American-style hot dogs in London?

[sloepoke]

Okay... so, I'm overwhelmed with a Memorial Day homesick craving for a Chicago-style hot dog, but alas, I live in London where I'm struggling to find a frankfurter that fits the bill. Does anyone know where I might find a good, quality American-style hot dog (like a Vienna Beef frank or similar) 'round these parts? I looked in Sainsbury's but their hot dogs come in tins and look scary. All suggestions welcome.

[FriedClamFanatic]

Althought this is a way-old post, I thought I'd put in a plug for Cumberland Sausages as a "replacement" not a "substitue" for an american Hot Dog. When e lived in the UK, a local eatery used to offer them on the menu as a "school lunch" (it was a converted schoolhouse). I found them to be quite tasty and meaty and not filled with the Rusk that many UK sausages have.

[mikefromgeorgia]

I went to a Sonic Drive-In in Florida in July where I had their new all-beef Guacamole Dog and tater tots. I also went to the Coney Island Drive-In in Brooksville, Florida where I had a foot-long hot dog with chili, cheese and onions and a huge authentic strawberry milk shake. Nothing beats the real thing. Just such a shame to have to travel to the USA to get it.

[mikefromgeorgia]

Does anyone know where in the UK you can buy all beef hot dogs?? Costco sells what they call all beef hot dogs that are "made from an authentic American recipe". They are terrible. I once had a decent beefwurst at a German sausage stand in Leeds,

[zuriga1]

They used to sell (and maybe still do) Kosher, all beef hot dogs in Selfridge's food hall. I never tried them, so I have no idea what they taste like. You should give the Bubbledog restaurant a go.. maybe the dogs there are tasty. Maybe they import Hebrew Nationals. :-)

[cathodetube]

That subject has been broached many times on here. It's hard. The best beef hotdogs I have had are from The Big Apple hot dog stand. He doesn't sell them though. A kosher butcher is the only place to try in my opinion. Or find a good butcher as many of them do beef sausages now. I actually think sausages can be a fine replacement for a hot dog, except if you don't eat pork!

[NYLONDave]

I'm pretty sure WholePaycheque in Kensington is stocking Big Apple Hot Dogs (BAHD). Not sure if they are the beef or the pork & beef or .... Otherwise, you can buy them uncooked from BAHD if you get in contact with them directly- for between 1 and 2 £s a dog depending. I picked up 20+ for my daughter's b-day party in August and they were a huge hit. I was actually amazed at how many non Americans had never tried sauerkraut

[cathodetube]

When did he start selling them? And where from?

[NYLONDave]

I think they started selling them a month or two ago at Whole Foods/Paycheck/que in Kensington and possibly Stoke Newington - not sure they keep a constant supply - though they were advertising them on FB - and Abi will sell them uncooked from the cart soon to be van if you order ahead. I ordered mine when he wasnt at Old St and one of the team dropped them off.

I believe he works closely w/ the actual maker to develop the sausages/dogs and in my chats with him he keeps who that is close to his chest.

He's back at Old st on the 18th of this month w/ a new dog and possibly the van.

Dave

[ShekhaV]

http://www.bubbledogs.co.uk/home

This place looks like a lot of fun! obviously restaurant prices, not grocery ones but it seems like a great rough-luxe concept, I'd be really interested to hear about anyone's experiences!

[zuriga1]

Thanks for the reminder about this place. I read about it a month or so ago and completely forgot to mention it. What puzzles me is how they open at 9 a.m. but I can't find what they serve for breakfast. Hot dogs???

[cathodetube]

It's the reservation lines that open at 9 am, not the restaurant. That opens at 1130.

[zuriga1]

Thanks... now it makes sense! I can't imagine eating hot dogs with champagne but then again I never liked a lot of things years ago that I now love.

[AgnesGooch]

Had lunch at Bubbledogs last Saturday afternoon and loved it. The dogs were really tasty with that perfect snap you don't find too often. I had pork both times, my friend had the beef and liked hers as well. I had one of the K-dogs with Korean chili bean paste and kimchi but the kimchi was not spicy enough. I like my kimchi very spicy. The Jose was a Mexican dog with salsa, guac, sour cream and jalapenos. I asked if I could get a bacon wrapped dog and told the server that the Mexican-style hotdogs you get in AZ/CA and in northern Mexico (Sonoran hog dogs, Tijuana dogs, etc) are always bacon wrapped. It was delicious. My friend ordered her beef dog with just mustard and sauerkraut and loved it. She got a side of the "NY Street Cart Onions" which she imagined would be like the onions you get at Papaya King in NYC but it was nothing like it. It was actually like an onion marmalade, sweet and tasty but not like anything I had ever had in NYC. The tater tots were really good, we had two orders. I don't know if they were actually that great or it was a nostalgia thing but after living in Europe for almost 10 years I can't remember the last time I ate or even saw tots on any menu.

