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  <id>517800</id>
  <title>Cr&#232;me fra&#238;che in Toronto</title>
  <published_at>Sat May 10 11:42:02 -0700 2008</published_at>
  <post_count>18</post_count>
  <board>
    <id>23</id>
    <name>Ontario (including Toronto)</name>
  </board>
  <posts>
    <post>
      <post>
        <level>0</level>
        <id>3674762</id>
        <content>Anyone know where to get good Cr&#232;me Fra&#238;che in Toronto....</content>
        <published_at>Sat May 10 11:42:03 -0700 2008</published_at>
        <parent_id></parent_id>
        <user>
          <id>133427</id>
          <name>Westfalen</name>
        </user>
      </post>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3674804</id>
      <content>I haven't done this myself, but you can make creme fraiche yourself...just google it, and you'll find a bunch of links.</content>
      <published_at>Sat May 10 12:13:33 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>190508</id>
        <name>Darksyde</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3674969</id>
      <content>Naturally Summerhill Market carries it but I've even seen it at Sun Valley on the Danforth.</content>
      <published_at>Sat May 10 13:52:07 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674804</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>100701</id>
        <name>millygirl</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3675003</id>
      <content>A couple of cheese places at St. Lawrence have it.  I've bought it specifically at the one at the southeast corner of the market.</content>
      <published_at>Sat May 10 14:13:46 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>15482</id>
        <name>NovoCuisine</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3675333</id>
      <content>I've seen it at the Loblaws on Queens Quay.  Where they have the milk/cream.</content>
      <published_at>Sat May 10 16:26:27 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>188217</id>
        <name>budeeez</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3675403</id>
      <content>Some of the chain supermarkets (most often Loblaws) have it, though not all the time. It's in the dairy case, but different stores keep it in different sections (some near the sour cream, some elsewhere).

Most of the upmarket stores have it, including Pusateri's, Summerhill, Whole Foods, Sun Valley, Nunzio's, Bruno's.

Alex Farm sometimes has a particularly good version. There's also a new entrant, Liberte, who has a creme fraiche that is much cheaper than the norm. I've seen it at Pusateri's and at Summerhill. The Liberte stuff works well in recipes, but the flavour is more muted than I prefer.

The Western Creamery sour cream with 30% butterfat is a very good substitute for creme fraiche - different but virtually interchangeable.

It's very easy to make your own. The classic DIY recipes mix buttermilk with whipping cream and leave it at room temperature for a while, until it thickens. Complications include UHT creams, which sometimes work and sometimes don't, and buttermilks that don't have active cultures. Hewitt's whipping cream mixed with Western sour cream makes a very tasty version, as does the Loblaw's double cream mixed with Western sour cream..</content>
      <published_at>Sat May 10 17:04:23 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>23411</id>
        <name>embee</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3675536</id>
      <content>It's super easy to make... I've been using this simple recipe for years.... lightly whisk together 1 cup whipping cream, 1 cup sour cream (must be regular versus non or low fat)... let it sit for 24 hours at room temperature covered, then put in the fridge (covered) for at least four hours to chill.... I put it in jam jars with those rubbery lids...  It will last for days and has tons of applications.  

Alternatively Loblaws sells it as "triple cream" - I believe.  One of my favourite latin groceries in Kensington, Latin American Emporium, 243 Augusta Avenue, sells a 500ml tub for under $4 - unless price has gone up.</content>
      <published_at>Sat May 10 18:12:56 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>104498</id>
        <name>Moimoi</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3678527</id>
      <content>I've gotten Crema in Kensington many times for Mexican dinners but I didn't make the connection to creme fraiche.  Do you think it is the same thing Moimoi?  It's delicious but maybe not quite as tangy, and you can't beat that price.</content>
      <published_at>Mon May 12 07:09:38 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3675536</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>12840</id>
        <name>Mila</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3697609</id>
      <content>It's been a while since I've had the stuff from Kensington, so I don't remember, but I will buy it again the next time I'm there just so I'll know for future reference... 

