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zegmal May 29, 2008 04:04 PM

Last night a friend was in town from NYC and we decide to do takeout. After several disappointing experiences years ago with Thai in Santa Monica, I've avoided it like the plague. For whatever reason--brain fart--I decided to try again. This board turned up nothing promising so I found a restaurant called Lattitude Thai that got good reviews on Yelp.

The food was simply brutal. The beef in the beef salad was chewy and nearly inedible. The eggplant was so undercooked that it was crunchy. The curry was passable but lacked depth and was watery.

Why is it is so hard to find good Thai in Santa Monica? Yes, rents are more expensive, but there are plenty of good Indian restaurants and Mexican too. If anyone knows the owners of some of the better Thai places east of here can you please please beg them to open up an outpost here?

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    Ernie Jun 10, 2008 10:42 PM

    Not in Santa Monica proper, but about 5 miles away I like Naraya on S Robertson. They do interesting and delicious Thai fusion dishes with quality ingredients. Intimate modern space and gracious service as well, I think you and your friend from NYC would enjoy it

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    Naraya Thai
    1128 S Robertson Blvd, Los Angeles, CA

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      KaceyLaine Jun 10, 2008 02:41 PM

      I too live in Santa Monica. Whenever we want Thai, we take a trip down the California Incline to PCH, up towards Malibu and land at Cholada (a.k.a. "Thai Beach Cuisine"). It's a beautiful drive that only takes about 10 minutes from SM.

      I've never been disappointed by Cholada. In fact, I actually prefer it to many of the places that I've been in Thai Town. Their staples (coconut soup, yellow curry, pad thai, gai koa, pad-see-ew, etc.) are all EXCELLENT. I also really like the "Curry Powder Shrimp" dish off the Chef's Special section of the menu.

      The restaurant has a casual atmosphere and a fun beachy vibe. It's a great "sweat pants" type place, but also fun for dates.

      http://www.choladathaicuisine.com/cho...

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        wooster Jun 10, 2008 04:55 PM

        Agreed on Cholada. I love it and it's vibe. Go around Sunset if you can.

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          ElJeffe Jun 10, 2008 09:58 PM

          Sorry, I've got to disagree. Cholada is average at best. It failed both the basic paad see ew and basil chicken test. Despite the buzz and celebrity factor, this is not the place for Thai enthusiasts.

          I understand the rent issue but downtown San Francisco, also with high rents, has SUPERB Thai dotted all over the city. In 10+ tries I haven't had 1 Thai meal on the West Side that would even be considered above average in SF. (sigh)

          At least we have Koreatown and the SGV!

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            susancinsf Jun 10, 2008 10:20 PM

            hmm...the only Thai restaurant in downtown SF that I can think of that comes close to suberb is Thai House Express, so I'd love to see posts if there are others (on the SF Board).

            And while I don't think Thai Boom is the best in LA by any means, I consider both it and Ayara Thai, both on the west side, to be well above average by SF (city proper) standards.

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              epop Jun 11, 2008 04:39 PM

              I agree on Cholada, Eljeffe. It is very average.

          2. ElJeffe Jun 10, 2008 01:14 PM

            estnyboer is right, there is simply no great Thai on the West Side. I agree Pam's is the best in SM/Venice but is only good at best. Lattitude is hit or miss, and I'm only 1-3 with meals there.

            Don't even bother. Big opportunity for good Thai on the West Side....restauranters please help us out!

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              carter Jun 10, 2008 02:52 PM

              With the rents as high as they are on the west side, no Thai or Chinese operator would want to open a new place these days, unless they bought out an existing restaurant with an existing LONG lease that the property owner would allow to be taken over with no changes in rent structure.
              The only way they open today is with prices at least twice, maybe three times as expensive as you would expect, and thus you drive to another part of town.
              Everyone's expectations regarding these two cuisines are good, native, and inexpensive. They just cannot co-exist in these times.

