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Asian dessert with gelatin cubes, fruit, syrup ...

uwsgrazer May 21, 2008 06:40 PM

It's served cold in a glass or deep bowl, maybe with some small ice pieces in it. Sometimes the gelatin cubes come in different colors. The fruit often includes lychee. The syrup is on the sweet side. It's really freshing in warm weather.

Does anyone know what this dessert is called and where one can get it, preferably on its own where you don't have to order a whole meal?

I used to love another dessert on Penang's menu. It was ice cream covered with shaved ice and gelatin cubes, maybe a red bean syrup and some other stuff. I would love to know where I could get something like this too, again preferably a place where I wouldn't have to order a whole meal.


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    kathryn RE: uwsgrazer May 21, 2008 06:59 PM

    What colors were the jelly cubes? If they were all white, they were probably almond jelly cubes, with a bit of fruit cocktail mixed in? I've had that as dessert at Chinese restaurants often, it's usually called "almond dofu" or "almond tofu" on menus.


    Was it coconut or lychee jelly? Often times, pearl milk tea shops will offer these sorts of flavored jellies in lieu of tapioca pearls, BTW. Try Quickly on Grand St. They offer a large variety of shaved ices, jellies, etc.

    For the other dessert, is it ice kacang?

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      uwsgrazer RE: kathryn May 21, 2008 07:10 PM

      Yes, ice kacang is right. I just read about it in wiki. I guess I'm looking for something richer than just the shaved ice so, as wiki say, something "to cater to the taste of the modern palate".

      No, I know the almond jelly cubes dessert with canned fruit cocktail that gets served in Chinatown. I've actually made that myself. It's pretty good in the summer with fresh peaches. The dessert I'm looking for has different colored jelly cubes, at least some of which are translucent. Maybe some are opaque but there are definitely brightly colored ones (but they're not like regular jello - they're firmer, including compared to the almond jelly you mentioned). While the dessert isn't super fancy or elaborate, it's got more going on than the "almond tofu" you described.

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        bigjeff RE: uwsgrazer May 22, 2008 05:53 AM

        I always make the almond jello with white wood-ear fungus along with fresh fruit. delicious delicious.

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          kathryn RE: uwsgrazer May 22, 2008 09:25 AM

          Did the colored jelly cubes have certain flavors associated with them? I'm trying to figure out if they're coffee or pineapple or whatever-flavored, as opposed to simply multi-colored to look pretty.

          After last night's Top Chef, I'm now endlessly googling for bingsu, halo-halo, kakigori...

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            uwsgrazer RE: kathryn May 22, 2008 12:11 PM

            Good question. They may have but, if so, the flavor was subtle. It was really the texture that stood out. It had a nice chew-y quality to it - very satisfying! Plus, I have to admit I loved the pretty and colorful look of the colored cubes ; )

            Wow, I'll have to google all those terms later myself!

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              bigjeff RE: uwsgrazer May 22, 2008 07:26 PM

              yeah halo-halo is really the king although if you do get to taiwan and try their "snow-style" shave ice, the ice used is actually made from condensed milk: just think of the possibilities! I love the large gummy topping which I only remember as . . . "cui-yuan" or something like that; pink, purple and perfectly chewy esp when cooled down by the ice. that, plus some crunchy peanuts and red bean makes for summertime simplicity at its best.

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                uwsgrazer RE: bigjeff May 22, 2008 08:14 PM

                sounds great. halo-halo it is. where can I get some in NY??

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                  designerboy01 RE: uwsgrazer May 22, 2008 11:51 PM

                  Krystals and Renee does Halo Halo btw 69th and 70th on Roosevelt. Those colored cubes I thing are agar agar which is seaweed. Its good for lowering blood sugar levels and making you fell fuller. Its also about 80+% carbs and increases your metabolism. Its a good weight loss food.

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                    bearmi RE: uwsgrazer Jun 23, 2008 08:09 PM

                    I have had "Halo Halo" at Elvie's Turo Turo, a small Filipino restaurant. Address = 214 First Ave (between East 12th and East 13th) in Manhattan. It's a hole-in-the-wall takeout place but I have ordered just the dessert (i.e. Halo Halo) before (as opposed to ordering entrees from their food counter).

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                  yuanzhoulv RE: uwsgrazer Mar 31, 2009 09:30 AM

                  from the way you describe it, it might be nata de coco

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                    uwsgrazer RE: yuanzhoulv Apr 23, 2009 07:51 PM

                    Thanks, yuanzhoulv. Hard to tell without trying it. Do you know some places that serve nata de coco?

