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Snug Harbour

drbelfer May 14, 2008 05:01 AM

I was in the Toronto area a few years back and am planning another trip later this summer. On my prevoious trip I had a great experience at a place called Snug Harbour (on the water).

Does any know if it is still around, still as good?

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    Smed May 18, 2008 03:44 PM

    I lived in port credit for years, been to sung harbour a number of times found the food to be unremarkable and the service mediocre. It is still there, howver if you are going to be in toronto, there are certainly better places to dine in and around the city.

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      hungry_pangolin May 14, 2008 05:48 PM

      I was there last summer for a thrown-together dinner group. My ex-roommate's husband (Brasilian) had never had pickerel, which SH had. I ordered it as well, and they did a good job of it. (I'm from northern Ontario, so pickerel is part of my soul food.) I would prefer a smaller place that paid more attention to detail, but I think that it's an OK place. (BTW, the Brasilian loved the pickerel.)

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      1. re: hungry_pangolin
        JamieK May 14, 2008 06:04 PM

        oh man I love pickerel. For years, we've eaten fresh Georgian Bay pickerel from the Henry Lepage family (commercial fishers) in Lafontaine and also at Henry's restaurant in Midland at Ogden Beach.

        I've seen pickerel at some of the fishmongers at SLM, have you tried any from there? Pickerel seems seasonal to me so I don't understand how these places could have pickerel at any time of the year.

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          hungry_pangolin May 14, 2008 07:29 PM

          I'm not certain, but is pickerel now farmed in some places? Or is it still a completely wild fishery?

          Up north, pickerel wasn't really seasonal, in the sense that whether you were fishing off the dock in June or through a hole in January, if you had a pickerel on the end of your line, life was good. There weren't (as I recall) any 'runs' or some such things that made it seasonal. I might be wrong on this, though, because I fished only reluctantly.

          As for SLM, only a couple of times have I purchased pickerel there, and it was good. No complaint. Not the best, but I had been spoilt.

          BTW, on the subject of fish - and organic markets (different thread) - one of our First Nations Bretheren brings in to Toronto white fish and trout from Georgian Bay, both fresh and smoked. I had the fresh white fish for dinner last night and tonight, and it was beautiful. The smoked fish I have with my poached eggs and English muffin in the morning.

          1. re: hungry_pangolin
            DockPotato May 15, 2008 04:32 PM

            Pickerel is neither farmed nor seasonal. Its proper name is Walleye, and commercial licencees fish it year round, or whenever they can get their tugs onto the water. It's an ongoing mystery to me why neither it, nor, even better, Perch were so hard to come by in Toronto. For some reason the catch all heads south to New York and then seems to evaporate. Our local Sobeys often has Walleye, sometimes it's even fresh from the Hopes Bay First Nations' fishery.

            Has anyone ever encountered this fish in a Toronto Sobeys? It could be labeled: Walleye; Sauger, or Pickerel.

            Anyone visiting the Sarnia to Grand Bend district of ontario should try Purdy's Fshery:

            http://www.purdyfisheries.com/index.html

            I've not had occasion to buy there, but would if I had to because they are one of the few fisheries on the Great Lakes using trap nets instead of gill nets.

            Gill nets are sized to a targeted size to entangle a fish by the gills as it attempt to pass through the seine. Naturally they quickly expire - along with any other fish of the same size. "Garbage" fish are tossed back into the lake along with any restricted species. The fish are dead when the nets are lifted and who knows how what length of time has expired: the tugs are often weather-bound in port for some time.

            Trap netters like Purdy rely on a maze so that when they haul nets they must scoop them live and pick over for size and species.

            The catch in either type of fishery is immediately packed in iced crates. In either type of Graet Lakes fishery, our local catch is head and heels above salt-water for quality and taste.

            1. re: DockPotato
              JamieK May 15, 2008 05:25 PM

              I always thought "wallyeye" was the American term and that we just called it pickerel. For certain, you'll see it called pickerel in fishmongers, fish shops and restaurants across southern Ontario.

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              Lepage Fishery
              6 Lafontaine Rd W, Tiny, ON L9M, CA

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                mac n cheeze May 16, 2008 03:51 AM

                I have often purchased pickerel at Sobeys here in Toronto - it is frequently (but not always) available. However, it seems (to me)to have a different taste/not as flavourful as the pickerel I get up North (in North Bay/Sturgeon Falls/Sudbury area). It could just be the way I cook it (being a Southern Ontario gal) vs the way it is cooked by Mr. Cheese's family (being a N Ontario guy)

                I also thought Walleye is the American term for pickerel

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                  11oclockish May 16, 2008 11:46 AM

                  Mac n cheeze, I think you are right. I don't think it's the way you cook it, or that you are imagining it. I'm from the north as well, and I don't eat the pickerel in the stores here in the south - it's not that it's bad, it's just different and less flavourful and I am invariably disappointed.

