What Was The First Wine Advertisement That You Recall?

527052 What Was The First Wine Advertisement That You Recall? Sun Jun 08 17:53:27 -0700 2008 78 33 Food Media and News 0 3761580 Predicated on a topic in Not About Food - CH, I got to thinking, "what was the first advertising reference to wine, that I recall?" For me, I think that it was the "Little Old Wine Maker Me," from Swiss Colony. I think it was their French Colombard. Next was probably Riunete [SP?] and the "Aldo Chelo," bits. Last, and from about the same circa, were the Harvey's Bristol Creme (usually at/near the Holidays). What were the first ads, TV, radio, print, that you recall for wines? Hunt Sun Jun 08 17:53:28 -0700 2008 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3761896 I was just thinking about that "Little Old Wine Maker" ad the other day. That's the first one and the other one I thought of was Orson Welles, about serving no wine before its time. Sun Jun 08 19:57:44 -0700 2008 3761580 10764 monkuboy 2 3762015 Ah, the Orson Welles ads. I had forgotten about those. I think I purchased my first black turtleneck sweater, after those... Was that E & J Gallo? Thanks, Hunt Sun Jun 08 20:52:18 -0700 2008 3761896 11329 Bill Hunt 3 3762225 Paul Masson: "We will sell no wine before its time." Problem was he was using Emerald Dry -- a wine that was in the bottle within six months. I, too, remember "that little ol' winemaker, me" from Italian Swiss Colony, but rather than French Colombard, I remember him having trouble saying, "Sonapa-Noma" in trying to sell their "Napa-Sonoma-Mendocino" jug wine. Also he was selling "Tyrolia" . . . The ads Jerry Stiller and Ann Meara did for Blue Nun were classics! Indeed, much funnier -- but less ironic -- than Adam "Batman" West and ZsaZsa Gabor advertising Weibel Green Hungarian . . . Harvey's Bristol Cream -- and Dry Sack -- were the two sherries that were advertised annually. Almaden did a lot of print ads for their half-gallon Grenache Rosé. Sun Jun 08 22:58:00 -0700 2008 3762015 28122 zin1953 4 3764614 The late John Candy did a fabulous spoof of this on Second City TV. After delivering the Welles schtick, he looked off camera, and asked "What time is it? Six o'clock? It's time!". Mon Jun 09 15:09:46 -0700 2008 3762225 48210 KevinB 4 3765278 Thanks Jason, I knew that E&J Gallo did not ring true. I do recall the Stiller & Meara Blue Nun bits. But both the Weibel Green Hungarian and the Dry Sack (only recall the Bristol Cream) were either not aired in my region, or I have just forgotten them. Same with the Almaden. Hunt Mon Jun 09 19:00:25 -0700 2008 3762225 11329 Bill Hunt 5 3765792 Dry Sack starred Frank Gifford (New York Giants, ABC's Monday Night Football) drinking Dry Sack on the rocks instead of Scotch! Oh, and let's not forget Bartles & Jaymes! Thank you for your support. I think Adam West and Zsa Zsa may have been a radio campaign, the more I think about it . . . Mon Jun 09 23:35:49 -0700 2008 3765278 28122 zin1953 6 3768625 Now, the B&J commercials with the "older gents," were priceless. I do not recall the actors, if I ever knew their names, but think they might have been "character actors," from that circa. Do not recall Frank Gifford and the Dry Sack commercials. Depending on the era, I was either in New Orleans, or Denver. Most likely NOLA, as it was never considered a national market for much of anything. In Denver, we were the test market for so very much, back in the '80s & '90s. I would assume that it is still similar, as the demographic is good for marketing/advertising. Thanks, Hunt Tue Jun 10 18:47:13 -0700 2008 3765792 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3761920 "Spamanti Mantino, Pamanti Mantino! That's my vino..Wow!" is the first that comes to mind..it was an 80's commercial with a women in a cocktail dress singing.. Second is a Piat Dior wine commercial..she's french and remembering.."Moi, mais amis..et me vin prefora..La Piat Dior".. Sun Jun 08 20:10:34 -0700 2008 3761580 115868 burlgurl 1 3761928 I'm not a huge wine-drinker, but clearly remember seeing the ads for Blue Nun wines as a kid. I thought is was highly amusing, that a religious figure was hawking wine. Of course, I was probably 5 years old, too!! *LOL* Sun Jun 08 20:15:33 -0700 2008 3761580 23858 Honeychan 1 3761929 The first thing that popped in my head was Hochtaler early 80s. I remember this lady in a leotard suit with top hat and cane sing a song. Catchie tune .....haha I just found it on youtube!