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kfontaine27 Apr 26, 2008 07:55 PM

made a lunch reservation for next week. i've heard fine things about it. anyone know what the lunch is like? prices, etc.? is it the same menu as dinner? prix fixe? thank you

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  1. notmartha RE: kfontaine27 May 7, 2008 07:17 PM

    I inquired a few weeks ago and the only openings they had were for lunch. The prices quoted were:

    6 courses for € 135,00
    7 courses for € 158,00

    They also have ala carte items, but I doubt it's much cheaper. We decided to go for Schwarzwaldstube instead, as it had the 3 stars for a while, and they have a 5 course for 126 euros which will work out better as I really can't eat that much food.

    1. ChinoWayne RE: kfontaine27 May 8, 2008 09:44 AM

      Mind sharing with us reading along, where in the world this restaurant is located?

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        notmartha RE: ChinoWayne May 9, 2008 08:58 PM

        Black Forest, Germany.

        http://germany-travel.suite101.com/ar...

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          uvahustla RE: notmartha May 9, 2008 09:52 PM

          had lunch at the 3 michelin star schwarzwald stube close by in march. Meal was 4 hours and the 5 course menu left me stuffed and by mother almost painfully so. Enjoy, there is some special food being made.

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            notmartha RE: uvahustla May 10, 2008 05:57 PM

            Was that during dinner? I didn't really anticipate 4 hours for 5 courses; for most places in US that will be more like 2 hours. That's a little long - 50 minutes per course?

            Anyway, hope lunch isn't that long. Otherwise it'll be almost time for our normal dinner if it's 4 hours.

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              uvahustla RE: notmartha May 16, 2008 10:23 PM

              That was during lunch, we definitely took our time in choosing which tasting to do and made some adjustments though. First you get complimentary champagne and are welcomed, then comes the amuse bouche which is like a course, then the bread course, it's more like 30 minutes per course (2.5 hrs.) + time for amuse bouche, cheese, pre dessert, bread, and coffee afterwards.

              I know it seems like a long time but it didn't seem like it......the courses were perfectly spaced and it was very comfortable. I think the average meal is between 3-4 hours.....but if you don't get the tasting it would be alot faster

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                notmartha RE: uvahustla May 18, 2008 09:08 AM

                Thanks for the info. I guess we will have to order ala carte. I wanted to be able to do some sightseeing and was planning only a 2 hour lunch.

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        kfontaine27 RE: kfontaine27 May 15, 2008 11:15 AM

        went to Bareiss and got the 6-course tasting menu. it was undoubtedly the greatest dining experience of my life. i found it superior to all of new york's 3 stars, and also to any great french restaurant i've been to, including the old lucas carton. the setting is breathtakingly beautiful. the service is impeccable but thoroughly unpretentious, and the food... the food... highlights included a white halibut with mordels and sherry sauce, perhaps the greatest single dish i've ever had, and a curd cheese tarte with rhubarb sauce. claus-peter lumpp's cooking is subtle and masterful. tastes combine in often surprising but always satisfying ways. the effect was overwhelming.

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          2FlyingYorkies RE: kfontaine27 Jun 10, 2008 07:37 PM

          I'm a bit late to this thread, but I'll go ahead and chime in. My husband and I ate at both Restaurant Bareiss and Schwarzwaldstube a couple of years ago. We spent 5 days in Baiersbronn and we stayed at Hotel Bareiss. Both Bareiss and Schwarzwaldstube were outstanding, and I'd agree that both were better than anywhere we've eaten in France or in the US, and they were absolutely great values for the price they charged. Bareiss just had 2 stars when we were there, and it was a notch below the 3 starred Schwarzwaldstube, but really only in service, not in the quality of the food. The service was good, but a bit stuffier than the service at Schwarzwaldstube. The hotel manager told us back then that they were expecting their third star that next year (in reality it took them 2 years).

          We had the menu one night for dinner at Restaurant Bareiss (6/7 courses, we each tried a different one) and it lasted about 3 hours. We had the menu for lunch at Schwarzwaldstube (5/7 courses), and it lasted 5 hours, but we were the last ones there. Other guests who ordered off the a la carte menu started trickling out after about 3 hours. Each restaurant had a few dishes on the menu that were memorable, and I don't think either of us ever had a single course that was uninspiring.

          When staying at Bareiss, we were able to eat breakfast and dinner at the various restaurants throughout the hotel every day as part of the hotel package, and they were all really good. The breakfast buffet was awesome, and we got our choice of 4 or 5 courses for dinner each night. We actually managed to get in another 2 courses for dinner back at the regular Bareiss restaurant after lunch at Schwarzwaldstube, not because we were hungry, but because the food was just too good to pass up. We stuck to soup and salad that night. LOL

          In summary, I don't think you can go wrong with either of these two restaurants. We keep trying to find restaurants on the same level as these two, and have been unsuccessful so far. They are definitely worth a detour or a special trip to visit.

