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A good wine that I would want to drink 10 years from now for something special?

I want a wine that, ten years from now, I can say I bought when I was 21 and open it on some very special occasion and enjoy its splendor. Something I can treasure while I'm passing the best years of my life. The perfect wine if you will.

I really don't know how my palate will develop over the years, but though 50 dollars is a tentative limit, I'd really just prefer a wine that provides the most bang for the buck, and if I have to spend 75 dollars on a bottle of wine that is world's different than a 30 dollar or even a 50 dollar wine, I'll do it

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  1. You just absolutely cannot go wrong with Sauternes.... will age well beyond your 10 year target and fit well within your budget today...

    See what your wine vendor(s) can offer you in non-trophy Sauternes from the 2003 or (dreaming) the 2001 vintage... Example: 2001 Chat. Guiraud at around $70 bucks today will be ambrosia in ten years.... that's the kind wine to go for, cellar it well and toast chowhound when you open it:)

    1. I would probably opt for a Chateauneuf-du-Pape -- red. 2005 is one of the best years ever for this varietal, and there are quite a few goodies out there for less than $50.

      Good Sauternes costs significantly more than that.

      There are also some wonderful Bordeaux available in that price range. If you want one of those, ask your wine merchant to help you select one. It won't be one of the "famous" ones, but many of the lesser known Bordeaux are just as good!

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      1. re: ChefJune

        Agree with you, ChefJ. The '05 bordeaux are just released or will be soon with many 10-year candidates in the $40-60 range (eg., Clos du Marquis St.Julien), or for that matter there are good candidates in the '04s again with your advice to get steered to a 10 yr. wine (eg., Sociando Mallet Haut Medoc).

      2. Look to France, Spain or Italy for bottles that will age well. Stay away from new world wines, most of which are meant to be drunk on release. If you can get your hands on a 2005 red burgundy, bordeaux or rhone wine, buy that. Your best bet is to walk into a reputable wine store and ask a smart local wine merchant that same question from what they have in stock.

        I disagree with Chicago Mike in this case, and if anything, I think it just shows that personal taste (which you haven't expressed here) makes a big difference. While I certainly wouldn't turn down a 10 year old Sauternes, I wouldn't choose it as the wine I'd cellar for 10 years -- it's just not my favorite. I'd much rather have a red burgundy or a white loire.

        Just FYI: I don't want to discourage you, but know that wine is a fickle game. There's no guarantee that any bottle you buy now will be perfect, or even good in 10 years. You'll have to store under good conditions, and even then, the bottle could turn out to be corked, or have some other inherent flaw. Keep that in mind. Whatever you do, don't buy it and then store it poorly -- it won't make it!

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        1. re: oolah

          a 2001 Sauternes would be 17 years old in 10 years.

          Moreover, I agree 100% with the problem you suggest that the this posters cellaring conditions might not be optimal. IMO Sauternes (or port for that matter) has greater immunity to mediocre cellaring.

          1. re: Chicago Mike

            Sorry about my bad math. I hope you didn't take offense at my comment -- I meant no disrespect. Just wanted to point out to the OP that it's very difficult to recommend a wine s/he'll like 10 years down the road without any indication of what s/he likes now.

            Interesting point about cellaring Sauternes and port. I wasn't aware of that. I'm guessing it's the higher alcohol levels that help it keep better?

            1. re: oolah

              i would say definitely yes.

              And, in general, these wines are "made to cellar", the winemaker has in mind that some peeps will be keeping these for decades.

        2. I strongly disagree with oolah. If you are thinking only ten years out I would recommend new world wines. Yes a lot of them are designed for early consumption but if you look to the reputable areas like Napa or Barossa for instance, you will find many wines that will age for 10 years or more. CDPs, the good ones, are structured to cellar for upwards of 25-40 years. Good luck to you.

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          1. re: Lenox637

            Lenox, I'm with you if you're talking higher-priced wines ($75 and up), but at $50 I think you'll find a lot of old world 10-year options.