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB2_KuDUWaY man that bring back memories. Sun Jun 08 20:15:44 -0700 2008 3761580 144814 livetocook 2 3762044 Wow, that is a new one to me. Reminded me of Madeline Kahn in "Young Frankenstein." Maybe a regional thing. Thanks for sharing and for the URL. Hunt Sun Jun 08 21:00:34 -0700 2008 3761929 11329 Bill Hunt 2 3765053 That was the first thing I thought of too. I wanted to be her for Halloween when I was little but my parents wouldn't let me! ;) Mon Jun 09 17:38:14 -0700 2008 3761929 139180 Blush 3 3765280 Now, just think how they'd love to have a VHS of you in that role! Let the kids express themselves, but keep the video cam close.... Hunt Mon Jun 09 19:01:25 -0700 2008 3765053 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3761948 On radio, Clos du Bois, Sonoma County, with a man badly mimicking a French accent. And another radio spot. A traveler asks how to get to Napa County, she's given directions to a local market or butcher, and a short recipe with a wine pairing. I'm pretty sure that was Beringer. Saw my first Nicolas Feuillatte billboard recently in NYC. Sun Jun 08 20:23:14 -0700 2008 3761580 97069 mengathon 1 3761958 "we will sell no wine before it's time" Sun Jun 08 20:26:18 -0700 2008 3761580 106056 firecooked 2 3762154 ...thus sayeth Orson Welles regarding Paul Masson. Was it the hearty burgundy? That is my earliest memory too. Sun Jun 08 21:59:21 -0700 2008 3761958 13853 Leonardo 1 3762194 Definitely "Riuniti on ice, Riuniti so nice...Riuniti, Riuniti!" I think I was about five when that jingle played over and over. Had no idea what it was for but... Sun Jun 08 22:35:42 -0700 2008 3761580 50139 olivethegreat 1 3762728 And let's not forget "What's the word?" "Thunderbird!" Mon Jun 09 07:17:27 -0700 2008 3761580 28122 zin1953 2 3765284 I used to hear that a lot down on Camp Street, but that was years ago. I doubt that the folk down there, even know of Thunderbird, but could be wrong. "What's the price? Thirty twice." Hunt Mon Jun 09 19:02:54 -0700 2008 3762728 11329 Bill Hunt 3 3765793 Check out Thunderbird's TV commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTDEpSYD25M Mon Jun 09 23:36:15 -0700 2008 3765284 28122 zin1953 4 3768636 New one to me. I also do not think that any of the folk in that commercial would have been caught dead on Camp St. Now, Club 77 on S. Claiborne, well, that's another story. I also think that the denizens on Camp St were totally off of everyone's demographic list, but could be wrong. Now, I did see a few mixing Katz & Bestoff's "Purple Lable Gin," with T'bird. One offered me a taste, but I declined. Good thing, as I have lived a healthy life for another 40 years. Hunt Tue Jun 10 18:50:50 -0700 2008 3765793 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3762795 just found the 'Spamanti Bambino!" ad I referenced above on you tube.