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"Apple Fries" rant

janetofreno May 13, 2008 11:10 PM

Not even sure if this should be in Chains...except that its meant for a little broader discussion. Does anyone besides me just get really bothered by the new Burger King product called "apple fries"? Basically they are apple slices peeled and cut to the shape of french fries, and served in a fry cup. Are our children that spoiled that they will only eat things if they think they are something else? Do we really have to shape apples like fries? What's wrong with apples??? Shouldn't kids grow up knowing what a simple apple looks like??

OK, my rant is over. Thank you for listening. I just figured someone here would understand my angst....

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  1. HungryRubia RE: janetofreno May 14, 2008 09:33 AM

    I getcha! It's like my deep deep antipathy for that stupid book written by Jerry Seinfeld's wife..not really the same thing but it ties in to the whole deception thing.
    It's a marketing ploy plain and simple. Some bad culinary trompe l'oeil if you may.

    1. misnatalie RE: janetofreno May 14, 2008 11:59 AM

      I agree, nothing is wrong with just apples but sometimes a little trickery works to get kids to eat things they might not like. I used to use a cookie cutter to shape my niece's sandwiches so she would be more interested in it. I think kids should want to eat an apple on its would but if they don't. Personally I don't think kids should EVER eat B.K. anyway, then again I don't have kids so maybe I shouldn't judge.

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        ESNY RE: janetofreno May 14, 2008 01:06 PM

        I dont understand.

        Kids are kids and they like eating things that look fun, not to mention are easy to eat.
        See the colored ketchups, wavy cut carrot slices, frozen food cut into funny shapes, etc.

        Dont take this personally, but I think people get too hung up on blaming fast food restaurants for everything. Just cause they are serving an apple, probably peeled, and cut into matchsticks, suddenly a kid doesn't know what an apple looks like? Do you have a problem with supermarkets selling baby carrots or carrot sticks cause a kid wont know what a real carrot looks like? Its a convenience. No peeling the apple, no slicing the apple, no dealing with the pits/core. Like it or not, lots of people take their family to fast food restaurants for lunch/dinner on the go (not to mention how inexpensive, relatively, they are) and this sounds like a decent way to get them to eat more fruit.

        This kind of reminds me of an article i read in the last year about a farmer, I believe in New York State, who grew carrots (sweet carrots) and was trying to get certified/permitted to sell the carrots in elementary school, going so far as to getting/building a machine that would wash, peel and slice the carrots into "chips" and then individually wrap servings but was running into bureaucratic hurdles to do so. Everyone was trying to help him sell the carrots as part of the kids lunchs and were glad the kids would finally get some vegetables. In the same vein as BK apple fries, would you have a problem with this because of the carrot "chips" rather than whole carrots?

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          manraysky RE: ESNY May 14, 2008 04:18 PM

          Well said.

          If the apple fries were actually fried, I'd have a problem with it. But if "apple fries" at BK makes a kid more likely to eat an apple, I don't have a problem with it. I don't see it as any different than making a smiley face out of strawberry slices on a pancake.

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            KevinB RE: manraysky May 14, 2008 11:42 PM

            I wish I could remember where I read this, but back in the 1970's, some wag wrote that Americans would eat anything so long as it was deep fried and looked and felt exactly like a french fry.

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              cresyd RE: manraysky May 15, 2008 07:23 AM

              I'm fine with the idea of "renaming" foods, particularly if they lose no nutritional value. "Apple fries" are far better than Jessica Seinfeld's "toss vegetables in brownies" - where the amount of veggie isn't that significant.

              However, I wonder how much of the apple gets wasted in this process to make them. I'm assuming that the "appeal" of apple fries is that they lack the skin - but for me to imagine an apple creating something that even kinda looks like a mini french fry...how much of each apple can they use? And what kinda jumbo genetically modified apple must be used. I'm not a BK fan in any way, and kids don't need to go there - but I could see that being something used at home for kids. So long as one order of apple fries didn't require three apples or something.