            That said, I'm totally biased and I just prefer old world wines to new world ones, so you can take all my recs with that piece of info in mind :)

            I have a measly 40-bottle cellar, and the wines I'm hoping to hold for the next 10 years that cost around $50 are:

            2005 Domaine de L'Arlot Nuits St. Georges Cuvée Les Petits Plets
            2005 Domaine du Closel Savennières Clos du Papillon

            I don't know that you can get your hands on these anymore, but if you can, they should fit your requirements.

            1. re: Lenox637

              >> I would recommend new world wines.

              I would too. I have had bias toward the new world wines but with the USD being so low and exchange rate so unfavorable buying the new world wines sounds like a better idea even more. I just had absolutely delicious Turnbull's 2005 Cabernet Sauvignon for $40 - this will age very well for the next 10 years and it won't break your bank account. Delicious California Cab at its best.

            2. If you want a reasonably priced domestic, I would try something from Ridge (just not the Montebello which would set you back). These wines age increadibly well. I also would reccomend cabernet from Clos du Val, espically their Stags Leap District. Having had the opportunity to taste several old vintages, I have to say they hit their sweet spot at about 12-15 years. I'm sure some people would love the really old stuff (30 yrs. plus), but I'm just not too into that leathery thing. One problem you have though is you may want to get at least a couple of bottles. It's definately not so fun saving a bottle for 10 years only to find out it's spoiled.

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              1. re: Rizza

                "It's definately not so fun saving a bottle for 10 years only to find out it's spoiled."

                Yes, I'll definitely keep my options open. I definitely wouldn't want to wait 10 years to drink mediocre or even bad wine

                1. re: takadi

                  If you don't have temperature controlled storage, all wines will show degradation rather than the secondary characteristics from proper aging.

                  It doesn't sound like you have proper storage from the context of your posts. My advice is forget about buying something now and buy something from a reputable retailer later.

              2. Go to http://www.wine-searcher.com
                Select your state.
                Search for, say, Sauternes 1998.
                Or Chateauneuf du Pape 1998
                You'll find plenty of hits, within your price points, ready to buy now, without the hassle of storing for 10 years.
                And with the added advantage that, assuming the bottle is flawed, you still have the chance the merchant might take it back.
                Repeat in 2018, but enter 2008 ( or thereabouts ).

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                1. re: RicRios

                  Wouldn't there will changes in prices though over the years? I'm assuming they charge more for older wines

                  1. re: takadi

                    Yes. Older properly stored wine will cost more money. Would you rather pay more for something that isn't spoiled? I would.

                    You really need to think of wine as sort of a food product. You can't store a lot of food at room temperature and not expect unwelcome consequences.

                  2. re: RicRios

                    I'd probably go old world over new, but I agree with other posters that this is as much a matter of personal taste as anything else. I don't know about Sauternes--not because it's not freakin' delicious, but because good Sauternes, in my experience, tends to be more expensive than the OPs pricepoint.

                    Actually, to contradict my entire thought up above-- how about Catena Alta Malbec? Made to lay down, and Argentina's actually got a favorable exchange rate with us right now! What a novel concept, eh?

                    1. re: Pigloader

                      Cabernet Franc from Keenan or Owen Roe. Spectacular and mellow nicely with age.

                  3. I agree with ChefJune, if you are going to buy something now to save for 10 years, assuming you can keep it somewhere dark and cool for the entire time, try a 2005 Chateauneuf-du-Pape. Some excellent ones that are obtainable for under $60 include the Domaine du Vieux Telegraphe La Crau (one of the very best) or the Telegramme (not quite the La Crau, but still excellent), Perrin & Fils Les Sinards, Clos de l'Oratoire des Papes, Chateau La Nerthe, or F. & D. Brunier La Roquete.

