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do you get crabby when hungry?

blame low levels of serotonin! http://www.mywire.com/pubs/TimesofInd...

my college pal became a total witch when she got hungry. it was, well, almost dangerous to be around her. i was not nearly as bad as she was. these days, i do tend to get a little crabby, because when i'm hungry, i don't feel my best.

mr. alka goes all day without eating, and then eats dinner. no problem.

makes for some wonderful marriage moments, i tell ya!

which way are you? are you mismatched with your mate (in terms of hunger pangs?

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i just make small meals, and keep snacks like good nuts and trail mix around. mr. alka sometimes just has to eat his dinner from reheating in the microwave, 'cause NORMAL people (like moi) eat at a sensible time! ;-)

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  1. NO, I'm not crabby, so leave me alone!

    But seriously, I like to eat smallish amounts at regular intervals, but my husband will fast all day in anticipation of a special meal. He's like a camel. Maybe it's a guy thing.

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    1. re: jlafler

      Not sure if it's a "guy thing," but I do similar.

      Hunt

    2. It is low blood sugar causing the problem. I have that issue, too. I actually get weak, light headed, irritable, and even shaky if I don't eat on time. I also carry peanuts in my purse. I eat something, at least a small snack, every 3-4 hours. I have Type 2 diabetes in my family, and although my sugar levels test normal, I have a bit of insulin sensitivity...a whole lot of people do. And we are the ones who will eventually end up with Type 2 diabetes if we lead "over nourished" lifestyles and don't watch our weight. I am pregnant now (also a higher risk for gestational diabetes), but I usually eat a diabetic style diet by monitoring my carb in take and never eating carbs alone, avoid potato chips and other things that cause blood sugar spikes. I have been doing that for a few years. It keeps my weight down, and also prevents that bite-your-head-off feeling when I haven't eaten, because I manage it and never let myself get to that point.

      As a foodie, one drawback is that sometimes I know I will be eating something really great later in the day, and I would like to go there really hungry to enjoy the taste more. But I have to eat some peanuts or something. Also, I do badly when invited to lunch or dinner in peoples' homes when they eat late...so I have to eat before I go or I'll just be too out of sorts to enjoy.

      1. If I don't eat all day @ work, I'll tend to be a bit more bitchy in the evening as I'm racing to throw dinner together. My husband is a BEAR when he is hungry. AKA= The BEAST.
        Usually I'll just complain LOUDLY to anyone unlucky enough to HAVE to listen (the dog, the cats) "I'm HUNGRY! Me want COOKIE! Do we have any wine?! I'm so HUNGRY!! Where are my kettle chips? Did Daddy save me any cheesecake? "

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        1. re: Boccone Dolce

          I'm always amazed by friends who can "function" without having food all day. I feel kinda irritated and am unable to concentrate well when I start to get hungry, to the point that all I can think about is FOOD. Sometimes my mum can even tell when I'm hungry and would say, "You need something to eat, don't you?" Mmm, I hope I wasn't saying mean things to her ... sorry, mum!

          1. re: dreamsicle

            Haha -- that reminded me of that scene in My Big Fat Greek Wedding, when the mother says in exasperation, "Oh, Toula, EAT something!"

            I, too, am shocked when people 'forget' to eat or are 'too busy.' I'm constantly thinking about what to cook/eat next that it would be impossible to do so. Hunger has a habit of sneaking into my conversations with people...if I'm hungry, we could be talking about anything and I'd jump in with a "So, where do you want to go for lunch?" or completely derail the conversation into something food-related. My friends have learned not to take this personally.

        2. Rather than eating a snack, if I'm home, or if it's available, I will drink a glass of anywhere from 1/3-1/2 fruit juice and 1/2-2/3- seltzer. The sugar bounces my blood sugar, the mix cuts the caloric content. As for the carbonation. ... Well, it just gives it a little more 'punch' than plain water.

          1. My husband gets cranky if he goes too long without carbs.

            1. yep. hypoglycemic. i become a cranky b**ch if i go longer than 3 hours without food. except, of course, when i'm asleep. then i'm just restless :)

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              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                That's me too, except I'm a bas**rd. I get up very early and on weekends I'll often have 2 breakfasts, one to hld me until my wife gets up and the 2nd w/ her. When I don't I'll crash so low, it's hard to come back up to speed for the rest of the day. My wife is smart enough to sense it coming and make me eat. Maybe I'm just part hobbit.

                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                  I had a friend that was hypoglycemic. He had to eat often. Sometimes just a candybar would keep him from getting foul.
                  I can skip a meal, but not two.
                  I get cranky (or have a short fuse) if I get really hungry, especially if I am cooking, and hungry, and get no help (they're eating, watching me work and asking when will it be done?).
                  Sometimes I am SO BUSY (or into what I am doing) that I won't stop what I'm doing and I pay later. Can't abuse my body anymore quite like I used to do when I was younger.
                  Pass, hombre, you're too big to be hobbit but you look like you're part one.

                  1. re: Scargod

                    I don't get hungry while cooking, only tipsy.

                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                      heehee - I love to cook with wine, and sometimes I even put it in the food.

                      1. re: sunshine842

                        I generally wait to start drinking until I'm done chopping. Seems prudent....

                2. Me? No. I can handle hunger. Not DH! Yikes! Even the kids know to steer clear of him when he has had to skip lunch because of work duties. On those days, I try to have some kind of snacky horsd'oeuvrey thing ready for him when he hits the door.

                  1. Me cranky? Never....I become a total &&&&&&.:)

                    1. My SO gets really grumpy and unpleasant to be around. At first I took it personally when he would snap at me. After all these years, I make a joke and call him on it.

                      I, however, get weak feeling and cannot concentrate. My job means 10 hour days with no lunch break - just eat at your desk when things slow down. Problem is there are days when there are no slow times. I'll open up my lunchbox after being hungry for a couple hours and someone will walk in needing attention. And since I cannot eat early in the morning, I'm often getting my first meal well after 2pm.

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                      1. re: mojoeater

                        mojoeater, your mention of long hours reminds me of when I used to wait tables -- I worked in a place that was insanely popular for brunch, so the crew would fill up on breakfast at 7 knowing our next meal was at 4. Of course, that meal was eaten standing up, in small bites here and there, while we tried to close out our remaining tables...but 9 hours of running around with hot coffee and loaded plates does inspire some strong hunger pangs. Thank goodness for all those muffins. When it got really bad, I'd have a glass of juice for the energy from all that sugar.

                        It's really not as bad as it seems, though. I ate extremely well during those years and learned a lot of Spanish. Tip your servers!

                        1. re: theannerska

                          There's no way I could eat at 7am. I have to be awake for at least a few hours before taking solid food. Otherwise I feel ill all day. I've actually resorted to keeping meal replacement shakes in a mini fridge at work. I can handle that earlier in the morning..

                          1. re: mojoeater

                            My SO switched to meal replacement shakes in the morning, too -- he feels the same way. I wake up ravenous, since I don't eat sizable dinners that often, and probably also because I tend to think about what to cook/eat the next day when I'm falling asleep...

                      2. Oh yeah! First I start to yawn alot, then my tummy rumbles and if I don't eat something, anything within the next hour, I start to get shaky. And bitchy! My husband knows if I say I need something to eat, that doesn't mean in an hour, it means NOW and I don't care what it is, a piece of fruit, bread, crackers, cheese, glass of juice, whatever. It only takes about two minutes and Viola, I feel better. I am a hair stylist and have had to stop with a client and eat because my hands are shaking. Not good for haircutting.

                        My hubby, can forget to eat all day! How does he do that?!

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                        1. re: jodymaryk

                          i swear it's a guy thing...my dad is the same way. mom has to REMIND him to eat at least one meal per day.

                          ridiculous.

                          1. re: jodymaryk

                            My husband got away without eating all day for years. He is now paying for it. He is now in rough shape if he doesn't eat every 4 hours or so. The bad part is that he doesn't get hungry and he doesn't recognize that he needs food/has low blood sugar. This leaves me as the mean person coaxing him to eat frequently enough. He falls asleep and has trouble finding words now when he has low blood sugar.

                            1. re: sandylc

                              we'll assume he's had a recent checkup by a qualified medical professional...that sounds like it has "dangerous" written all over it, for a number of reasons.

                              1. re: sunshine842

                                I agree. He was checked out a few months ago at a University clinic and they were just sort of blase about it. The doctor actually took me aside and said, "the blood work is fine. You'll have to decide how far you want to take this." He acted as though I was just some witchy wife trying to find fault with her husband. I ended up taking him to a sleep clinic and getting an apnea diagnosis - the CPAP has helped somewhat, but the eating thing continues to rear its ugly head.