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                jmichael RE: cresyd Sep 21, 2008 09:12 PM

                To process an apple with a peel off product would require you to peel and core each apple to remove the seeds , stem, blossum and skin. The normal loss is 35% of the original apple weight and the number of apples you would have to use to create say one pound of a finished fry cut would be determined on the size of the original apple and its quality. They would not need a genetically modified apple nor do they use a genetically modified potato that is peeled and cut up to create a potato "french fry" Both use a machine that cut many other products that must be diced or cut to length or even into say a cube like a diced carrot. I am impressed with the ease of eating the peeled apple "Fry Cut" Apple of Burger King. There is no more waste in doing this than say making your home made apple sauce or a slice or dice of apple for your apple pie. I am impressed with what Burger King has developed to allow us all to have our "Apple a Day" with little effort involved in consuming a product that is good for all to eat.

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              danna RE: ESNY May 16, 2008 07:32 AM

              Well said, indeed. Considering the current trend among adults to pay large prices to have their food liquified, encased in a gelatin ball, and served in a puddle of foam, it seems absurd to criticize someone for trying to make food more interesting for kids.

            3. rworange RE: janetofreno May 14, 2008 08:46 PM

              How do they taste?

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                Linda VH RE: rworange May 15, 2008 07:25 AM

                I've got to say I LOVE that BK is doing this! I've been raising an 11 year old for the last 6 months and he loves apples but...... if he can get them already cut up he'll go for them every time. What a great idea!

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                  Suzy Q RE: Linda VH Aug 14, 2008 08:22 PM

                  I probably shouldn't admit it, but I'm the same way - I much prefer to eat an apple that's sliced/quartered/whatever. Guess I'm still a little kid at heart.

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                dagwood RE: janetofreno May 15, 2008 08:19 AM

                I get your angst but I also get the marketing behind doing it, the push for more nutritious options but making them kid-friendly, etc. I have a 7 year old and a 4 year old, and we do go to BK on very rare occasions, but my kids know it's not the healthiest choice. And having an option like apple fries gives me more bargaining leverage, i.e., you can have chocolate milk instead of white or you can have fries instead of apples but not both, so then they pick. It works pretty well, and teaches them balance. I have friends who NEVER allow their kids anything even slightly unhealthy (I'm not kidding, they serve carrots for dessert. I'm seriously not kidding), and when those kids go to parties they just devour the garbage until they're literally pulled away from it. It's all about balance, and choices, and it's important to start teaching that a young age, rather than eliminate all unhealthy options altogether.

                That's my $.02. Sorry if I went a little off topic.....

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                  spellweaver16 RE: dagwood May 15, 2008 07:24 PM

                  My mom was just like your friends. Whenever I went to my gran's house, I would literally eat myself sick because the treats were suddenly available to me.

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                    HungryRubia RE: dagwood May 16, 2008 07:05 AM

                    That's a very good point. I guess I just wish that we didn't have to resort to such marketing tactics, but it's better than them not offering any healthy alternatives at all.

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                      Rick RE: dagwood May 17, 2008 10:55 AM

                      I have family like your friends! The kids are only allowed to eat healthy, then at a party ALL they eat is junk food while their parents aren't watching.

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                        Morticia RE: Rick Aug 23, 2008 10:14 PM

                        But you want to know something strange? Those same kids will probably grow up and later revert to the healthier ways of their parents - I know it sounds bizarre, but I was raised with all whole-wheat, vegetables, no sugar cereals, no soda. I went through a period of rebellion, for sure, but then, guess what? I realized that the foods I had been eating all along actually tasted better to me than all that processed junk. To this day, I prefer whole grains to processed, hardly ever add sugar to anything, and I would rather drink water than soda. I can't say the same for my friends that were raised on the stuff!

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                      Orchid64 RE: janetofreno May 17, 2008 02:14 AM

                      Kids are influenced by shapes to a much greater extent than adults when it comes to food. If you're ever seen a kid who wanted his sandwich cut into triangles, rather than rectangles, you have witnessed this.

                      It's not that there is anything wrong with apples, but this is a fast food place and they aren't going to just hand over an apple. They have to prepare it somehow and make it more attractive. Peeling, coring, and cutting into sizes kids can eat is a good idea to encourage them to eat the apples.

                      I'm not sure what your angst is about. People who eat apples in their own homes peel them and cut them into wedges (I know I do). The apple "fries" are essentially the same thing in a different shape. If anything, I'm glad that the fast food places are trying to sell fruit to augment the nutritionally suspect meals they serve.

