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RicRios May 9, 2008 01:13 PM

Any idea where this weird custom comes from?
Pilgrims, Brits, Celts, other?

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  1. nofunlatte RE: RicRios May 9, 2008 01:20 PM

    I didn't realize it was weird!

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      Sean RE: nofunlatte May 9, 2008 01:30 PM

      It started during the Victorian era and became part of a traditional English breakfast.

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        BobB RE: nofunlatte May 9, 2008 01:58 PM

        From a global perspective it is fairly unusual. As Sean points out it started as an English custom and came to North America (and other former British colonies like Australia) from there. Asians don't eat eggs for breakfast, nor do most Europeans, except for the occasional hard-or soft-boiled one in the shell, mainly in northern countries. Even the French, famous for their omelettes, do not consider them a breakfast dish.

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          lgphil RE: BobB May 9, 2008 02:14 PM

          It is far from occasional in Europe.
          Northern European (Norway/Sweeden/Denmark/Germany/Iceland are all I can actually attest to from personal experience) serve eggs at almost every breakfast. I spent my summers visiting relatives there, and I can't remember a breakfast without eggs. Usually soft boiled or poached.

          I have been told by a friend who grew up in Spain that it is very common there, but can't speak for myself. sout Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe all serve eggs (although you have the british colony thing going on there as well.

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            cimui RE: BobB May 9, 2008 04:14 PM

            I didn't grow up in Asia, but in my Asian American household, tea eggs are perfectly normal as breakfast food.

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              nofunlatte RE: BobB May 9, 2008 05:47 PM

              Well, I've lived in Germany (southern part--Black Forest) and eggs most certainly were a standard breakfast item.

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                Sushiqueen36 RE: BobB May 19, 2008 05:50 PM

                Japanese are known to occasionally top their rice with raw egg for breakfast (hot rice "cooks" the egg a bit) and may also have a slice of tamago-yaki (a sort of rolled-up scrambled egg with soy and sugar flavoring).

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                  Sam Fujisaka RE: Sushiqueen36 May 20, 2008 07:23 PM

                  We beat up an egg and some shoyu, pour it over HOT gohan and mix. But not generally for breakfast because we don't cook fresh gohan for breakfast.

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                    Sushiqueen36 RE: Sam Fujisaka May 20, 2008 07:29 PM

                    I figured you would weigh in and set me straight! :-)

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                      Sam Fujisaka RE: Sushiqueen36 May 20, 2008 07:40 PM

                      Because I went to UO for grad school and am going to retire to the Wallowas?

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                        Sushiqueen36 RE: Sam Fujisaka May 20, 2008 09:04 PM

                        Well, the fact that you're a Duck just explains your brilliance but I have noticed that you know a fair amount about rice in general based on other posts on threads that I happen to read. Not that I'm stalking you or anything. Plus with a name like Sam, you've just got to know a thing or two about gohan and shoyu.

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                          Sam Fujisaka RE: Sushiqueen36 May 20, 2008 09:08 PM

                          queen, you sure do know how to make someone laugh!

            2. Eat_Nopal RE: Harters May 9, 2008 04:57 PM

              Alright.... I had a doubt so I quickly reviewed my culinary references... Eggs of course are synonmous with Almuerzo (mid morning meal) in Mexico... is this recent or more ancient? I confirmed Huevos Ahogados (Turkey or Duck eggs poached in sauces or broths) were common in 16th Century Mesoamerica.

              Were they eaten in the morning, afternoon etc? Because of Mexico's warm climate... the eggs were frequently collected early in the morning to prevent the development of Embryos. In the native Mexican diets... the most important breakfast proteins came from water (fish, shrimp, crawfish etc.,)... on bad fishing days... eggs were prepared as a consolation prize.

              Coincidentally... eggs become more common in Spanish cookbooks in the late 16th Century / Early 17th Century (presumably spreading to the Brittish Isles some time afterward?)

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                RicRios RE: Eat_Nopal May 9, 2008 05:23 PM

                Are you saying eggs for breakfast is NOT an invento gringo???

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                  Eat_Nopal RE: RicRios May 9, 2008 05:28 PM

                  I am not saying anything without knowing more about the culinary history of the UK or Northern Europe... what I do know is that some form of eggs for breakfast existed in Pre-Hispanic Mesoamerica.... obviously before the Victorian times.

                  The Chinese invented about half of what is known as Western Civilization... so I would be shocked if there aren't hundreds of breakfast egg dishes (particularly considering the Chicken originated there).... that were part of their ancient traditions. Even if you can believe that the Han ethnicity never invented that.... one of the 50+ minority groups must have no?

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                xanadude RE: RicRios May 9, 2008 08:00 PM

                Eggs are quick to cook and store well (unopened) unrefrigerated...makes sense for a breakfast food (unlike, say, braised veal or roast chicken)

                1. sarah galvin RE: RicRios May 9, 2008 08:06 PM

                  Yes, but other cultures use eggs in the weirdest ways - in a Thai curry! on pasta! etc!

