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achtungpv Jun 2, 2008 03:59 PM

So, I'm headed to Luke AFB next week for a business trip and we like to partake in the local cuisine on our trips. For our PHX trip we've selected the Sonoran hot dog. WHere's the best location for one? We'll be staying in Glendale, so that side of town would be great! thanks!

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    Molto E Jun 2, 2008 05:24 PM

    this is the phone number of the folks that run the Nogales Hot Dog on Indian School, maybe they can point you in the right direction: 602-527-0208

    1. silverbear Jun 2, 2008 08:39 PM

      I'm not sure, but I don't think Nogales Hot Dog still operates at 20th & Indian School. The truck was in the parking lot of Guitar and Keyboard City, presumably with the store's permission. Since the store closed, I haven't seen the hot dog vendor any more.

      There are other locations of NHD mentioned in this New Times article:

      http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-07-01/news/where-s-the-bacon/

      See also this prior thread for some possibilities:

      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/444127

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      1. re: silverbear
        JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Jun 3, 2008 03:01 AM

        I pass by there nightly on my way home from work and can tell you they're definitely still there. They just haven't had the canopy up for a while. If my memory serves me correctly, they set up shop around 6 (they might push it back now that it's still hot then) and fold up around midnight.

        1. re: JK Grence the Cosmic Jester
          silverbear Jun 3, 2008 10:01 AM

          Good news. I'm glad they outlasted the store.

      2. themis Jun 3, 2008 11:25 AM

        As the board's token Luke person, I should probably put my two cents in :).

        There is a brand new dog place out by the base, NE corner of Litchfield Rd and McDowell -- it's right next to iSwirl, our new Korean yogurt place, which I really love. However, they mostly do Chicago style, and I don't know if they offer the Sonoran or if you could convince them that they (bold, caps) really need to put it on the menu (/bold, caps)!!

        Your best bet for Sonorans anytime in the valley is smack in Glendale, you lucky dogs. This will be an adventure, but I'm guaranteeing you success -- drive the stretch of Thomas Rd east-west between 43rd and 75th Ave. There are a couple of spots there that serve them, keep your eyes peeled. There's wall-to-wall licuado joints and birria and panaderias and carnicerias and mariscos down those blocks, and a big smile and two barely-remembered semesters of high school Espanol will net you some really good food.

        Less daunting, in the area between the base and where you're staying, is Tortas Paquime at Indian School and, hm, 99th Ave or so. This would make a good breakfast, lunch, or snack spot. Terrific Mexican pastries or breakfast sandwiches, Mexican ice cream (better than gelato --? Maybe; it's similar), and tortas for lunch. Very nice people.

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          achtungpv Jun 19, 2008 09:05 AM

          Didn't get a sonoran hot dog. Never had a good opportunity.

          Went to Valle Luna on Bell Sunday night. Had the house special Sonoran Enchilada and it was not a house I'd want to eat at again. Did Ajo Al's the next night and it was much, much better. Asked for it hot and for the first time ever the dish was actually extremely hot. I'd go back there definitely. Tried Beijing Cuisine a new place south of Luke. Too Americanized for my taste. Tried the Old Pueblo Cafe and it was decent. Had the green chili burrito and it was good but not enough green chilis. Went to Cucina Tagliani - just like any chain italian - overpriced and boring. Best was Taco Feliz on 7th I believe. 3 tacos and a coke for 5 bucks. My type of place. Maybe next time I"ll get to try a sonoran hot dog!

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          1. re: achtungpv
            Ed Dibble Jun 21, 2008 11:12 AM

            I'm interested in a couple of details about your meals.

            What was a Sonoran Enchilada? Was it a tortilla wrapped around filling or just a corn cake covered in sauce and cheese? Why didn't you like it?

            Also, what do you mean about not enough green chilis? Was it too meaty, too bland, too brown, or what?

