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is barbeque in the Valley a contradiction in terms?

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Stan Jul 24, 2002 03:42 AM

Yeah, apparently. For scientific purposes, I had barbequed ribs at three Valley establishments that claim to specialize in such things. Two of the three were okay, but none of them could compete for ten minutes on Adams or Slauson. Here are my notes.

El Paso, 18938 Ventura Blvd, Tarzana, (818) 996-5607. This is a dark steak joint, somewhat expensive, very much a guy place, geared for the sort of guy who has ideas about quality that are strong enough but not exactly the same as the ideas of your average chowhound's. As such the food is plentiful and well-prepared, but also a little bland. All the same, it was probably (by a small margin) the best of the three. The ribs had a little too much char for my taste, but they were meaty, juicy, and fresh, and were rather good even without sauce. The sauce comes in a bowl on the side, which is not my preference, and while it's certainly not offensive, I'm not sure I could pick out any specific flavors in it besides your basic barbeque. Fries and grilled vegetables were inoffensive as well. Though it's on Ventura it's far from a 750 express but stop; you need to use the 150 local. There's a pretty good used CD store next door to it, and a small Sri Lankan store in the next block or so west.

Mom's, 14062 Vanowen St, Van Nuys, (818) 786-1373. There really is a Mom, and she's delightful (though the kid who takes your order would rather be somewhere else), and so you want to like this place really bad. I went in the middle of the afternoon, which is not the best time to get anything that needs to be fresh, so the comparison may not be fair. But the picture as I saw it was mixed. On the upside, Mom's had the best sauce. It was sweet, interesting, fresh-tasting, and not at all hot. (They provided a separate squeeze-bottle of hot sauce, which I'm afraid is not at all the same thing as providing hot barbeque sauce.) The meat came slathered in sauce, which I always like, but the meat itself showed signs of having sat around for a while, with a bit of a dry "skin" on it that you had to chew your way through. I also had some red beans, which were alright. The portions are small, but so are the prices. It's a very small place, maybe eight tables. They've got a radio and television both running at moderate volume, so you're probably not going there because you want to think. On the whole, though, I thought it was reasonably okay. It's a few blocks east of Van Nuys Blvd, and there's a stop for the 165 bus right outside.

Dr. Hogly Wogly's, 8136 Sepulveda Blvd, Van Nuys, (818) 782-2480. This was easily the worst of the three; in fact I was quite taken aback, given some of the hype I had heard about the place. Much of the meat I was served was literally inedible, and I ended up discarding quite a bit of it after extended sessions of futile chewing. They served two different sauces, a mild sauce that was served warm in a cream pitcher and a hot sauce that was in a cold squeeze-bottle on the table. I have to admit that barbeque sauce in a squeeze-bottle always gets me off on the wrong foot with a place (as for example Mr. Cecil's, which I find wildly overpriced for what it is). I mean, the stuff is sitting there culturing bacteria all day, and how gross is that? Besides, it's cold. The mild sauce was the more interesting of the two, but both were strikingly unmemorable. Nor were the fries anything special. This was all a shame, given that the people are really very nice, always ready to refill your soda, etc. The restaurant itself is done up in paneling, which I guess does make for a brief vacation from Los Angeles. The neighborhood is ugly as heck, sun-blasted and hard on by the railroad tracks. That part is authentic anyway. You get there on the 234 bus which runs along Sepulveda; the cross street is Roscoe.

So that's my Valley barbeque experience. If I have missed any Valley barbeque revelations, do tell.

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    Filmfreaketta RE: Stan Jul 24, 2002 09:26 AM

    To add to your list DO NOT GO TO STUDIO BBQ on Moorpark near Tujunga. This is easily the worst BBQ I've ever had. The sauce was industrial at best and the ribs tasted like they had been microwaved (not that I know what that would taste like but I can only imagine).

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      Eric RE: Filmfreaketta Jul 24, 2002 10:49 AM

      When ever I go to Dr. Hogly Woglys I only get the brisket. This is what they are known for. You also may want to try My Brother's BBQ in Woodland Hills.

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        Ed RE: Eric Jul 24, 2002 08:42 PM

        In the Valley, try

        1) The Valley Ranch, a very old, fifties-style place on in Van Nuys, on Sherman Way, between Hayvenhurst and Balboa, on the north side of the street. Solid, mild BBQ. A fine lamb sandwich. Good beef ribs. As untrendy a place as they come.