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                        rworange RE: Orchid64 May 17, 2008 08:24 AM

                        Yes, but BK then chose to process the apples in the worse way ... deep-frying them ... and perhaps battered? Don't know about the batter since my local BK doesn't have apple fries.

                        McDonalds and Wendy's on the other had just cut up the apples. Wendy's is the best with the option of kids fruit cups instead of fries. McDonalds does include a caramel dipping sauce which is optional but even if used, it isn't that big or unhealthy.

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                          Halie RE: rworange May 17, 2008 09:17 AM

                          I don't think they're fried or even baked (the latter of which is delicious with a little cinnamon, actually). Just cut up into matchsticks.

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                            Humbucker RE: rworange May 17, 2008 09:20 AM

                            Burger King's apple fries are just raw apples cut to resemble french fries. They aren't deep fried or battered.

                        2. notmartha RE: janetofreno Aug 7, 2008 07:31 PM

                          The problem I would have is what kind of chemicals they have to put on the fries to make them not brown?

                          Actually I am disappointed that they are not fried like the Legoland Apple Fries. Sure it is not that great for you, but it tasted good and everything in moderation.

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                            stilton RE: notmartha Aug 8, 2008 02:17 AM

                            Ascorbic acid. Egads!

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                              rockycat RE: stilton Aug 8, 2008 06:48 AM

                              Oh, no! Another unpronouncable CHEMICAL they're putting on our poor, defenseless children's food! Save us all from the coming apocolypse!

                              Ascorbic acid is Vitamin C. Next specious panic, please.

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                                stilton RE: rockycat Aug 11, 2008 09:10 PM

                                Really? Next thing you're going to tell me sodium chloride and dihydrous oxide are additives in soup? What is the world coming to??

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                                  jmckee RE: stilton Aug 12, 2008 10:58 AM

                                  Never NEVER dihydrous oxide. Only wine or stock :-)

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                                    TampaAurora RE: jmckee Aug 12, 2008 06:10 PM

                                    For years, my students and faculty have been duped into banning the evil Dihydrogen Monoxide! Down with DHMO!

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                                      jfood RE: TampaAurora Aug 12, 2008 06:33 PM

                                      jfood just saw a 12 pack of Organic DHMO at TJ's for $12. And then walking past the freezer department he also found "Frozen Organic DMHO" - 5 lbs. for $10. Can;t wait to get home and throw them both in the blender for a great Smoothy.

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                            laliz RE: janetofreno Aug 8, 2008 08:56 AM

                            As a parent who peeled and cut up endless, countless apples if I expected the child to even eat part of it ~~ I think the idea of 'apple fries' is great in the fast food world. Yes, there is no need to go to BK but the reality is that kids will go to BK, either with or without their own parents (i.e. with friends, or for birthday parties, etc.)

                            I give BK a big thumbs up for this idea

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                              Angela Roberta RE: janetofreno Aug 8, 2008 09:02 AM

                              I understand your angst, janetofreno. And though I understand that Burger King is looking to make a profit--nothing wrong with that--I can still dislike this impulse in our society to keep children in a perpetual state of delight and stimulation. A plain apple...from a tree? Next you'll want sneakers without lights or wheels.

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                                jmckee RE: Angela Roberta Aug 12, 2008 10:54 AM

                                Amen. We are teaching our children that food shouldn't be good to eat unless we adapt its shapes and colors to their desires. Or rather, to our PERCEPTION of their desires.

                                I really think we've made a habit of doing our children a disservice by assuming they're too fussy to like food the way it really is. So many adults have divorced themselves from food that they project their own anxieties (and guilt perhaps?) onto their children's palates.

                                If you raise a child to only accept certain foods in certain ways, to need to be fooled into eating fruit or vegetables -- or anything other than burgers, nuggets, fries, or what have you -- then you will raise a child like my niece, who is 10 and does not know any food other than chicken nuggets, ground beef, and macaroni from a box. (She even hates ranch dressing -- which is a first, in my experience with children.)

                                Not me, man. I have a happy and healthy 15-year-old eater with a devotion to broccoli, a mania for apples, and a passion for seafood. He eats what other families sadly think of as "normal" too -- but there aren't too many foods he won't try at least once. Raw onions and mushrooms (under most circumstances) seem to be his current chief limits.

