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Saddleoflamb May 16, 2008 03:00 PM

Was given a rec. for Dale's Pale Ale in the can for a fishing trip to the Outer Banks........aside from the cost of conversion to canning, and perception.........would the taste of the beer be changed by canning? Is a metalic taste imparted?
Feed back on Dales, and any other Micro's in the can....

  1. Josh May 16, 2008 03:37 PM

    Dale's is great. Oskar Blues makes a few different canned beers, and they're all excellent. Cans actually are better than bottles, because they are completely opaque. Most places don't can simply because the equipment is too expensive.

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    1. re: Josh
      Jim Dorsch May 16, 2008 04:08 PM

      Canning equipment for small breweries is very cheap compared to a bottler.

      1. re: Jim Dorsch
        TongoRad May 16, 2008 04:22 PM

        Yeah- I think the issue is the cans themselves. It requires a huge minimum commitment as to the number of cans that are made up at one time. I think that Gordon is, or started as, a blank can that had a label applied, which is one clever way of dealing with the printing issue. I still gotta get me some of that...

        1. re: TongoRad
          Jim Dorsch May 16, 2008 07:55 PM

          Right, there must be a minimum order of can stock. I recall the Gordon situation you mention. OTOH, there are also minimums on bottles, six-pack carriers, labels ... (granted, a brewery typically already has a bottle filler, and there's some risk in introducing a can)

      2. re: Josh
        Saddleoflamb May 17, 2008 05:14 PM

        Just tried the Dale's Pale Ale and have not had an experience like that in quite awhile......tasting something of that quality/hoppiness out of a can was positively weird.........looking forward to trying other craft/micro's that come in cans......

        1. re: Saddleoflamb
          Josh May 18, 2008 09:02 AM

          I had the exact same reaction. In San Francisco, 21st Amendment cans their beer. Unfortunately last time I was up there they were out of stock.

          1. re: Saddleoflamb
            Kenji May 25, 2008 11:57 AM

            Yeah, I found it weird to get used to drinking such flavorful stuff (as DPA, Old Chub, or Gordon) from a can! It caused real cognitive dissonance in me.

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          brentk May 16, 2008 04:07 PM

          I've been drinking the canned beer from Maui Brewing and it is great, too. No metallic tastes I can discern.

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          1. re: brentk
            shellshock24 May 16, 2008 05:05 PM

            I think the metallic taste issue is a thing of the past. According to "Oskar Blues owner Dale Katechis says that's a myth. 'The modern-day aluminum can and its lid are lined with a water-based coating that prevents beer and metal from ever touching,' his Web site says."

            For more info read this Washington Post article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...

            Had some Surly Furious last week, tasted great coming out of the can

            1. re: shellshock24
              Saddleoflamb May 16, 2008 05:30 PM

              Don't think we can get Surly Furious ot here in North Carolina......100 IBU's....wow!

              1. re: Saddleoflamb
                Bobfrmia May 16, 2008 06:23 PM

                Don't feel bad. You can't get Furious outside of the greater Minneapolis area. At least I don't think.
                It's fantastic. I hope they never compromise quality for quantity. I'll gladly drive up there to get it.
                Last time I was in Mn. I picked up a canned beer called, I think, Sea Hag.
                Don't remember where it was from, but a damn fine beer from a can.

                1. re: Bobfrmia
                  Jim Dorsch May 16, 2008 07:57 PM

                  Lucky me ... there were a few cans of Surly beer floating around the craft brewers conference in San Diego in April.

                  IIRC Sea Hag is an IPA from New England Brg co.

                  1. re: Jim Dorsch
                    shellshock24 May 17, 2008 07:07 PM

                    No Surly in SF as well but got it through a beer trade. Great stuff

            2. re: brentk
              tofuburrito May 21, 2008 01:04 PM

              I had a "wow" experience with a can of Maui IPA while in Kauai last year.

            3. Chinon00 May 16, 2008 06:02 PM

              Pilsners are notorious for getting skunked. And it is generally believed that this is a function of exposure to light. Having consumed my fair share of Pils in both bottles and cans I have NEVER tasted a skunked Pils from a can. Some of my favorites available in cans includes Bitburger, Sly Fox's Pikeland Pils (German) and Pilsner Urquell.

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              1. re: Chinon00
                Saddleoflamb May 16, 2008 06:04 PM

                Haven't seen the Urquell in cans in in the Triangle, NC will inquire with distr.

                1. re: Saddleoflamb
                  TongoRad May 16, 2008 06:20 PM

                  The Sly Fox Pils is a rock solid choice- I prefer it to the Prima Pils, though they are similar. I'll also take their Phoenix Pale Ale over Dale's, not because I think it's a better beer but because I have been getting some old, mishandled Dale's as of late (just had some last week, as a matter of fact- not quite butter bombs, but the diacetyl was noticable and the hops were subdued.)