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            notmartha RE: 2FlyingYorkies Jun 10, 2008 08:26 PM

            Thanks for your input. We'll be there in about a week, so this info is timely. Sounds like I'll have to do the ala carte. Even 3 hours is more than I bargained for. I guess we better get something to occupy my 9 year old with.

            I can hardly wait..

        2. notmartha RE: kfontaine27 Aug 18, 2008 08:25 PM

          We went to the lunch, and as others described, the lunch lasted about 3 hours. The setting and service couldn't have been more beautiful. I didn't do the set menu as they had vension and I don't want to eat Bambi.

          We got the soup with dumplings, and the foie gras as appetizer. Hubbie had the lamb and my son and I split the monkfish for two. We each got a dessert, which was really 2 courses. Funny enough the menu they handed me do not have any prices on it, and as expected, I just went for the most expensive stuff without knowing.

          It was truly a once in a lifetime experience. Food wasn't perfect, but the quality and care was very evident. Even the freebie amuse and post desserts were a work of art. Attached are a few pictures.

           
           
           
           
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            notmartha RE: notmartha Aug 18, 2008 08:29 PM

            cheese course, desserts, and comp mini desserts.

             
             
             
             
          2. Joe H RE: kfontaine27 Aug 29, 2008 07:55 PM

            I'm sorry that I didn't respond to this sooner but Baiersbronn is one of the most incredible villages on earth: two three Michelin starred restaurants, both of which are probably equal to anything in Paris. I've posted at length on both Bareiss and Schwarzwaldstube in the past (especially in '04 if you search "Schwarzwaldstube") and have been to each three or more times over the years.

            Schwarzwaldstube is the most difficult dinner reservation in Germany and one of the most difficult on earth. At least eight months in advance if not more. (they accept reservations a year out) There are eight tables each with a side table for decanting and a foot stool with most of the tables only having two people at them. The view out of the window of the 200+ year old mountainside "wooden castle" is extraordinary and part of the overall experience. The restaurant is a loss leader for the inn with, I believe, eight servers and at least twelve in the kitchen for as few as sixteen or so in the dining room. The five hour prix fixe lunches and dinners actually encompass 12 or more courses with their signature dish being venison in one form or another. There is also a foie gras Napoleon which is incredible. Some will order a la carte but my experience is that most if not all order the larger prix fixe lunch or dinner. Again, it is almost impossible to get in here without planning a half year or more ahead. Many Germans and Swiss build vacations around being able to make a dinner reservation.

            Bareiss until a year or two ago had two stars; now it also has three. A similarly extraordinary experience and almost as difficult of a dinner reservation. Both of these rarely have Americans although at both everyone in the dining room will speak perfect English. Both of these are also relative bargains for what you are served and what you will experience. I'd guess the price of each is half to two thirds of what a three star would be in, say, Paris and certainly as good.

            I love this part of Germany: it is one of the most beautiful places on earth. Between these two incredible restaurants and inns it is a destination worth crossing an ocean for. If you go and can get a reservation have dinner. (lunch is easier to get in for yet dinner is what you really want to experience; a luncheon reservation at Schwarzwaldstube still must be made at least two months or more in advance). Invest four + hours at each, expect twelve + courses and trust them for what you will be served. And, taste everything. These are both extraordinary destinations.

            1. IFS2008 RE: kfontaine27 Sep 4, 2008 04:00 AM

              As I am living in Germany and can put both Bareiss and Schwarzwaldstube into a (German) perspective, some comments are in order:

              At both restaurants go for the degustation menu if you are first timer - they have two a large and a small one priced pretty similarily. It will take you about 3-5 hours depending on your choice but that includes some amuse, pre-dessert, petit four etc. Portion sizes are rather big, but you ask for smaller plates up-front if you want (not sure whether you get a discount.) Setting is ridiculous in my opinion, old-fashioned and outdated in the Bareiss, Schwarzwaldstube is a bit better. In the latter I feel more at home especially because serviceis sol relaxed and refreshing compared to the rather stiff staff at Bareiss.

              Style-wise Lumpp is more traditional, Wohlfahrt more refined, simplistic and ingenious. Last time at Bareiss (when it had two stars) I was rather dissappointed but Lumpp is perceived to get rid of the pressure after he got the "announced" third star - so I may return. Schwarzwaldstube is surely perfect, but Wissler and especially Christian Bau (see my latest review on http://highendfood.wordpress.com) are on par and much more interesting and modern.

              Overall, it is good to read that you regard those restaurant at least on the level of Paris - so Germany is worth going!!

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