                                I am AMAZED that so many people in this enlightened company think this ridiculous concept is OK.

                              2. jfood RE: janetofreno Aug 8, 2008 01:50 PM

                                Bravo to BK for trying to better the consumption of our children. For years jfood has been reading and agreeing with how bad french fries are, how people are up in arms about the obesity issue, how parents are negligent in teaching their children healthier eating habits. BK listened and created "apple fries". Maybe their mistake was in the name since there seems to be some confusion over the fresh versus fried presentation (jfood thinking HL Mencken at this point). But what is wrong with serving raw apple, sliced in a rectangular shape? Jfood may have missed the memo, but french fries are not the only food product served "julienned".

                                And why is it so bad? Why do some people always want to see the bad motivation in everything some companies do?

                                As for jfood, he APPLAUDS a company that wants to serve julienned apples to our youth. Go BK on this one.

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                                  Firegoat RE: jfood Aug 12, 2008 06:31 AM

                                  I agree. In fact if someone would come to my house and cut up my apples for me each day I bet I'd quadruple my apple consumption.

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                                    danhole RE: Firegoat Aug 12, 2008 12:26 PM

                                    I bought an apple slicer for my daughter's house, because I was sick of slicing the apples. So in one clean swoop, viola! 6 wedges of apple. The kids think it's pretty magical. I can only imagine how enthralled they would be with apple "fries." And you know, there is nothing wrong with making kids food look fun. I often have made fun faces out of good healthy food. I did it with my girls and I do it with the grandkids.

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                                      LindaWhit RE: danhole Aug 13, 2008 09:49 AM

                                      That's doable - use a corer and then use a french fry maker/hand press. You could be the BEST grandpa!

                                      http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I...

                                      http://www.acooksbestfriend.com/membe...

                                      And while I agree with the OP on why do we have to make natural food look like something familiar to kids (why can't they just eat an apple out of hand?), I also applaud that BK is doing this. If it gets kids eating more fresh fruit, great. But....that should come from the parents themselves, who were probably buying the kids the french fries in the first place. That's where the proper eating habits should have come from.

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                                    KevinB RE: jfood Aug 15, 2008 02:11 AM

                                    Sorry, jfood, put me in the "evil corporation" category on this one. The next thing you know, people will take healthy, wholesome foods like carrots and celery, and cut them into little sticks, calling them "carrot fries" or "celery fries", something no self-respecting adult would ever eat.

                                    Now excuse me, I have to go have some Buffalo wings.

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                                      jfood RE: KevinB Aug 15, 2008 03:53 AM

                                      guess you do not like how the french, japanese and other chefs make shapes out of potatoes, carrots and other vegetables for their stews and sashimi platters either?

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                                        KevinB RE: jfood Aug 15, 2008 04:36 AM

                                        I was trying to be arch; I guess I failed. Where I live, the standard accompaniment to Buffalo wings are carrot and celery sticks.

                                        Actually, I think anything that gets kids to eat fresh fruit instead of fried starch is a good idea.

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                                          jfood RE: KevinB Aug 15, 2008 04:40 AM

                                          oops, sorry KB.

                                  3. alkapal RE: janetofreno Aug 13, 2008 08:22 AM

                                    i would like to try the apple fry dipped in batter and deep fried, so i can eat it with vanilla ice cream and a drizzle (ok, gob) of caramel sauce. now, which fast food place will step up to the plate (so to speak!)?

                                    about the op's issue: kids like fun food. apple fries, good.

                                    people are always griping about fast food places not serving "nutritious, healthful" foods. now, when they do, people gripe. geesh!

                                    btw, would you please pass me my whopper junior with extra pickles and onions......?

                                    1. Miss Needle RE: janetofreno Aug 13, 2008 10:05 AM

                                      Your viewpoint is similar to Marion Nestle's. I've heard her speak, and she was ranting about the whole Spongebob carrots -- carrotsticks wrapped in a Spongebob plastic bag. She was saying that children should learn how to enjoy carrots on its own.