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                      JungMann RE: uwsgrazer Apr 24, 2009 06:40 AM

                      The places that sold nata de coco seem to have closed down, though you can always buy a bottle at the Asian Market on Mulberry.

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                        bigjeff RE: uwsgrazer Aug 1, 2009 10:37 AM


                        it's not a thing you serve, it's a thing that you can buy a container of (usually a tall glass jar) at any asian grocery, usually with SE asian goods. it's a component in many ice desserts (and was also the cube inside those little fake lychee jello cups that were so popular a few years ago).

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                          uwsgrazer RE: bigjeff Aug 1, 2009 01:35 PM

                          Oh. Okay, thanks bigjeff. I'm still working on getting a handle on these various desserts. I find it all a little confusing. I guess I'll just have to sample more, in an effort to figure things out!

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                            bearmi RE: uwsgrazer Aug 1, 2009 03:05 PM

                            uwsgrazer, I went back to your original post and re-read it again. Sounds like it can also be Chinese/Taiwanese-style Shaved Ice ("Bao Bing / 刨冰" in Mandarin or "Chua Bing" in Taiwanese.). You can get it from the shaved ice / dessert stall in Flushing Mall's foodcourt located at the lower level. At that stall, you can pick from a variety of toppings, including gels, beans, fruits and fruit sauces. Here is someone's blog on the shaved ice there.


                            I believe Shaved Ice also available at the Excellent Pork Chop House on Doyer Street in Manhattan Chinatown (I believe you can get the shaved ice as is without ordering their pork chop rice dishes.) I just checked their menu on Menupages. Looks like they have taro, beans, different gels, and pineapple as possible toppings but no lychee. According to the menu I saw, it's $3.50 for any 3 items. (http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/...) I have never ordered shaved ice there so I dont' know how authentic it is... but their pork chop was just so so (at least for my tastebuds) so you might be better off going to Flushing. Hope this helps.

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                              uwsgrazer RE: bearmi Aug 1, 2009 08:49 PM

                              bearmi, thank you so much for your suggestions! I will keep both places in mind when I'm in those parts of town.

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                                bigjeff RE: uwsgrazer Aug 2, 2009 08:30 AM

                                one thing which might make it all easier is: where exactly did you eat this dessert?

                                I did bum around flushing yesterday on the search; one place which sounded promising is a hot-pot placed called Udu (address is 37-04 Prince Street but it moved around the corner to 37th avenue, switching places with an asian bar) but its still located right near the new ramen setagaya. the hot pot itself looked really good but the manager said they didn't have shave ice yet since they were still working on the renovation.

                                i did have a very generic shave ice at Mr. Tu's Bakery on Roosevelt but it was one of those franchise-type kits that comes with the machine, a poster and some store promo material and instructions, probably like, "bring in additional thousands of dollars by carrying shave ice!" since I saw the same poster all over flushing. with that said, nowhere near as impressive as koryodang's (the flushing location, like the manhattan one, was full of couples sharing a single bingsoo), it was still pretty good; kinda rough ice (they just put ice cubes into a blender so it wasn't even truly a shave ice) topped with milk, condensed milk, red bean, stewed taro, pudding and little strips of gelatin/nata de coco, etc.; it hit the spot.

                                but, onwards!

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                                  uwsgrazer RE: bigjeff Aug 2, 2009 08:36 PM

                                  Good question, bigjeff. I was beginning to wonder myself! Believe it or not, it was actually at a Chinese restaurant in Memphis, TN. I know that probably doesn't help matters, but at least I feel better having figured it out ...

                                  Anyway, thanks for keeping it in mind on your Flushing outing. Maybe I should just try to construct my own at this point, if I can buy some of the colored jellies and fruit. I guess I would have to experiment with the ingredients to figure out the right prep.

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              HLing RE: uwsgrazer May 21, 2008 07:23 PM


              Go to Saint's Alp at 39 3rd Ave. you can have just the drinks, or snacks and then drinks. http://www.yelp.com/biz/saints-alp-te...

              There are places like that in Chinatown, too.