But as I was saying, it's SO EASY to make that and the retail prices of creme fraiche are so ridiculous that it would kill me to buy it.  If you get a small no name sour cream and whipping cream, you can make 500 mls of the stuff for under $4.  On a couple of occasions when I've needed a "hit" I've substituted Liberty Yogurt (the M&#233;diterran&#233;e 8.5% fat type), but only if  coupling it with certain desserty things...</content>
      <published_at>Sat May 17 21:17:09 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3678527</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>104498</id>
        <name>Moimoi</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3677418</id>
      <content>Loblaws at Leslie/Eastern sells in a a white container, properly labeled as creme fraiche.  It's NOT in the milk/cream section but between near the sour cream/butter/processed cheese section (across the bakery section).  The price is approx. $9-10.  Whether it's any good, I can't say...</content>
      <published_at>Sun May 11 16:51:10 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>162654</id>
        <name>DishyDiva</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3679459</id>
      <content>La Fromagerie &amp; College &amp; Concord carries it.</content>
      <published_at>Mon May 12 11:08:42 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>182736</id>
        <name>Bobby Wham</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3679552</id>
      <content>St. Lawrence market at one of the cheese stores (check the fridge- it's a small tub, imported from France) or try Whole Foods- (they have larger 500 ml tubs made locally)</content>
      <published_at>Mon May 12 11:30:23 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>127580</id>
        <name>Merriam</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3680271</id>
      <content>Does anyone know where I can get Creme Fraiche in Thornhill / Mississauga area? I live in Thornhill but I also cook often in Mississauga chez boyfriend.</content>
      <published_at>Mon May 12 14:26:40 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>167931</id>
        <name>exquisite</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3688626</id>
      <content>This is a bit of a stretch, since this is in Markham, but Michaelangelo's at Woodbine and Hwy 7 carries the Liberte brand of creme fraiche.</content>
      <published_at>Wed May 14 21:30:38 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3680271</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>103487</id>
        <name>lsk</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3692237</id>
      <content>Highland Farms, on Hurontario south of the 401, carries creme fraiche from Liberte as well as a more expensive tub from Local Dairy Products.</content>
      <published_at>Thu May 15 19:59:45 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3680271</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>25124</id>
        <name>gnuf</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>1</level>
      <id>3691650</id>
      <content>Monforte Dairy is making a goat's milk creme fraiche.  I have yet to try it, but most of her stuff is really good.  Ruth is usually at the St Lawrence North Market on Saturdays, and lots of cheese shops around town carry her stuff.</content>
      <published_at>Thu May 15 16:13:22 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3674762</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>43422</id>
        <name>cheesymama</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>2</level>
      <id>3691784</id>
      <content>I read recently that she may be shutting down.  Apparently her lease has doubled and she didn't have the energy or inclination to start looking for a new spot.  They said she was thinking of moving to France for awhile.  I'd be interested to hear if she is still there this weekend.</content>
      <published_at>Thu May 15 16:58:24 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3691650</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>100701</id>
        <name>millygirl</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>3</level>
      <id>3692781</id>
      <content>She was there last week-end, but very busy so I didn't wait around for a chance to chat with her.  I'm hoping her lease doesn't expire for a while longer.  She put so much time and energy into starting up Monforte and perfecting her cheese recipes, it would be a shame to see her shut down.</content>
      <published_at>Fri May 16 05:04:32 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3691784</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>43422</id>
        <name>cheesymama</name>
      </user>
    </post>
    <post>
      <level>4</level>
      <id>3729923</id>
      <content>they had a table at our tiny little farmers market at st.  clair/wynchwood last week, and we purchased creme fraiche and 2 cheeses- 1 wine soaked, 1 goat. unbloody believably good.</content>
      <published_at>Thu May 29 03:39:57 -0700 2008</published_at>
      <parent_id>3692781</parent_id>
      <user>
        <id>148884</id>
        <name>zed1984</name>
      </user>
    </post>
  </posts>
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