                                      I can understand your point, but I feel that if this helps children eat healthier foods such as carrots and apples instead of Twinkies, it's a great marketing ploy. Children don't live in a bubble and are inundated with Spongebob sugary cereals, Star Wars collectible soda cups. Being a child once, I remember that I wasn't too keen eating lots of healthy things. But I could see myself wanting to eat apples if they were labeled apple fries or eating carrot sticks if they were wrapped up in a Smurf bag. Marketing affects children a lot more than adults. Adults have the capacity to reason and discriminate, and not take advertisements at face value (although a lot of them do). Children tend to believe everything they hear and watch.

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                                        kmcarr RE: Miss Needle Aug 13, 2008 01:03 PM

                                        I whole heartedly agree with you MN. With all due respect to Ms. Nestle how is wrapping a carrot in a Spongebob bag that different from generations of parents telling their little ones to "open the hanger, here comes the airplane" (all while making silly noises) to get them to eat certain items. There have been so many studies on the long term benefits to children if they snack on healthy items as opposed to sugar and fat, that I would be happy to accept any extra bit of marketing.

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                                        HillJ RE: janetofreno Aug 13, 2008 01:28 PM

                                        Could it be possible that BK was thinking of BK before it was thinking of our kids?
                                        The pressure to make fast food healthy, coupled with the competition to offer an apple like "the other guys do"...how does BK keep its image, its mission, it's LOVE for french fries and still join the push to offer fresh & healthy fast food. Shaping an apple to look like a french fry may just be BK's way of keeping its own self-image in tact.

                                        What I'd like to know is how fresh the apples stay? What are they putting on those apples to keep them from browning? sidebar: My gf works for Starbucks and since instituting the banana smoothies she's seen alot of brown spotted bananas hit the trash...or go home with employees (she's been making banana bread for her family) because the company will not allow spotted or brown bananas (overly ripe) to be added to the drink recipe....

                                        so how do you feel about the waste that must be occurring with apple fries?

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                                          Firegoat RE: HillJ Aug 13, 2008 01:36 PM

                                          What about the waste with the bread they use? or the tomatoes?

                                          Is it possible BK was thinking of BK first? Yes. That's how they stay in business. Is there going to be waste if they offer a fresh fruit item?
                                          Yes.
                                          Is there waste if I buy a bag of apples at the grocery store?
                                          Almost always.

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                                            HillJ RE: Firegoat Aug 13, 2008 02:11 PM

                                            Firegoat I'd love to know how many menu items using tomatoes BK goes thru against how many apple fries they sell. Bread is frozen.

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                                              Firegoat RE: HillJ Aug 14, 2008 04:55 AM

                                              More than 3 million BK Fresh Apple Fries sold nationwide at Burger King restaurants in five weeks.-- Chain Leader, 8/12/2008 8:11:00 AM

                                              MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Burger King Corp. (NYSE:BKC) announced today that since the June 30 launch of BK(tm) Fresh Apple Fries - fresh-cut, skinless red apples sliced to resemble real french fries - more than three million servings have been sold, 85% higher than originally projected.
                                              http://www.chainleader.com/article/CA...

                                              Also indicates they are "fresh cut" .... I've had good luck storing non cut apples for quite some time with proper precautions taken. I do not work at BK, nor do I know anyone who does, so I have no idea if this is true.

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                                                HillJ RE: Firegoat Aug 14, 2008 05:22 AM

                                                Inquiry minds, I'm going to do my homework and find out. Apples as snacks or as an item in their salads, yogurt cups..makes me wonder if BK is using a "frenching" gadget to cut apples in their site kitchens and then using a lemon solution to keep them fresh. Can't be that hard to find out. Firegoat, I appreciate the link.

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                                                  Blueicus RE: HillJ Aug 14, 2008 12:15 PM

                                                  They could also store them in packages with inert gases to prevent the oxidation process.

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                                            jfood RE: HillJ Aug 13, 2008 02:38 PM

                                            jfood purchased a crudite platter at his favorite employee owned store last week. When he picked it up he noticed that they cut the jicama into the shape of "french fries". Then right next to those jicama fries were carrots also shaped like french fries. Then to the horror of the situation, jfood saw the red peppers also looking remarkably like those rectangles of terror.

                                            A scream erupted from jfood's lungs that caused the produce man to come over to see what caused this situation. When jfood told him how dare he try to sell something healthy in a store that sells those other foods of the devil, like hot dogs, bacon, Bubba Burgers and HD ice cream.