                                1. re: sandylc

                                  not to get off an a tangent, but please consider talking to an alternative health doctor. you can actually call in to rosellecare.com show on sundays at noon out of wmal radio here in d.c. http://rosellecare.com/custom_content...

                                  note that you need to capture this post. word!

                                  1. re: alkapal

                                    Thank you! Yes, we have been following that path as well - I don't care at all for traditional medicine in general, but it seemed to be potentially necessary in ithis instance. I'll look at the website - thanks.

                          2. Oh yeah. If I don't eat I get a headache, feel downright sick. My mom and her dad were the same way. Grandma could never understand why they would get so cranky if they had not eaten at regular intervals and thought they were just being weenies. Finally one time grandma and I were coming down from Oregon and I was STARVING and beyond cranky. Lo and behold so was grandma as we were totally snarking at each other. We finally just stopped at some sub place. After about 3 bites we both calmed down and I looked at her and said "NOW do you get it?" She never gave us any crap after that.

                            1. I read this title to Hubby and he started laughing. Oh man can I get crabby especially if I feel hunger coming on and I'm indecisive about what to eat. I only allow a certain amount of calories a day and I don't want to waste one meal with garbage. So I need to have quick, tasty bites available a lot. It doesn't take much and then I'm fine. I just need them quickly.

                              The worst though is, when I'm having one of those days where I've gone for hrs without eating (and been fine) to find that I'm going out or over to someones house for eats later. (See this is already bad because I've not eaten much and I know my hunger pain is gonna be dangerous). If the hostess tells us a time, like, dinner will be in 15 min and it's late. Oh man alive I can turn into the biggest b*tch. Seriously watch out. It's like, mentally and physically my body has prepared itself to be eating at that time and if it comes and goes by more than 10 minutes, yup I get that low blood sugar feel. This happened at a restaurant once, where the guest of honour was an hour late! I did everything in my power to keep my hunger monster at bay. Hubby was very impressed at that one. He's used to my spats when hungry. Thank God he doesn't take it personally. He just knows by my tone of voice to get the hell out of the way, I need to eat. I'm usually not rude about it. I just get really serious at the turn of a dime. I think it'd be quite interesting for me to see it from someone else's prospective. At a distance of course! LOL

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                              1. re: livetocook

                                "Oh man can I get crabby especially if I feel hunger coming on and I'm indecisive about what to eat."

                                This is my dh to a T. The worst part is that he doesn't usually see it coming. So the first visible stage is indecisiveness. Then he gets increasingly cranky and finally he'll decide he doesn't want to eat at all, all within a 10- 20 minute window. Drives me crazy, especially when we travel.

                                I've learned that I just have to drag him (sometimes a bit forcefully) into one restaurant or another and order an appetizer pronto. At that point I don't even care if the place is good. After a few bites he transforms back into the sweet guy I married. :)

                                1. re: platypus

                                  "......and finally he'll decide he doesn't want to eat at all, all within a 10- 20 minute window."

                                  haha...I can be like this too!!

                                  1. re: livetocook

                                    Your hubby and I should start a support group. We could call ourselves "Supporting Our Underfed Partners (SOUP)." :)

                                    1. re: platypus

                                      Funny that you say SOUP! When I reach that point at work where I'm so hungry I cannot make a decision, I've learned to walk to food court, bypass Ben & Jerry's, the Indian place, and everything else, and order chicken soup. No ability to make a decision and no decision to make.

                                  2. re: platypus

                                    "So the first visible stage is indecisiveness. Then he gets increasingly cranky and finally he'll decide he doesn't want to eat at all, all within a 10- 20 minute window."

                                    I showed this to my boyfriend and he cracked up. I do this all the time; get hungry, can't decide what to eat, am offered a ton of options.. and if none of them are the right one, I'll get really annoyed and not eat at all.

                                    This only happens when I don't cook, which isn't often.. I suppose one reason I love to cook is because I get exactly what I want ;)

                                2. So.. my friend S. is one of the more sweet-tempered, sane persons you could know.. she's an MFCC and quite centered and down to earth.. but I learned of her blood sugar problem the hard way. We were on a 45 minute drive to a meeting and she says, halfway there "We need to stop at Hector's Panaderia to get a taco. I'm really hungry."

                                  I said "S... we're just 25 minutes away from our destination and there's going to be food.. let's keep driving."

                                  She repeated her request. The turnoff was a mile ahead and I repeated my suggestion that we continue on our way. She leaned across the seat and bit me. BIT ME! I immediately turned off the freeway and deposited her in front of Hector's Panaderia. A few minutes later my sweet sane friend emerged from Hector's wiping her lips and we went on our way. She did NOT apologize. I think she expected ME to apologize. My blood sugar is quite nicely level, thank you very much. I do NOT get cranky unless I'm reeeeally reeeeally hungry.

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                                  1. re: fromagina

                                    I'm sure that most of the readers are pretty horrified by your story, Fromagina (and rightly so). What I find horrifying is that I can totally relate to your friend. Really. I can't apologize for her although I wish I could. I can tell you that it wasn't personal, if that helps.

                                    1. re: sebetti

                                      Trust me, 30 years later S. is still a much loved friend.. but I have learned to pack snacks when we travel! I think for me it's like the difference between those who had morning sickness with pregnancy and those, like me who didn't. It took me a looong time to finally realise that those gags were real and not some kind of self-fulfilling indulgence. In my senior years I'm getting a bit hypoglycemic and finally understand how compelling a food-imbalance can be.

                                    2. re: fromagina

                                      Low blood sugar can cause a lot of different symptoms, and in many people it does tend to induce an anxiety/panic reaction. On the other hand, as someone who occasionally experiences truly clinical low blood sugar, I would say that it's not a reasonable excuse for biting someone. If hunger is that disruptive of your friend's moods, she should carry snacks.

                                      Some time I would like to test to test some of these claims of low blood sugar, because I'm not convinced it's necessarily the cause of the problems attributed to it. (I check my blood sugar several times a day, so I have hard data.) The way the body normally compensates for low blood sugar is by releasing glucose stored in the liver or muscle tissue into the bloodstream, and presumably people who have problems with hypoglycemia have some sort of glitch in this system of blood glucose regulation. (With diabetics, it's the treatment, not the disease, that causes hypoglycemia.) For most people, a steady blood sugar level doesn't depend on eating frequently. It's not that I don't believe claims of extreme and even uncontrollable crankiness due to hunger; I'm just not convinced that low blood sugar is the cause.

                                      1. re: jlafler

                                        jlafler- I definitely have panic/anxiety symptoms when I do not eat at the times I have planned on and it can come on so quickly. I gues as you mentioned it is a result of low blood sugar. Are there any ways, remedies to correct this 'glitch' or is it a mental thing that I need to concur? Thanks

                                        1. re: forzagto

                                          I'm definitely not an expert, so if it's really an ongoing problem I'd suggest talking to your doctor. I don't know the current medical thinking on low blood sugar, but it's not a mental thing.

                                          In a sense, it doesn't matter whether the problem is low blood sugar or something else; the bottom line is the symptom, and the only way I know to manage it is to make sure to eat your meals regularly and always carry snacks in case a meal gets delayed.

                                          1. re: jlafler

                                            I'm diabetic, my husband is not. A couple of years ago he started getting shakey/cranky on occasion at work. Then it started happening at home and regularly enough that I grew concerned. I finally convinced him to let me "stick" him at one of these times so I could check his blood sugar on my glucometer. Not only was he low, he was so low that the glucometer read "consult doctor immediately". I convinced him to make an appt. and tests were run with no definitive results. He still gets these shakes/cranks from time to time, I've checked his sugar repeatedly and it's always low when it happens. We keep him stocked with snacks at work and in the car and it helps but after repeated appts. and tests we still have no explanation for the phenomena.
                                            I've been told by more than one physician that "there's no such thing as low blood sugar in a non-diabetic person" but find it odd that I have the evidence of low blood sugar readings in a non-diabetic person right in front of me.

                                            1. re: morwen

                                              That's interesting. I've been told that, too (that there's no such thing as low blood sugar in non-diabetics), but I don't believe it. Given how sensitive and complex the body's glucose regulation system is, I would expect there to be lots of different ways it could go haywire.

                                              1. re: jlafler

                                                There are indeed many reasons why a person can be hypoglycemic. I'm surprised that your doctors have told you that. It can range from fasting, pituitary abnormalities, liver issues, etc.