                    There are also excellent Italian wines that will age for at least 10 years. For example a 2003 Pio Cesare Barolo would be an excellent choice or one of my favorites the 2003 Barone Ricasoli Toscana Casalferro (I'm drinking the 99s now and just finished the last of my 97s) or the 2003 Travaglini Gattinara.

                    Of course, the other obvious choice is to buy something French, probably a Bordeaux as good Burgundy would be outside your price range (as might a 2005 Bordeaux) The 2005s are excellent, but you can still get good prices on the 2003s. (You might even find some good deals on the 2000's (or the 1998 Pomerols and St.-Emilions) I especially like the Chateau Haut-Bages-Liberal for your price range.

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                    1. re: dinwiddie

                      In early March in Italy at L'Enoteca Regionale di Gattinara, I purchased Travaglini Gattinara, but they offered me the 2001. Where did you get 2003, as Italian releases are usually one year ahead of the U.S.?

                    2. Part of my wine refrigerator is dedicated to bottles with Years on them that I want to drink later. My son was born in 1993 (an unfortunate year for wine in a lot of places, but hey whatever), I have a bottle from 1993. I bought bottles based on wedding dates, to mark anniversaries, major birthdays, etc.

                      All of them are bottles from Mayacamas in California. They still make wine in an old fashioned way, and almost anything from them will be just fine 10 years from now. I wouldn't think of touching any of their Cabernets or Pinot Noirs in less than a decade, actually. Of course, Mayacamas has limited amounts of wine and few distributors outside of California carry them at all, but even if you didn't pick this winery, you might find for yourself another one.

                      If you indeed don't have "proper" wine storage, buy several that are big and cheap with this year's label on it, and put them in the coolest dark place you have (like a crawl space in a box). In 10 years, some of it will be junk, and some of it might surprise you pleasantly.

                      In fact, I used to keep all the really cheapo wine that people would bring me at Thanksgiving and other events and put it away "for later". About every 5 years, I'd go look at them and open several at a given time to see what had luckily matured into something better, and what hadn't. I still remember a great "Soave", a Bollinger (iirc), I had that was like a $5 bottle of wine that after 8-10 years had turned golden yellow like broomstraw and was just remarkable. But you could never have predicted it.

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                      1. re: fussycouple

                        What type of wine refrigerator do you have?

                        Also, what exactly makes the difference between a wine that ages well and one that doesn't? Acidity level? Alcohol content?

                        Mayacamas sounds interesting. Are there any other vineyards like it that use similar methods that perhaps have a wider range of distributors? I live in DC so I probably won't ever come in contact with California artisan vineyards like that. Perhaps you can buy some bottles and sell them to me on ebay? :)

                        1. re: takadi

                          Google "wine refrigerators". I like a Danby 75 bottle one. It's big enough that the space is efficient, it's small enough to move when you have to without 4 guys, and it looks nice. Try not to pay more than $10 per bottle of storage unless you have disposable income.

                          Your second question is better answered by a small senior level thesis paper, but you look it up in numerous places here on the internet, or maybe some kind guru here will provide you with a 500 word answer.

                          I'll bet you a dollar you can find Mayacamas *somewhere* in DC, or just across the line in Baltimore. And there are so many good alternatives I wouldn't know where to start. Any big cabernet or pinot noir, any Auslese or above riesling, any good sauterne will last quite some time.

                          Or you could buy a bottle of Vintage Port. It's traditional.

                          1. re: takadi

                            >> Also, what exactly makes the difference between a wine that ages well and one that doesn't? Acidity level? Alcohol content?

                            Neither. It is often a function of how much 'tannins' are in the wine.
                            Any wine with price of say $20 or more should come with information about its aging potential. You can find this out on wineries web site or directly from your knowledgeable wine retailer. Cabernet Sauvignon or Syrah type wines are usually prime examples of red wines with very long aging potential.

                            As to storage - it all depends what climate you live in. Being in Northern California I don't need any special refrigiration for wines, basement of my house, next to bedrock works well as a cellar.