        2) Ribs USA, in Burbank on Olive Avenue, east of Hollywood Way and west of Buena Vista; or in Sherman Oaks, just west of Sepulveda on Ventura Blvd, in a crazy place made up to look like the Chicago El. I love the sheer gusto and messiness of the rib tips they serve here. It should be said, though, that Ribs USA is a controversial choice. I know people who hate the place.

        Not to start a flame war or anything, but I personally like the Studio BBQ on Moorpark. I've been going there, through all its various owners and name changes, since the mid-1980's. Their BBQ sauce is, in a word, robust.

        Finally, contrary to other reviews I've read here, I'm really disappointed with Pecos Bill's in Burbank. The one sandwich I ever ate there seemed like it could have been prison food. The meat was gray, greasy and flavorless. The bun was limp. So, I guess one chowhound's BBQ is another chowhound's poison...

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          griffster RE: Ed Jul 2, 2007 05:43 PM

          you know whats good? although you need extra sauce
          uncle andres in studio city on moorpark and colfax

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            Das Ubergeek RE: griffster Jul 3, 2007 09:11 AM

            My problem with them is that I really want barbecue -- cooked slowly over smoke -- and Uncle Andre's doesn't do that -- they cook the meat, then add smoke flavour.

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          DrHowie RE: Eric Jul 25, 2002 12:55 AM

          I agreee, at Hogly Wogly it is the brisket or the hot links that are great..the ribs are only fair.

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        sfvhunger RE: Stan Jul 24, 2002 01:09 PM

        i am so glad someone else (besides the mrs and i) feel that hoglys is sub par. the ribs are fair, awfully expensive and the sides are horrible. the prices should be much cheaper given the location. yes the staff is good. When i was going the carpet was disgusting i was surer there were critter down there but we couldn't see them.

        i have had a hard time finding bbq in the valley too. people love a place on victory called 'peco bills'
        WATCH OUT this place is mega disgusto.

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          mark n RE: Stan Jul 24, 2002 08:44 PM

          Couldn't agree more with your assessment of Hogly's, I have never figured out what the hype is all about. Been meaning to try Mom's, doesn't sound like it's worth a trip from Northridge.

          There used to be a great rib place called Diamond's on Ventura Blvd. east of Winnetka (I believe where Green Cottage is now), but they've been closed for a few years now.

          Unfortunately I believe the best ribs to be had in the Valley right now are at Houston's in Woodland Hills. Other than that it's pretty slim pickin's.

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            THEE STEALTH RE: mark n Jul 24, 2002 09:46 PM

            Diamond's was a throw back of the Tony Roma chain!! The owner hired one of executive chefs of TR's to consult years ago. We were never impressed!!

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              mark n RE: THEE STEALTH Jul 24, 2002 10:50 PM

              In my recollection Diamond's was much better than TR's, although it's been quite a few years.

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                THEE STEALTH RE: mark n Jul 24, 2002 11:34 PM

                Well as one Chowhound, who just posted awhile ago said, "one chowhound's treasure is another chowhounds junk"!!!

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                Golem RE: THEE STEALTH Jul 3, 2007 08:08 AM

                I need to rant (okay, comment) about Tony Roma's, in Encino. I had the worst ever bbq chicken there a few weeks ago. It was dry and mostly inedible. The service was lousy, slow, and sloppy, as well.

                Last year I ate at a Tony Roma's in Las Vegas (can't remember the hotel...maybe my brain has blocked it out), and got sick on the beef ribs. On the plus side, I did not gain weight on that Vegas trip.

                Maybe there are some good Tony Roma's still left in the chain, but I for one will never find out.

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                Hackenbush RE: mark n Oct 25, 2006 05:08 PM

                The "hype" about Dr. Hogly-Wogly is merely a matter of a once-great restaurant that is no longer as good as it once was. There was a time when it had the best barbecue in Southern California and all the praise was warranted.

                Now, it's not as good or at least not consistent. It's possible to have a very poor meal there. Even the brisket, which I used to love, wasn't great on my last visit.

                When you see or hear people raving about the place, they may be remembering their last visit there years ago or maybe they just got lucky on a recent trip.