                                                And doctors do disagree about things. Just because one doctor tells you something doesn't mean that one should automatically assume that's the truth.

                                                1. re: Miss Needle

                                                  He's had a battery of tests from a battery of doctors, with many of the same tests repeated by different doctors in the two different areas of the country we've lived in since the symptoms started, all armed with his previous medical transcripts. We're not automatically assuming anything. He's had thyroid tests, glucose tests, liver biopsies, heart scans, blood pressure monitorings, stress tests, and more. It's still a mystery. His sugar does return to normal after he's eaten but much slower than mine does when I hit a low. It's a continuing mystery that we watch carefully.

                                                  1. re: morwen

                                                    Rebecca, when you get a chance, please shoot me an Email. My Email address is in my profile. There are a couple of things I want to say, but are off-topic for this site.

                                                2. re: jlafler

                                                  Doctors tend to follow established info from "scientific" studies and dismiss what they call "anecdotal" evidence. I say that anecdotal evidence is something that actually happens to someone and is therefore real and needs to be acknowledged and dealt wtih.

                                        2. re: fromagina

                                          You are a saint.

                                          A four hour glucose tolerance test diagnosed me as being hypoglycemic about 25 years ago. When my blood sugar dips, I get pretty cranky.

                                          I consider it to be my responsibility to manage this illness. If I ever bit my traveling companion as a result of my own lack of planning, I would be deserving of one of the following courses of action:

                                          1) pull over and make me get out of your car. Whatever happens to me is my own fault.

                                          2) Take me to Hector's; keep on driving.

                                          Whether you choose 1 or 2, you would be well justified with charging me with assault. The hassle of dealing with that criminal charge would be a wake up call that I obviously need.

                                          I know how angry and irritable I feel when I have a sugar low. It is unpleasant enough that I want to avoid it. That's why I have a desk drawer at work stocked with granola bars, shelf stable milk, peanut butter, seeds and nuts, juice boxes. There's always an ancient can of honey roast peanuts in the car that tastes like an old phone book but will keep me from having a sugar crash.

                                          Making sure that my limitations don't impinge on the people around me is my responsibility. It's up to me to take care of my issue. If I don't know I have a problem, I hope my friends will point it out to me. Otherwise, I hope that they won't get in the car with me again. Nobody deserves friends that will put up with being bit.

                                        3. I think women tend to be more affected than men when they don't get fed. I might have to do with our hormones, who knows. However, I know a lot of guys who can go all day without eating before dinner or "forget" to eat. I know very few women who "forget" to eat or can go without eating all day. It could also partly be due to women--and I stereotype--having more unhealthy relationships with food than men.

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                                          1. re: Jacey

                                            I disagree that it's a male/female thing. In our household, I'm the one who can forget to eat. I forget to eat lunch at work on a regular basis. And I'm fine with it. Mr MM, on the other hand, does not do well with missed meals. At work, he has to keep some snacks on hand and eat every few hours. When he gets too hungry, he doesn't just get grumpy. He gets clammy, shaky, and literally week in the knees. The same thing that would happen if he "hit the wall" during exercise. We are both endurance athletes and are familiar with the sensation. It comes as no surprise that he is also much more like to hit the wall during long workouts than I am.

                                          2. I don't know about women being more sensitive to hunger - both my husband and my son have complete personality changes when they are hungry. And you don't want to be around them. My husband usually knows when he's hungry. My son (he's 17) doesn't have any idea that when he's just awful to be around, he's probably just hungry.

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                                            1. re: jeanmarieok

                                              I become a SOB with a very short fuse...

                                              1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                Sometimes I am hungry and sometimes I am "grumpy hungry"....which means all bets are off.

                                                1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                  I can tell by the pained look on my dh's face.. oh yes, and by the deepening depth of those two little vertical lines above his nose.. that it's time to place calories in front of him. I'll toss him an apple or a banana or hand him a piece of cheese and he looks so surprised. "Wow! How did you know I was hungry?" If I don't feed my mild-mannered sweetie pie when I see the signs, he becomes a very cranky vinegar pie. My son gets hyper and twitchy when he's hungry but he's good at knowing what to do about it so I don't have to toss food into the bear pit when he's hungry.

                                                2. Normally, I would do okay as long as I know when I get to eat at least a snack. Now that I'm pregnant, I will eat when I'm hungry... Since I had such terrible morning sickness for the first trimester, actually being hungry is a good thing.

                                                  1. I can't believe the horrible and vile words that have spewed from my mouth when I hit that wall. The first time it happened, my husband was simply stunned because I had never, ever said anything like that to anyone (well...at least not out loud.) It was a surreal experience, almost out of body. I was appalled as I watched myself but nothing could stop it.And I was shaking, felt nauseous, and just couldn't think beyond anything other than getting food in my mouth.
                                                    Honestly, I was convinced that I had diabetes. Luckily, I don't but I did have gestational diabetes. Luckily, I liked the Mediterranean/Diabetes diet I followed while pregnant - it suited me.
                                                    (as an fyi, gestational diabetes disappears as soon as you give birth in 95% of the cases. They assume that the remaining 5% were undiagnosed prior to pregnancy. But women who have had gestational diabetes have a much greater chance to develop Type II Diabetes later in life.)

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                                                    1. re: sebetti

                                                      Thanks for the GD tip. I haven't had my glucose tolerance test, yet. I'm petrified that I have it because I'm obsessed with fruit.

                                                      I snapped at my boss a month ago when she made me work through lunch for 9 hours straight... She's known I am pregnant since the beginning because I work in a lab.

                                                      1. re: AlyKen

                                                        There's a very good chance that the fruit obsession is just plain old pregnancy related, it's pretty normal. I, personally, was obsessed with eggs.
                                                        Btw, the glucose drinks they feed you before your test are BEYOND nasty -- they taste like mostly-flat soda with triple the normal sugar. Try to make sure it's super-chilled before you drink it and try your best to drink it without tasting it.

                                                        Good Luck!!

                                                        1. re: sebetti

                                                          i held my nose while i chugged the drink for my OGTT, and it did help me get it down....although keeping it down [ugh, that aftertaste!] is an entirely different story.

                                                          note to AlyKen: if you do go for the test, be sure to bring something with you to eat immediately afterwards. i was so hypogycemic, cranky & miserable it was evil.

                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                            I had no problem with the glucose solution -- mine was orange-flavored, and not terrible (I'd never drink it on purpose, but it wasn't awful) -- they even commented that it had a been a long time since they'd seen anyone tolerate it as well as I had.

                                                            However -- holey moley -- when it was done, I beelined it to the nearest all-you-can-eat buffet. Thought the manager was going to beg for mercy.

                                                    2. i've learned when on a road trip that mr. alka will not clue-in to me saying "i'm hungry." he won't take the initiative to stop then, but continues driving. then, it is, "well, where do you want to eat?" (keeps driving) until i say, "we are going to eat. let's get off at this exit!" ticks me off every time. makes for real road trip fun!

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                                                      1. re: alkapal

                                                        This is one reason I always carry snacks.

                                                        1. re: jlafler

                                                          j, you must be a better woman than me, but snacks don't cut it on the road when i'm hungry. proper hungry, not just peckish.

                                                          1. re: alkapal

                                                            Maybe we just have different definitions of "snack."

                                                            For example, on a recent airplane trip, I packed the following in carry-on luggage:
                                                            A package of Marie biscuits
                                                            A large bag of pretzels (transferred to a re-closable plastic bag)
                                                            Two six-packs of Baby Bel cheese
                                                            Three oranges
                                                            A disc of Turkish dried apricots
                                                            A large plastic container of carrot sticks and cucumber spears

                                                            I also had the snacks I usually carry with me: a couple of fruit-and-nut energy bars and a bag of jellybeans.

                                                            This was for my sustenance and my daughter's; my husband, the above-mentioned camel, generally fends for himself. My daughter isn't supposed to eat peanuts or tree nuts, or I would have brought a bag of mixed nuts as well. Maybe next time I'll bring sunflower seeds.

                                                            1. re: jlafler

                                                              ;-)

                                                              recall crocodile dundee II where paul hogan, when confronted by some street thugs, says "you call that a knife?" <hauling out his big honker of a blade, smiles and says> "now that's a knife!" http://www.philosophyblog.com.au/imag...

                                                              with you, jlafler, i can say, "now that's a SNACK!"