                            1. re: olasek

                              "
                              >> Also, what exactly makes the difference between a wine that ages well and one that doesn't? Acidity level? Alcohol content?

                              Neither. It is often a function of how much 'tannins' are in the wine.
                              "

                              Life would be so simple if wine aging were a function of a single variable...!

                              1. re: RicRios

                                --Life would be so simple if wine aging were a function of a single variable...!

                                If it were a single variable, I'll take a good cork over anything else!

                                And I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight into what wineries put on the back labels, $20 or not. The only info worth having would be the varietal breakdown and vineyard information, if any.

                                As for the wines to age, assuming you have proper cellaring, there are so many... Châteauneuf, Côte-Rôtie, Cornas, and those are just reds in the Rhône. A lot of it will depend on what you like to drink. I second din's suggestion of Vieux Télégraphe CDP and the Pio Cesare Barolo, especially the single vineyard Ornato. I've only had these wines young, but they should age magnificently.

                                1. re: mengathon

                                  >> And I wouldn't put a whole lot of weight into what wineries put on the back labels, $20 or not

                                  Nowhere did I say that such information is available on the back labels. Such information may be however available on the more extensive write-up/specification about the given wine not to mention other sources of course.

                            2. re: takadi

                              Weather in DC can get pretty hot! What is your storage situation? Have you got a place where it is dark and stays pretty cool despite the weather outside?

                              If you are only planning to store one bottle, could you find someone with a wine fridge or cellar who might be willing to babysit your bottle for 10 years?

                              If you decide to invest in a wine fridge, I should warn you that it can become an expensive habit. If my hubbie knew then what he knows now, he would have never let me buy that small wine rack that set off this whole crazy habit! Started with a 6 bottle wine rack, decided to try a 50 bottle fridge, now we are overflowing from the 200 bottle fridge and I am trying to convince him that we need to convert some space in our condo communal basement into a proper cellar. So far, he isn't budging. Can't say I blame him. But what a fun hobby!

                              So for me, the issue isn't what to buy, it's how you can store it to maximize your chances of having a great experience in 10 years. I do feel that cellaring wine yourself is the most cost-effective and satisfying way to enjoy a properly aged wine.

                              Try to find a reasonable storage solution, and then purchase the wine. It may also be prudent to purchase 2 or 3 bottle of it, to have a greater chance of having a good bottle. (but beware, this is the slippery slope that is wine cellaring. It sucks you in!)

                              I cast a vote for a Chateauneuf-du-Pape 2005 red that ChefJune suggested. These will be great to drink in ten years, just a wonderful wine experience! One possible suggestion: Clos du Mont-Olivet Chateauneuf du Pape La Cuvee du Papet 2005, about $70 dollars.

                              1. re: moh

                                I have a bottle of Bourdeax that I found around the house (Chateau Lillian Ladouys 2004). Not too sure how good it is or how long it will last, but I put it away in a cupboard in my basement. It can get pretty cold down there, but around the summer time it stays pretty cool, around 70-75 degrees. Not sure if that's the right temperature though.

                                I don't think I have the income to buy several bottles though!

                                1. re: takadi

                                  Ideal cellar temperature is 55 degrees F. You could get away with 65 if it's consistent all year round. But 75 is too hot -- it'll basically make the wine age a lot faster, and not in a good way.

                                  Totally agree with moh. I started with just a bottle or two and now have a 40 bottle fridge with some overflow. I'm looking to build a bigger cellar in my pantry, but wow is this an expensive habit! Fun and delicious, but NOT cheap.

                                  That said, I sort of think you're doing this backwards. Maybe I'm crazy, but I would think you'd want to drink a bunch of stuff NOW, figure out what you like, and THEN pick something you want to save and drink in 10 years. As you can see from this thread, different people like very different kinds of wine, and just picking one at random seems, well, random, and may leave you fussing over a wine that in 10 years may not even be something you like.