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                  davinagr RE: Hackenbush Oct 25, 2006 10:33 PM

                  I work across the street from Hogleys and the last time I went the brisket was awful. No smoke taste, poor quantity and dry as a bone. The sauce couldn't even help rescue this meat. We went at lunch and felt like they were rushing us out the minute we finished. I won't be back.

                  My latest guilty pleasure is Moms. Although, went last week and the beef ribs tasted baked and were disappointing. I'll be back though. Love the green beans, yams and mac n cheese she makes. Call ahead, take out only IMO (they have a few tables), orders take time.

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                  LesThePress RE: mark n Jul 3, 2007 09:14 AM

                  I like Grandpa Freds on Victory/Variel. Good sauces and I like their beef ribs.

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                  Norm RE: Stan Jul 25, 2002 12:43 AM

                  I have heard pretty decent BBQ in the Valley can be found at

                  My Brother's Bar-B-Q
                  21150 Ventura Blvd.
                  Woodland Hills
                  (818) 348-2020

                  I haven't been able to make it out there myself yet.

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                    Eric RE: Norm Jul 25, 2002 12:36 PM

                    I use to work in Warner Center and this use to be one of our regular stops for lunch. The beef ribs can sometimes be a bit fatty. Otherwise, the food is good and messy. They serve the bbq Tennessee style with the sauce put on after the food is cooked with extra sauce on the side. Their sauce is vert different from anywhere else but hard to explain why.

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                      Wonginator RE: Norm Oct 26, 2006 04:56 PM

                      I was not impressed with My Brother's BBQ when I visited it earlier this year. The place really reminded me of the Chris & Pitts chain foodwise, as the beef ribs that I ordered were unimpressive. The garlic cheese bread is fantastic, though.

                      Here's the link to my earlier review:
                      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/show/...

                      There are quite a few reviews of My Brother's BBQ on Chowhound.

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                      JeffS RE: Stan Jul 25, 2002 02:45 AM

                      Seems like it's tough to get a consensus about BBQ.

                      No one's mentioned the Bear Pit, on Sepulveda just
                      north of the 118 ("Yer dern tootin we cook with wood..."). Years ago there were several, Glendale and West Valley. And it seems like it was better then, too.

                      Still, I like them occasionally - they have a good sandwich on garlic toast, two kinds of meat.

                      I'll agree with the posting about brisket at Hogly-Wogly's - that's definitely their forte.

                      It's been a long time, but there was a BBQ on Topanga near Dumetz (south of Ventura) owned by twin brothers who'd started the biz after being "twin fiddlers fiddlin'" in an old DoubleMint gum commercial. I think it was called the Rib Ranch, and it was pretty good... anyone know it? Is it gone?

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                        mark n RE: JeffS Jul 25, 2002 09:08 PM

                        Rib Ranch is still there, can't vouch for the quality since I haven't eaten there in about 10 years.

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                          boogiebaby RE: JeffS Oct 28, 2006 08:06 PM

                          Rib Ranch is still great. We had them by by about 3 weeks ago for an on-site BBQ lunch at work. The baby back ribs were great, as was the tri-tip. The mexican style rice had lots of flavor and veggies, and the salsas on the side were homemade and delicious.

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                          Eric RE: Stan Jul 25, 2002 12:33 PM

                          Nobody has mentioned Rosie's on Tampa in Northridge.

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                            mark n RE: Eric Jul 25, 2002 09:15 PM

                            I live close to Rosie's but don't care for their ribs, the pork ribs always had a funny taste to me like the meat wasn't stored properly or something. Now they're expanding to other locations so the quality might go even further downhill.

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                            Lotus RE: Stan Jul 27, 2002 01:25 AM

                            Check out Uncle Andre's in Studio City. It's also known by another name but I don't remember the second name... The walk-up restaurant is in a mini-mall on the corner of Colfax Avenue and Moorpark.

                            Pretty tasty ribs, pulled pork sandwiches and at very reasonable prices. We normally order the combo plate and split it.... sausage, chicken, ribs, couple of sides and great cornbread. Keep in mind, they are VERY SLOW. We get take out as seating is limited.

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                              Hornacho RE: Lotus Oct 25, 2006 02:15 AM

                              Yes, I can't believe that Uncle Andre's hasn't been mentioned either. It's actually unbelievable to me considering how good their food is.