            Please don't think I'm picking on you or questioning your judgments. I am just interested in how these dishes are prepared in the Glendale/Phx area.

            ed

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              achtungpv Jun 21, 2008 11:27 AM

              The sonoran enchilada was two masa breads (like for a tex mex gordita) with cheese, beans, and black olives sandwiched in between. It was covered in a bland tex mex style brown gravy and some cheese. no flavor whatsoever and didn't see anything like it on any other menu, probably for a reason.

              The burrito was tasty....stuffed with shredded beef, beans, cheese, and green chilis...however only half the burrito had green chilis. I guess they didn't spread them out evenly.

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                Ed Dibble Jun 22, 2008 10:30 AM

                Thanks so much for the reply. As near as I can tell sonoran enchiladas (also called patty enchiladas or enchiladas del piso) are very traditional among the long-time Mexican/Americans in Arizona (and maybe Sonora Mex as well). Basically poor people's food: corn cakes covered with sauce and cheese and toppings. Clearly the quality depends on how good the sauce is, since it is the sauce that supplies most of the flavor. I recently mentioned them in a post at mmm-yoso, with a photo of a good example found in Yuma AZ.

                http://mmm-yoso.typepad.com/mmmyoso/2...

                Green chili is another interest of mine. Here in Yuma, it is usually a meat stew (pork or beef, depending on the chef), so it would have an integral sauce. Some of them have chunks of green chile, some don't. Some are very spicy, some aren't. Some use tomatillos, some don't. The variations of style fascinate me.

                Thanks again for the info. Good luck on the hot dog next trip!

                ed

                1. re: Ed Dibble
                  johnseberg Jun 22, 2008 11:28 AM

                  Ed,

                  I've been sticking with my tried and true Mexican restaurants, in Phoenix, lately, so, there might be a lot more Sonoran Enchiladas out there, that I don't know about. The only ones I've run across were at Rosita's Fine Mexican Food in Tempe and Mesa. I have to say that they were not my favorites. The corn was too thick and tough, for my taste. I was hoping for a more tender consistency.

                  As far as Green Chile, I've had all of the above. I'm surprised that most is not very spicy. IMO.

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                  Rosita's Fine Mexican Food
                  960 W University Dr, Tempe, AZ 85281

                  Rosita's Fine Mexican Food
                  2023 W Guadalupe Rd, Mesa, AZ 85202

                  1. re: johnseberg
                    Ed Dibble Jun 23, 2008 10:07 AM

                    John, thanks for the response. You'd probably like the ones at Viejo Loco in Yuma, as they are very tender.

                    I honestly haven't thought about "sonoran enchiladas" for a long time, but when I encountered the enchiladas del piso at Viejo Loco, I talked about them with the chef/owner, and he explained that they were very traditional in his Sonoran family. That reminded me of Canon Fowler's ancient posts here at CH about Sonoran food in Tucson in the 30s and 40s.

                    It's possible that they are more common here than I know, because I, like you, have my standard rotation of restaurants, so it's not like I've been searching menus throughout the town to discover more of them.

                    It's possible that the tough ones you encountered might well be deep fried. In fact, I believe one place in Yuma uses sope patties for the corn meal part of the dish. I will have to check. Perhaps I should start an entire separate post on them, since the title of this post wouldn't alert anyone to the discussion about sonoran enchiladas.

                    ed

                    1. re: Ed Dibble
                      EWSflash Jul 4, 2008 08:07 AM

                      Your Sonoran enchiladas sound gross- and not at all typical of what I grew up with here in Tucson. I've yet to have really good, Sonoran-like-I'm-used-to Mexican food anywhere in the Phoenix area, but to be fair I have never eaten in Guadalupe.

          2. mrbigshotno.1 Jun 30, 2008 06:41 PM

            You Won't get a good sonoran dog north of Tucson. Do your next trip To Davis-Monthan AFB and you will get all you can handle.

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            1. re: mrbigshotno.1
              JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Jun 30, 2008 11:22 PM

              Have you had any Sonoran style dogs up here in Phoenix?

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