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                gimmeecake RE: uwsgrazer May 22, 2008 07:01 AM

                I believe you may be referring to patbingsoo ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patbingsu ), which can be found in some Korean or Asian cafes/dessert places. I like the red bean "shaved ice" from Koryodang (the KTown 32nd St. location), although it is pretty pricey (considering the simple ingredients) and not the BEST, but worth the splurge once in a while...and so much better than going down the same street to get an overrated cup of Pinkberry! Variations of this dessert with different toppings and syrups are also popular in Malaysia, Philippines ("Halo-Halo"), Japan, Thailand, Singapore, etc. Good luck! ;)

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                  uwsgrazer RE: gimmeecake May 22, 2008 12:16 PM

                  Thanks. I guess maybe what I'm looking for isn't any particular dish. Besides, it seems as if all these dishes are kind of blurring in terms what specific ingredients go into each one. I guess I like the ones that are more than just shaved ice with some syrup poured on. They're good at the beginning but then I feel as if I'm just eating ice so I like it when there are more ingredients and textures, including some sweet ones to satisfy my sweeth tooth!

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                    uwsgrazer RE: gimmeecake Jun 28, 2008 08:29 AM

                    Hey gimmeecake, I checked out Koryodang. We liked the place, I think as much (or more) for the atmosphere, if you can call it that, as for the shaved ice. You weren't kidding when you said it was pricey - eight or nine bucks for ice served in a plastic container is steep!! But it was a fun atmosphere and almost made me feel as if I had been transplanted to some Asian city in a flash. Thanks for the recommendation.

                    I guess what I'm still searching for is less shaved ice and more of the colorful jelly cube stuff with some beans and maybe fruit like lychee and a little bit of a sweet liquid base, I think. I'm off to HK/China next month. Maybe I'll find it there!

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                      xigua RE: uwsgrazer Jun 28, 2008 10:49 AM

                      Besides Koryodang, Cafe Muse on the western end of Ktown also sells bingsoo. Theirs is even more expensive at $12 a pop, but served in a mega-martini glass. Sugar overload but fun!


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                        bigjeff RE: xigua Aug 1, 2009 10:40 AM


                        I tried that cafe muse (now Ele) bingsoo and didn't like it; koryodang is still tops so far but I'm on the hunt.


                    2. re: gimmeecake
                      bigjeff RE: gimmeecake Apr 24, 2009 08:57 PM

                      that koryodang bingsu was amazing! $8.99 but it was so good; very fine ice, we had the greentea and there was sweetened green tea on top of it, very fresh fruit (Well except for the canned peaches); mochi cubes great, green tea ice cream great; it was very good, practically everyone was sharing an order; I saw the coffee one and the milk ones as well.

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                        windycity RE: bigjeff May 29, 2009 04:46 PM

                        The koryodang shaved ice is really good, and cheaper if you take it to go. It's the closest thing I've had to Taiwanese shaved ice in Manhattan. On a chowhounder suggestion I went to some place on Dowers once but it was not the same.

                        I'm game to go to Flushing for some real Taiwanese shaved ice if folks know of a good place - there must be somewhere, maybe at the mall food courts?

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                          bigjeff RE: windycity May 29, 2009 05:17 PM

                          i found that koryodang to be nothing like taiwanese shave ice! i mean, of course the same elements but, just a different . . . interpretation. it was much finer the ice and what with the standard toppings, it was very much like a classy dessert whereas I always have shave ice (esp. in taiwan) at very casual "bars", in night markets (I had a lot of the very popular mango ice when it just came out in taiwan) or on the street. I continue to mourn the loss of Fortune Gourmet (right on the corner of Roosevelt and Prince) which had takeout ice that was extremely taiwanese-y (3 or 4 bucks for a bowl, a bunch of ingredients, etc.). closed at least 5 or 6 years ago but it was the best.

                          recently, I did have an ice at Ice Fire Land and I thought it was alright (red bean, cui-yuan, crunchy peanuts, condensed milk, grass jelly). The Flushing Food Court has a big sloppy one too. But yes, the perpetual hunt goes on for that elusive taiwanese ice, especially the "xue-bing" or snow ice where the ice is made from condensed milk; DAMN!

                          EDIT: just poking around at my post from 3 years ago, asking on the same thing!


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                            windycity RE: bigjeff Aug 4, 2009 10:53 AM

                            I really miss Taiwanese shaved ice but it has been 8 years so perhaps my memory of it is not quite as clear. I really liked getting candied starfruit, mochi, and all kinds of preserved plums on my shaved ice.

                            Although I don't miss seeing them dragging the huge ice block in the street and then chipping some off to make my tsua bing. I guess when I say that it's the closest thing for me, I mean in terms of the ingredients. Other places I've been to haven't had the variety and when I was in Taiwan, I definitely didn't have a scoop of ice cream on top. But I like Koryodang;s rendition, despite it's price.