                              Uncle Andre's is the best BBQ I've had in the valley. I've been in search of good baby backs and this place does it for me. The sauce is sweet and yummy. The combo dinner is amazing! Plenty of food that tastes great = Uncle Andre's

                              Dr. Hogly Pogly-Wigly-whatever... is horrible. The decor is old-school and somewhat fun if you like that sort of thing, but the food was weak. Had the brisket everyone raves about which was like eating a hunk of seasoned leather.

                              Rib Ranch... yuck. My parents used to order from there all the time. The bbq sauce is bland. Tony Roma's is better believe it or not.

                              My Brother's BBQ... Same as Rib ranch IMHO. Nothing outstanding.

                              El Paso... Edible but also nothing to really tell your friends about.

                              Verdict:
                              Uncle Andre's is really the only place I've found that is truly delicious BBQ.

                              Uncle Andre's is very slow. Don't expect your food to be ready quickly... ever. Expect 1/2 hour to 1 hour wait. I waited 1 hour 20 minutes once (that was a holiday) and they threw in a free banana pudding which is to die for. Yes, it's that delicious. Just call ahead and take home. I repeat, call ahead not just for the wait times, but also they tend to close on days when they're supposed to be opened. Meaning, they randomly close whether they want.

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                                Das Ubergeek RE: Hornacho Oct 25, 2006 01:35 PM

                                This post was 4 years old... and Uncle Andre's isn't BBQ at all, it's steamed meat thrown on a grill with some liquid smoke and some BBQ sauce... BBQ to me (you may choose to disagree) involves hours and hours and hours in a BBQ.

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                              jackt RE: Stan Oct 25, 2006 07:59 AM

                              grandpa fred's is good also.

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                                gideon RE: jackt Nov 5, 2006 06:46 PM

                                Seconded. Grandpa Fred's on Variel and Victory in Woodland Hills. No pork but the q isn't bad.

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                                Otius Gojius RE: Stan Oct 26, 2006 04:35 AM

                                Talking about BBQ here has driven me INSANE! If you people keep going over to Mom's and DON'T get the peach cobbler, I am going to come over there and give you such a pinch! Mom's peach cobbler will wreck you up, and you will never tolerate any other cobbler.

                                As far as BBQ in the Valley goes, it's all subjective and perhaps un-discuss-able. I love the brisket and links at Dr. Hogly Wogly Tyler Texas BBQ. I don't care about the neighborhood, I don't care about the ambience (ha, you kids should have seen that place before they put up that panelling!) I just like the beef. I like my beef dry and stringy, even though Hogly's is usually reasonably moist and sufficiently tender. I use the sauces sparingly so that don't really confront me.

                                It's all subjective. I like Hogly's; you don't! Fine, don't go, oh and while you not going, also stop going to Brents too and hogging all the parking spaces there.

                                I ate brisket around Austin, TX (Rudy's in Gruene and Mueller's in Taylor), while it was extremely tender, I found it undercooked, oily and mildly, delicately flavored. I don't think you can find that kind of brisket in L.A. and that's fine by me. I'll go to Phillips or Hogly's.

                                Whoever griped about the quantity at Hogly's must be confused.

                                What-so-ever-at-all.

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                                  davinagr RE: Otius Gojius Oct 26, 2006 11:31 PM

                                  Otius that was my comment on Hogley's quantity. Last time I was there portions were about half what they usually are and I'm not going to get into a personal opinion debate on what we all like because that's a no win. IMHO it was dry and tasteless...not sure what happened, but others have been complaining of late as well. Check the other posters on this thread. Been there many a time before, reco'd the brisket on this board before, won't be recommending it again. With regard to Mom's cobbler....I dig it. Had some a few days ago....SOOOooooo good!

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                                  deadorinjail RE: Stan Oct 26, 2006 05:46 PM

                                  Hogly Woglys can't hold a candle to Phillips or any other place that actually uses a smoker -- IMHO, that's the serious difference between divine and bleech.

                                  Oh, and it's fair to say that I also believe that Ribs USA is the single worst BBQ I've ever had, and I've had it hundreds of times, all over the country. I'd rather BBQ my gym socks.

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                                    Das Ubergeek RE: deadorinjail Oct 27, 2006 05:10 AM

                                    That's because you haven't been to Mr. Cecil's Ribs. The worst "BBQ" in the history of history -- I've had better barbecue out of frozen bags at Ralphs.

