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Mintycake Apr 29, 2008 08:20 PM

Hello

Well I've been working on my schedule for New York (in town from Toronto for a wedding). Need some CHOW help on both where to eat and if the timing works. Here's what I have so far.

Day 1

4:00 pm: Arrive at hotel (Tribeca)

4:30 pm: Slice of pie at Bubby’s Pie Company

5:00 pm: Tour to Ground Zero, Wall Street, South Street Seaport

7:15pm: Rehearsal dinner at Sel et Poivre

Day 2

8:00am Empire State Building

10:00am walk or subway to Grand Central Terminal (Grand Central Station) Grab a bite!

11:30am Circle line sightseeing Cruise (Pier 83 on 42nd Street) – 2 hr semi circle tour

1:45pm – Lunch Clinton Street Bakery OR Katz’ Deli or anywhere else neat on LES? Suggestions?

3:00 pm LES noshing tour - Tenement Museum (if time), then back to b&b to change for wedding.

6:30pm Wedding (Central Park Boathouse)

Day 3

10:00 am Guggenheim Museum

12:30 pm Lunch at Café Sabarsky or ??? perhaps something a little more friendly on the wallet?

2:00 Metropolitan Museum of Art & Cloisters

GAP? not sure how long the Met & Cloisters will take. We'd likely go back to the hotel to change first.

7:30pm Dinner at BABBO or Degustation or Eleven Madison Park

Day 4

10:30 am MOMA

2:00pm – light lunch or brunch at La Bonne Soupe

5:00pm Early dinner at Marsailles or should we grab an early dinner at the Shake Shack?

6:00pm – Walk through Times Square and admire the lights

7:00 pm Theatre – Avenue Q: Golden Theater

Day 5

10:00am – Museum of Natural History

4:00pm – Cross the Brooklyn Bridge. Grab a slice of Grimaldi’s Pizza and Brooklyn Ice Cream Factory for dessert!

6:00pm Quick stop in LES to grab some goodies for the road.

6:30pm Depart B&B in Tribeca to go to airport (Flight leaves from Newark at 9pm)

Any help is appreciated! Many thanks!

  1. masha bousha May 1, 2008 05:16 AM

    I agree with the poster who said you should still cross the Brooklyn Bridge. I did it last summer on an extremely hot day and it was very cool. I do love walking in Central Park but the bridge walk (and the walk from the subway to the bridge was really cool. We went to Brooklyn and crossed over to lower Manhattan.
    Enjoy your trip and post your adventures when you return.

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      Mintycake May 1, 2008 08:47 AM

      ok I've modified the schedule. Have reservations on Day 5 at Peter Luger at 4:45pm for a dinner before we leave, got reservations at Marsailles pre theatre on day 4, have cut out the cloisters and will take an 11am cruise (75 minutes) to get to LES earlier on Day 2.

      Having problems getting through to Babbo...have been trying on and off for 45 mins...still getting a busy signal!!! :(

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        RGR May 1, 2008 08:56 AM

        Sounds like a plan, Mintycake! Good luck with Babbo. But if you strike out, Eleven Madison Park, our favorite NYC restaurant, would be an excellent sustitute. Totally different, of course, but still sensational

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          Mintycake May 1, 2008 08:59 AM

          I got into Babbo for 9pm! Only took me 45 minutes of dialing and then 10 minutes on hold (sheesh!) However, we'll DEFINITLY need something to eat before then...maybe a nice light "pre" dinner? since it's so late I might have to rejig the schedule a little.

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            kathryn May 1, 2008 11:17 AM

            I'd have a late lunch and some fruit for a snack than a light dinner. Then I'd drink lots of water to save room for Babbo.

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              Mintycake May 1, 2008 01:42 PM

              Maybe I can do the Shake Shack! I checked the web cam today and it didn't look busy around 4pm...maybe 5 - 7 people in line?

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                kathryn May 1, 2008 03:46 PM

                That's the sweet spot: when late lunch ends and before early dinner begins, but that's also assuming it's not raining.

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      tpigeon Apr 30, 2008 08:08 PM

      On your day 5, I would do peter luger instead of grimaldi and brooklyn ice cream. I believe you can still get a hamburger @ luger at 4 pm. You should call and check. They are cheap and are probably the best burger you will have eaten, ever. They also serve steak btw :). Their ice cream sunday is at least as as good as brooklyn ice cream factory (can you say overrated?).

      If you are into gelatto, you should hit Il Lab while doing the LES tour and/or go to Otto and get olive oil gelatto. Both of these are far superior to anything you can eat at brooklyn ice cream factory.