[zuriga1]

Thanks for your update... sounds good - especially those tater tots. :-) I never buy them, but the frozen hash brown squares they sell in supermarkets here look like they're made the same as tater tots.

[cathodetube]

I would recommend trying the Marks and Spencer potato croquettes as a substitute for tater tots. I had an addiction to them for a while but hardly go to M&S anymore as there isn't one near me.

[cereal]

Not really an American hot dog, but suggest you try a Dutch "rookworst" (ie smoked sausage) if you can find it. Check German or kosher delis, they may have it or similar. Usually comes in a shrink-wrapped plastic vacuum package, precooked only needing a steam in the pack or quick grilling if you prefer. They come in pork, beef or lamb. The beef one reminds me a lot of American dogs. They are bigger and a bit firmer in texture though. On the other hand if you are making a childhood recipe like franks and beans, or plan to serve it sliced on a plate like kids often get it, it is very reminiscent.

[nvbpjvch]

If you live near a Lidl (German budget supermarket), you'll find lots of Frankfurters there at pretty good prices. They also do bratwurst. [url=http://www.cheapguildwars2gold.com/]gw2 gold[/url]

[cathodetube]

American hot dogs are usually all beef. The Lidl ones are pork.

[daxx11]

i'm liking this topic more and more, now does anyone know where to source a good maple syrup ?
tried the watered down "real maple " from sainsbury's and the others but i want as close to the real mccoy as i can get to do the homemade pancakes that i make justice. and don't get me started on pizza's :D

[zuriga1]

You can get Aunt Jemima maple syrup from several of the online American food places. They even have the 'lite' version if you are so inclined. I've seen Canadian syrup but can't remember where. If you need the links to some of these online stores, just let me know. The prices are high, but it's worth it if you want real American things such as Kraft macaroni and cheese, Betty Crocker products etc. They also have Miracle Whip and so much more.

I agree that I haven't had any hot dogs that are 'American,' and I always used Hebrew National as I liked them. I guess there are kosher hot dogs here in England, but I've learned to do without.

[cathodetube]

Aunt Jemina syrup isn't real maple syrup, but only flavoured with maple. Most supermarkets have real maple syrup now, as do health food stores.

[zuriga1]

True enough. Yes, it's easy to find real maple syrup here. I wish it wasn't so expensive, and I always forget to bring some back from the States.

[cathodetube]

What do you mean by watered down real maple? What do the ingredients say?

[cereal]

Ingredients should be "maple syrup, " nothing else. Best bet is to buy syrup from the state of Vermont. By law, Vermont-produced maple syrup cannot contain anything but boiled-down maple sap.

[daxx11]

sainsbury's do not do an american style ( real ) hotdog and herta is not the answer. i work for sainsbury's and have been here for 40 years and i have never found anything even remotely real.

[cathodetube]

If anyone hasn't tried Big Apple Hot Dogs yet, then you are missing out. He is at Old Street in the week and round and about other times. He has about 4-5 different types, both pork and beef, and apparently all hand made for him. His toppings are just the usual condiments and also some sauteed onions with a bit of thyme. I tried his dogs when he was in Peckham once as part of the Eat Street goings on.

[brokentelephone]

I have been meaning to head out there for a hotdog -- I have very high hopes.

[daxx11]

old street in what town ? and who is he ? tried to find the thread but failed :((

[mikefromgeorgia]

I am an American who has been living in the UK since February 1999. I too miss really good all-beef hot dogs. I long for a Nathan's Famous, Sabretts, Vienna Beef, Hebrew National or even Oscar Mayer. I have had Fenway Franks at Fenway Park in Boston. They even sell all-beef versions of them in many Massachusetts supermarkets. I would think it would be a bit difficult to transport real American hot dogs to the UK and thus would probably make them expensive to buy. I have tried the Costco "Chicago Style" all-beef hot dogs which are made in the UK. I haven't wanted them since I bit into something unpleasant in one of them. As for canned hot dogs or ones in jars, ugh. Herta's chicken ones are ok, but they don't make an all-beef one. In Lanzarote, they sell Oscar Mayer products, including a variety of Oscar Mayer hot dogs, but they are mostly made with chicken or turkey. Oscar Mayer bacon can be found in some Sainsbury's in the UK but no hot dogs.

