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Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:25 PM

OK, is Bravo paying for the psychiatrist visits? It seems they are all whacked out!

I though the homoerotic spins were kind of interesting, Dale and Richard and then Spike with Mark, and Spike with Andrew. That Spike, he's quite the player.

Did everyone feel the tension with Jen and Zoi? And what rumors about them breaking up? Are you all holding out on me?

Antonia the Black Hammer is freaking hilarious! I didn't really realize she is the kiss of death until they put it all together.

And Lisa gets the verdict from the viewers. She is still in denial/

OK, I get Andrew now. I want to party with him!!!

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    gyozagirl RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:32 PM

    Watching now...

    I agree, how did the "rumors" of Jen and Zoi go completely unnoticed by us Chowhounds?!?! And, yeah, you could cut the awkwardness with a laaaaaarrrrge knife.

    I'm glad that Chef Tom is defending his critique of the decision to eliminate Dale, being a Dale fan myself.

    I think this reunion show is actually pretty good- lots of footage that's never been seen before, although I have to say it seems sort of boring/uncomfortable for the early exit chefs, that weren't really around for most of the stories.

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      Withnail42 RE: gyozagirl Jun 19, 2008 06:21 AM

      Perhaps Zoi got fed up with Jen's whole "I'm doing this for Zoi." thing.

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        ajs228 RE: gyozagirl Jun 19, 2008 10:11 AM

        Yeah, I don't think Jen's face could have gotten any redder. She was very uncomfortable.

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          bandmom RE: ajs228 Jun 19, 2008 05:57 PM

          I am watching the finale for the third time. I just caught Lisa's comment about being at a lesiban party. I have never once said "I was at a straight party....." I guess she was jealous of Zoi and Jen getting all of the attention.

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            goodhealthgourmet RE: bandmom Jun 19, 2008 06:43 PM

            yes, what WAS the purpose of that comment? it was in really bad taste. but then again, this IS lisa we're talking about...

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              Withnail42 RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 30, 2008 03:50 PM

              Was anyone really surprised that she was there?

      2. Phaedrus RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:37 PM

        Ah, the Culinary Boner T-shirt is now available. Must waste money....NOW!!!

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          Miss Needle RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:38 PM

          A much better T-shirt than last season's "Oh big time." Like what was that about?!?!?!?!

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            LindaWhit RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 05:51 AM

            I couldn't even remember what the T-shirt was from last season...it *should* have been "Even my monkey could make that!" ;-)

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              Miss Needle RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 10:28 AM

              I was waiting for that T-shirt! : )

        2. goodhealthgourmet RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:38 PM

          can't wait to talk about it when it's over...this is by far the most entertaining reunion show yet.

          but one question...where's nikki?

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            LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 18, 2008 07:41 PM

            Hmmm....I'm pretty sure I saw Nikki there....but maybe it was clips from the show. Will have to check out the group sitting there when they come back. We *know* Richard's not there, but I'll have to count to see if Nikki's there.

            Just saw Nikki - she's in yellow sitting behind Dale.

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              gyozagirl RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 18, 2008 07:41 PM

              I think Nikki is there, but on the end (possibly behind Dale?)... at least I thought I saw her flash by on the screen...

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                goodhealthgourmet RE: gyozagirl Jun 18, 2008 07:48 PM

                yep, finally just saw her. thx!

            2. LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:38 PM

              Antonia the Black Hammer was great! I hadn't figured it out that she was the Black Widow either.

              Yes, it seems pretty obvious that Jen and Zoi are on the outs. I hadn't heard any rumors, but perhaps they were more prevalent on "other" boards. :-)

              But this year's tee-shirt - Andrew's "I have a culinary boner" is right up there with Dave's "I'm not your bitch, bitch!" Classic!

              1. amethiste RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:39 PM

                "I have a culinary boner" was the favorite quote? ! thought it was "So you won the f!ckin' bronze medal. Congratulations". I think that would have made a great tee-shirt.

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                  LindaWhit RE: amethiste Jun 18, 2008 07:40 PM

                  Another good one!

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                    surfgirl458 RE: amethiste Jun 19, 2008 09:46 AM

                    I loved how Blaise's snotty Bronze medal remark came back to bite him after he placed 3rd in the finale BEHIND Lisa. Touche!

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                      LindaWhit RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 09:59 AM

                      Not sure that he did place third behind Lisa. It was never established who was 2nd. I think both Richard and Lisa had a dish that "won" the round.

                      Either way - with the overall number of QF and Elimination wins that Richard had, he was heads and tails better than Lisa. In a New York minute he's way better.

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                        surfgirl458 RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 10:49 AM

                        I had been rooting for Richard the whole season - I voted for him for Fan Favorite about 10 times & I absolutely think his culinary talent overall far exceeds Lisa's. But in Richard's own words, he "choked". According to the judges comments Stephanie clearly won the 1st & 3rd course, Lisa the 2nd & 4th. Richard started floundering during the Steak House challenge & lost his momentum. By the time he got to Puerto Rico he was a distracted mess & I started thinking hey, this guy's losing it & knew that he wasn't going to win.

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                          LindaWhit RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 10:54 AM

                          No, not according to the judges' comments. According to Lisa in the Stew Room, she won 2nd and 4th. See what others have written below - Lisa self-awarded herself the 2nd place trophy.

                          I don't discount that Richard knew he didn't perform up to his own high standards. But Lisa never did - and always blamed someone else for her own failings. Richard had the integrity to call himself out on his own failures. Lisa's incapable of doing that.

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                            Ruth Lafler RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 11:05 AM

                            The only person who said Lisa won the 2nd and 4th was Lisa, in the stew room. Looking back at the comments, I think it's quite possible that Richard won the dessert course. I'm not sure that Lisa won the second course, either. Gail loved the soup, but I saw other comments that implied the judges thought it wasn't very original.