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                    uptown jimmy RE: RicRios May 9, 2008 09:53 PM

                    Don't birds lay eggs at night? Making the eating of eggs in the morning the most practical time for eating them? Pretty sure about that. It ain't rocket science.

                    The Leghorns we had back on the farm always laid at night, I thought.

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                      BarmyFotheringayPhipps RE: uptown jimmy May 9, 2008 10:26 PM

                      Eat Nopal touched on this too, and yeah, it makes perfect sense: you go out in the morning and gather the eggs from the henhouse, then you go inside and cook them.

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                        feelinpeckish RE: uptown jimmy May 11, 2008 02:00 PM

                        I don't think time of day is specific for egg laying. At a poultry barn exhibit at last year's Duchess County fair one of the exhibitors was walking about the cages and retrieving eggs having been freshly laid only a moment before.

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                          sarah galvin RE: feelinpeckish May 19, 2008 04:28 PM

                          Maybe it is a farm habit - collect eggs in the morning. We always collected eggs in the morning, too, every morning. If you don't take it away, she won't lay another one.

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                            uptown jimmy RE: sarah galvin May 20, 2008 06:47 PM

                            Yeah. It's just a classic British and American thing. And you gotta take them every morning or the hens will sit on them, thinking the eggs will hatch, and won't lay any m ore, right? You go to the hen house every morning and collect the eggs, and then promptly eat them for breakfast. Any eggs left over were made into some sorta pie or somesuch, custard pies of whatever flavor being common amongst folks lucky enough to have plenty of eggs.

                            Eggs are lovely. The perfect food, so incredibly versatile and endessly enjoyable. And so easy to grow...just keep the chickens from gettin et up by foxes and coons and such, throw em a bit of cornmeal every day...

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                          fromagina RE: uptown jimmy May 20, 2008 07:19 PM

                          As a looong time hen-keeper I've learned that most hens lay their eggs from mid-morning until early afternoon. When I sold impeccably fresh eggs I gathered them around 3:00 PM and immediately refrigerated them. There never were any eggs in the nests in the morning. Once in a while a very young inexperienced hen would plop out an egg when she was roosting at night. These I considered inedible as they sat in fowl poop all night. The dogs loved them. Gathering eggs first thing in the morning means they were laid the day before. Leaving them in the nest all night exposes them to potential theft by rodents.

                          My Russian grandfather escaped Russia through China and it was in peasant China that he learned to eat what he called "congee" in the morning, a rice gruel made from leftover rice with, if you were lucky, an egg stirred into it. Congee with an egg (and bits of leftovers from the night before) is still one of my favorite ways to start the day.

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                            uptown jimmy RE: fromagina May 21, 2008 11:25 AM

                            Cool.

                            I gotta get me some laying hens...

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                              fromagina RE: uptown jimmy May 22, 2008 10:13 AM

                              Hey.. ain't nuthin' like FRESH eggs! Most un-gated communities tolerate a few quiet hens (no roosters). A yard and a secure pen is required.. if you live in an apartment, maybe you can raise a few egg-quail?

                        3. hill food RE: RicRios May 9, 2008 10:31 PM

                          at first I sort of thought "gringo?!?" but maybe there is something there. IMExp: Spain, huevos revueltos, Germany and UK, soft-boiled. France and Italy in all sorts of things at all times of day (well Spain too, for that matter).

                          are you referring to traditional Mexican/Central/South American food? (and that's a really big swath of territory and geographic influences to generalize about).

                          as for the US, I think it was a fetish-y thing in the early 20th c. as newly urbanized city dwellers couldn't usu. raise chickens, yet had grown up with them. and despite today's food costs, they were VERY expensive then (and highly rationed in WWII - that much more desirable)

                          1. BobB RE: RicRios May 10, 2008 08:38 AM

                            Wow, a lot of egg defenders out here! I have nothing against them, I was just reporting on my own fairly extensive experiences in Europe. I lived in Germany for a while, where we had them occasionally (and always in the shell, never fried - and don't get me started on how my roommates almost evicted me for stinking up the house by frying bacon one morning!), and later got involved in a business that made me a trans-Atlantic frequent flyer for the past 15 years. Maybe it's just the places I stayed or the people I stayed with, but the typical breakfast I've encountered is the local bread (brotchen, croissant, whatever) with butter, cheese, jam, and coffee - they don't call it "continental breakfast" for nothing!

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                              piccola RE: BobB May 10, 2008 10:10 AM

                              I've had similar experiences in Europe - breakfast is usually coffee and some kind of bread (or, in Italy, some kind of storebought cookie). Eggs usually showed up later in the day. Of course, the late weekend (read: hangover) breakfast/brunch, when it happens, throws out all the rules...