[zuriga1]

I know I've been here too long. I'm starting to prefer a great sausage to an American hot dog. :-)

[mikefromgeorgia]

There are some very good sausages. Sometimes what is advertised as being a hot dog is actually some type of sausage rather than a frankfurter.

[mikefromgeorgia]

How I miss these!! :)

[cereal]

What I wonder is...with all the pickles, onions, cabbage, tomatoes, relish, mustard, cauliflower, chili flakes, bacon bits, whipped cream and chocolate chips you Chicagoans pile on your hot dogs, does it even matter what kind of sausage is buried in there? Being a New Yorker, I've always wondered...

;-)

[zuriga1]

We New Yorkers are purists,

But doesn't a corned beef sandwich require mustard, cole slaw and Russian dressing? :-)

[cathodetube]

Asked the hot dog guy about his contacts for the dogs and he wouldn't spill. He gets them specially made though and will sell them frozen to whoever for £12 for 10. Do know where he gets his buns though.

[zuriga1]

It's not that I can't afford them, but it would be against my principles to pay so much for a hot dog. :-) What intrigue that he won't divulge his source. I get back to the States at least once a year, and that's enough to satisfy my desire for corned beef sandwiches, hot dogs or a good hamburger.

[CTownFeedR]

Do tell? Decent hotdog buns are tough to find...

[zuriga1]

I agree with you on that. We had a local bakery here that made very acceptable ones, but they closed up a few years ago, much to my dismay. My niece is flying over tomorrow... do I dare ask her to pack some buns. :-)

[CTownFeedR]

They will need to leave space in their luggage for all the stuff they will bring back. You are helping them by asking to bring buns for you.

[zuriga1]

I know the feeling!

[cathodetube]

His hot dog buns are obtained at Kindred Bakery, Half Moon Lane, Herne Hill. Don't know if they are special order or not. I go there often to buy stuff so will ask.

[tommyleinen]

Yes, I tried the infamous fenway hotdogs in Boston and have never eaten a bun quite like it before or since. living in the UK perhaps makes this even less likely! I have recently bought some Twinner Bratwurst from Lidl but they are in the freezer waiting on a bun that can do them justice!

[brokentelephone]

I've had pretty good buns from whole food in Kensington, as well as very nice ones from daniels in temple fortune.

[cereal]

No-cole slaw, russian dressing (and swiss cheese) on corned beef is a "reuben". A sandwich for tourists basically. NY deli corned beef and pastrami sandwiches should have mustard on them and nothing else. However, even a reuben is a study in minimalism compared to a Chicago hot dog.

[cathodetube]

In Northcross Road market, East Dulwich there is a stall on Saturdays only selling very delicious hot dogs. They are all beef. You can have a choice of toppings including chili with two kinds of beans and not heavily spiced, onions, cheese, japapenos, ketchup, tomatoes and sauerkraut. i had a chili dog yesterday with fried onions and it was delicious. The most expensive version was £4 and I paid £3.50 for mine. He also has French's mustard and Cholula sauce. I did have one from this stall months ago but forgot to post about it.

[zuriga1]

If you get another hot dog one day, maybe you could please ask the seller where he sources the hot dogs.. brand etc. I sure would love to know. I've found that Sainsbury's sells what they call 'American-style mustard,' and it tastes just like French's.

[cathodetube]

I have had this conversation with him and they are kosher hebrew national ones but he wouldn't specifically tell me where from. Did you ever try the Costco or Selfridges dogs? Is the Sainsbury mustard cheaper than French's?

[zuriga1]

For me, Hebrew National hot dogs are the king of hot dogs. I liked that in the States, I could buy a low-fat version, although I didn't do that very often! I wonder where this man sources them over here.

I haven't tried the Selfridge's (should do) and I'm fairly far from a Costco so haven't had those either.