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                              Icantread RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 20, 2008 12:55 PM

                              has anyone here tasted tom ka kai before btw? Seriously, that's one of my favorite dishes done right, but I just can't see how she could have made it so revolutionary.

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                                Ruth Lafler RE: Icantread Jun 20, 2008 01:31 PM

                                Well, she did add what she called a "soup dumpling" -- although it wasn't clear to me exactly what that was. It appeared to be a dumpling served in a Chinese soup spoon, but I don't know if it had soup in it, like a Shanghai soup dumpling, or if it was just a dumpling that went with the soup. I don't remember any of the judges commenting on it, only on the soup itself.

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                                  Phaedrus RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 20, 2008 01:38 PM

                                  It didn't look like a shanghai soup dumpling to me. It didn't have the characteristic shape, heft, or size.

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                                    LabRat RE: Phaedrus Jun 20, 2008 01:48 PM

                                    According to the recipe on Bravo, it contains soup gelled with agar agar, allowed to set, minced and mixed with a chicken preparation before being encased in the wonton wrappers and steamed.

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                                      Phaedrus RE: LabRat Jun 20, 2008 02:01 PM

                                      OK, the stuffing is correct, not sure about whether the agar agar is a shortcut, I was under the impression that they used a lot of fat in the stuffing to create the soup. They certainly don't use wonton skin, but I can buy that for a shortcut, it wouldn't taste the same or have the same texture though. The dumpling that I saw looked a bit skimpy.

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                                        Ruth Lafler RE: Phaedrus Jun 20, 2008 03:01 PM

                                        Only if you're comparing it to an Americanized a la Shanghai Joe in NYC soup dumpling. Authentic soup dumplings are small enough to pop in your mouth (although you risk scalding your mouth if you don't hit just the right moment).

                                        Still, I don't remember any of the judges, either at the dining table or at judges table mentioning the dumpling at all, let alone whether it was good or bad.

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                                          Phaedrus RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 20, 2008 03:08 PM

                                          Well, there is soup dumpling: tong bao, that literally translates to soup dumpling. Which is very large and sits in its own steamer. The skin is cut open and the soup inside is slurped down with a spoon or a straw. Then there is shiao lun bao, which is the shanghaiese specialty, its smaller and is as Ruth described, filled with scalding hot soup and it fits into ones mouth easily, until you bite into it, that's when the mixture of pain and pleasure overtakes the senses. The supposed soup dumpling that Lisa made looked like jiao tze, or a steamed version of the pot sticker, which is the Americanize version.

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                                            Ruth Lafler RE: Phaedrus Jun 20, 2008 04:07 PM

                                            Ah yes. I guess I was just assuming she was going for the Shanghai version, since it was sitting in a spoon -- I just looked at the picture on the Bravo site and that's what it looks like to me.

                                            I wonder if another problem they had with the dish was that it wasn't really a "fowl" dish, in that the chicken components were not really the center of the dish. Unlike other finales where they were just told to make a multicourse dinner, this time they were told they had to have a fish course, a fowl course, a meat course and dessert. In theory she met the requirement, but I wouldn't really consider what she made a fowl course. I'm thinking that she went into the finale with a menu planned, and then tweaked it to fit the requirements of the challenge. Thus her comment about how she just got this idea to make a soup dumpling. According to the recipe, the soup itself didn't have any chicken meat in it, just chicken stock, so I don't think it would have counted as a fowl course on its own.

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                                              Phaedrus RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 20, 2008 05:17 PM

                                              Interesting. I hadn't thought about it like that, but it could very well be.

                                              So, as Stephanie was traveling about the world learning, Richard is trying to open a restaurant while Lisa is working some and plotting her coup, planning her "generic" menu and recipes. Pretty smart strategy, and she almost pulled it off, considering how far back she was from the others. I guess the true genius comes through and you can't just follow a structure and tweak the details.

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                                                LindaWhit RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 21, 2008 06:43 AM

                                                Interesting on the fowl course, Ruth - I had forgotten about that aspect of the final challenge! So yet again, she skirts the issue and barely made something that complied with what she was supposed to do. Barely.

                                                First the Polish sausage; then this. And she calls out Andrew on not using a grain? :::::shaking my head:::::

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                                                  Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Jun 21, 2008 03:56 PM

                                                  Yeah, her pointing fingers at Andrew was ridiculous. She said "people have been sent home" for not following the rules, when in fact, neither she nor her partner was sent home for that dish. She was aggrieved that she was in the bottom group for that dish, but that isn't the same as being sent home. But then, the world Lisa inhabits has very little relation to the world the rest of us live in.

                                                  As I said, the show was edited so that we only heard the good things about her dishes. They needed to make it look close so there was some suspense, but the didn't want to give up the "Richard choked" story line, so they edited it to appear that it was between Steph and Lisa, when from all accounts (except Lisa's, see "Lisa world" above) Lisa really didn't do that well.

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                                                    Caitlin McGrath RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 21, 2008 05:59 PM

                                                    At least, to Lisa's credit (ouch, did I just write that? [g]), during the reunion she admitted how ridiculous it was for her to have called Andrew out on the whole grain issue, though I do wish Andy Cohen had brought up her "Polish sausage" fish dish when he asked her about it!

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                                dave_c RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 01:54 PM

                                Richard won the Finale Pt 1 and the Toyota Corolla.

                                What was interesting about the reunion show is that Lisa implied that only Stephanie deserved to win over her.... Richard below Lisa. Only in Lisa's mind.

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                              Phaedrus RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 10:05 AM

                              Lisa? Is that you? Why the scowl?

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                                Ruth Lafler RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 10:22 AM

                                According to Tom, Richard was a close second behind Stephanie, and Lisa was a distant third. It was edited to make it seem closer than it was.