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              heyjennyslater Jun 10, 2008 12:29 PM

              I really like Bangkok West in Santa Monica, on Santa Monica near 6th. The service if you go in to eat is really slow, but delivery is really quick. Take out is somewhere in between. I like their curries (especially red curry) a lot. They are definitely on the sweet side. and they have roti that is delicious. They seem to use all white meat chicken, which may not be authentic, but I like better. Also, Ayara Thai in Westchester (!) is quite good!! They have green papaya salad that can be pretty spicy but tasty.
              Their curries are not as sweet but still really good in my opinion.

              http://www.bangkokwestthaicuisine.com/ (watch out, it's a crazy flash website with music
              )http://www.ayarathaicuisine.com/

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                a_and_w Jun 10, 2008 02:45 PM

                Bangkok West is super Americanized, but as long as you know that going in, the food is pretty damn tasty. I like the prik king, which is more like a red curry, and the crispy egg rolls. Also, as you note, delivery is reliably fast. Haven't tried the roti -- thanks for the tip!

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                  Capybara Jun 10, 2008 04:44 PM

                  I second the recommendation for Ayara Thai, and wouldn't think it would be hard to get to from Santa Monica. Just shoot south on Lincoln to Manchester, and then a mile or so east until just past Sepulveda.

                2. Vince S Jun 9, 2008 01:30 PM

                  There are very few Yelpers who are really into food. Or worst, they review a restaurant as if they know about that cuisine. So take their reviews with a pinch of salt.

                  I personally come here for food reviews.

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                    marshal4 Jun 7, 2008 09:58 AM

                    Los Angeles is not New York, and everyone is prepared to drive 20 to 30 minutes to have lunch or dinner. Try Cafe Talesai, on Olympic Blvd near Doheny (310) 271-9345 http://www.talesai.com/ about 20 minutes from Santa Monica in Beverly Hills, an informal version of the award-winning (Best Thai Food in America) Talesai on Sunset Blvd. in West Hollywood. You should be pleased. I currently live in Bangkok and I still think this is better than many of the Thai restaurants that I frequent here, due to the quality of the ingredients, after commuting back and forth for the last 20 years.
                    Kit Marshal, http://restaurantdiningcritiques.com

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                      epop Jun 9, 2008 12:00 AM

                      Yes it isn't New York and one fact is that Manhattan hasn't a decent Thai restaurant.

                      But I never found Talesai, especially compared to Bangkok, to be all that special either. What did you order that stood out?

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                        igj Jun 10, 2008 12:40 PM

                        As someone who used to live in BKK, I am surprised to hear that. What stands out at Talesai?

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                          Mr Taster Jun 10, 2008 02:49 PM

                          If you live in Bangkok, you shouldn't be thinking of Talesai... you should be at Khrua Rommai off the Thong Lo skytrain stop and eating that heavenly roast chicken and nam prik oom!!

                          Mr Taster

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                            ExtraCheesePlease Jun 10, 2008 05:27 PM

                            I haven't been to Talesai for over a year but I have found their food to be exceptional, fresh and delicious. The catfish in spicy curry is one of the most amazing dishes I have ever eaten. The ribeye satai, the lambchops, pad thai, payaya salad and any of the curries are standouts as well.

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                              Skorgirl Jun 10, 2008 10:42 PM

                              Do you mean nam prik noom?

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                              cant talk...eating Jun 11, 2008 05:19 PM

                              We're very close to Talesai and I will never go back. The latest was a take-out order they said would take 20 min. I gave them 30 min. and then when I arrived, I had to wait for an add'l 20 to finally get it (all in a virtually empty restaurant). Another customer ahead of me was basically in the same predicament (and was a little more annoyed).

                              The prices for what you actually get are ridiculous - what other Thai restaurant charges $20+ for entrees? And believe me, they're nothing special, all the same stuff you'll find at dozens of little storefront Thai/Chinese places all over the Westside.