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                            kathryn RE: windycity May 29, 2009 05:18 PM

                            Yes - at the Flushing Mall, 13333 39th Ave.

                          3. re: bigjeff
                            squid kun RE: bigjeff Jun 2, 2009 09:54 AM

                            Anyone tried the bingsu at Ele (f.k.a. Cafe Muse) down the block from Koryodang? A sign on the door touts it as "famous," whatever that means.

                            31 W 32nd St, New York, NY 10001

                            43 W 32nd St, New York, NY 10001

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                              bigjeff RE: squid kun Jun 2, 2009 12:29 PM

                              ya i been waiting to try it but when I went a few weeks ago, they said it wasn't ready yet so at least they are staying "true" by offering it only during the warmer months. all I know is that it's $12, served in a giant martini glass and has cereal. that'll be my next bing soo!

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                                bigjeff RE: squid kun Aug 1, 2009 10:41 AM

                                tried it. didn't like it.

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                                  windycity RE: bigjeff Aug 10, 2009 02:04 PM

                                  It's "only" $7 for takeout. I popped my head in to take a look and decided to skip in in favor of the bing soo at Koryodang ($6 for the traditional red bean and ice cream and fruit combo.) Still good.

                            2. re: gimmeecake
                              bigjeff RE: gimmeecake Aug 1, 2009 10:39 AM


                              got any other good tips on bingsoo around the city? any borough (well, excluding fort lee). the dessert described by uwsgrazer didn't have any fresh fruit, which is the signature difference of bingsoo, right?

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                              sedela RE: uwsgrazer May 22, 2008 08:10 AM

                              are you saying you're looking for a new place aside from Penang? cendol also has the gelatinous stuff in it. you can see their menu on menupages.com
                              And at Penang you can get just dessert. I've done that before.

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                                uwsgrazer RE: sedela May 22, 2008 06:44 PM

                                sedela, is Cendol the name of the restaurant? I couldn't find it on menupages or even in a google search

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                                  cimui RE: uwsgrazer Jun 23, 2008 08:16 PM

                                  cendol's the name of the dessert, actually.

                                  cafe swish up by columbia has cendol, along with colored jelly drinks and shaved ice with various toppings. i've never had any of the above, there, though and remember the savory food being pretty poor.

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                                    uwsgrazer RE: cimui Jun 28, 2008 08:10 AM

                                    Thanks, cimui. I'll have to check out Swish again the next time I'm up there. I've had the bubble tea before and ate dinner there once. It was okay but I guess since I never returned that is revealing.

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                                      bigjeff RE: cimui Apr 24, 2009 08:56 PM

                                      been eating lot's of cendol; the one at new malaysia is served in a parfait glass, the one at java village in elmhurst is a drink with no shaved ice, and so far, the one at singapore cafe is the favorite; shave ice with red bean, the sugar syrup, along with condensed milk and the cendol bits. know of any other good ones? how about the one at laut; fancy? or skyway's?

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                                  kathryn RE: uwsgrazer May 26, 2009 06:45 PM

                                  FYI halo halo will be available at the Phillipine Independence Day Festival on June 7.

                                  June 7, 10 a.m. to 6 p.m., Madison Avenue between 24th and 26th Streets

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                                    lawgirl1984 RE: uwsgrazer May 27, 2009 07:02 AM

                                    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/din... describes a similar sounding dessert that will be available at Burmese festival.

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                                      bigjeff RE: lawgirl1984 May 27, 2009 09:58 AM

                                      ya they got good dessert at that thing; the bright sea-foam green falooda is an amazingly thick dessert that you wonder how it can be liquid yet so substantial at the same time.

                                    2. emilia RE: uwsgrazer Jun 2, 2009 08:50 PM

                                      yay! other people like weird dessert asian jelly things too!

                                      i've gotten taiwanese 'tchwa bing' at different places around in chinatown, like those cafes near mott or around grand (green tea cafe, quickly, etc.)

                                      always like to end my meals at Rai Rai Ken ramen bar with some old skool almond jelly with fruit cocktail. reminds me of the big parties all the chinese parents used to throw...that was a staple potluck dessert.

                                      Variations on what I know as shaved ice at: Cafe Zaiya & also at the Korean coffee spot mentioned earlier on 32nd st...though at $8 a pop, it's kind of pricey for what is essentially street-style dessert.

                                      Also some great colorful-jelly-cubey things with condensed milk and your choice of other delicious drinks (eg, avocado shake) at Nha Trang, the vietnamese restaurant on baxter. This is less of a dessert and more of a desserty drink.