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6aNHt4xb-g&feature=related Mon Jun 09 07:38:09 -0700 2008 3761580 115868 burlgurl 1 3762813 Definitely the "Riunite on ice? That's nice!" ad. Looks like it was a late 70s/early 80s ad. http://riunite.com/americas_best.php Mon Jun 09 07:44:26 -0700 2008 3761580 10532 LindaWhit 1 3762874 Martini and Rossi Asti Spumante Mon Jun 09 08:00:26 -0700 2008 3761580 12014 LStaff 1 3763047 The Ernest and Julio Gallo spots. Mon Jun 09 08:47:56 -0700 2008 3761580 152667 Ralphie_in_Boston 1 3764165 I remember the Canei wine ads - I think that was one of the first wines to ever have a twist-off cap ... Mon Jun 09 13:20:00 -0700 2008 3761580 133831 romansperson 2 3766706 Canei? yes you can, anytime Tue Jun 10 09:43:05 -0700 2008 3764165 27944 kewpie 1 3764241 The first one that popped into my head was Mateus Rose -- which also had an ear-catching jingle. But yeah, Little Old Winemaker would have been about the same vintage (pardon the pun) and that Orson Welles/Paul Masson spot was famous (or infamous). Mon Jun 09 13:35:59 -0700 2008 3761580 10159 Ruth Lafler 2 3765131 Exactly! I immediately heard "hey hey hey Mateus Rose"......too. I even remember drinking it when I was 13.....I've since evolved! Mon Jun 09 18:06:40 -0700 2008 3764241 41725 manomin 1 3764262 Does vermouth count? I clearly remember "Say 'Yes' to Martini & Rossi on the rocks" from the mid-60s. This was kept alive for quite a while, and sometime in the 70s, Burt Bacharach and Angie Dickinson did this song in a M&R commercial. Mon Jun 09 13:42:08 -0700 2008 3761580 10258 Fydeaux 2 3765290 Oh yes, Vermouth counts. Had forgotten that one. Hunt Mon Jun 09 19:04:07 -0700 2008 3764262 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3764428 Blue Nun - the wine you can serve with anything. They also had radio adds that were (I think) with Jerry Stiller and Anne Meara. They were classic! Mon Jun 09 14:20:34 -0700 2008 3761580 64168 kkak97 2 3764567 Those Blue Nun ads *were* funny. And yeah, it was Stiller and Meara. I ran a google search on those ads and found the following in the NYTimes: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEEDA1631F937A35750C0A963958260 Mon Jun 09 14:54:24 -0700 2008 3764428 10159 Ruth Lafler 2 3767990 Those started a psychotic fascination w/Anne Meara, at least for a kid only in junior high!! LOL Tue Jun 10 14:54:17 -0700 2008 3764428 54744 rozz01 1 3764530 I can't remember which came first, the "sell no wine before it's time" ads, or the Ernest and Julio Gallo ones, but the latter was the first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this thread. Mon Jun 09 14:43:20 -0700 2008 3761580 13525 JasmineG 2 3765120 Man-oh-man-oh-shevitz Mon Jun 09 18:01:56 -0700 2008 3764530 46008 markabauman 3 3765146 Thanks, Mark! Veggo Mon Jun 09 18:11:42 -0700 2008 3765120 57170 Veggo 3 3765296 Hey, that was one of the two most common "wines," around my house, but I do not recall the ads. Maybe the South was not considered an appropriate market. Hunt Mon Jun 09 19:05:30 -0700 2008 3765120 11329 Bill Hunt 4 3765797 "Man, oh man, oh Manischevwitz" -- featuring Sammy Davis Jr. for their White Cream Concord! Mon Jun 09 23:37:36 -0700 2008 3765296 28122 zin1953 5 3766561 I cant remember if "Amoretto" was a Mogen David or a Manischewitz product, but I remember Sammy Davis Jr singing the jingle to the tune of "Alouetta". Tue Jun 10 09:01:47 -0700 2008 3765797 10258 Fydeaux 3 3766761 Yes..Man oh man...that one! Mogen David wine...always a bottle in the house, way up in the cupboard. God, I am old. Tue Jun 10 09:59:04 -0700 2008 3765120 11408 melly 1 3765181 How about Annie Green Springs and Boones Farm along with Mogan David and MD2020 Ahhh the late 60's what fun! Mon Jun 09 18:25:08 -0700 2008 3761580 73239 bigbob 2 3765374 There was a National Lampoon Radio Show spoof of the Green Spring/Boones wines in the 70s with a James Taylor soundalike singing: "Oh my favourite juice is Mother Goose's Sweet Potato Sparkling Wine Let's get loose on Mother Goose's Sweet Potato Sparkling Wine" It makes my tongue curl up and retreat to the back of my throat just thinking about it! Mon Jun 09 19:27:28 -0700 2008 3765181 10258 Fydeaux 3 3768655 Back in the day, long before I became the wine snob, that I am, I used to drink some quantity of Annie Green Springs, as it's acid level was lower than the comperable Boone's Farm product (note that I did not say wine). I do not recall a TV commercial for either, but that might have just been my sheltered life. So there you have my wine (?) evolution: Mogen