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                                  LindaWhit RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 19, 2008 10:26 AM

                                  Chef Tom did say that?

                                  I thought I had read that Ted Allen said it on another blog's message board, but someone pointed out that the way the blog was set up to have the writer's name at the top of the next person's post, it wasn't...it was the following poster.

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                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 12:32 PM

                                    ted allen said it in a blog post [not the same post as the one that was erroneously attributed to him], and tom said it in an interview.

                                    interesting how tom makes no secret of his obvious disdain for lisa.

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                                      LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 01:17 PM

                                      OK, then I *did* read it. I thought I had. But then I thought the brain cells were dying off faster than usual. :-)

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                                  jbw RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 10:28 AM

                                  If you read the judge's blogs (particularly Ted's) I think you'll see that Richard was clearly second in most of their minds. Lisa seemed to have appointed herself the silver medal winner.

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                                    Withnail42 RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 02:27 PM

                                    According to Lisa she was second and a very close one.

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                                      Icantread RE: Withnail42 Jun 20, 2008 01:05 PM

                                      Only because she can't say she won the whole thing. Feel for her though, seems like there's a lot of insecurity being magnified for the whole world to nitpick at.

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                                        Phaedrus RE: Icantread Jun 20, 2008 01:44 PM

                                        Even though all the contestants professed to be completely shocked at their experience, i.e. they had no idea how difficult and demanding the experience was going to be, I could safely say that most of them had a modicum of idea about reality shows in general, well maybe not Andrew. So I don't feel that bad for Lisa, even though she did expose more of her insecurities in a very public manner because she made the choice to be front and center. Of course that is taking responsibilities for her actions, which is an ability that she is definitely missing.

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                                      ChefJune RE: surfgirl458 Jun 19, 2008 05:38 PM

                                      <I loved how Blaise's snotty Bronze medal remark came back to bite him after he placed 3rd in the finale BEHIND Lisa. Touche!>

                                      If you read the judges' blogs, you will see that isn't the case. Technically, there is only TOP CHEF, but they did say that Richard was second. all of them.

                                  2. Phaedrus RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:47 PM

                                    OK, all the potty mouth stuff is hilarious. And Tom is wagging his finger at them.

                                    Forgot about Ryan's diarrhea mouth.

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                                      amethiste RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:50 PM

                                      Actually I think that a potty mouth is a requirement to be a chef.

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                                        Phaedrus RE: amethiste Jun 18, 2008 07:52 PM

                                        Is that a requirement? I can cuss like a marine but I can't cook like these people.

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                                          amethiste RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:57 PM

                                          Touche. I should have said one of the requirements

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                                            Jeserf RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 11:42 AM

                                            Hey watch it! My Marine doesn't curse. Ever.

                                            I, on the other hand, so aaallll day, and I'm the chef of the family.

                                            :)

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                                          HarryK RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:25 PM

                                          I like Tom, but he really does become more of a stick in the mud every year. Really. Now he hates microgreens. He's always hated anything called something that isn't purely "that" something ... for instance his freak out last year on Casey when she made coq au vin with chicken. Duh, Tom! She happened to have a 10 year rooster nearby for authenticity? But her calling it that while using chicken instead of being duh obvious it made Tom go nutzo and he couldn't let it go

                                          This year -- besides hating microgreens in plating -- he admits while he used to curse as a younger chef, now he doesn't and because he doesn't now he feels the other young chefs shouldn't. Really, each year the stick up his butt goes deeper and deeper. I can see a point where I'm not going to like Tom if he doesn't loosen up.

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                                            LindaWhit RE: HarryK Jun 19, 2008 05:52 AM

                                            I think Tom was referring to the actual interviews, where most of the swearing seemed to be on camera. His comment "is that the way you want to be known in the public?" is a valid one, IMO. Swear all you want in the kitchen - but on camera in confessional interviews? Kinda dumb on their parts.

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                                              Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 05:59 AM

                                              And Dale was pretty succinct about why too. Look at how whacked out they were acting in the Judgement room and how all of them still had nightmares, the show definitely puts a strain on people's psyche with the sleep deprivation, stress, and alcohol. Not to mention being away from friends and families for an extended period of time. The confessional is their way of release, to self censor during confessional time is asking a lot. And I am sure none of them thought about that when they were in the midst of this Death March to Puerto Rico.

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                                                LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:05 AM

                                                I have to say seeing how crazy it gets in the Stew Room while JT is going on was pretty funny. And even BETTER was seeing Gail asleep on the table! (I do remember her mentioning it in her blog about the finale, but to see it was priceless!)

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                                                  ajs228 RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 10:18 AM

                                                  I couldn't imagine just sitting in that room for 6-8 hours every time. I would flip out. Even it if it wasn't that long for every elimination, that's a lot of stewing.

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                                                    HarryK RE: ajs228 Jun 19, 2008 04:21 PM

                                                    And notice they have only wooden or metal folding chairs.

                                                    There's been a lot of talk everywhere in recent months about the psychology and "mental torture" of reality show contestants and reality shows. The lack of sleep etc.

                                                    They talked about (and we have too) about the weird dreams. Add such things as wooden folding chairs for six hours after cooking a meal all night.

                                                    And then Tom wants them to stop cursing in the confessional, the one place they see as an outlet? Maybe Tom or the producers had better start talking to psychatrists about what the contestants are going through and make some changes.

                                                    (Oh wait Tom would never think of that, he'd rather just give his well-intended but barely thought out shoot-from-the-hip advice instead to not curse.)

                                          2. amethiste RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:51 PM

                                            A Top Chef onesie. Sooooooo very cute :-)

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                                              LindaWhit RE: amethiste Jun 18, 2008 07:55 PM

                                              OMG, that onesie is TOO cute!