                                                              1. re: jlafler

                                                                Now that is "snacking" after my own heart! Our carry-on luggage is usually half food. I like the Baby Bel idea.. better than the chunks of cheddar that tend to squish. Add rice crackers, hard boiled eggs, candied pecans, dried persimmons and apples, and celery sticks (for digestion) and we're pretty close.. though, there was that woman behind us who made gagging noises when we ate our hard boiled eggs. She's lucky I didn't bring a jar of kim chee.

                                                                After reading so many posts about this food-deprivation crankiness, I'm beginning to realise why I never have a problem with it: I'm always eating.

                                                                1. re: fromagina

                                                                  "She's lucky I didn't bring a jar of kim chee."

                                                                  or tuna. that's a surefire way to piss off your plane-mates. i learned that one the hard way.

                                                                  oops :)

                                                                    1. re: fromagina

                                                                      Or, Lord Help Us, McDonald's french fries. The stench can last for hours. Haven't these people heard of a turkey sandwich?

                                                                      1. re: RGC1982

                                                                        What IS it about those particular french fries? They do stink! My local grocery store is downwind from a McD's and it almost hits my gag reflex. something in the fat? A neighbor gave me a ride the other day and her car reeked of rancid french fries.. "But my kids love it!" shudder.. Why doesn't the local BK smell as bad? I'm not a franchise foodie so maybe I've not developed a taste for that intense stink.

                                                                        1. re: fromagina

                                                                          Until 1990, they were fried in rendered beef tallow with a little bit of added vegetable oil. Then they switched to all vegetable oil with added "natural flavor" to make them taste beefy. Eric Schlosser talks about this in "Fast Food Nation." Here's the relevant exerpt:

                                                                          http://www.rense.com/general7/whyy.htm

                                                                          After I read this book a few years ago I became much more suspicious of the term "natural flavor."

                                                                          1. re: fromagina

                                                                            Mikky-D's fries used to be made from potatoes, oil, and salt. Now their ingredient list as about 40-things long.

                                                                      2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                        Canned tuna is like poison to me. If I walk into a room where canned tuna has been within the past two hours I retch. I don't know why this is -- I'm not over-sensitive to any other food smell (there are plenty I don't particularly like, but it doesn't get anywhere near the same reaction.) My husband and I had to have this conversation before I would move in with him:

                                                                        Me: One thing. While we live in the same house, you cannot eat tuna from a can.

                                                                        Him: Never? (His eyes switch to the left, as if looking for a way out). Ever?

                                                                        Me: (Sensing that I'm loosing him forever) Okay. Here are the ground rules. You can HAVE tuna in the house, in un-opened cans, but if you open the can, you must eat it all or dispose of any uneaten part of it in the outside trash can. You can do this on days when I'm working and won't be back for at least two hours. Then you must open the windows, brush your teeth and take a shower. DO NOT tell me when you do it, and make sure that I don't find out. Then you can eat tuna.

                                                                        Him: (Eyes brightening.) Okay then.

                                                                        He only slipped up a few times. Eventually, I introduced him to tuna salad made from fresh grilled Ahi, which I have no problem with - even I'll eat that. If only every marital dispute could be solved so easily.

                                                            2. Oh boy!!! Not only do I get extremely cranky, so do both my girls. It's like Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde. I start off slightly grumpy, then get really shaky, pale, nauseas, then downright mean. I can always tell when the kids need some food. Little mini me's...they even get so hungry they reject what ever food is offered to them. Then they eat a couple bites and they're back to themselves.

                                                              1. No. Luckily, DH and I are remarkably sane when hungry. If we're really hungry, we just feel a bit weak, and that's about it. But I did have the pleasure of dating somebody for many years with this whole blood sugar thing. It was kind of scary -- and this hunger thing created a vicious cycle. I remember we were in Montreal once and I wanted to go to Schwartz's for some smoked meat. As he didn't eat red meat, he got all crabby on me because he was hungry. I asked him if he wanted to go elsewhere, and that I'd just get a sandwich to go. He said he would go to Schwartz's. I told him that there were other things he could eat -- chicken, french fries, etc. Because he was b*tchy, he got all difficult like a spoiled brat and refused to eat anything, saying he just didn't feel like it. He just b*tched and moaned during my meal, and on the long walk back to our hotel. I kept telling him to pick up something, even if it's a candy bar. So instead of picking up a candy bar and stopping this terrible cycle, he just let it continue, ruining my meal and making me all b*tchy!

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                                                                  1. re: fromagina

                                                                    Yes. Crabbiness is quite contagious! But I have to say my story can't beat your story of having your friend bite you! : )

                                                                    1. re: Miss Needle

                                                                      Luckily there were no permanent scars and frankly, it was a good lesson for me.. LISTEN! I was so disgustingly healthy back then that I hadn't a clue as to bloodsugar imbalances.

                                                                  2. re: Miss Needle

                                                                    Uggh, even I'm not that bad. Buck up buddy and freakin' pick something. WTH???

                                                                  3. When they're dithering and debating too long about where and when we're going to eat, my friends and family have become alert to a certain tone that enters my voice. It means: FEED ME RIGHT F***ING NOW!!! And they know better than to keep dithering...

                                                                    It's a blood sugar thing. No, really!

                                                                    1. Kind of, yes. :) But in my defence, if I don't eat soon enough after getting hungry, I get headaches that persist even after I've eaten. And if that happens, well, crabs for everyone.

                                                                      1. i don't get crabby when i am hungry. but when i am hungry and do not realize it then i actually get very tired. and usually after i eat, i am back to my normal self.

                                                                        1. I get very nausaus if I've gone too long without eating..I recognize my body NEEDS something right away..this usually creeps up on me as I'm bad at not eating anything until mid afternoon-then it will hit me hard.
                                                                          If I need to calm major hunger pangs in anticipation of a great meal later, a glass of V8 is great!

                                                                          1. with the dithering crowds, command decisions must be made. (like the third person effect?)

                                                                            1. OMG. so crabby. fortunately my family knows, my DH knows, his friends, my friends... feed her or she bites! lol

                                                                              1. My personality switch when hungry for too long is legendary among those who've witnessed it... so I snack a lot. Like another poster, I've experienced the 'so disoriented I can't decide what to eat so I'm not hungry anymore [but now even crankier]' phenomenon- that's when someone should force-feed us a granola bar! On that note, I've always thought that the stereotype about bitchy models is misunderstood- the 90% of them who aren't genetic beanpoles aren't mean, they're just flippin' starving all the time!

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                                                                                1. re: Smorgasbord

                                                                                  re: the models...there's a tv or movie joke/line about that. i wish i could remember where i saw it!

                                                                                2. Yup. I have hypoglycemia and have had since I was a baby. Parents learned early on to pack snacks or suffer the wrath of my temper tantrums. My mom used to say "If she's fussy, just give her some food, and she'll be the happiest baby ever".

                                                                                  I'll actually get crabby, and then faint, if I don't eat every few hours. I always bring food with me, even if it's just some trail mix or a granola bar.

                                                                                  1. Here's a slight twist -- I can get pretty crabby if I'm hungry for dinner and dinner isn't around the corner (or we haven't figured out something yet), but I don't get too irritated if I'm hungry for breakfast or lunch. I suspect a lot of this has to do with conditioning.

                                                                                    Also, just to add another data point, I'm a guy and I completely cannot relate to the stereotype of guys who "forget" to eat. Forget?! That's like forgetting to breathe.

                                                                                    I do have a friend (male), skinny little guy, who is very much a "MUST EAT RIGHT NOW!" person when he's hungry. Honestly, it can be a little inconvenient if we're out and I'd like to push through the hunger to find a chow-worthy experience, while he just wants to slam anything (preferably sugary) down his gullet right-that-very-minute.

                                                                                    1. YES,YES,YES!!!!!!!!! And I don't think I ever skipped a meal in my life!
                                                                                      The problem with me is that I become very weak and start complaining, with a teary eye, etc.Hubby gets angry sometimes, but after 20 years he should get used to it, right? Doctor says I am healthy, so I don't know what's going on. I guess since I remember,food is the only thing I think about all the time, it's always been extremely important to me, and I always had major cravings for certain things. And I will not be satisfied with a snack like a candy bar (actually I hate sweats when I am hungry-it has to be savory) or potato chips type thing. It has to be a real meal.
                                                                                      BTW, hubby is one of you guys that lives on one meal a day (dinner) and is perfectly happy.

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                                                                                      1. re: polish_girl

                                                                                        I have learned to eat small meals throughout the day to keep from getting this way, but when life does become truly annoying and I am ready to do something really drastic or chew someone out (metaphorically of course) I stop and think.... when DID I last eat?