I never bought French's mustard here, so I don't know how it would compare to the Sainsbury's. I imagine it would be more if imported. I can happily live with the Sainsbury's squeeze bottle. :-)

[cathodetube]

There is a website called Titanics that supplies Chicago beef hot dogs. Found it by googling Hebrew National. They are based in Manchester. I am pretty sure that a good proportion of the shops in Golders Green, and Temple Fortune supply Hebrew National dogs. I would also think there would be places in Hendon. I always buy French's mustard. Every English person I have introduced it to has loved it.

[zuriga1]

Thanks.. I'll investigate. In the States, I got a bit tired of French's after eating nothing else for most of my life. I started bringing back mustard from France... that's easy now! I sometimes make the mustard (sweet and sour) that my grandmother used to make... just for a change.

[cathodetube]

I also like Dijon and other French mustards. It depends on the meat really. French's has good memories of childhood and I love it on fries, burgers and hotdogs.

[zuriga1]

I was thinking about that childhood connection... it sure does influence us for years to come. My mother liked that dark brown Gulden's mustard, but I never did. I'm on a kick now with the Coleman's 'American-style' mustard I found in Sainsbury's, but my husband doesn't like it at all. :-)

Blueberries (best from M&S) with sour cream... childhood again.

[cathodetube]

Yes, it really does matter what you are given to eat as a child. I am sure different states have different local mustards. My American grandmother used to make me boiled potatoes and serve them with French's mustard as a snack. She told me that her mother used to do the same for her and her sister when they were little. She was of German descent and lived in Cincinnati. I think that is why I like French's, not ketchup with fries. Sainsbury's also has deli style mustard - not sure what that is. A New York thing? Never had blueberries with sour cream. Made a delicious blueberry crisp yesterday which would probably go nicely with sour cream or creme fraiche. Think the English are just now getting into blueberries. I put them (and strawberries and raspberries) on my cereal, especially raw oats with lemon juice, yoghurt and almonds - a kind of Bircher muesli.

[greedygirl]

The problem with blueberries in the UK is that they're often fairly tasteless.

[cathodetube]

Yes, I agree with you. There still seem to be imported ones around now. Making a bit of a compote with sugar releases the flavour.

[zuriga1]

I think the deli style (haven't really looked at that) could be 'borrowed' from what they serve in NY delis. That's usually the brown stuff like Gulden's. I couldn't remember the name of the French one I like (hard to source in England).. it's Edmund Faillot. It comes in many varieties.

I lived in Cincinnati for 2 years! I loved that city.

[cathodetube]

Cincinnatuh! Spent a lot of time there during the summers with my grandmother. She raised a big family there. Did you eat goetta when you were there?

[loobcom]

Haven't Hawksmoor announced that they will be including a dog on the menu of their new Covent Garden branch?

[1mazar]

i like the idea of that,but would you have mustard or barberque sauce ?

[zuriga1]

When I lived in Cincinnati - back in the Stone Age - we ate out not that often. We were enjoying two years of non-medical training while my ex was in the Public Health Service. I was pregnant for 9 months of the two years... did go to a German restaurant once and a wonderful deli. We probably ate in many other places but we are talking long, long ago.

[brokentelephone]

Sorry -- Hebrew National are definitely not available anywhere in the UK.

In reference to another post: The guy in East Dulwich does NOT use hebrew national, unless he's switched them since I was last there a few months ago. Had he used Hebrew National, he would be sitting next to me now on my couch as my best goddamn friend in London.

I have another recommendation : Ecksteins (which is a kosher shoychet in Temple Fortune) sells American style hotdogs are pretty good -- good casing, plump, and a juicy interior (though the colour is horific pre-cooked).

[dazza2010k]

Hey was just reading your post i no your living in london but if your ever visiting ireland there is a great hot dog stand beside fitzsimons bar in temple bar they do a excellent chicago style hot dog thay do all the condiments including sauerkraut i have been to newyork and i recon these dogs are as good if not better. they have a site www.dogeatdoginc.webs.com its worth a look there the only cart builders and hotdog company in ireland well worth the money i go back every weekend

[Ibrahim.Salha]

Bloggers' favourite The Meatwagon (http://twitter.com/themeatwagonuk) has American style hot dogs. He's trying out some new all-beef franks tonight at the Florence, Herne Hill. Could be worth trying out...his usual chilli dog is good.

[cathodetube]

And he gets his buns at a bakery in Herne Hill.