      You should try Sushi Yasuda. They have an amazing vanilla ice cream for dessert btw. Their sushi happens to be pretty good too :).

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        kobetobiko Apr 30, 2008 06:44 PM

        For your Day 3 dinner, have you gotten a reservation at Babbo yet? It takes 30 days in advance and some diligent dialing to get through the reservation line of Babbo.

        As for Degustation, while I like it a lot, it is not quite the same level as Babbo and EMP (IMO). You will probably be able to get a reservation at EMP using Opentable.com.

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          Davedigger May 1, 2008 12:21 PM

          Eek! I was hoping to get in to Babbo next week! Better start dialing...

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            rrems May 1, 2008 01:03 PM

            Next week? Forget it. You have to call one month in advance (on the same numerical day) starting at 10 am. The reservations are gone within hours.

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              Miss Needle May 1, 2008 06:31 PM

              Or you can get there a bit early and try to snag a few seats they reserve for walk-ins.

        2. floretbroccoli Apr 30, 2008 04:35 PM

          I wonder if you can somehow combine your visit to MoMA with a stop at the Bar Room at The Modern?

          1. ChefJune Apr 30, 2008 06:34 AM

            <6:00pm – Walk through Times Square and admire the lights> "Admire?" what lights?

            After the Museum of Modern History, you might enjoy seeing if 81 (across the street) is open for a late lunch. Chef Ed Brown makes outstanding food.

            Yes, the Cloisters is nowhere near the Met. After 14 years in New York, I've still never seen them. The Cloisters is waaaaaaay off the beaten path. Unless there's a special show you want to see at the Guggenheim, I would recommend doing just the Met, which can easily take you all day.

            Did you choose Marseilles because of its proximity to the theater, or because you've heard it's great, or you already love it? not a place I would seek out....

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              Mintycake Apr 30, 2008 06:38 AM

              I picked Marsailles because of proximity to theatre. I actually don't want to eat French food since we'll be dining at Sel et Poivre earlier. Any other suggestions in the area? Doesn't need to be fancy.

              Thanks for pre-answering my question too: if I could drop one attraction, what would it be? I was thinking Guggenheim but not sure.

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                rrems Apr 30, 2008 07:01 AM

                Marseille is an excellent choice in the theater district. The French(Provencale)/Moroccan menu is completely different from Sel et Poivre, and the food is infinitely better, so you will not be duplicating. I would probably drop the Guggenheim if time is tight.

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                  RGR Apr 30, 2008 08:59 AM

                  Although I agree that Marseille is quite different from Sel et Poivre both in cuisine and quality, i.e., the quality at Marseille being far superior, if you would prefer something different, I would suggest West Bank Cafe, on 42nd St., b/t 9th & 10th. Delicious New American cuisine; friendly, capable service; attractive decor, well-spaced tables, and a conversation-friendly noise level.

                  http://www.westbankcafe.com

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                    Mintycake Apr 30, 2008 09:37 AM

                    That looks like an excellent option, RGR, and more up our alley foodwise. Thanks!

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                  Stuffed Monkey Apr 30, 2008 07:29 AM

                  81 is across the street from the Museum of Natural History across the street from the other side of the park from the Museum of Art.

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                    Stuffed Monkey Apr 30, 2008 07:32 AM

                    81 is not across the street from the Museum of Art. It is on the other side of the park, across the street from the Plantetarium and the Museum of Natural History.

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                      rrems Apr 30, 2008 08:59 AM

                      81 does not serve lunch.

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                      uwsgrazer Apr 29, 2008 09:31 PM

                      I agree with the others that it's a very full schedule. Admittedly packed with some terrific stuff, but very tight. You probably want to leave more time not only to get around but also to wait in lines (unfortunately) and also to maybe allow for some spontanaeity in case something interesting comes along. That can be half the fun of living in NY! Also, please bear in mind that not all museums are open every day. MoMA is closed on Tuesdays. The Met typically isn't open on Mondays.

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                        Mintycake Apr 30, 2008 06:18 AM

                        Thanks for all the feedback. We've got all this stuff because we bought a CityPass and wanted to hit all the attractions. We know we'll only be able to see "highlights" of most mueseums.

                        So here's the modifications, does this make sense?

                        Day 2: head straight to the LES for lunch at Katz' (whatever time we get there) and skip the Tenement museum, would that work? How long would the LES tour take (the one from RGR). This will be a weekday btw so not sure if lineup at Clintons will be bad if we choose to go there?