                                                                                        And what is with these people who say "I forgot to eat". I used to work in an office with Mr. Cheflambo ....he is a very focused person, and I would often have to interrupt him to ask if he wanted lunch. On days when I was not in the office, and he came home and started griping about anything and everything (while diving into a box of CheezIts), I would ask him "did you miss lunch today?" Most often the answer was "yes". That's when I put on my best "Jewish mother" accent and tell him "eat something ... you'll feel better." I also tried to make sure there were at least some snack type items in the office cupboard, and when I moved on to another job, I asked the other guys in the office to try to make sure he doesn't skip lunch too often. It doesnt always work, but I can always tell when he's hungry.

                                                                                      2. I don't WANT to be cranky, but at least once a week lunch time comes late, and I start snapping at the wife and kids, and I even know WHY I'm doing it. So mostly, when I think it's going to start happening I grab a couple crackers or some little snack. Otherwise, I spend all day apologizing for being a cranky bear.
                                                                                        I'm sure that at some point someone will diagnose me with something horrible concerning this, which won't make me any more agreeable.

                                                                                        1. before going out with hubby for the first time, I made and sent him a list: "Ten Rules for Dating Susan".

                                                                                          Rule Number One: Feed me dinner before eight. Or live to regret it (and the date). If you can't get a dinner reservation in time to get the appetizer served before eight pm; be prepared with a snack....

                                                                                          (and yes, a snack needs to be substantial; see jlafler's description of what constitutes a snack, below).

                                                                                          As I learned the hard way on a camping trip with friends a few years ago, get a few drinks in hubby and he will share the other nine rules too. Good for campfire entertainment. :-)

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                                                                                          1. re: susancinsf

                                                                                            when DH and I were first a couple, we were traveling and it took him too long to feed me. I share Susan's temper when hungry (frankly I think I may be worse than her!), and when he finally stopped at a burger joint I was too perturbed to wait in the line. So DH patiently waited for me and brought me back my requested cheeseburger. And I promply lit into him for having the audacity to bring me back one with mustard. I felt that he had watched me order burgers enough to know that if there is one thing I can't stand its mustard on burgers. But apparently it hadn't sunk in.

                                                                                            DH was amazed at the degree of my temper....which didn't subside until I had eaten several handfuls of fries and downed most of a strawberry shake (I refused to eat the cheeseburger). Later that evening we joined the family at an event, and he told the story to some of my family members (much to my chagrin). He was amazed that in six or so months together that was the first major disagreement we had endured...over a cheeseburger. Sister B just looked at him and said "How long had it been since Janet had eaten when this fight occurred? You should know by now NEVER to let Janet get hungry...."

                                                                                            So I guess this little problem is not unknown to those who know me well.......

                                                                                            1. re: janetofreno

                                                                                              So this is a VERY common thing, I think. My notoriously carbophobic SIL, who is terminally cranky anyway, was IMPOSSIBLE while on her diet. Its obvious that a lack of carbohydrates causes MAJOR mood swings in some people. I tried to make sure that I was well nourished when I had to spend time with her, so that my tolerance level was OK. Otherwise, it would be a close encounter of the homicidal kind.

                                                                                              1. re: Cheflambo

                                                                                                I tried the South Beach Diet a few years ago. The program starts with NO carbs: no starches, no fruit, no sweets. For 2 weeks. By day 9, I was homicidal. I'm sure being premenstrual did not help. Went to shopping and bought every candy the store had.

                                                                                                We're all safer if I'm a little chubby and happy than skinny and murderous.

                                                                                                1. re: RoxyB

                                                                                                  The very reason I can't do South Beach. I am a tried and true Weight Watcher girl as I can eat regular food but am always in search of high fiber breads with low point count. Total carb junkie!!

                                                                                            1. my husband gets crabby; i get hyper. the longer i go w/o food the more hyper i get which i attribute to screwed up body chemistry b/c of past disordered eating.

                                                                                              1. In my younger years, I got terribly cranky and vocal when I was hungry as well as light headed. Anyone who knew me could tell immediately that I needed to eat. As I grew older, my behavior changed in a dangerous way. I got quiet and withdrawn when I needed to eat. After passing out once, I was diagnosed with "extreme reactive hypoglycemia." My body puts out too much insulin in response to carbohydrates. Now I eat small meals (including some protein) every four hours to keep my blood sugar level and limit carbohydrates.

                                                                                                1. A few replies have mentioned indecisiveness. I'm a college instructor and often have students in my night classes who haven't eaten since breakfast. I beg them to eat something during the break I give them and sometimes provide snacks during exams. I've seen low blood sugar impact performance to the point that I was bringing granola bars each week for one student who hadn't eaten since 5am and our class got out at 10pm!

                                                                                                  1. My husband says I'm at my most lethal when I'm tired and hungry. He also gets cranky when he doesn't eat. We're very lucky we don't let it get to a critical point that often.

                                                                                                    1. So very crabby. And then more crabby if the food I finally get is bad. And, please, don't even try reaching across my plate when I finally do get something edible-- I will stab you with whatever I happen to have in my hand.

                                                                                                      1. Low-blood sugar and dehydration combine to make me sick, and the longer I go without eating the worse it gets until I get miserably ill and just want to lie down in a darkened room and die, so naturally I try to avoid that situation if at all possible... but DH can go all day without even thinking about food. He does get cranky if he's really hungry, but not until he's missed two meals in a row... it can make things a little awkward when we're travelling but we've come to an agreement - if I say 'I need to stop and eat', I mean I need it NOW, not in three hours time...

                                                                                                        1. I get very crabby when I miss a meal - especially around lunchtime.

                                                                                                          My brother, on the other hand, gets positively rabid. I'm not sure he'd ever bite me, as another person experienced, but he turns into an absolute PITA and will demand a snack stop when he starts feeling the effects. His energy level also plumments.

                                                                                                          My brother is 28 now but I remember when he was about 11 he passed out while on a fishing trip with my uncle. The doctor suspected hypoglycemia, but he has never had another fainting spell since. I have always wondered if that early episode is related to how he is now.

                                                                                                          1. I am sending this thread to my fiance he will crack up.

                                                                                                            I get really cranky when I am hungry, but it isn't all that often that I am really hungry. Some days I will forget to eat lunch because I will be busy at work, somedays I will eat yogurt for lunch and be good till dinner. Other days I want a huge lunch and dinner, or am just really hungry for dinner. I tend to only eat when I am hungry and drink a lot so I don't mix up being thirsty for hungry or get dehydrated which I tend to do easily. And I tend to feel sick quickly when I am dehydrated so that is even worse.

                                                                                                            But when I do get hungry I am really hungry and really not happy and lose any of the patience I have. Fiance used to get mad and tell me I need to pack a granola bar or something in my purse, then he realized if I was cranky due to hunger, that it was more than a granola bar would fix, it requires a meal, a large meal, to the point people who don't know me well will be shocked.

                                                                                                            So now if I start getting cranky or tell him I am really hungry he is like stop everything we are doing and get her food now. If we are close to home he will ask what I would like to do and offer to stop somewhere close so I don't have to be hungry for all the time it takes to cook something I want. He now jokes about it, which is good. Since it doesn't happen often he takes it more seriously it is less you need to plan and more oh I haven't fed you in a while let me take care of that.

                                                                                                            But we never eat or are hungry at scheduled times. And Fiance snacks a lot so I think he doesn't get hunger pangs as vividly as I do, but I think he requires eating more often than I do. Normally it all works out, traveling is when it gets tricky because then we have to both eat at set times and traveling in general just sends my digestive system into disarray.

                                                                                                            And I am with Mrs. T- I am definitely lethal if I am tired AND hungry. At that point Fiance will just not talk to me and feed me and hope I become at least bearable. But if niether food nor sleep are possible soon he will often joke to make me smile. He really is a dear. And he at least is cranky when he is tired so that makes me feel a little better. But yeah at that point you don't even want to look at me and unless you are him you probably want to avoid any interaction with me, but I definitely give off that vibe at that point. I am sure when tired and hungry you could look at me from quite a distance and see the ***** vibe oozing out.

                                                                                                            1. Oh my yes. Actually, I get migraines if I skip meals or wait too late to eat. But like other people have mentioned, the worse I feel, the less I want to eat. Vicious circle.

                                                                                                              1. I get very crabby, as does my sister and my niece. The 3 of us were on a car trip with my SO and my sister's SO. I said I was hungry, my niece replied, me too. And my sister then agreed. And immediately the two guys were scanning out the window desparately looking for a place to eat. Neither wanted a car full of crabby wimin.