                                              And I was thinking about Lisa - reading/hearing her interviews after her loss, and seeing her tonight - she just. doesn't. get. it. She's still in denial that she was partly the cause of any of the issues that came up. Amazing.

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                                                mark RE: amethiste Jun 19, 2008 10:22 AM

                                                although they really should have put the "boner" quote on it, too.

                                              2. Phaedrus RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:57 PM

                                                Drum roll please...................

                                                And the Fan's Favorite is....

                                                Stephanie!!!!

                                                Kind of anti-climactic.

                                                1. LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 07:57 PM

                                                  And Tom JABS Lisa re: fan favorite! Wonder if she "gets it" now?

                                                  Woo hoo! Stephanie got fan fave!

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                                                    amethiste RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:01 PM

                                                    Yay Stephanie! Yeah, although it was obvious, I did not expect Tom to say that.

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                                                      Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:02 PM

                                                      Nah. If she doesn't get it after all that, a little blurb like that won't do it.

                                                      Hey where is that bit where Dale said he didn't want to talk about it, what didn't he want to talk about?

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                                                        LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:05 PM

                                                        Wasn't it Zoi who said they weren't going to talk about it (i.e., the breakup with Jen?)? Or was this something in the commercial for the show that Dale said that wasn't shown?

                                                        Wait - maybe it was Dale saying he didn't want to talk about Richard talking about his nipples? That's coming up....

                                                        Oh - and in watching the beginning of the show again, I just want to go on record that I *love* Tom Colicchio's laugh when he's got a good laugh going. :-)

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                                                          Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:09 PM

                                                          It was in the commercial.

                                                          Another t-shirt worthy quote:" I'm not gay but I would let him bang me." Spike referring to Andrew.

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                                                            LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:16 PM

                                                            Yes, hearing that on the repeat made me laugh again. And I guess all the cheftestants hadn't heard that before, as they all broke up as well!

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                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 09:37 AM

                                                              He said it in an interview, so no one would have heard it unless they aired it. I'm just dying to know what question they asked to get that response! (And I'm sure the producers have just made the question mandatory for every interview session.)

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                                                              goodhealthgourmet RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:32 PM

                                                              i absolutely howled at that one. hearing it so early in the show & realizing that they weren't really going to censor anything was a good indicator that this was going to be a lot of fun to watch.

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                                                              shallots RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:30 PM

                                                              Zoi and Jen were jointly asked if the buzz on the internet was true, that they had broken up. Hemming and hawing followed. Zoi then said they weren't going to talk about their personal life...worded it slightly differently. There was no undertone of affection.

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                                                                littleneck RE: shallots Jun 19, 2008 10:06 AM

                                                                Though my sister works at a Boston restaurant (that shall go unnamed, but is a favorite on here) and Jenn and Zoi came in together two nights in a row last week. So it sounds like maybe they have gotten over the bumps.

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                                                                  Ericandblueboy RE: littleneck Jun 19, 2008 01:03 PM

                                                                  they went to eat at the same restaurant two nights in a row? why?

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                                                                    littleneck RE: Ericandblueboy Jun 19, 2008 01:59 PM

                                                                    She said they loved it and were raving about it the first night, so they went back...

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                                                                    LindaWhit RE: littleneck Jun 19, 2008 01:18 PM

                                                                    Jen and Zoi were "working" together doing a demo at Macy's IIRC. So perhaps Bravo's rules were that they were required to appear as if they were together until after this reunion show.

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                                                                      littleneck RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 02:01 PM

                                                                      Interesting. I wonder if Bravo would care about that...the first I heard of the rumors was last night on the show, and my sister had mentioned that they were in last week, so I figured it must not be true...but I clearly have way too much faith in the "reality" that is reality television, of course the producers might interfere!

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                                                                        LindaWhit RE: littleneck Jun 19, 2008 02:06 PM

                                                                        My understanding is that the contract is quite strict until the show is completely done airing. They (Bravo) don't want anything getting out about the show if they can help it. Supposedly it was already known that Ilan was going to win in Season 2 (although I had never heard/read that).

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                                                                          Miss Needle RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 02:13 PM

                                                                          Ilan implied that he won on his myspace page. Under income, he wrote $100,000. And his song that was associated with his page had to do with something about winning some money or something like that. Legally, he probably didn't break the rules. But I'm sure Bravo wasn't too happy with his behavior.

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                                                                            Withnail42 RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 02:30 PM

                                                                            He also quit his job right before the final.

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                                                                              LindaWhit RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 03:11 PM

                                                                              Ahhhh, that's right. Typical of Ilan. And I'm sure Bravo tightened up the contract rules after that one.

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                                                                                kenito799 RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 09:04 PM

                                                                                I believe that Food & Wine magazine also accidentally revealed that Ilan won on their website before the finale aired, by publishing a profile of him. They tried to cover by publishing a profile of Marcel afterwards, but people had already figured it out. Bravo tries to prevent these reveals from happening by contracting anyone who might know to a $1 million fine for any leaks of "what happens"

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                                                                                  Scortch RE: kenito799 Jun 20, 2008 11:31 AM

                                                                                  A million bucks? Where did you get that figure from? Seems likely an oddly Pyhrric effort to resort to.

                                                                                  I doubt if they could ever collect that amount from most of the cheftestants...

                                                                                  Mama always said, sue the people who HAVE the money.

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                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: Scortch Jun 20, 2008 01:35 PM

                                                                                    The point is to make the amount so high as to be a disincentive, so that you never have to sue anyone. It's a standard competitive reality show contract clause and applies to everyone working on the show, not just the contestants.

                                                                                    Although I'm sure no one cares that much about Top Chef, people could sell the results of a show like Survivor (and I think the penalty for violating that clause is higher for Survivor) to the tabloids for big bucks if that contract clause didn't make it unprofitable to do so.