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                                      Jwsel RE: Das Ubergeek Oct 27, 2006 08:58 PM

                                      Thank you. One of my colleagues loves Mr. Cecil's and repeatedly has food catered from there for events. It's always awful. The only thing edible are the hush puppies.

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                                        sel RE: Jwsel Oct 28, 2006 08:33 PM

                                        Went once a long time ago shortly after they opened on Pico Bl. and had a burger IIRC that was rec. by J. Gold in LA Weekley. It was tasty but I haven't been back. I also liked the historic building; one of the long gone Chili Bowl Restaurants. There is another that has morphed into a Kim Chuy Restaurant on Valley Bl. in the SGV.

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                                        BearCity RE: Das Ubergeek Nov 5, 2006 09:01 PM

                                        For Valley BBQ, I've been to Mr. Cecil's and Mom's. I always get pork ribs. For ribs themselves, Mr. Cecil's was much better, although Mom's has better sides.

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                                          Das Ubergeek RE: BearCity Nov 5, 2006 11:19 PM

                                          Oh boy. Mom's is the place on Hazeltine and Vanowen, right? I haven't been there... but Mr. Cecil's is, wow, just horrible, so now I'm wondering if I should even bother going to Mom's.

                                          I'd go to Ribs USA before I went to Mr. Cecil's. Try Dr. Hogly Wogly's or the place on Vanowen and Vineland... neither is outstanding but they're both a damn sight better than Mr. Cecil's.

                                          Also, to contribute to the thread in general, Smokin' Jack's in Burbank... just don't. It's horrendously bad (but still not as bad as Mr. Cecil's).

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                                          summerteeth RE: Das Ubergeek Jul 21, 2007 11:48 AM

                                          recently ate at mr. cecil's. ordered beef & babyback ribs and bbq chicken. ribs were charred and bitter. beef ribs were dry. babybacks were edible but the extra carbon from the charring left a horrible charcoal aftertaste.

                                          good hushpuppies and chicken bbq. that's all. i won't go back.

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                                            carter RE: summerteeth Jul 21, 2007 12:39 PM

                                            You obviously went without reading DU's post - thus the benefit of chowhound. Actually the other end of the next block east is the Boneyard Bistro, and the ribs side of the menu is quite good, quite extensive, yet no more expensive that cecil's slop. Try it. Good beers and wines btw!

                                      3. therealbigtasty RE: Stan Oct 26, 2006 06:43 PM

                                        Okay, so it's not in the valley, but I'm a fan of Zeke's over at Santa Monica and La Brea. Even though it has a chain restaurant ambience, they have Shiner Bock on tap and the best Macoroni and Cheese I've ever had in a restaurant.

                                        Also, I love El Paso, but it's prices are ridiculously high. For a spell my favorite thing to get there was the "Tall Texan", a pile of brisket slathered in chili, and covered with melted cheese!

                                        Awesome and bad for you.

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                                          davinagr RE: therealbigtasty Oct 26, 2006 11:35 PM

                                          I like the Mac at Zeke's too, but really try the Mac at Moms. It's great.

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                                            KinLA RE: davinagr Oct 27, 2006 01:53 AM

                                            Try the Coconut Cake, too at Mom's.

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                                              kevin RE: KinLA Oct 27, 2006 04:48 AM

                                              and it's only like 2 bucks, good prices here to boot.

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                                              therealbigtasty RE: davinagr Oct 27, 2006 02:24 AM

                                              I'm always down for mac and cheese!

                                          2. ashlee RE: Stan Oct 27, 2006 03:24 AM

                                            If you want decent BBQ in the valley, you should try The Bear Pit. IMO...could be the only halfway enjoyable rack of ribs near by. They are worth checking out. As are the sandwich's.

                                            I will fully admit to being a Kansas City BBQ snob. Sorry.

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                                              davinagr RE: ashlee Oct 27, 2006 07:13 PM

                                              I don't eat baby backs, I'm just a beef rib eater, but they are divine at the Bear Pit. Red ring, smokey flavor, really like their sweeter sauce and the 'Homemade' brand in the barrel pickles they serve. The best pickles ever IMO. Very few establishments still sell em.