                                                                                                                I will eventually progress from crabby to nauseous and even to vomiting...lovely on an empty stomach. The best thing at that point is a high sugar food that is easy to digest.

                                                                                                                1. It's dependent on who you're asking and when. If you ask me, I'd quickly deny being extra-snarky when I'm hungry. My body does loudly announce otherwise (loud stomach-grinding girgles, whining whimpers, noisy lip-smacking are just some auditory symptoms) especially if a bakery is blasting their fans into the oncoming foot traffic. SWMBO, all three of my daughter-units, and my MIL all vigorously avoid me when I've missed a meal. Go figure.

                                                                                                                  1. Oh yeah, very crabby. And don't even suggest a candy bar or something sweet, that is I mean if you don't want to lose your head.
                                                                                                                    I need something really good to eat then, even if it's a salad.

                                                                                                                    1. Yes! My fiance can go all day without eating, and so he doesn't understand that I get really woozy when I don't have breakfast. It can also trigger headaches/migraines for me if I don't eat for a long period of time. It can be frustrating when he doesn't understand, but I know he doesn't do it on purpose.

                                                                                                                      Sometimes I have to eat an apple if I'm going with other people to dinner just in case it's a while before we eat and I haven't eaten in a while, otherwise I get anxious and woozy.

                                                                                                                      1. Geesh. I'm one of those insufferable people who has no problem identifying this kind of thing in others, but who is competely oblivious when it comes to figuring it out for myself. I've had emplyees who have gotten cranky and uncooperative, and one of the first questions I ask is "When did you eat last?" In many cases I'm met with stares of incomprehension, so I sit them down in the break room, get them a bottle of water (dehydration being one of the other things that causes this behavior) and go make them a little something. I never ask what they want -- in a kitchen we all quickly get to know eachother's likes and dislikes), but I will make sure someone brings it to them and makes them eat it. Other people are easy. Me? Another story alltogether.

                                                                                                                        I don't "forget" to eat. I think about cooking and eating all of the time, but I guess I'm actually focussed on "other people" eating all the time. There are days - even multiple days in a row, when I don't eat a single meal. A bite here, a bite there. Eventually I realize that my decision-making process isn't working quite right, and that my creativity is on the fritz, which makes it impossible for me to decide what, exactly, I have any desire to eat. So I don't want anything. I think I might get cranky at that point. Which is ridiculous, because I've got some great food here. At that point I realize that I'm freaking starving and haven't had protein (no less a decent meal) in a few days. Sometimes the only thing I can do is go to a restaurant where I know the chef and say "Just bring me something."

                                                                                                                        This has always baffled and disturbed me. It wasn't until reading this thread that I twigged to what my problem is -- and have some better ideas about how to prevent it from happening again. Thanks, 'Hounds!

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                                                                                                                        1. re: chefbeth

                                                                                                                          "There are days - even multiple days in a row, when I don't eat a single meal."

                                                                                                                          does. not. compute. does. not. compute. does not compute. doesnotcomputedoesnotcomputedoesnotcompute. hey! shut me down, will ya?!

                                                                                                                          1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                            Hah! I get ya, alka! It doesn't make any sense to me either -- but it seems to happen alot anyway. Like I said, I get so wrapped up in what other people are eating (or what I want them to eat) that the idea of feeding myself becomes an afterthought. I'll obsess for an entire day about what brilliant five-course meal I want to create for a client, do the shopping, the prep, then serve it and clean up -- then get home to find that I've got no energy left to cook for me. You'd think I'd be forward thinking enough to just set aside a portion for myself, but it never works that way. I'm so focused on the event itself that I don't even consider taking any food home with me. I guess I eat vicariously -- and once the guests are sated, the praise is in, the bill paid and the dishes are done, I'm over that particular meal. I'm already thinking about the next meal I want to make for another client. I'll have a glass of wine and go to bed.

                                                                                                                            I have learned that, for me at this point in my life, breakfast is the most important meal of the day. My breakfasts are rather elaborate (but how complicated can breakfast be?). Tea, fruit, filled omelette or poached eggs (btw, the best advice I ever got on how to poach an egg came from CHOW, and it has never failed me, whether doing an egg or two for myself or for 150 people -- and it didn't come from the video, but from one of the posters), toast or English Muffin. Breakfast is really the only time I sit down and eat. But three days out of seven, I'm in too much of a hurry to do so.

                                                                                                                        2. completely me! and I have a camel for a husband; he says it came from being in the military. He is slowly learning to check whether I have eaten...

                                                                                                                          I had a nutritionist say I had reactive hypoglycemia, and a doctor tell me there is no such thing... But I did have a file drawer full of food when I was still working :-)

                                                                                                                          After 2 months in Israel, I am learning that just eating won't do it - you also have to have enough to drink!

                                                                                                                          1. My fiance and I are very different when it comes to food. He can eat or not eat, and it really doesn't change his mood at all. I'm super jealous of him! When I was younger, I was able to go the whole day from breakfast till dinner without something to eat. Sure, I'd get kinda crabby, but nothing like I am now.

                                                                                                                            In the last 5 or 6 years its progressively become worse - It started out with just feeling crabby and irritable, but I would eat something and it would POOF go away. I've never been a breakfast person - only over the last year do I wake up hungry. Now it's just HORRIBLE. I'm hungry in the morning, and if I don't eat something before lunch I become so sick and weak that I can't eat anymore. It makes me not just crabby, but physically ill. I've actually vomitted from not eating, which makes no sense to me considering the fact that there is nothing in my stomach.

                                                                                                                            If I get to the point of becoming REALLY sick and weak, I force myself to eat something, even just a couple of bites, and the nausea will eventually disappate. Once the nausea is gone, I can continue with eating a whole meal. This is seriously one of the most horrible things to deal with - I mean, I LOVE sleep, and I sometimes don't wake up in time to have breakfast. Now I kinda have to force myself to get up early and at least have a bowl of cereal.

                                                                                                                            One thing I've discovered helps with hunger throughout the day is PROTEIN. Snacks or meals with carbs will satisfy your hunger for a while, but when the hunger comes back I'm in real trouble because my hunger is even worse than before, at least for me. Carbs also make my energy level crash at about 10:00 AM or 2:00 PM if I only have carbs for breakfast or lunch. I've found that protein helps my energy level and makes me feel full for longer. Although I'm not a fan of chicken, having chicken on a salad for lunch can make all the difference when the dinner hunger pangs come around. Peanut Butter is also a great snack option - even those cheap peanut butter crackers you can get in vending machines help me from getting sick. I keep peanut butter and apples at my work - what a great snack!

                                                                                                                            Does anyone else get physically ill like I do?

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                                                                                                                            1. re: spcebaby

                                                                                                                              lol...just yesterday I began to get nauseous, and then realized it had been at least six hours since my last meal....

                                                                                                                              1. re: spcebaby

                                                                                                                                What on Earth makes you go without eating food until you get thaaaaat hungry? Don't be a fool and waste your time starving. Instead, go and have some food - some fruits or even snacks - good for your body as well.

                                                                                                                                Starving and going for long periods of time without food It's not something to be proud of - the people doing it are harming their own body on purpose, with full knowledge. You shouldn't be jealous of them.

                                                                                                                                Its great that as you grew, you are able to recognize the signs your body is sending you(like when your are hungry, even when asleep) better, so be glad and cater to those needs. Why waste time on trying to curtail those calls and stress out trying to contain your hunger while you could be doing something more productive instead if you just go get some damn food and focus on other stuff?

                                                                                                                              2. Yes.
                                                                                                                                Also when I am satiated.

                                                                                                                                1. I don't necessarily become crabby, but there comes a point when I can't concentrate on doing anything else unless I eat first. So I do become somewhat debilitated. I get pretty bad hunger pangs. I work shift work (about to finish a midnight-8:30 am shift right now!) so I can eat at all times of the day or night. I usually wake up very hungry.

                                                                                                                                  1. OMG - yes! Reading this thread feels like being in a support group. :) My sister has recognized for years that the first step for me is I get quiet and unfocused. She immediately starts looking for food. My husband (who can go all day without eating) doesn't notice a thing. He also doesn't seem to notice when I say "I have to eat NOW!". So I keep Luna bars and nuts with me at all times. I also always have my "adult sippy cup" full of water with me, since I noticed that the less hydrated I am the more lethargic I am. My doctor doesn't think it's worth testing for hypoglycemia and just recommends eating every 3 hours, including protein in each meal. Seems to work. I am also a carbaholic (currently trying to up my protein, lower my cards). Wonder if it's all related?