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                                                                                      Scortch RE: Ruth Lafler Jun 21, 2008 09:16 AM

                                                                                      Ya got me.

                                                                                      I hadn't thought about the big bucks to be made by SELLING the results. See? That's why I suck as a successful capitalist!

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                                                                                      soupkitten RE: Scortch Jun 21, 2008 10:03 AM

                                                                                      "a million bucks"--it's on all the contracts and application forms for the show. anyone can go download one off of the bravo site.

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                                                                                    angelofvic RE: Miss Needle Jun 22, 2008 02:34 AM

                                                                                    Ilan actually stated his income as $150,000 on his MySpace the week before the S2 finale aired, and he put "We're in the Money" as the song on his MySpace at the same time.

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                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:40 PM

                                                                          "I *love* Tom Colicchio's laugh when he's got a good laugh going"
                                                                          ~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                          between the laugh and the shaved head, i'm beginning to wonder if he & michael symon are related...

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                                                                        shallots RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:05 PM

                                                                        Tom came across as tacky with that last Lisa jab.

                                                                        The nightmare stories were interesting....and answer the question how bad an experience has to be for the mares to start quickly. I wish they'd asked if anyone didn't have nightmares...they might have been the carriers.

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                                                                          AlenaD RE: shallots Jun 30, 2008 01:10 PM

                                                                          About the nightmares, it's not due to it being a bad experience, it's more about how stressful it is. I also found it very interesting because I can totally relate.

                                                                          Stress nightmares like that are fairly common amongst restaurant staff.. I have them and my coworkers also have them. Being a server, mine usually revolve around not being able to get to a table and I know they're sitting there for way too long, or not being able to find a computer to enter an order, that sort of thing.

                                                                          I did have a Top Chef one once, it was kind of fun because I was in the competition and it was such a surprise, but it was really stressful at the end because I'd forgotten a few things and was running around trying to put out all sorts of fires. :)

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                                                                        smtucker RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:02 PM

                                                                        What a nice reunion show. I don't feel like I just spent an hour that I can't get back. Some really nice moments, moments that gave us insights into the people we have been watching.

                                                                        If my kid wasn't 22 yrs old, I would be buying a onesie.

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                                                                          Phaedrus RE: smtucker Jun 18, 2008 08:04 PM

                                                                          Buy it for the grand kid....save it for a few years.

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                                                                            smtucker RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:16 PM

                                                                            :: slap upside the head:: Way too young for babies.

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                                                                              Phaedrus RE: smtucker Jun 19, 2008 05:10 AM

                                                                              I said save it for a few years... Like 10.

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                                                                            kenito799 RE: smtucker Jun 19, 2008 06:05 AM

                                                                            I agree, this was by far the best reunion show yet, we got to see so much more personality and interaction between the cheftestants than during the season. I loves Richard's nipple-crush on Dale.

                                                                            I think this show really underscores that there were a lot of poor decisions made with the editing this season. For instance, they were determined to make Lisa a one-dimensional bitch, when she actually said many complementary things about people, such as her description of Andrew. There was so little coverage of interactions between people (other than Jen and Zoi, which never amounted to anything). The reunion show, for once, did a great job of filling in a lot of blanks. The Antonia-Black Hammer thing was awesome.

                                                                          3. Miss Needle RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:20 PM

                                                                            Ok. Now what's the answer to the teaser that Bravo's been broadcasting in their previews about Dale vehemently saying he refused to talk about that subject. I do flip through other channels during commercials. Did I miss it?

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                                                                              LindaWhit RE: Miss Needle Jun 18, 2008 08:23 PM

                                                                              No, Phaedrus remembers it too (I vaguely do) but I guess they cut that out. Perhaps commercial editors are different than show editors and they didn't confer. :-)

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                                                                                Miss Needle RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:27 PM

                                                                                Sounds like they're following the example of Hell's Kitchen editors. ; )

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                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Jun 18, 2008 08:39 PM

                                                                                  i was waiting for it the entire time, but it never aired. clearly they hadn't finished editing the show when they put the promo together. wouldn't be the first time.

                                                                                  did we ever find out why padma "was shocked?" i missed a few minutes. damn laundry :)

                                                                                  btw, i was happy to see that blais was as classy and funny as ever...and that tom reiterated his belief that, based on what he saw, he doesn't think dale deserved to go home.

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                                                                                    Phaedrus RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 05:11 AM

                                                                                    Thank goodness for you all, I thought I was hallucinating. Maybe they should poll us to see if WE have TC nightmares too.

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                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:15 AM

                                                                                      don't laugh - i've had them! no joke, i've actually had nightmares about being on TC...things go wrong in the kitchen & i have to defend myself at JT. i've never seen other contestants in my dreams, it's always just me standing there, terrified...but i won't be surprised if, at some point, all of you show up. miss needle will be standing there with a rolling pin, waiting to throw me under the bus ;)

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                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 06:18 AM

                                                                                        No, no, no - it's OVER the bus, ghg, per Joey. OVER the bus. Miss Needle is very strong, you know. :-)

                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                          Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 06:21 AM

                                                                                          And Linda in her Grand Inquisitor robe passing judgment on everyone.

                                                                                          Um, I need to change underwear now.....

                                                                                          Seriously, my worst nightmare would involve Howie, Joey, Stephen, Tiffani, Ilan, Lisa and Marcel.

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                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:24 AM

                                                                                            linda as colicchio...no, make that linda as bourdain.

                                                                                            love it :)

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                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 07:25 AM

                                                                                              I could in no way, shape or form, be able to snark as well as Anthony Bourdain, and bow to the master.

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                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 07:24 AM

                                                                                              Hey! :-( I don't pass judgement on everyone. Just on those I don't like. ;-)

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                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 12:35 PM

                                                                                                in the words of the brilliant bill maher....i say it with love :)

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                                                                                                  Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 12:41 PM

                                                                                                  Linda, that's why we get along. ;P

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                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 01:21 PM

                                                                                                    LOL! That whole GMTA thing, eh?