                  On the walleye / pickerel front - I call it pickerel whereas my younger brother calls it walleye - but that could just be because he was a sport fishing guide for awhile and worked for a lot of Americans. Sauger, however, is a different fish - closely related, but different.

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                    hungry_pangolin May 17, 2008 04:22 PM

                    I was wondering about "walleye" vs "pickerel". I grew up in the north, and never heard the term walleye until I was well into my teens.

                    As 11oclockish said, the stuff in the stores isn't bad, just not the same the same. I think that part of the beauty of the fish fresh from the lake is that the flesh carries the flavour of the water in which the beastie lived. The first time that I noticed this, I had been swimming in a lake from which I caught the fish, and I thought at dinner, "My God, it tastes like that accidental mouthful I took." Truly, dinner never gets better than that.

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                  dory May 16, 2008 06:35 AM

                  At the 2007 Royal Winter Fair I purchased different types of smoked Ontario fish and as far as I can remember it was from Purdy's. Another Great Lakes fish that we enjoy when we can get it is Steelhead Trout. We've even found it at the Price Chopper (the bigger one by Zellers) in Collingwood and I've seen people bring in their catch from Georgian Bay, Lake Huron, Delicious fish; perhaps best described for me as a cross between trout and salmon. Grilled or planked. There used to be small operations (again in that Sarnia...Grand Bend area I think)where you could purchase fish and chicken that had been smoked with corn cobs. So goood. Does anyone know if there's anything like this still around and where?

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                    Jean Anthelme May 19, 2008 05:57 AM

                    I have had the Walleye from Purdy's in Sarnia. We buy it when we visit my father-in-law there.
                    Just as fresh and delicious as you could get. Highly, highly recommended.

            2. Under Salted May 14, 2008 10:22 AM

              a good experience? really? I lived near it for years and only went there to sit on the patio and drink things that came into the restaurant in bottles.

              1. JamieK May 14, 2008 05:49 AM

                Here's the website -
                http://www.snugharbourrestaurant.com/

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                Snug Harbour
                14 Stavebank Rd S, Mississauga, ON L5G2T1, CA

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                  mac n cheeze May 14, 2008 05:12 AM

                  It is still around

                  It's a fine neighborhood place - I am not sure it is worth a special trip. The crabcakes are pretty good (I have not found better ones in Toronto/GTA, but I have had better crabcakes elsewhere). The patio is nice on a sunny day and the beer goes down easy. The fish is always done well/tasty. We go there often because it is nearby and not too expensive

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                  1. re: mac n cheeze
                    drbelfer May 16, 2008 05:02 AM

                    Thanks, yes that is the place I remember -
                    One further question - can you recommend any other places- similar to Snug but in the city rather then in the outskirts?

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                      mac n cheeze May 16, 2008 05:27 AM

                      On the water? Or similar in terms of menu? Of atmosphere? All of the above?

                      "On the water dining" leaves something to be desired in Toronto, IMHO, generally speaking
                      In terms of casual, neighbourhoody places, with good atmosphere I like Weezie's - but it is a different menu

                      whereabouts int he city? there are many places in the Queen West area, Leslieville,

                      1. re: mac n cheeze
                        drbelfer May 19, 2008 04:48 AM

                        not sure yet where we are staying - looking for a suites hotel not too far out of city - just want to tour around downtown near the CN tower, shopping so a place near there I guess or I will have a car so can drive somewhere.

                        Similar menu would be what I am after, family friendly (have older teens), nothing too fancy or romantic, good food, choices on menu, fairly priced.

                        We plan to see the tower, do some shopping, take the Hippo tour. So anything around that area you can suggest would be apprecaited.

                      2. re: drbelfer
                        JamieK May 16, 2008 05:39 AM

                        Il Fornello on Queens Quay is central and has a patio overlooking Lake Ontario. Pretty good Italian fare, pizzas are tasty.
                        http://www.ilfornello.com/location_queensquay.html

                        Waterside Bistro is part of a sports club but open to the public. A patio deck is right on the water. Not fine dining by any means but great vew.
                        http://www.watersidesports.com/bistro...

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                        Waterside Bistro
                        255 Queens Quay E, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

                        Il Fornello
                        207 Queens Quay W, Toronto, ON M5J1A7, CA

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                          mac n cheeze May 16, 2008 06:21 AM

                          Oh - I'd forgotten about the Il Fornello there -- thanks

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