                              There's some "northern Thai style" noodle dish which is the only interesting thing I've found on their menu, but still just a faint echo of something like you'd find at a half-dozen places in Thai Town. Everything's watered-down for the "American palate" with no Asian greens, no depth or complex flavors (see other posts, esp. on Jitlada et al.), and though it's a sleek place with paper tablecloths, it's certainly not worth a drive from Santa Monica!

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                              glutton Jun 6, 2008 07:57 PM

                              I've heard good things about Pam's Place on Venice Blvd. in Venice. I have not been myself, but some reliable posters on this board have recommended it in the past.

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                                Outerspace Jun 6, 2008 09:19 PM

                                I've been to Pam's twice because it was convenient. Didn't much care for the food. It was middle-grade in taste and quality. Won't go back.

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                                  Servorg Jun 7, 2008 08:37 AM

                                  The food has been okay at Pam's Place. They have had service issues in slowness to take your order and waaaay slow to get the food out.

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                                    Mr Taster Jun 10, 2008 02:48 PM

                                    I was taken there recently by a friend who has known Pam for many years. My friend raved about her food, primarily because she's a Hindu vegetarian and Pam accommodates her. Service issues come from the fact that Pam does almost everything and her regular customers know this and are content to wait.

                                    As for the food, we basically did Thai omakase. Pam brought out dish after dish of some pretty non-traditional tasty stuff. Not a pad thai nor a tom yam in the bunch. However when the bill came out to $200, I freaked out. There was a chicken veggie and coconut milk dish for $20. Outrageous!

                                    Pam was charming and funny, but no way am I going to pay that much for Thai food again when Thai Town is so close.

                                    Mr Taster

                                  2. estnyboer Jun 6, 2008 07:22 PM

                                    I live in Santa Monica and have given up. I think that a significant part of the problem is that the food at places like Chan Dara and Natalee Thai are perfectly acceptable to the customer base. Basic curry dishes and soups have a sweet-sour flavor that white folks (yes, i'm a white folk) can't get enough of.... especially the sweet part. As a side note, if you're into food, you've probably faced the question, "Why is there so much sugar in American food?" at some point. People usually get food with tasteless and apparently non-offensive chicken or shrimp and they're none the wiser (which is kind of funny - Chan Dara actually has some delightful little steamed pork dumplings--along with a beer they make for a good happy hour stop).

                                    Anyway, these restaurants make money, and the smaller players (Thai Beer, Thai Dishes) thrive on delivery and the real food gets made where people aren't afraid of it (the heat, fermented fish flavors, seafood that's not salmon or sea bass).

                                    After many years of Westside experimentation, I've decided that Natalee Thai is the best bet because, despite the annoying menu with cutesy names for the dishes, at least the food is fresh (Chan Dara is similiar). This conclusion is so sad that I will further weaken it by saying that I can't remember the last time that I went to either place.

                                    A couple of other suggestions located in Palms:
                                    Thai Boom on Venice and Midvale - I went once and ate quickly but was encouraged. It's a hole in the wall. I could be way off base here; search this site to see if others have eaten there.

                                    Indo Cafe on National and Motor; not Thai, but similar flavors are in play - I used to be a regular but haven't been in a couple of years.

                                    Across the street on National is an Indonesian market attached to an excellent and very affordable cafe.

                                    Finally, if you love Thai food, do yourself a favor and make the trek to Norwalk to Renu Nakorn. It's an easy drive on a Sunday and it's right off of the freeway. I'll say no more because there are reams of raves on this site.

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                                      susancinsf Jun 7, 2008 08:13 AM

                                      Thai Boom gets lots of mentions on the board, mostly very positive: their sausage is great.

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                                        susancinsf Jun 7, 2008 08:14 AM

                                        meant to add a link for Thai Boom, helps with the searches.

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                                        Thai Boom
                                        10863 Venice Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90034

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