                                                                                                    And for the record, I *do* know how to spell "judgment" (my mother and two grandmothers would kill me for the additional vowel in that word above!).

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                                                                                    HarryK RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:31 PM

                                                                                    Nothing against Steph. She's awesome. Just I have major issues with the concept.

                                                                                    If you're Top Chef you should be excluded from Fan Favorite.

                                                                                    Did Miss America ever win Miss Congeniality too? Hell no! You can't have both. It let's someone else have a consolation prize. So to the Magical Elf producers ... boo!

                                                                                    Again, Stephanie is cool. Giving someone two prizes is like tossing salt in the wounds of the other 15 people, IMHO. And real cool when Steph got it saying dinner's on her. Class!

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                                                                                      HarryK RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:45 PM

                                                                                      Half-joking, half-serious question:

                                                                                      So what does everyone talk about between Top Chef seasons? :-)

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                                                                                        Miss Needle RE: HarryK Jun 18, 2008 08:49 PM

                                                                                        Oh man. I don't know what I'm going to do. I thought that Bravo usually alternates between Project Runway and Top Chef on Wednesdays. But when I saw the commercial for Shear Genius airing next Wednesday, I realized that I would have to wait for the whole Shear Genius then Project Runway to run its course before I'd get to see Top Chef again. Oh well, maybe I'll turn into one of those Top Chef stalkers when they film in NY to get my fix. : )

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                                                                                          kenito799 RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 05:59 AM

                                                                                          This year it looks like PR and Shear Genius will overlap--that's a good thing IMO.

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                                                                                            Miss Needle RE: kenito799 Jun 19, 2008 10:33 AM

                                                                                            Project Runway usually has its finale at NY Fashion Week, which will be in the spring (I don't think they'll make the September one). So it may mean we won't be watching Top Chef until -- gasp! -- Feb or March?!?!?!?!

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                                                                                              DanaB RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 02:30 PM

                                                                                              They are definitely airing a season of Project Runway this summer. There was a big to-do about it a few weeks ago, as Project Runway is leaving Bravo for another cable channel, but they had one last season under contract to Bravo, so they are running it soon.

                                                                                              Just checked the webpage, and it starts airing July 16th.

                                                                                              http://www.bravotv.com/Project_Runway...

                                                                                              Here's an article about Project Runway leaving for Lifetime, where season 6 was supposed to start airing this fall:

                                                                                              http://www.multichannel.com/article/C...

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                                                                                                Miss Needle RE: DanaB Jun 19, 2008 02:36 PM

                                                                                                Thanks! Oooh, perhaps that means Top Chef Season 5 in October or so.

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                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 03:12 PM

                                                                                                  That's what I was thinking - I knew I had seen commercials for PR starting in the summer. So hopefully TC5 will be taped this summer and air in the fall.

                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                    Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 03:16 PM

                                                                                                    What a putz. I watched the Tramonto episode again and looked at his comments. Ilan seemed like a little boy sitting at the grownup table and trying to be taken seriously. The more he tried the less gravitas he exhibited.

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                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 03:20 PM

                                                                                                      OK, Phaedrus - I'm confused. Who are you responding to? And who about? Your response to me doesn't seem to tie into this part of the thread.

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                                                                                                        Phaedrus RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 06:33 PM

                                                                                                        Sorry Linda, I was responding to someone up stream talking about Ilan and his MySpace page and how he revealed that he won on it. I must have hit the wrong reply button. Sorry about the confusion.

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                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 06:19 AM

                                                                                            "maybe I'll turn into one of those Top Chef stalkers when they film in NY to get my fix."
                                                                                            ~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                            i'm with you. i've never even seen project runway, so i've got nothing until TC 5. let's recruit some other NYC hounds, and we can split the responsibilities - stake out chelsea market, the union square greenmarket, fairway, gourmet garage...and of course all the WFM locations ;)

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                                                                                              Phaedrus RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 06:26 AM

                                                                                              Don't forget to keep us all posted, unless of course you get arrested for stalking. We will disavow any and all knowledge of your existence.

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                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:29 AM

                                                                                                hey, the good news is that none of you know what i look like so you can't pick me out of a lineup ;)

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                                                                                                Miss Needle RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 10:35 AM

                                                                                                Ha ha. Actually, I've seen PR contestants in my building. So my biggest wish is for them to tape Top Chef here! I highly doubt it, though. I think TC contestants will be placed in an apartment near the kitchens.

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                                                                                                  shallots RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 10:51 AM

                                                                                                  Miss Needle,
                                                                                                  Do you see the PR contestants before or after they are aufed?
                                                                                                  On some PR interview, there was a comment that we never saw the long ride they took to Parsons.
                                                                                                  Are you seeing PR people now? I think they are shooting and maybe have been for two weeks.
                                                                                                  Maybe TC can move in when they leave....the sooner the next TC, the better.

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                                                                                                    Miss Needle RE: shallots Jun 19, 2008 10:52 AM

                                                                                                    I can't say. I see these contestants before the show ever airs.

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                                                                                                      Miss Needle RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 02:16 PM

                                                                                                      And I haven't seen any PR people now. The last contestant I saw was Jeffrey from Season 3. They changed locations for Season 4, and I'm assuming for Season 5.

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                                                                                                chicgail RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 10:58 AM

                                                                                                Project Runway is watchable. Some of the contestants have been really talented.

                                                                                                Shear Genius is colossally stupid (Jacqueline Smith hosting?) but the worst of all was the interior design show (I have blessedly forgotten the name of it). I couldn't watch more than an episode or two of either one of them, but I was just plan embarrassed for everyone associated with the decorator show.