[brokentelephone]

I am really into hotdogs....!

I am not a big fan of the ones at Selfridges (Chicago-style ones) as they aren't juicy, the flavouring is slightly off, and the casing doesn't quite match up to a US frank. Hebrew National dogs are miles and miles and miles ahead...

The Sainsburys kosher dogs are made by Blooms/Gilberts and personally, I think their quality is extremely low. The colour is awful (either grey or bright pink) and again, the texture is awful. I think they use cheap ingredients and don't have a good recipe.

Head to Golders Green and find Golders Green deli and butcher shop (I believe the sign is in blue). They stock some home-made kosher hotdogs which are almost terrific. Real casing, good meat blend, and nice flavours -- unlike the aforementioned dogs I didn't feel vile post-chomp! There is another branch on Finchley in Temple Fortune, but the name of the butcher might be different!

Also in GG, if you goto a kosher supermarket (or any London, really) look for a brand of meats called Frederic Buchinger from France -- they sell great kosher hard salami, and pretty darn good plump hot-dogs (I don't like their thinner vienna style ones as much as the butchers. but the fat ones are pretty near excellent).

Buns-wise, Grodzinski & Daughters make some nice eggy buns, as does Daniels kosher bagel bakery -- the former are available at Selfridges, but if you're trekking to GG for the hotdogs, get fresh buns!

There is a VAST difference between the Kosher hotdogs available in N. America and the UK, but assuming you aren't from the US you hopefully will be sated by the above recommendations.

[skut]

fantastic post right there, cheers brokentelephone

[foreignmuck]

so I finally tried one of those Bodeans hot dogs today, and it really hit the spot..

A quarter-pound meaty. smoky sausage, served on a soft, warm roll. with ketchup, mustard and a really good bit of warm sauerkraut, it was really very good. You can also have grilled Onions, cheese, or chilli as toppings if you prefer..

Will certainly recommend it to all you homesick Americans..

[daxx11]

i've lived in the UK for almost 40 years and i now work for Sainsburys and i can state that you can not buy a decent hot dog in the UK now. 15 years ago a company in Luton produced a really good 12" hot dog that they sold cooked at the Galleria in Hatfield but no longer. Harrords nor Selfridges do real hotdogs but i do agree there use to be a Kosher dog available here but that was more then 30 years ago. Herta nor any of the new Turkish/ German frankfurts fit the bill.

Just read the below post and I'm off to Golders Green tomorrow to check out that deli.

[brokentelephone]

I'm actually going there tomorrow as well -- definitely get the buns at Daniels (and perhaps some bagels as well if you're into them -- they're the best in London and outdo the ones sold at Carmelli's on GG Road).

[redseven]

OK I think I have found some good franks in Costco, not the ones in the main isles but the ones in the chilled section called 'Chicago's Best Jumbo Beef Frankfurters'. I am assured by my girlfriend that these are as good as some US ones and to me they taste like good ballpark dogs. Give them a crack at around £2.80 for 5 they are pretty good value.

[foreignmuck]

Haven't had one but Bodeans in Soho or Clapham do a pretty decent looking hot dog....

[bamber]

Lidl sell decent Frankfurters and they're cheap. But does anyone know of a supplier of proper hot dog buns?

Sainsbury's used to stock them but the ones they now sell are just large finger rolls so the dough is completely wrong.

[sloepoke]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions... I should also explain that I am 7 months pregnant, so the homesick craving for Chicago-style red hots was partly motivated by my bump!

I did take another look in my local Sainsbury's and lo and behold what did I find there but kosher, all-beef Vienna-style frankfurters that were pretty darn close to the real deal. So we assembled our Chicago-style dogs (found plain buns at Sainsbury's too-- by the way for a Chicago-style dog the buns should be poppyseed and steamed) and munched happily away. Of course it was not exactly like home: the one thing really letting me down was the enduring pickle problem many American ex-pats have already complained about on this board... couldn't find either a good pickle relish or a decent crunchy dill pickle in my neighborhood for love nor money, so we had to substitute with fancy French cornichons. But heck, with enough mustard and onion the dogs were pretty darn close, enough to satisfy both my craving and Bump's too.

But I will definitely check out the sausage stands in Borough market & Selfridges! Great suggestion!

[babybat]

Branstons are now making a gherkin relish, I picked some up in a larger branch of Sainsburys as the Heinz sweet pickle relish I smuggled back from the US is nearly finished. Haven't opened it yet so I can't vouch for how good it is, but it's a start!