                                            When the produce manager explained that the shape was that of juliennes, it calmed jfood. As a sign of good faith, he gave jfood an apple for his troubles.

                                            It was a great apple and jfood's friends enjoyed the julienned crudites.

                                            One needs to find good every day to keep a smile on your face and a skip in your step.

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                                              HillJ RE: jfood Aug 13, 2008 03:26 PM

                                              jfood you have my utmost respect as a wordsmith but I am at a loss as to how this answer my question :) I love apples as much as the next gal. No reply needed. Enjoy.

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                                                jfood RE: HillJ Aug 13, 2008 03:36 PM

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                                                TY, Sorry about not answering the question but jfood would gladly trade a few wasted apple skins for kids eating healthier.

                                                But let jfood ask a question. Is there anything that BK or Ruby Tiesdays or any other QSR do that would be saisfactory? They try to present something healthy and still the "they must have ulterior motive" response. And can anyone name a restaurant or company or individual that does not want to make more money?

                                                Why can;t they get some credit when credit is due.

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                                                  HillJ RE: jfood Aug 13, 2008 03:42 PM

                                                  As I said to Firegoat my post didn't bash BK I asked a question about how long the apples would last before spoiling and what if anything is used to keep them from turning brown. Apples sold as an item not as a food placed inside a menu item.

                                                  Why the "what will satisfy you" response..I don't see that argument on my side at all. Nor did I mean to imply it.

                                                  As for stating the obvious,lol...what chowhound doesn't go there from time to time. Peace.

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                                                    jfood RE: HillJ Aug 13, 2008 04:44 PM

                                                    jfood apologizes for inferring from your post on the downtrodding of BK. After reading it again it can be read both ways.

                                                    nd you are right that these boards are filled with BK-bashing (amongst others).

                                                    Peace right back atcha.

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                                              notmartha RE: HillJ Aug 13, 2008 07:53 PM

                                              I saw online that they claim to use lemon juice to keep the apples from browning, which is OK. But you know McD's have the apple cut up in wedges with caramel sauce for kids instead of fries for a long time, and it doesn't encourage my kid to eat it. Why? Because the couple of times he tried it, the apples either weren't fresh or didn't taste good (sour or not crunchy). The icky thing was the apples looked OK - not brown, but when you bite into them you know they've past their prime.

                                              I think some kids have taste buds, you may get them to try them once for the novelty factor, but if the apples don't taste good - or as good as the fresh ones you can get from farmer's market or Whole Paycheck, they won't get it the next time.

                                              Also, I actually liked BK's fries - they are better than most fast food chains, so there's no way I can see my family trading them for apple fries.

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                                                Lizard RE: notmartha Aug 14, 2008 05:08 AM

                                                If you're taking your children to BK it could be for a number of reasons-- few of them gastronomic. I agree that the apples could be nasty (I hate how some places only offer red delicious apples whose mealiness could put a person off) but at the same time, I'm happy that parents who choose to go to fast food have this fresh fruit option.

                                                I'd also like to point out that 'apples in hand' can be difficult on kids who are losing their teeth. At this age, it is nice to give them easier to eat options.

                                            3. Chew on That RE: janetofreno Aug 14, 2008 08:41 AM

                                              I am in TOTAL agreement! It does seem quite sad that they can't just throw a whole apple in there, or even just regular apple slices.

                                              But...I've given it some more thought and I think it's more a marketing ploy than anything indicative of the public. They're trying to fit apples into the "fast food theme" so they do a play on fries and ketchup with apple slices and caramel packets. It could be considered cute, I just hope that isn't the only exposure kids get to apples.

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                                                alkapal RE: Chew on That Aug 14, 2008 11:25 AM

                                                i just know, whenever i visit my mom, and she cuts up fruit for me, i am happy to eat it -- even though it is sitting there waiting to be eaten. maybe it is the love that goes into it! ;-)

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                                                Potomac Bob RE: janetofreno Aug 14, 2008 01:00 PM

                                                Is it mandatory for the kids to either buy or eat the apple fries?

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                                                  alkapal RE: Potomac Bob Aug 15, 2008 06:25 AM

                                                  potomac bob, it may be in the future!!! (food police, ya know...)