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                                                                                                  Phaedrus RE: chicgail Jun 19, 2008 11:05 AM

                                                                                                  Ditto on the interior design show. Colossal waste of time. Jaclyn Smith would be the ONLY reason I watch Shear Genius. (Sorry, I grew up during the Charlie's Angel's days).

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                                                                                                    Withnail42 RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 02:34 PM

                                                                                                    No need to apologize she has me watching as well.

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                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: chicgail Jun 19, 2008 01:25 PM

                                                                                                    Agree - I really like PR, but like TC, some of the outfits/dishes are WAY out there. "Fierce" Christian Siriano seems to have had more than his 15 minutes of fame - moreso than other PR winners. I guess he designed Whoopi Goldberg's outfit (first one?) for the Tony Awards last weekend.

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                                                                                                      Miss Needle RE: chicgail Jun 19, 2008 02:17 PM

                                                                                                      PR and TC are produced by the same people. Not sure who does Shear Genius. But that stupid interior design show was definitely produced by somebody else. See you later alligator?!?!?!?!?!!! Worst catchphrase of the century.

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                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 03:16 PM

                                                                                                        Actually, it was "See you later, decorator"! In addition to being stupid and lame, it was flippant and rude.

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                                                                                                          momjamin RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 03:17 PM

                                                                                                          "See you later decorator," on Top Design, and IIRC, they asked the bravotv.com readers for suggestions on the "auf" line. Poor Jonathan Adler looked totally embarrassed every time he had to say it.

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                                                                                                            Miss Needle RE: Miss Needle Jun 19, 2008 03:31 PM

                                                                                                            You're right. I forgot about that -- see you later, decorator. I shuddered every time Adler had to say that.

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                                                                                                            rcon RE: chicgail Jun 20, 2008 02:08 PM

                                                                                                            no, no, no....the worst is "make me a Super model"
                                                                                                            No talent required other than looking vacuous.
                                                                                                            It bordered on pornography....the icky kind that makes your skin crawl...and yet I couldn't turn away

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                                                                                                          Phaedrus RE: HarryK Jun 19, 2008 05:13 AM

                                                                                                          Yeah the Shear Genius show just doesn't do it for me. TC is the favorite and Project Runway is mostly interesting, but the Dance Show and the hair show are non-starters.

                                                                                                          Maybe I can go back to do my job now!!!!!

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                                                                                                            AMFM RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 07:30 PM

                                                                                                            i'm a loser and i liked the dance show too! but just that and PR and TC. really. :) not the haircut thing or the other.

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                                                                                                          shallots RE: Phaedrus Jun 18, 2008 08:49 PM

                                                                                                          Does anyone have any idea why Andy Cohen refered to Richard Blais as "our Willie Wonka"?
                                                                                                          I doubt that AC had read the books by Roald Dahl.

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                                                                                                            mariannas RE: shallots Jun 18, 2008 11:29 PM

                                                                                                            I don't think one needs to have read the Dahl books to know who Willy Wonka is...

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                                                                                                              nursratched RE: shallots Jun 18, 2008 11:29 PM

                                                                                                              I think it's just that he's inventive and unusual, like Willie Wonka's chewing gum that was a several course meal and dessert. Plus he made up creative names for
                                                                                                              everything. But they never said that in any show or anything. It was almost like an inside joke. Sound good?

                                                                                                              I also noticed the teasers on the commercials getting edited out of the final product too - the Dale comment and Padma too. What the hell?

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                                                                                                                attractivekid RE: shallots Jun 19, 2008 12:31 AM

                                                                                                                movie challenge, Richard choose Willy Wonka as his movie to do his smoked salmon, faux caviar, white chocolate wasabi sauce

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                                                                                                                  momjamin RE: attractivekid Jun 19, 2008 05:43 AM

                                                                                                                  Yes, and Richard immediately chose Willy Wonka as soon as they got the challenge, saying it was his inspiration.

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                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: shallots Jun 19, 2008 06:20 AM

                                                                                                                  does AC = andy cohen? why do you *doubt* that he's read them?

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                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 06:22 AM

                                                                                                                    I didn't understand that comment either. (And yes - I think shallots means AC is Andy Cohen.)

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                                                                                                                      shallots RE: LindaWhit Jun 19, 2008 06:45 AM

                                                                                                                      I had typed out Andy Cohen in the previous sentence.
                                                                                                                      And I had forgotten the Wonka was Richard's choice in the movie inspiration, it didn't seem that important. I could only remember the recent (homage to Michael Jackson?) Depp interpretation which caused me to get the original books out of the library.
                                                                                                                      Andy Cohen kept calling Richard that, as if it was the key to who Richard is.....and that's just wrong.

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                                                                                                                        HarryK RE: shallots Jun 19, 2008 08:08 AM

                                                                                                                        I know he wanted that "food" connection with the Wanka remark, but I think "McGuyver" would have been a better one.

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                                                                                                                          DanaB RE: shallots Jun 19, 2008 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                          I think Willy Wonka was a perfectly apt comparison for Richard, who was very creative and always playing with his gizmos and toys in the kitchen to come up with playful food presentations. Worked for me.

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                                                                                                                            Scortch RE: DanaB Jun 20, 2008 11:34 AM

                                                                                                                            Yes, the popular image of Wonka at least. Hardly the actual Dahl character as written.

                                                                                                                            If you can describe Richard, though, you'd do worse than "pure imagination"....

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                                                                                                                    newhavener07 RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                    I don't know about anyone else, but I felt quite sad and guilty seeing Andrew in the reunion show--all that speculation about his mental state/drug use seems to have really done some damage. He seemed quite sad and reserved somehow. From now on, I'm going to go easy on those types of comments--it's easy to forget that these are real people who haven't developed the teflon of celebrities.