                  You mention that the beer is for a fishing trip. I assume that you will be consuming the beer directly from the can? Just keep in mind that there may indeed be some metallic taste issues simply by way of putting your mouth directly onto the opening of the can. If you are using cups then you have nothing to fear- as mentioned earlier the beer itself will not be affected.

                  1. re: TongoRad
                    Saddleoflamb May 16, 2008 06:25 PM

                    Wish I could get/try these here in NC.....might have to make a roed trip to Pa.

                    1. re: Saddleoflamb
                      TongoRad May 16, 2008 06:31 PM

                      So close yet so far ;) Oh well, I wasn't sure about how far away they were distributed. By all means go with the Dale's then- I'm pretty sure there is a date stamped on the twelver box; unfortunately for me my local places break those up into sixers with the plastic holders and you can't get the age info anymore.

                      1. re: TongoRad
                        Saddleoflamb May 16, 2008 06:36 PM

                        Pa/NJ/ NY for Sly Fox....have only seen the six packs of Dales.....never in my right mind did a I think this would be a quality brew....thought it was a novelty....looked at the web sight.......Sierra Nevada 37 IBU's, Dales Pale Ale 65 IBU's.....will have to head to Whole Paycheck and give it a test drive.....

                    2. re: TongoRad
                      kenito799 Jun 25, 2008 10:49 AM

                      I just had Sly Fox Pikeland Pils for the first time last weekend--fantastic beer. I love the cans--light, portable, quick chilling...I wish we could get it in NY.

                  2. re: Chinon00
                    befuggled May 19, 2008 07:45 PM

                    It's the light reacting with some component of the hops. Green or clear bottles provide next to no protection from the light, while amber bottles provide much better protection. Cans obviously provide much more. I usually avoid Pilsner Urquell or Heineken unless they're on tap because of those stinking green bottles.

                    Miller apparently treats its hops somehow so that its beer in clear bottles does not skunk.

                    1. re: befuggled
                      Josh May 20, 2008 10:58 AM

                      Amber bottles are only marginally better than green. Where green and clear have zero, amber has a little more than zero. Beer in amber bottles still skunks very easily. Red glass offers good protection, but is prohibitively expensive.

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                    DapperDave May 22, 2008 08:16 PM

                    I just recently had a Ten Fidy, in a can. Don't remeber who makes it, but WOW, what a strong beer, It is a porter I believe, real thick, real dark. It is definately not a session beer, but great nontheless

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                    1. re: DapperDave
                      Jim Dorsch May 22, 2008 08:26 PM

                      imperial stout


                      1. re: Jim Dorsch
                        DapperDave May 25, 2008 09:21 AM

                        Yup, thats the stuff, anyone else try this??

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                      Kenji May 25, 2008 11:55 AM

                      I have had canned beers where the metal affected the taste of the beer -- but this was *not* the case with the Dale's Pale or the other beautiful Oskar blues brews.

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                      1. re: Kenji
                        shellshock24 Jun 4, 2008 11:43 AM

                        I just had some Maui Coconut Porter out of a can, tasted great. I'm starting to like this can trend w/ the micros

                        1. re: shellshock24
                          Kenji Jun 5, 2008 11:12 AM

                          I haven't tried -- or even seen -- that brew, but yeah, canned micros are a great thing, and I hope the trend continues.

                          1. re: Kenji
                            Phil_L Jun 6, 2008 02:37 AM

                            Canned, 21A IPA, Watermelon Wheat, New Belgium Fat Tire, and the Oscar Blues, Dales Pale ale, are all really nice to see in can. And, damn handy when your out and about! Bonus is that they taste great too!

                          2. re: shellshock24
                            tofuburrito Jun 25, 2008 01:11 PM

                            Just saw the Maui Coconut Porter for the first time (outside of Hawaii) at my local BevMo and picked some up. I agree, it's excellent and I enjoy the convenience of the can.

                        2. missoulagrace Jun 10, 2008 07:01 PM

                          A local microbrewery, Kettle House, began canning their beer recently to rave reviews. They have not been able to keep up with demand and so are planning to open a second location to focus on the canning, but with a small taproom too, of course. And only a few blocks from my house, hee hee hee! The beer tastes really good; I have been told that the cans have some kind of liner that protects the flavor? It is a bit more expensive to buy their cans, though not THAT expensive compared to beer prices outside MT (6.99 for a 4-pack of 16-oz cans of their Double Haul, an IPA). In any case, a GOOD beer in a can is such a treat when in situations where you really don't want to bring glass (river trips, fishing, sneaking into the movies, etc.:-)

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