David/ManOmanochevitz [joke], to Boone's Farm, then to Annie Green Springs, then to an OZ product (or so it seemed - never read the fine print), Matilda Bay (bag in a box, and it had to have Viognier & Muscat - can you say Conundrum?), then Mateus & Lancer's, and finally, the monster was born! Hunt Tue Jun 10 18:56:21 -0700 2008 3765374 11329 Bill Hunt 4 3777781 I remember the Orson Welles and Tyrolia commercials--Trink, trink, trink Tyrolia, trink es wieder! My god, Annie Green Springs! I consumed a bottle or two of that myself. Best cheap wine memory is from being at the University of Michigan football games in the 70's. After halftime, where the Wolverines almost inevitably were beating some poor opponent by 50-0, the students got bored and started chanting "BOONES Farm! BOONES Farm", whereupon we passed all the empty bottles to the top of the stadium. To this day I have no idea where those bottles ultimately went. Dreadful plonk, wasn't it. Fri Jun 13 10:06:52 -0700 2008 3768655 109573 coney with everything 2 3765418 And "cinnamon apple in my Zapple, wine is on my mind"! I don't think Boone's Farm paid for a jingle! I think Annie Greensprings was the first "wine" I ever drank in high school! Mon Jun 09 19:43:55 -0700 2008 3765181 15882 PrincessBakesALot 1 3765314 Hey, hey, hey.....Mateus Rose. Also loved the Stiller and Meara shtick for Blue Nun. What was the wine Sammy Davis Jr. used to shill for...? P.S. " Everybody knows...Wild Irish Rose" (not ro-zay, but rose like the flower) No, that's not the answer to the Sammy question. Mon Jun 09 19:09:42 -0700 2008 3761580 154787 adamshoe 1 3765812 Don't recall for sure, but it might have been Mogen David. This was before we moved to the Bay Area and learned about wine. Tue Jun 10 00:03:08 -0700 2008 3761580 55316 mpalmer6c 2 3765892 It wouldn't have been Christmas without the Andre Cold Duck commercials. Tue Jun 10 03:16:51 -0700 2008 3765812 15347 MagnumWino 3 3768657 Ah, yes, how could I forget those. Thanks, Hunt Tue Jun 10 18:57:19 -0700 2008 3765892 11329 Bill Hunt 3 3773850 Yes that is the first that came to my mind. Then it went to Black Velvet, which isn't wine, but I really loved that commercial! Thu Jun 12 08:58:50 -0700 2008 3765892 50431 chef chicklet 1 3767316 Due to it's funny name, when I was young I remember an advertisement for "Cold Duck." I don't even know what that is or if it's still being made. Tue Jun 10 12:17:12 -0700 2008 3761580 56054 dave_c 1 3767343 I loved the beautiful shots of vineyards and Vangelis music for the (a Google search tells me) Gallo wine. At some point, were liquor ads banned from TV? I vaguely recall being miffed about losing these lovely commercials. The Inglenook commercials were always as cozy and appealing as the name. And I'm not even sure I knew what the word meant back then. Was it Madria Madria Sangria? Some female member of the family did the commercials. Yago Sangria advertised, too, but I can't recall those spots. André's "champagne" had a wonderful Christmas commercial, with the clinks of glasses set to a carol. "Christmas Is Here"? Always looked forward to the return of that one each December. Burt Bachrach and Angie Dickinson for Martini & Rossi. "Say yes, yes, to Martini & Rossi on the rocks." I remember a whole series of commercials for Harvey's Bristol Cream. Apparently, serving it on the rocks would get a girl to come up to your apartment. Aldo Cella. Chill a Cella. "Sono Franco Bolla." Which, when I was taking Italian, was kind of amusing, as it almost sounds like "I am a postage stamp." Tue Jun 10 12:23:47 -0700 2008 3761580 56467 Angela Roberta 2 3768667 You are correct. The song is Vangelis' "Hymn," though with a slightly different arrangement, than on his CD ("Opera Sauvage," IIRC). When we first heard the score, three of us immediately screamed, "Vangelis," and went in search of the CD. It took months for it to hit the shelves, in Colorado. Do not recall the Inglenook, though I have scored some of their older (much older) Cabs, which were amazing. Obviously, things changed dramatically. Hunt Tue Jun 10 19:00:33 -0700 2008 3767343 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3768880 Two came immediately to mind.... "That little old winemaker, Me!" and "We will sell no wine before its time." (LOL) Tue Jun 10 20:18:52 -0700 2008 3761580 52499 ChefJune 1 3769042 Jingle: "When you open your heart, open the Lancer's." Tue Jun 10 21:41:17 -0700 2008 3761580 10143 MC Slim JB 1 3769077 "Aldo Aldo"......"Chill a Cella" - Aldo Cello. Tue Jun 10 21:58:18 -0700 2008 3761580 41725 manomin 1 3775491 Well, I can't remember for sure if they were the earliest wine commercials I ever heard (doubt it) or just the ones I liked best at the time. Can't remember all the details, and they may have been regional to the SF Bay area, but there were a whole bunch of radio and TV spots about "Sonapa-noma-mendocino" wines. It was a tongue twister play on the Napa Sonoma Mendocino regional vinyards of Northern California, where the wines produced aren't too shabby! As I said, a lot of the details are failing to flood back to me, but I think it was a PR campaign sponsored by all of the vinters of those regions. "Sonapa-noma-mendocino" has stayed with me. The details have not. Thu Jun 12 15:57:06 -0700 2008 3761580 112096 Caroline1 2 3777145 Caroline, The "Sonapa-noma-mendocino" as NOT done by "all the vintners of those regions. As mentioned above, it was an ad campaign by Italian Swiss Colony featuring "that little, ol' winemaker -- me." Italian Swiss Colony was attempting to tout the fact that their wines were grown along California's north coast, rather than the Central Valley such as their chief rival, Gallo. That said, at one point in the 1960s, Gallo was using one-third of all the grapes grown in each county -- Napa, Sonoma and Mendocino -- respectively. In the late-1970s, Gallo pulled out of Napa and focused on Sonoma exclusively. Cheers, Jason Fri Jun 13 07:16:34 -0700 2008 3775491 28122 zin1953 3 3778038 LOL! So much for long term product identification with some consumers, anyway. Thanks for the details, Jason. I don't remember anything at all about Italian Swiss Colony from the commercials. It would seem that "Sonapa-noma-mendocino" ain't no "Plop, plop. Fizz, fizz!" '-) Fri Jun 13 11:14:15 -0700 2008 3777145 112096 Caroline1 1 3775580 Cold Duck - the name just seemed so intriguing to me as a child. The image in my mind just didn't seem to go with the image projected by the commercials! I had many food related interests from t.v. then. Growing up in Fl. there were many references to "cake" canaveral - I was sure it must be like the witches house that Hansel & Gretel found. Took me a few years to figure that one out! Busch beer also held my interest because of the majestic Clydesdales Thu Jun 12 16:25:34 -0700 2008 3761580 111267 meatn3 1 3781952 Andre Cold Duck at Christmas. Boone's Farm Strawberry Wine Riunite On Ice. Ernest and Julio Gallo's Hearty Burgandy Inglenook Martini & Rossi Asti Something about Lancer's but I don't remember the words, just the bottle. Manechevitz are the first ones I remember. No, wait, I remember MD20/20, Thunderbird and Wild Irish Rose, and Night Train! But maybe those were local ads... Sun Jun 15 08:53:03 -0700 2008 3761580 83832 fussycouple 2 3782925 This is a great thread. All of these remembered commercials bring back fond memories of that era in which I grew up. That was a great time. Sun Jun 15 17:42:18 -0700 2008 3781952 15347 MagnumWino 1 3784634 Riunite on ice...was the first one that popped into my mind... No one has mentioned the somewhat sinister ads for "Black Tower" riesling... Mon Jun 16 11:19:28 -0700 2008 3761580 16728 kenito799 2 3786183 FWIW, Black Tower was Liebfraumilch, and never sold as Riesling. Indeed, it wasn't, and eventually when on to lose the ability to call itself Liebfraumilch. Mon Jun 16 19:05:10 -0700 2008 3784634 28122 zin1953 3 3806012 I remember we used to call it "leapfrogmilk" and laugh hysterically. Mon Jun 23 13:15:31 -0700 2008 3786183 10245 oakjoan 4 3806827 Frog's Leap Winery (in the Napa Valley) used to MAKE "Leapfrögmilch" -- now they make "Frögenbeerenauslese." Mon Jun 23 17:10:01 -0700 2008 3806012 28122 zin1953 5 3850536 I'm not sure who wins the "Play on Words Award," John Willams of Randall Grahm. Hunt Tue Jul 08 18:03:24 -0700 2008 3806827 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3795854 "What's the word? Thunderbird." Thu Jun 19 17:16:41 -0700 2008 3761580 54833 ClaireWalter 1 3816465 In the late 1970s, Monseiur Henri wines sponsored absurd radio ads in NYC for Premiat wines (Romanian cabernet)--A "french" voice claimed, "Zis vine must be French!" and an "American" voice responded, "No, It's Premiat." Used to retail for about $1.99 and was sad stuff... Inglenook also in the early 1980's used a radio jingle, "When the thought is from the heart, let be Inglenook" or something to that effect. Thu Jun 26 12:47:47 -0700 2008 3761580 204204 penthouse pup 1 3850884 Roma Wines of Fresno, CA was the sponsor of Orson Welles' Suspense program as early as 1943. Considering that the US wine market was decimated by Prohibition (repealed in 1933), I would think that the Roma Wine ad was one of the earliest. What ever happened to Roma Wine? Tue Jul 08 20:20:04 -0700 2008 3761580 12471 jlawrence01 2 3851010 It's a bit frightening to realize that both the father and an uncle of famed Berkeley wine importer Kermit Lynch both worked for Roma . . . Roma was founded by John Battista Cella and his brother, Lorenzo. they came to the US in 1898 from the town of Bardi in northern Italy. After working in New York restaurants, they got into the wholesale grocery buisness and became quite successful. In 1916, Battista came to California and bought the Scatena wineries in Lodi (their headquarters), Manteca, and in Healdsburg. Lorenzo remained in New York City to sell the wines. Through Prohibition, they survived making Sacramental wines. After Prohibition, the Cellas moved their winery from Lodi into the old Santa Lucia Winery in Fresno, and renamed it Roma. In 1942, Schenley Distillers bought Roma (and Cresta Blanca, by the way). The Cellas reentered the wine business, but Roma remained a Schenley brand until Guild Wineries & Distilleries bought it in 1970. FWIW, at one point, Roma owned Greystone in the Napa Valley. In 1945, The Christian Brothers began to lease a portion of the building from Roma, and bought it outright in 1950. They used to for Charmat-process sparkling wines until it closed, later to re-open as home to the Culinary Institute of America's Napa Valley campus and home to the Wine Spectator's restaurant . . . For a look at an old Roma ad, check out http://www.tias.com/3943/PictPage/1922861398.html Tue Jul 08 21:18:55 -0700 2008 3850884 28122 zin1953 3 3851055 From my little research (and a 1943 Time article), it appears that the distillers were looking to buy the entire wine industry. Tue Jul 08 21:40:37 -0700 2008 3851010 12471 jlawrence01 3 3927544 Jason, I recall Guild Wines, but the rest is news to me. Thanks for the info! Interesting about Greystone. I've done the dining, and the tours, but do not recall any of this, in the history lesson. Always appreciated, Hunt Sun Aug 03 21:04:15 -0700 2008 3851010 11329 Bill Hunt 1 3850959 "Say it again...Virginia Dare." A LOOOOONNNNG time ago. Tue Jul 08 20:51:42 -0700 2008 3761580 10926 mnosyne 2 3851013 Right. In 1933, the first "singing" commercial for wine on radio . . . Tue Jul 08 21:21:24 -0700 2008 3850959 28122 zin1953 1 3851089 I guess it would have to be "Bartyles and James" for me. It seemed so sophisticated from the eyes of a 5 year old! :) Tue Jul 08 21:58:25 -0700 2008 3761580 83210 charlestonfoodiegal 1 3940048 Asti Spumanti was the first. Then Mateus, then Stiller and Meara with Blue Nun. Swiss Colony was in there somewhere. Those were the very early ones. Thu Aug 07 23:29:01 -0700 2008 3761580 23583 EclecticEater