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                                                                                                                      Phaedrus RE: newhavener07 Jun 19, 2008 06:24 AM

                                                                                                                      Did anyone else notice that when Andy Cohen asked how many of them had watched the previous TC seasons, Andrew was conspicuous by not raising his hand.

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                                                                                                                        newhavener07 RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:33 AM

                                                                                                                        He seemed really down. Perhaps he was mourning the breakup of Jen and Zoi...

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                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:34 AM

                                                                                                                          i did notice that - how could you not? i was thinking that it was a stupid move on his part not to have any idea of what he was getting himself into. of course, he was booted after the healthy lunch challenge partly for not following the rules, and claimed he had lost his rule sheet. had he ever seen the show before & understood how important it was to follow SOP [and had some understanding of the typical nature of the challenges], he might not have been the one to go home that day...and the next likely candidate was lisa!

                                                                                                                          then again, andrew just wouldn't be andrew if he was the type of guy to watch the show. i don't imagine he has the patience to watch TV, period. the man cannot sit still.

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                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                            Did you see the constantly twitching legs on Andrew when they showed the couchful of cheftestants?

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                                                                                                                            attractivekid RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:56 AM

                                                                                                                            Andrew said in a previous interview that he doesn't even own a tv, which is not uncommon for people living/working in New York. This season he went to Spike's apartment to catch up on the episodes.

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                                                                                                                            ChefJune RE: newhavener07 Jun 19, 2008 06:50 AM

                                                                                                                            <it's easy to forget that these are real people who haven't developed the teflon of celebrities.>

                                                                                                                            Many celebrities never develop "teflon" as you call it, either!

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                                                                                                                              momjamin RE: newhavener07 Jun 19, 2008 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                              I was struck by how he was so excited that he and Spike connected -- "he gets me" -- I was thinking that Andrew probably rarely meets people who "get" him. He certainly grew on me as a viewer after many many episodes, but he was rather off-putting at first.

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                                                                                                                                AMFM RE: newhavener07 Jun 19, 2008 07:31 PM

                                                                                                                                I thought Dale seemed really sad as well. i missed the first few minutes but we just seemed down - and kind of ticked off but more at himself than anyone else. interesting.

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                                                                                                                                  kenito799 RE: AMFM Jun 19, 2008 09:13 PM

                                                                                                                                  Dale's so cute. I was glad to hear that Richard appreciated him (and his nipples). Not so sure that Andrew and Spike are 100% straight enough to preclude some of that "bangin'"

                                                                                                                              2. Withnail42 RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:24 AM

                                                                                                                                Best line of the night belonged to Andrew when asked about ADD. His response..."I don't get it. I haven't played Advanced Dungeons and Dragons in years."

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                                                                                                                                  Phaedrus RE: Withnail42 Jun 19, 2008 06:34 AM

                                                                                                                                  Yes, that was a ROFLMAO moment.

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                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 06:39 AM

                                                                                                                                    andrew's clearly just an entertaining guy in general. he had the culinary boner line that made it onto the t-shirts, and the two lines that had me laughing the hardest at the reunion show.

                                                                                                                                    forget hiding out in the kitchen at a restaurant somewhere...let's all petition to make andrew TNFNS so he can cook and perform all his antics on TV!

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                                                                                                                                      Phaedrus RE: goodhealthgourmet Jun 19, 2008 06:43 AM

                                                                                                                                      The sad part is that his quirkiness would be lost on the TNFNS rigid judging panel; his eccentricity would not stand out in that car wreck; he would, however, be the best chef there.

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                                                                                                                                        Withnail42 RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 07:14 AM

                                                                                                                                        As the best chef of TNFNS he would be the first to go. But if he couldn't cook and acted the same he'd be kept around.

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                                                                                                                                          HarryK RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 08:12 AM

                                                                                                                                          I brought up Tom and the phrase "stick up the butt" and now you say judging panel and their rigidity. I dunno, I think they need a fifith judge to round them off. Someone like Robin Williams or Gallagher. :-P

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                                                                                                                                            Phaedrus RE: HarryK Jun 19, 2008 08:17 AM

                                                                                                                                            Heh heh. I'd like to see Gallagher Sledge-o-matic a few of the TNFNS contestants.

                                                                                                                                            And Robin Williams would add to the chaos, supplanting embarrassed silences with humor.

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                                                                                                                                      BaseballNut RE: Withnail42 Jun 19, 2008 07:51 AM

                                                                                                                                      Sorry, I'm a lurker. Been watching TC all season, and following along with this board as well. Thing is, I don't usually get to the board until the weekend, and by that point, any comment I might have is fairly irrelevant or has already been said. So, in many of your eyes, I may not have earned my stripes to even make a comment at this point...but, (doing my best Lisa impersonation) Whatever...

                                                                                                                                      Anyway, I agree with some of the above posts regarding Andrew. I hated him at the beginning of the show. Potty mouth was all I could think of. As the season wore on, he grew on me. Lots of energy, and genuinely funny. As a sports guy (and Bears fan), I thought the "cooking is my sport" at the tailgating EC was a funny comment, as I just don't understand how a guy doesn't like sports. BUT, the ADD joke last night wasn't really that funny. Far too much time for rehearsal. In fact, I'm positive it's not the 1st (or 10th) time he's used it. Funny line, just not close to the best line of the night. Just my $0.02 worth...

                                                                                                                                    3. LindaWhit RE: Phaedrus Jun 19, 2008 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                                      There's a blog up from the Team Top Chef "superfan" that has Andrew's "best moments" montage. http://www.bravotv.com/Top_Chef/seaso...

                                                                                                                                      I'm also finally getting to read Chef Colicchio's take on the finale - forgot to look last week: http://www.bravotv.com/Top_Chef/seaso... Interesting that he reviewed Lisa's food first - placing her in third place?

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