[Shivaun]

If you still head to Borough market to procure hot dogs, then we were very excited to finally find a supplyier of proper US-style pickles there too - in a corner near a pie stall, sorry can't remember the name of the stall.

[EAGinLondon]

Selfridges definitely. Go into the side door right into the Food Hall (facing Marks and Spencer), and it's a few steps forward and to the right to the kosher fridge case. It's easy to miss this - it faces the smoked salmon counter i think. That case contains jumbo sized "Chicago style" all beef franks - these are produced in Manchester. My kids love these - they normally only get to eat hot dogs (Oscar Mayer all beef) on visits to the US. And you can cross the street to the M&S food hall to buy an approximation of hot dog buns in their packaged bread dept - these are best toasted. Happy Memorial Day!

[zuriga1]

These sound remarkably like Hebrew National hot dogs from the U.S.! Do they contain any garlic? I think that's what gives kosher hot dogs their distinctive taste. I will definitely check these out.. thanks.

[daxx11]

on paper this sounds like the real mccoy or the closet thing to it so next time i' m in town i' m heading to selfridges.

[zuriga1]

I recently read that Whole Foods in Kensington is selling Red Apple hot dogs in their restaurant area on the first floor. They seem to get high praise, so you could check that out, too.

[daxx11]

nice, thanks for that and when i go home in april i'll try to figure out a real way to bring some back :D

[abgilliam]

costco has very good hot dogs, sold in packs of 5 or 6, and also in the food court.

[iheartcupcakes]

We passed the Gourmet Hot Dog in Soho the other day - http://www.thegourmethotdogcompany.co...

they do some american ones. What about somewhere like Wholefoods or Partridges - they do lots of American food, or Selfridges?

Aldi and Lidl both do some v.good bratwurst and our Sainsburys have jars of American hotdogs - maybe they're only available in the bigger stores? I have to say I've not tried them as I'm not that much of a fan but I do recommed bratwurst from Germany :)

[Nii]

The German food van @ Portobello market does a range of Bratwurst and other sausages, not too sure if they're same as an American style frankfurter you're after. Worth a try though.

[greedygirl]

If you live near a Lidl (German budget supermarket), you'll find lots of Frankfurters there at pretty good prices. They also do bratwurst.

[cathodetube]

I agree with the Lidl suggestion. I had some of their bratwurst today with onions cooked in beer. They do hotdog buns too as do most supermarkets. If you can get to the Jewish areas like Golders Green,Temple Fortune and Hendon you will find Hebrew National hot dogs and tons more imported kosher stuff from the US. Think they have chicken sausages as well. Used to live in the area. Both areas are a hive of activity on a Sunday. Sainsburys sells Frenchs mustard. I also make Coney Island (Detroit speciaity) hot dogs by adding chili and chopped raw onions to the hotdogs.

[zuriga1]

I've become a big fan of the Lidl hot dogs. Ten hot dogs for .99 is a great bargain for something that also tastes just fine. The finger rolls at Sainsbury's remind me of hot dog rolls, so I buy them if needed. I don't remember eating Coney Islands in Detroit where I once lived for a year, but they are found in NY (where Coney Island is), too. :-)

[mrnyc]

yes the detroit area loves its coney dogs, but just about every small or large ohio town has or had a coney island hotdog diner as well. it's a common misperception, but the coney dog was named after cincinnati's coney island, not nyc's (there are no coney dogs in brooklyn). cinci is also home to the greek-inspired "chili" that goes on the coney dog, which the locals there famously like on spaghetti too.

[zuriga1]

Believe it or not, I once lived in Cincinnati for two years... back in the Stone Age. The only restaurantsI remember are a good deli we found in our first week there and a German place someone took us. I've never been a big chili lover... so I don't remember that at all. These days, I'm sure I'd give it a go.

[CTownFeedR]

They are not cheap (£4.50 for 6 I think), but the Frankfurters at the German wurst stall in Borough market are quite tasty and pretty close to what you are looking for.

Hmmm, might have to get some myself this weekend for the Q.

S

[nanette]

In the chilled bit at Sainsbury's, they have Herta brand frankfurters which look and taste just like American hot dogs. I think they were next to the bacon at one shop, and next to the packaged lunch meats at another.