                                                                                                                                    1. "My husband (who can go all day without eating) doesn't notice a thing. He also doesn't seem to notice when I say "I have to eat NOW!".

                                                                                                                                      divamac, i think it is a man thing. i don't know of any woman (save one on this thread, the nice personal chef), who can go all day without eating. and....is oblivious to those loved ones who are (subtly -- and not subtly) saying they need to eat. for future reference to you oblivi-ites: when we say we'd like to get something to eat, we are not referring to some indefinite date in the future!!

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                        I have to eat something every three or four hours. Might just be a piece of fruit or a few crackers, a handful of nuts, but something. If not I get headachy and shaky. My blood sugar is fine, no history of diabetes in my family, but I know how it feels when my blood sugar is really dropping. I try to eat a little something before it gets too bad. My SO can go all day without eating a thing and he's fine, so maybe there's something to the gender difference.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                          I know girls (in like their teens-twenties) that skip lunch or breakfast or both on most days! Maybe in an effort to lose weight? I don't know. Only that I would never survive!

                                                                                                                                        2. I fixed a very nice meal last night. I hadn't eaten much, all day. As soon as we sat down SO picked up the pepper grinder and I said (in a not too pleasant voice), "don't put pepper on that without tasting it!" That didn't help... she was furious with me, and I with her.

                                                                                                                                          1. Good Lord, yes!! I get headaches and a little dizzy if I go more than 2 hours without eating anything so I always have snacks with me. Any longer than that and I'm like that plant in Little Shop of Hours. Feeeed Meeeee Seymourrrrrr!!!!

                                                                                                                                            1. ok, time for REVIVAL!

                                                                                                                                              new hound amyamelia inspired me on another thread, and she knows the right term for this phenomenon: GRUMPY + B*TCHY= GRITCHY.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                I'm not crabby when I'm hungry. But I'm hardly ever hungry. I guess I graze.

                                                                                                                                                I have a friend who gets so cranky, it can be embarrassing when we eat out. I've always blamed it on his (huge) sense of entitlement. Good to know it's got another source.

                                                                                                                                              2. My hunger pangs, when not appeased quickly, turn into a very "speedy" condition that some people would translate as crabby. (Some might call it homicidal.) I generally keep a bowl of tuna salad on hand to throw onto some wheat bread when hunger calls; 20 minutes later it's all good.
                                                                                                                                                Mr. can go all the livelong day on many cups of black coffee and then eat a gargantuan dinner that lasts till bedtime, what with snacks and all. Me, I can't overload like that or eat so late into the evening. I'm a grazer, I guess; there always needs to be something in there for me to run off of. If I tried to go all day sans food, my guess is that by nightfall I'd be locked up somewhere for something. : )

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                  >>>>>"""a very "speedy" condition that some people would translate as crabby. (Some might call it homicidal.)"""<<<
                                                                                                                                                  ~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                  you say po-TAY-to, i say po-TAH-to.........

                                                                                                                                                2. Crabby (okay, bitchy), nauseated, tired, and ironically, I often have no appetite once a certain window has passed and I have to force myself to eat something. I'm a real peach.

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                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                                                                                                    I'm the same way...I'll get superbusy, realize I'm hungry, ignore it to get whatever done, then I'm not hungry. But I know that DH will suffer if I don't eat SOMETHING, so often times, it's the vending machine to the rescue.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: LeoLioness

                                                                                                                                                      Yep, that's me. My son has the same problem, only worse. He says he doesn't know what most people experience as hunger, since in him, it's just nausea.

                                                                                                                                                    2. not me, i'm a ray of sunshine no matter what.

                                                                                                                                                      actually, i don't get cranky, but i rarely skip a meal. on the weekends sometimes we don't eat BF/Lunch until 1 or 2, but the rest of the time i always have something in my belly. And yeah, the BF is one who can eat a lettuce leaf for bfast ("just to have something in my stomach") or like HALF a croissant (i've found the other halves in the car - who eats HALF of something they went out and bought??) and then eat nothing until dinner. then there's the snacking afterwards. i really hate when he makes me bfast on weekends and then doesn' t want to eat it himself! because he's not hungry in the morning. i make him, of course.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                        half a croissant?? that's mental illness. ;-).

                                                                                                                                                        and heck, if he makes breakfast and doesn't want to eat it, just count yourself lucky that you get breakfast *and* a snack for later.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                          hah! like "I" could eat half a breakfast!

                                                                                                                                                      2. I'm crabby on a good day, fully fed. When hungry, I'm seriously unpleasant.

                                                                                                                                                        I need food. I'm not a girl who doesn't eat. I wake up starving every day. I have friends who "forget" to eat. How do you forget to eat? My husband never eats. He can go all day. I don't get it. I'm on my third meal, and he's not hungry yet.

                                                                                                                                                        So now I'm dieting. This must be hell. Since starting this experiment, I've been living on salad, spinach, tomatoes, egg whites, fat free Feta, and whole wheat tortillas - with the occasional piece of baked cod, chicken or tuna thrown in as well.

                                                                                                                                                        So far, I've gained three pounds.

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                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Whinerdiner

                                                                                                                                                          try weight watchers, my sister has lost 40 pounds since summer, but gets to eat lots of fruits and veggies, as well as a decent amount of protein. it is potatoes, rice, bread, pasta and the like that really gets lopped off. and she cheats with her martinis.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Whinerdiner

                                                                                                                                                              i think she was better at being "good" at the beginning of her diet. but she definitely deserves the martinis. ;-)).

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                              I highly second this. I am on Weight Watchers, have been since January and have lost 30 pounds. I still eat the things I love (Banh Mi for dinner last night) but have learned how to fit it in and still lose.

                                                                                                                                                              I have lost (albeit not always much) every week, and I can guarantee I have had wine every single one of those weeks. Unlike most other "diets", it shows you how to make smart choices, rather than go all or nothing, which is ultimately unsuatainable.

                                                                                                                                                              And, it's not cheating with martinis - you just have to account for them :)

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: CanadaGirl

                                                                                                                                                                I would like to try Weight Watchers-many years ago I tried it and really enjoyed the program. Back then you could basically buy a book to understand the plan and go from there. What is the best way to understand the new Weight Watchers? I have quickly looked at the web site but it seems like I have ti sign up even just to read about it. Would love some advice!

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: artychokeasana

                                                                                                                                                                  You can't just buy a book online or in a store - you do have to go in and sign up so they can give you all the material, or sign up online. You will also need to either purchase a special calculator from them or subscribe to their e-tools. The point calculations are way more complicated now because it takes into account fat, fibre, protein and carbs. I need the weekly meeting attendence to "keep me honest", so I buy a monthly pass for the meetings, which comes with the on-line points calculator (and iPhone app) included. If you don't want to do the whole deal, you could just go, sign up, and then never go back :)

                                                                                                                                                                  If you liked it many years ago, you'll LOVE it now. Vegetables (except the startchy ones) and fruit (except avocado) have 0 points, so it is easy to never be hungry. Not sure how long ago you went, but they also have 49 points that you can use over the week on top of your daily points. So, if you have a totally indulgent meal, it's not cheating - just use your points! I tend to use the points for wine, as a life without wine is one I don't want to live!!

                                                                                                                                                                  Feel free to ask if you need more info.

                                                                                                                                                          1. too reinforce the stereotype...im not bothered at all...i can all day and not eat...and be fine....
                                                                                                                                                            my wife on the other hand...yes i can always tell when she hasnt eaten in a while....

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: srsone

                                                                                                                                                              I'm going to reinforce the stereotype , too.

                                                                                                                                                              After we mountain bike for 4 hours or so, we go eat. If traffic, parking, or god forbid a hostess gets in the way of my eating within about 45 min after I get off the bike...Danna gets a little wild-eyed. The husband, at 240 lbs, you'd think would be the hungry one, but it doesn't seem to bother him, in fact , sometimes he's the damn dawdler....

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: srsone

                                                                                                                                                                I'll confess to rampant crankiness if I've been too long without food (and I am one of those people who truly does forget to eat - crazy, isn't it?). I know when it's happening, and rectify it, but it occasionally ramps up into stereotypical territory when there's *ahem* some marital dispute between Hub and me, and Hub pauses to say: "Um, when have you eaten last?" Apparently, he's under the impression that food eases disputes (which it may, in many cases, I suppose!). I imagine I could work it to my advantage: want a snack? Snark at the Hub. Presto! Snack appears! I'd hate to pull that one out though, as tempting as it sounds!