                                      And lastly, this is out of manhattan- but the halo halo at filipino BBQ spot Ihawan in Jackson Heights is delish. I imagine you could find something similar at Krystals, Elvie's, or Pistahan.

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                                        kathryn RE: emilia Jun 2, 2009 08:58 PM

                                        Krystal's and Pistahan both closed.

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                                          emilia RE: kathryn Jun 2, 2009 09:16 PM

                                          nooo! bummer. that was short lived for pistahan...

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                                          bigjeff RE: emilia Aug 1, 2009 10:48 AM

                                          where the tchwa bing at? or bao bing? I'm on the hunt!

                                        3. penthouse pup RE: uwsgrazer Aug 2, 2009 10:23 AM

                                          I know this is a long and old thread, but I just had this dessert a few days ago at Hakubai, in the Kitano Hotel. I don't recall the name (!) of the dessert but it is the first one listed on the dessert menu.

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                                            uwsgrazer RE: penthouse pup Aug 2, 2009 08:22 PM

                                            Thanks. Based on what I could find on Kitano's website I guess dessert is only served as part of a larger meal. How's the food at Hakubai? I love Japanese food and might be willing to splurge on a meal there at some point if it's worth it.

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                                              penthouse pup RE: uwsgrazer Aug 3, 2009 03:38 PM

                                              It's a curious place, attuned to Japanese business mentality more than US restaurant goers: well lit (some would say overly so), nondescript tables and place settings, decent jazz quietly in the background. I was treated to a kaiseki dinner in the company of Japanese hosts. The food was excellent, served in small portions, but each item was characterized by intense flavor or focused texture...It's not a sushi place, let's put it that way. Excellent service (the waitresses explained what each item was), and very quiet indeed. I was told told that Japanese CEO types will stay at the hotel and dine there, because it's easy to get a table that's sequestered and private without being a tatami room (which they have.) I have to imagine it was very expensive (I didn't see a menu except for sake and dessert).

                                              If you really had a hankering for the dessert, I'd bet they would have no problem--especially if you explain your obsession with the item! They appreciated my appreciation, if that makes sense...

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                                                uwsgrazer RE: penthouse pup Aug 9, 2009 06:10 AM

                                                penthouse pup, thanks for your detailed description! The place sounds fantastic (very "Japanese"). Good restaurant to keep in mind in the event I ever have to do any Japanese business entertaining. I would love to try the kaiseki dinner, but on someone else's tab ... I'm not sure I would be bold enough to go just for the dessert (too intimidated by the sounds of things). But I guess I'll keep it in mind in case I'm in the neighborhood and the opportunity arises.

                                          2. bigjeff RE: uwsgrazer Aug 3, 2009 02:45 PM

                                            it might be time to move on: enter the cholado!


                                            I'm bout to hit up Dave Cook's find as soon as I can, El Palacio De Cholados

                                            El Palacio de Los Cholados
                                            83-18 Northern Blvd, Queens, NY 11372

                                            1. emilia RE: uwsgrazer Aug 6, 2009 09:45 PM

                                              Continuing on the topic, I'm finding myself more and more often wandering around Chinatown (Manhattan) looking for a spot to get a nice Asian-style dessert after a big meal. Anyone have ideas of where to go? I'm talkin the aforementioned shave ices, almond-dofu fruit cocktails, Dofu Hwa (fresh silken sweet tofu), sweet soups like red-bean soup, or white fungus soup (??) jio niang (fermented sweet rice), ba bao fan (8-treasure rice), etc?

                                              anything but bubble teas, please.

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                                                bigjeff RE: emilia Aug 7, 2009 08:01 AM

                                                had the same problem last night; the only place open late (around 9pm) was Hon Cafe on Mott which has a pretty extensive menu; they might not have all that stuff but maybe some of that stuff. Definitely can't think of a single spot that will cover that; there has been no Sweet n Tart replacement I can think of.

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                                                  emilia RE: bigjeff Aug 10, 2009 01:54 PM


                                                  sadly, the spot that replaced sweet n tart (is it egg custard king?) is pretty standard for Chinese bakeries, with the all-too-sweet bubble teas and delicious pastries. unfortunately, after a dinner i usually crave something lighter.
                                                  i have noticed at congee village, they will provide free bowls of sweet bean soup at the end of a meal, though this varies in my experience depending on 1) the season and 2) the degree of chineseness of the group that i'm dining with ;)

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