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                                                  ilikefood RE: janetofreno Aug 14, 2008 04:34 PM

                                                  janetofreno - Is this your attempt to prove to BK the truth in the sayings : "Damned if you do. Damned if you don't." and "No good dead goes unpunished." ?

                                                  As for your questions, excuse the lame attempt at humor but it's my way of responding at the deserved level of the q's- "Are our children that spoiled that they will only eat things if they think they are something else?" I refuse to spoil my kids. I've always served them only whole unprepared raw foods. Such as a live chicken and a unpeeled raw potato. Don't want my kids thinking food is naturally cooked, cut or modified in any way to be edible.
                                                  "Shouldn't kids grow up knowing what a simple apple looks like??" I think that's a decision left up to the parents. That's why parents have a choice to live in Burger Kingland (where Burger Kings are the only place to get food) or everywhere else (you know, where there are grocery stores/food markets).

                                                  I do agree w/ you on one thing, your post IS a rant.

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                                                    Lizard RE: ilikefood Aug 14, 2008 11:07 PM

                                                    I, for one, like your answer. I was tempted to note how spoiled the later generations were for such soft treatment, preferring crudite plates with CUT UP VEGETABLES! And maybe even a bowl of hummus rather than a bag of dried chickpeas.

                                                    It seems to me nice that a parent who opts to go to BK (because as you note, save for the people who live in the dictatorial monarchy, there are choices beyond) can get something fresh.

                                                    As I noted before, kids of a certain age are losing the baby teeth and that can make eating a whole apple a challenge. That someone has cut it up can be an appreciated convenience. And as for those above who've also been grateful for a precut apple, I'd like to point out that a dentist once told me that that was the preferred way to eat an apple: biting in is fun, but apparently giving our teeth a workout that may challenge the needed lifespan. Also: don't use your teeth to try to open things.

                                                    As for the name, unfortunate, but you know, for parents trying to switch a child's diet, the name might take the edge off of any sense of deprivation, Yes, I know that as chowhounds we all know the value of an apple, but if some people need the assistance in the switch-- well, I'd rather not take this fight. As a person who deals with young adults, I can say there are certain other problems that the youth of today are bringing with them into adulthood. but this is not the place to list said observations. Plus, even if the phenomena are related, I will blame the parents because it speaks to a greater pattern of indulgence and obfuscation.
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                                                    There are so many things to blame BK for, but this doesn't seem to be it.

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                                                    Kagey RE: janetofreno Aug 15, 2008 04:29 AM

                                                    I clicked this post thinking that there were going to be fried apples here. Very disappointing. If the apples were indeed fried, I'd probably be on my way to BK right now to check that out!

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                                                      alkapal RE: Kagey Aug 15, 2008 06:26 AM

                                                      seriously! ;-)

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                                                      jmichael RE: janetofreno Aug 20, 2008 09:53 PM

                                                      I went to 4 different BKings the other day and finally was able to purchase the apple fry. I too thought when I first heard of the apple fries being developed at Burger King that they would be Fried like a Potato French Fry. I was pleased to find a peel off "French Fry Cut of Apple" that had been treated with Vit C and was easier to eat than a Peel on Slice of Apple. If this product allows for an increase in the consumption of fresh fruit more power to what is going on at Burger King with this new "Fry Cut" of a Fresh Cut apple. Yes they have to make money like every other business in our Country. If this is a way to increase the profit then keep trying new cuts and or recipies just like this chowhound site allows for us all to trade back and forth our own different ways of producing and putting food on our plates or someone else's plate. Maybe school lunch will be able to offer a fry cut or slice of apple that won't require the core and peel to be thrown away to the tune of 30% of the whole apple that is recovered when processing this product let alone pay to throw the core etc. away. I have tried to make fried apples at home and would rather work on a battered and baked slice or fry than a deep fat fried item. How about a bite of apple that is good for your teeth and has a nutritional value for you too. I would be open to any recipe that would work with a piece of fruit inside to enjoy with the baked on batter to boot. This is a great site to explore new foods and frontiers where we can eat and allow others to enjoy what we eat.

                                                      1. Firegoat RE: janetofreno Aug 23, 2008 04:07 AM

                                                        I see the chow supertaster gave the apple fries a try. Sounds like he liked them pretty much.