                        Day 3 Skip Cloisters. Any recommendations for lunch other than Cafe Sabarsky? Just that I'm German and I eat that kind of food all the time at home. Something quick and casual would be good!

                        Day 4 - how about a slice of pizza for lunch instead so we're hungry for Marsailles? Any recommendations?

                        Day 5 - skip Brooklyn bridge.

                        Day 4

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                          MMRuth Apr 30, 2008 07:20 AM

                          The cafeteria at the Met is really quite good, though in the basement, and there's also a nice cafe the name of which I do not recall. If Day 3 is a Monday, the museum will be closed though, as others said.

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                            Mintycake Apr 30, 2008 09:30 AM

                            Day 5 is the Monday. So we're good for the Met! I will consider the Petri Court Cafe.

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                              RGR Apr 30, 2008 01:22 PM

                              Mintycake,

                              Based in the fact that Day 5 is a Monday, if you do my LES Food Excursion on Day 2, that = Friday, so keep in mind that a few of the places observe the Sabbath and are not only closed on Saturday but also close early on Friday afternoon.

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                                Mintycake Apr 30, 2008 01:59 PM

                                So should I do the LES on Monday you think?
                                Also thinking of switching the Circle cruise to either the 11am 75 minute cruise or doing a 7pm Harbour lights cruise....not sure where to fit it all in!

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                                  steeltowngrl Apr 30, 2008 05:05 PM

                                  Check out NY Water Taxi where you get hop on/off at the different stops and not be committed to 2 hours, thus leaving more chow time.

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                                    DarthEater Apr 30, 2008 09:31 PM

                                    I would skip the boat tour. Waste of time. Your better off being IN the city and not viewing the city from afar.

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                                      RGR Apr 30, 2008 10:08 PM

                                      On Monday, the Donut Plant is closed and it would be a shame to miss it.

                                      You can still do the tour on Friday, but start at around noon. That will give you plenty of time to finish before any spots close for Sabbath observance. Also, the tour is quite filling and since the wedding is that evening, starting early will give you time to regain your appetite before tackling the wedding dinner.

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                                RGR Apr 30, 2008 08:54 AM

                                Hey, Mintycake,

                                Glad to hear you're considering doing my tour. :-) The length of time it takes to complete it (sans the Tenement Museum) depends on how long it takes to get served at Katz's, and how fast you walk. But you can probably finish in under two hours.

                                The cafe in the Met Museum that MMRuth mentioned is the Petri Court Cafe., a good choice if you want to go somewhere instead of Sabarsky. The food's nicely-prepared and very tasty, service is efficient, and the large, airy space has a view of Central Park.

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                                  Simon May 1, 2008 12:16 AM

                                  DO NOT SKIP THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE...it's the most crucial thing on your list, the most glorious walk in the whole city, w/ tasty food options available on either side...

                                  i'd also add that a bagel&lox from Russ&Daughters (part of the LES tour) is one of my favs...

                                  a few others to add or substitute:

                                  Il Giglio is a great upscale old-school Italian in Tribeca, so close to your hotel and maybe an option one night...classic caesar salad, gratis antipasti, nice wines, shrimp fra diavolo, grappa...

                                  Balthazar is also fun and best for late-late-night or mid-afternoon meals, and is also near your hotel...

                                  Grand Central Oyster Bar...sit at the counter/bar only, order only raw oysters, fried oysters, coleslaw, cup of soup, strong ale or wine by the glass...classic NYC experience and have someone show you have to talk into the opposite walls of the archway just outside

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                                    tpigeon May 1, 2008 04:10 AM

                                    Umm...how is the view from the brooklyn bridge any different than the williamsburg bridge? Central Park is the best walk in the city btw..

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                                      Simon May 1, 2008 09:51 AM

                                      my reply and yours are both off topic and risk being justiably deleted for being non-chow-related, but i'll bite:

                                      -- the W-burg bridge has ugly fencing which obstructs the views...the Brooklyn Bridge has soaring gorgeous columns and better sightlines of the Statue of Liberty, downtown Manhattan, etc...it's a more elegant structure w/ vastly better views...it's walkways are wide and avenue-like: the W-burg's cramped corridors are like the gangways of a cement factory...don't get me wrong: i've walked the W-burg at least 50 times and enjoyed it every time in a gritty urban trudge kinda way: but it's ugly as hell, and comparable-to-far-better bridges can be found in about 100 cities in the world...the Brooklyn Bridge has a singular appeal...