                                  1. re: oolah

                                    Yea it's not like I'm just buying wine so I can store it away for opening ten years later. It's just that I want that one special one I can open years from now and say "this was the first wine I bought on my 21st bday" or something like that. It's a little petty, but it's something I've always wanted to do.

                                    I'm thinking wine fridges cost quite alot though

                                    1. re: takadi

                                      If you are intent on buying it for later, but lack proper storage (don't worry, not petty, it's a cute idea really), hunt down someone you trust who has a wine cellar or a fridge. If not, maybe you are buddies with someone who works at a restaurant or a wine store... If not, I would seriously consider simply explaining to the owner/manager of the store where you buy this bottle your dilemma. My guess is that she'd happily and willingly oblige you.

                                  2. re: takadi

                                    "I don't think I have the income to buy several bottles though"

                                    I hear you, Takadi! I still have a few bottles from my early collecting days, when I could only afford one bottle at a time of the more expensive bottles (Frankly, I still can only afford one or two bottles of the expensive wines these days too!)I have no regrets about splurging on any of those bottles, and only rarely have been disappointed by a bad bottle. It is well worth the time and effort to cellar. It is so nice to pull out a well-aged wine, especially when you know you wouldn't be able to find the bottle on the current market, or couldn't afford it at all now.

                                    Given your storage situation and your budget, I'd be inclined to agree with Oolah. Spend your money on wines to drink now. Occasionally splurge on slight more expensive or older bottles. Talk to a good wine merchant, get their opinions. Get an idea of what you really like before you splurge on an expensive bottle that need 5+ years of aging. Maybe try finding some wines that cost about $20-30 per bottle, can age for 2-5 years, and start that way. Shorter aging times might be a bit more forgiving in your basement, which may be fine for aging for 2-5 years, but less forgiving over 10-30 years. There are many wonderful wines that would fit this bill.

                                    But I warn you now: if you get the collecting bug, you'll start thinking thing like this: "Oooh, look at this bottle of Chateau Lala... Oh this is a famous wine, I've loved all the cheaper wines from this region, I wonder what this one is like? Hmm, I can afford one bottle. Hmm, looks like it ages well based on all these reports on the web, perhaps I can age it? Oh look, a small wine fridge, this will be perfect to age the Lala.... Hey, they have Chateau Yummy, oh this is a famous wine...."

                                2. re: takadi

                                  Takadi, Cuisinart makes a 9-bottle baby wine fridge that sells for $219 at Sears. Granted it is really a teaser, but if you have only a tiny space, it might not be a bad suggestion to keep your special bottle fresh as a daisy for 10 years...

                                  I have had a Danby 50 bottle one for the past 5 years. It really only holds 42 bottles, but otherwise, it works fine, and fits the space I have.

                              2. I would recommend from either old or new world. I recently tried a 1962 Leoville-Barton and had to wait 46 years for it to be at it's prime.

                                Go with, old world, Spain. I recommend a Marquis de Riscal of any vintage. It's drinks stunningly now, I just wish I could keep a bottle for 10 years to find out! Drank the 1996 in 2005 and it was amazing.

                                For New World, if you can get your hands on a Glaetzer Amon-Ra 2005 or 2006. A truly incredible Barossa Shiraz from Young Australian Wine Maker of the Year, Ben Glaetzer.

                                1. Not sure what your deadline is (what date you turn 22), but like some of the earlier posters, I would suggest treating this as a process. Your profile says you are in/near DC, I'd suggest posting on that board for suggestions about good wine bars and stores that offer tastings. Taste lots of wines and wine types. Hopefully you will find a good store for you nearby. Then you'll be able to develop a relationship with a wine person who will understand your preferences and can help you select a wine or two that is made to be ready to drink in the 2018 timeframe in your price range.

                                  Chef June's post about the Cuisinart wine fridge reminded me that I had seen an even smaller one in a Costco recently, a 6 bottle size for $99.
                                  http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product....

                                  Happy Tasting!