                                                        http://www.chow.com/stories/11283

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                                                          jfood RE: Firegoat Aug 23, 2008 01:59 PM

                                                          jfood was not going to read the link but Brazil is beating the U in V'ball so needed some diversions. He first read the review of the Skinny Cow ice cream cones and thought the guy did a good job so he read the fries review Nicce job on both.

                                                        2. Pablo RE: janetofreno Aug 25, 2008 11:50 AM

                                                          Reminds me of one of my favorite scenes from Fawlty Towers series when the hotel manager Basil Fawlty is dealing with a child (Master Heath) who prefers a different fried potato shape:

                                                          Basil Fawlty: [overseeing dinner, he approaches a table where Mrs. Heath is eating with her son Ronald] Everything all right here?
                                                          Mrs. Heath: Well...
                                                          Master Heath: [cutting in] I don't like the chips. The chips are awful.
                                                          Basil Fawlty: Really? How so?
                                                          Master Heath: They're the wrong shape and they're just awful.
                                                          Mrs. Heath: Ah, he's very clever... rather highly strung.
                                                          Basil Fawlty: [forcing himself to smile] Highly strung... Yes, he should be.
                                                          Master Heath: [to Basil] These eggs look like *you* laid them. Haven't you got any *proper* chips?
                                                          Basil Fawlty: These *are* proper French-fried potatoes. The chef is Continental.
                                                          Master Heath: Couldn't you get an English one?
                                                          Mrs. Heath: Why don't you just eat one or two, dear?
                                                          Master Heath: Because they're the wrong *shape*.
                                                          Basil Fawlty: Oh, my... What shape do you prefer? Mickey Mouse shape? Smarties shape? Amphibious landing-craft shape? Poke-in-the-eye shape?

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                                                            thinks too much RE: janetofreno Aug 25, 2008 12:14 PM

                                                            While people were arguing what had been done to the apples, perhaps this will shed some light on it. In all probability, they are not fresh cut. Furthermore, leaving the core attached is antithetical to the tenets of most fast food: hand held comestibles, leaving behind only paper waste. They are designed for convenient eating often in a car.

                                                            http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/12/mag...

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                                                              Firegoat RE: thinks too much Aug 25, 2008 12:27 PM

                                                              wow. that was pretty fascinating reading. Thank you for posting it.

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                                                                jfood RE: thinks too much Aug 25, 2008 01:40 PM

                                                                jfood found the best part that they sell at BK, as well as "under the in-house brand at Whole Foods and for the organic bagged-salad giant Earthbound Farm"

                                                                PT Barnum lives yet again.

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                                                                  HillJ RE: thinks too much Aug 25, 2008 07:02 PM

                                                                  I'm bringing this article to the office tomorrow. Unbelievable.

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                                                                  Potomac Bob RE: janetofreno Sep 13, 2008 11:04 AM

                                                                  If they taste good, why do I care what shape they're in.

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                                                                    jmichael RE: Potomac Bob Sep 13, 2008 07:01 PM

                                                                    I agree with you , why does it matter what shape they are if they taste good. Then why complain as to the cut that is used. Plus with peel off product the ease of eating the apple CUT becomes a plus versus a Peel left on Product. Ease of eating does come into play as we have become lazy even in our "speed of consumption" for any food product. If the texture is too hard or too soft we then have other issues as well. Taste really is the key as back in the mid 80's I was involved in developing some of the first fresh cut sliced apples with the peel left on. The chemicals and process that we used caused the end sliced product to taste like Rocket Fuel yet it had a longer shelf life than the current product being used by most fresh sliced apple manufactures. Regardless of the "Cut" the taste , texture , and ease of eating comes into play and what I see in the "Fry Cut" allows the person of any age group to enjoy the Apple "Cut" regardless of shape of texture. You also do not have to allow a partially eaten apple to oxidize or turn brown while you go about eating the rest of your meal only to come back to a apple that has turned brown and thus ends up being thrown away because of that. More power to Burger King for coming up with a fresh cut that is easy to eat and allows for the ease of all to eat. Thank you Potomac Bob for you comment about the shape of this product. Taste and a nutritious product should be what we all desire to pay our money for.

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