                                      Central Park is undeniably gorgeous and a crucial part of any visitor's experience...but deep within the park, when you are not peeking up at glimpses of the Sherry-Netherland or spying some of the delightful sculptures and stone overpasses, one could at least briefly imagine oneself in a park in Munich or Beijing...on the Brooklyn Bridge walk you are on a giant's tightrope of New York and nowhere else...

                                      reply's saving chowish grace: the Brooklyn Bridge offers possibly more accessible Chow-ish pleasures immediately at either end: Grimaldi's, Jacques Torres, etc on the Brooklyn side, and a quick stroll to all of Chinatown and Tribeca on the Manhattan side...one could argue that a bagel from Russ&Daughters would carry one from Houston St to the W-burg, but personally i'd be done my bagel by the time i reached Rivington and then would have a grey hike over the East River, with no Grimaldi's awaiting me at the other end...

                                      the defense rests...

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                                        tpigeon May 1, 2008 12:10 PM

                                        I accept your argument about the Brooklyn bridge being nicer, but from a food perspective, I will take Peter Luger over Grimaldi every time on the brooklyn end. You can get great chocolates in manhattan so I am not worried about JT. As far as the manhattan end goes, you are forgetting Katz's, doughnut plant, Il Lab (far far superior to brooklyn ice cream factory), gus's pickles, essex street market, kossars and a few others :).

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                                JMJD Apr 29, 2008 09:29 PM

                                Also, unless I'm mistaken, the Met and the Cloisters are not in the same location. The Met is on the east side around 84th and 5th, while the Cloisters is up near the Bronx. I don't think you could make it to both and back to your hotel before your dinner.

                                Real NY pizza is a big one for my relatives from Toronto....and you can't go wrong with Katz's I think.

                                1. Ora Apr 29, 2008 09:06 PM

                                  Your schedule is too agressive. A number of the places you want to eat at will have lines during peak (and in some cases off peak hours). For example, I had a late lunch at Shake Shack on Sat around 5pm. It was a cold cloudy day and we waited about 50 minutes before actually had any food in hand. I eat at La Bonne Soup ALL the time, there can be a wait during peak hours. Seeing the Met Mus of Art and Cloisters in a single day sounds exhausting if you plan to actually SEE anything in both places--which are fantastic LARGE museums. I think you should re-consider this schedule in its entirety, it just doesn't allow enough time to get around.

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                                    kathryn Apr 29, 2008 08:36 PM

                                    "10:00am walk or subway to Grand Central Terminal (Grand Central Station) Grab a bite!"

                                    Unfortunately, I've never had anything special at GCT...the food court and shops there are very ordinary. And you probably don't want to visit the Oyster Bar at 10am, if it's even open. Maybe other hounds can suggest a quick bite on the way to GCT.

                                    "1:45pm – Lunch Clinton Street Bakery OR Katz’ Deli or anywhere else neat on LES? Suggestions?"

                                    Wait, you have a 2 hour boat tour at 11:30am (ending at 1:30pm) and you want to get down to the LES by 1:45pm? I think you will not end up getting to Clinton St until after 2pm if you are coming straight from 42nd Street. I've never been on that particular tour but in my experience getting on and off a boat always takes extra time...and who knows if the tour will be on time! And if you arrive at Clinton Street Baking Co. that late on a weekend, you will surely face a long line. Probably won't get seated until about 3pm, assuming they're still taking people on the list. AND if you do Clinton St. for lunch you'll be so stuffed you won't be able to eat for another several hours! Their portion sizes are pretty big. I'm always comatose afterwards.

                                    Additionally, the Tenement Museum tours only happen at set times during the day. The tour sizes are small and last a good length of time, and often sell out in advance. If you're planning on Clinton St. Baking Co. you might not make your LES Tenement Museum tour in time...I think you might be trying to do too much on this day given that you need to be a wedding at 6:30pm in Central Park!

                                    "5:00pm Early dinner at Marsailles or should we grab an early dinner at the Shake Shack?"

                                    Again, the lines at Shake Shack make this unpredictable. What if it's raining? Marseilles is also a popular pre-theatre restaurant, so reservations would be recommended.

                                    "4:00pm – Cross the Brooklyn Bridge. Grab a slice of Grimaldi’s Pizza and Brooklyn Ice Cream Factory for dessert!"

                                    Grimaldi's doesn't serve slices. Only whole pies. I haven't been in a while, so I can't tell you what the lines will be like at 4pm (on a weekday?) -- you can post on the Outer Boroughs board for that.

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