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                                chefschickie RE: piccola May 20, 2008 07:30 PM

                                Back home (in Holland) we used to only eat eggs (soft boiled) for breakfast on Sundays. Other days it would just be bread or cereal.
                                It's very common to eat eggs for lunch as 'Uitsmijter' which is 2 or 3 eggs sunny side up with ham on 3 slices of bread. or a Farmers Omelet, with potatoes and lots of veggies.
                                Or we would eat it as an accompaniment with dinner in place of Meat, my childhood fave: Mashed potatoes, Creamed Spinach with a plain omelet.... yum....

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                              aelph RE: RicRios May 10, 2008 11:13 AM

                              Quick frustuck(darn umlauts) story:

                              ...my first trip to Germany many years ago(I'd taken several years of German in middle school and high school...not that it made me fluent---reading and writing, yes...conversing, no...and, in any case this trip was a decade past that era of my schooling). We were based out of Mainz and the poor s/o's toes hurt him something awful what with all the walking around we'd gotten up to...I elected to grab breakfast downstairs of the hotel and bring him back something to nibble on. I chose a "hardboiled" in shell egg. No wonder the waitress gave me such an odd look when I ordered a second and placed it in my coat pocket. I made it back upstairs only to find the...duh...softboiled egg!...had cracked in my pocket and all I had to offer the s/o was
                              an anecdote, albumen and egg shell.

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                                BobB RE: aelph May 10, 2008 03:45 PM

                                Ümlaut tip: you can enter most accented characters (and standard English ones too) using only the ALT key and the number pad on your keyboard. Make sure NUM LOCK is on, then hold down the ALT key and enter the ASCII code for the character you want (google ASCII character sets for a list). For example: The ü you're looking for is ALT+0252, é is ALT+0233, ç is ATL+0231, etc. Make sure you use the number on the number pad on the side, not the numbers above the letters.

                                Works in almost all programs running in Windows, but I'm not sure about Macs.

                                Moderators - I know this looks off-topic but it could help people enter foreign food names more accurately, so in that sense it could be considered food-related. ;-)

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                                  aelph RE: BobB May 10, 2008 05:13 PM

                                  Thank you for the tips! I'm an Apple user, but will experiment.

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                                    Lizard RE: aelph May 11, 2008 01:03 AM

                                    If you're on a mac, you should be able to hit the alt key +u for umlauts, then the letter of your choice to receive said umlauts.

                                    Also, your could simply add an 'e' to follow the letter requiring an umlaut as that is what it means, nicht wahr?

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                                      aelph RE: Lizard May 11, 2008 02:25 PM

                                      thanks for the tips...have to disagree that an umlaut phonetically or denotatively reduces to adding an 'e' to another vowel...

                                      ...with some cursory online research it appears that printing a Germanic umlaut as Oe, Ue(etc.) is a convention of keyboards...

                                      the Germanic vowel w/ umlaut does not, in my experience, reflect the sound denoted by adding 'e'

                                      I wanted to add, getting back to the topic at hand, that the cliche' American farm family breakfasts also see an apotheosis in many of the similar in my area of the Midwest; the families I'm closest to -eschew eggs- in the morning, tucking into tables laden with sausage gravy/biscuits, ham/bacon, pancakes and cinnamon rolls, instead.

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                                        Lizard RE: aelph May 12, 2008 01:42 AM

                                        Ah, yes, I see how I could imply that. Possibly because I only learned German in a period dominated by the computer keyboard :)

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                                          suse RE: aelph May 20, 2008 06:38 PM

                                          Can't go into a long linguistic history of the umlaut here, but for the sake of spelling foods without doing the umlaut (ö=oe/ä=ae/ü=ue) you should know that this isn't restricted to typing. German crosswords work this way.
                                          Spätzle=Spaetzle ....mmm...makes me hungrig....

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                                            aelph RE: suse May 22, 2008 05:35 PM

                                            very interesting, thank you :)

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                                  mpalmer6c RE: RicRios May 11, 2008 12:17 AM

                                  Jungle fowl and their eggs go back to pre-history. What's weird depends on the culture. Liver and pickled cabbage seems weird to me.

                                  1. mrbozo RE: RicRios May 11, 2008 01:43 AM

                                    Sun's about to rise. Time to fix some tagliatelle alla' carbonara.

                                    1. chefschickie RE: RicRios May 20, 2008 08:00 PM

                                      I know it's not really an answer,but I thought it was very interesting to read about all the different breakfasts all over the world!! My family is so typical Dutch, haha!

                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakfast

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                                        jumpingmonk RE: chefschickie May 21, 2008 04:00 AM

                                        I'm not sure if anyone still does it, but I understan from my reading that eggs beaten into beer was the standard breakfast in much of Northern Europe during the Middle Ages/Rennasaince

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                                          chefschickie RE: jumpingmonk May 21, 2008 08:16 AM

                                          haha, breakfast of champions!

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                                            Kholvaitar RE: jumpingmonk Feb 5, 2013 02:59 PM

                                            Beaten egg stirred into wine is also acceptable for breakfast IMO.

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