                                                                                                                                                              2. I get unreasonably grumpy! If I say I want to eat lunch, I mean NOW, not in an hour. I can't tell you how many times I have lost it when travelling with my husband when he resists eating when I've told him I'm hungry. He always wants to find "a better spot". Then he complains that I'm grumpy. Duhh!

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                                                                                                                                                                1. re: CanadaGirl

                                                                                                                                                                  you just have to learn NOT to be subtle with men driving the car. "i want to eat now" is the most direct approach. "Let's pull off at this exit."

                                                                                                                                                                  i've learned this over many years.....

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, I am definitely not subtle :) I have said to him "I am hungry and want to eat HERE" while standing in front of the restaurant and he will say he wants to keep looking! I have begun to just tell him that "I am eating here, now."

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: CanadaGirl

                                                                                                                                                                      try this one: "ok, you keep looking, and we can rendezvous back here in one hour, ok?" then go in. what is he looking FOR?

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think he knows! The funny thing is, I am actaully the one that is far more particular about what I eat. I think he's worried that if we eat, we'll turn the corner and find a spot that looks better.

                                                                                                                                                                        We have yet to do any significant travelling with our young sons, but they seem to have my "I want food and I want it now" perspective, so I guess soon there will be 3 of us giving him the same grumpy message.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: CanadaGirl

                                                                                                                                                                          ah, he is a perfectionist...fearful he is not reaching perfection in the food stop!

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                            I like to say he's just indecisive :)

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: CanadaGirl

                                                                                                                                                                              ok. i have to deal with that. i guess the bottom line is that when push comes to mushiness, i have to take matters into my own hands when my hunger and body chemistry are demanding attention. indecision is one thing, but it won't trump the moment.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: CanadaGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                Can't you do both; get a small bite of something that may not be so good just to tide you over while you join in a happy quest for what you really want?

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: saacnmama

                                                                                                                                                                                  Perhaps if he won't pick because he's looking for some perfect spot. He's just indecisive. I've just started ignoring his "let's keep looking" and either sitting to wait for a waiter or going to the counter (depending on restaurant).

                                                                                                                                                                  2. I do not at all. In fact, I'm generally even enough in most situations that it makes people irritated. My best friend and travel partner is a lunatic when her time to eat has passed. It's put us in interesting situations while traveling and food isn't available at that moment.
                                                                                                                                                                    It's kind of funny because once she eats or has some juice she's apologetic and sweet once again. Even funnier is that this girl is model-thin and eats like a hungry grizzly bear, haha!

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                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: alliegator

                                                                                                                                                                      That makes me wonder if the food freak-out is inversely proportional to body weight...at least to some degree?

                                                                                                                                                                      I went on a 60 mile road ride w 5300 ft of elevation gain on Saturday. My model-thin girlfriend pulled away from me on all the climbs...until she blew on the worst climb of the day. She slowly suffered home, even after we got some food in her, she lagged behind me. I suppose once you use up all your carbs, if there's no fat store to draw from...you're done.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: danna

                                                                                                                                                                        Hmmm, hard to say. I'm low on body fat and never experienced anything like this.
                                                                                                                                                                        I run a lot and some of my runner friends have described a "bonk" when your body just starts to consume it's stores, it sounds like what happend to your girl.
                                                                                                                                                                        That was quite a workout you both got though!!!

                                                                                                                                                                        As for my pal, we were worried she had blood sugar issues and she saw a doctor, all was fine. We just joke that she wants what she wants when she wants, lol.

                                                                                                                                                                    2. Definitely! My DBF calls it ''bucket of food syndrome'' -- he says he needs to keep a bucket of food nearby to throw to me when I get hungry!
                                                                                                                                                                      And we are DEFINITELY mis-matched when it comes to hunger. He could eat once a day and be fine... I need to eat on a regular schedule or I get cranky.

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                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: elnant

                                                                                                                                                                        i think we are reinforcing the stereotypes....
                                                                                                                                                                        women = yes
                                                                                                                                                                        men = not so much

                                                                                                                                                                        even snickers is in on it ..........

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: srsone

                                                                                                                                                                          I would know, my husband says I am crabby most of the time.

                                                                                                                                                                          I am a diabetic, and I do get a little frantic when I need to eat.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: srsone

                                                                                                                                                                            why are they stereotypes if this is what people are reporting about themselves? they may in fact be reflecting *reality*! men and women *are* different, and we can't ignore that.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                              some people dont recognize reality....

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: srsone

                                                                                                                                                                                too reinforce the stereotype...im not bothered at all...i can all day and not eat...and be fine....
                                                                                                                                                                                my wife on the other hand...yes i can always tell when she hasnt eaten in a while....

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                                                                                                                                                                                By srsone on Mar 24, 2011 11:23AM

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                  yes...but stereotype was mentioned in this thread long before i did.....

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                      People certainly can and do apply stereotypes to themselves!

                                                                                                                                                                        2. Seen this again and again with kids. My friend's daughter is diabetic and when her blood sugar goes down too low (which you can see on her monitor) she is a different child. She HAS to have something to eat and gets horribly uncooperative and will refuse to eat. Scary!

                                                                                                                                                                          Kids need to eat more frequently and seem to have a need for more balanced meals---some tend to hoover the carbs and avoid the protein-rich foods which prevent blood sugar drops. Everyone says that sugar makes kids hyper (not true) it's more that the lack of quality protein/fat makes them hyper, then they crash---becoming very annoying little creatures. I carried this trait on to adulthood---absolute bear if I'm too long without good nosh!

                                                                                                                                                                          1. Only when somebody promises me a meal and doesn't deliver, and especially if it's breakfast.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. I too suffer from the hungry = cranky issue. We call it "hangry" in our house; because of this word permutation, my husband finally knows how serious I am. It's only taken 15 years. And annoyingly, he can go forever without eating. It does tend to be worse for me when on a trip with no access to a kitchen. But that starts a whole other thing. Does anyone else, no matter how well you eat on a trip, really start to miss your kitchen after about 3-4 days away? I truly start to get anxious about not being able to cook.

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jawinfree

                                                                                                                                                                                i don't miss my kitchen so much as i miss my fridge! ;-).

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                  LOLOL at "hangry." LO VE that! My friend calls his baby "crappy" (crabby/happy) when she is sorta laughing but it could devolve into a really pissed off tantrum at any moment. VERY FUNNY

                                                                                                                                                                              2. First time my hubby started to get grumpy n' growly, no reason, F-I-L, said stop doing whatever, FEED him ... ! Well, I learnt THAT lesson well :) Strangely though, when he's deep into something, he can go for hrs but then gorges later. He says it's part of being a doc and being on the floor till patients are taken care of. As for me, recently have started to feel weakish n nauseous when food deprived too long but no sugar probs either? Strangely, my son gets cranky when he gets really sleepy!!

                                                                                                                                                                                1. My mother, son and I all do this when we are hungry or tired. My son and I talk about it openly without guilt or recrimination, but Mom seems to feel she's being accused of a horrible character weakness. Whatever Mom, just eat the toast I made for you while we're getting ready to go out to brunch. She's gotten more aware since having been diagnosed as prediabetic. For me the problem is forgetting to eat for so long that I don't want to eat, have to force myself to take the first bites. With my son, I'm trying to get him to do most of his eating at mealtimes rather than having 2 bites, claiming not to be hungry, and raiding the kitchen half an hour later.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: saacnmama

                                                                                                                                                                                    I hate it when I know I am starving but I don't want to eat and nothing sounds good. Not a happy place to be in. I know I know first world problems but still.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have learned that bananas are my friend. Portable healthy and energizing. And just one doesn't ruin my appetite when the restaurant is half an hour away.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: givemecarbs

                                                                                                                                                                                      I can only eat bananas if I have a very large glass of water. Otherwise I can't swallow.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Yes, I get crabby when hungry... I tend to get low blood sugar headaches that can turn into very bad migraines. If I miss lunch, I know I am in serious trouble. I usually try to keep a cliff bar or luna bar or almonds or something like that on me at all times just in case.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: IndyGirl

                                                                                                                                                                                      This sounds like what I would answer (I'm sure I had an almost identical reply a few years back). Lunch is the most important meal of my day. The lunch to ensure the rest of my day goes smoothly is a hamburger and a coke!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. No. But I do get crabby, when I am awakened every other hour on a trans-continental flight, and food is offered to me. "What, you could not see that I was sleeping on a 16 hour flight, where you fed me just two hours ago?"

                                                                                                                                                                                        Hunt

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. We call it hangry in our family. Hungry-anger.

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