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                                              kevin RE: Stan Oct 27, 2006 11:01 PM

                                              beef ribs at bear pit? do you have a locale on it? and were else have you had beef ribs at for comparison? thanks, so i know what i'm working with.

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                                                davinagr RE: kevin Oct 30, 2006 03:45 PM

                                                Rib joints that I like and frequent are as follows:

                                                Chris n Pitts - Whittier - Best beef ribs by far. Smokey, falling off the bone, crispy, best value.

                                                Green Acres Market - Simi Valley

                                                Mom's BBQ - Van Nuys

                                                Zekes - West Hollywood

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                                                  Wes RE: kevin Oct 31, 2006 03:05 AM

                                                  Porky's in Inglewood has excellent beef ribs.

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                                                  BearCity RE: Stan Nov 5, 2006 08:58 PM

                                                  Tried Mom's BBQ last night. It was a constant dichotomy between great & crappy. Pork ribs were very disappointing, but enjoyed a hot link. Red beans & rice were completely unseasoned & bad, but potato salad and macaroni & cheese were fantastic. Peach cobbler was great. But man, those ribs were the centerpiece of the meal, and they, ahem, sucked. Tasted like it was unseasoned, boiled/steamed, then slathered in sauce. No smoke flavor in the meat at all, and chewy as hell.

                                                  I'll go back for the potato salad, mac & cheese, and peach cobbler, but I've eaten my last rib at that place.

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                                                    wizardx RE: BearCity Apr 11, 2007 11:11 PM

                                                    Most of the sides at Moms are excellent if you get the Mac and Cheese when it's fresh it is some of the best in town, a creamy , cheesy festival of sloppy mess, their cobbler is a lil too sweet sometimes but the flavors and buttery crust floating in the peachy goodness are addicting. I always lament that this place isn't better than it is.. I want a greeat bbq jiont in the valley damnit! It has the potential to be better.but oh well... I just get some hot links and some fried chicken (Very good!) and a few sides and leave the rest alone.

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                                                      SoCalVal RE: wizardx Apr 11, 2007 11:57 PM

                                                      Anyone know what that sausage is called that they make themselves at Mom's? I always loved getting it and now that I live in Sac, I'm wondering if I could find a similar sausage up here (but just can't remember the name of their sausage). It was a spicy mix of rice, ground meat and maybe some other stuff.

                                                      Also, have to say I always loved the sides I got there (the mac n' cheese and cabbage are memorable faves). Still looking for a Mom's equivalent in Sac!

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                                                        sel RE: SoCalVal Apr 12, 2007 08:43 AM

                                                        I havrn't been to Mom's in years and don't remember their menu but was the sausage Boudin? It's a Cajun pork, rice and spices sausage derived from a French version. Hard to find in these parts

                                                        As far as Sac. is concerned, I was based in Placerville for several months and often headed to Sac. for Chow, you can check the link below for bad news on the CA board, sorry!

                                                        http://www.chowhound.com/topics/86044...

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                                                          SoCalVal RE: sel Apr 15, 2007 08:16 PM

                                                          Thanks! That might've been it; I'll have to look for Boudin around here. Otherwise, I'm headed down to LA next month. I think a trip to Mom's for a care package is in order...

                                                          Thanks also for the info about Everett & Jones; just heard about the closing via that thread a few days ago. I got to try them once at a food meet-up back in January. I remember thinking that the place was rather dead so I guess it's no big surprise they shut down (also, they screwed up the meet-up plans, whch was odd considering that the place was a ghost town when you don't include the 30-40 people for the meet-up; I could understand not being ready for us if the place had been busy!).

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                                                    markn RE: Stan Nov 5, 2006 09:45 PM

                                                    I like the baby back ribs at Outdoor Grill (Reseda & Devonshire). Their cole slaw is good too, not swimming in mayo like most places. I like their fries but they always oversalt them.

                                                    I like El Paso BBQ in Tarzana as well, mostly for the steaks. The baseball steak is really good, their steak fries are excellent.

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                                                      symbebekos RE: Stan Nov 6, 2006 01:40 AM

                                                      My Valley BBQ secret: on Saturdays, guys set up at the Handy Market in Burbank (Handy Market 2514 W. Magnolia Blvd) and barbeque pork ribs and chicken. You have to ask for sauce, otherwise they give you the ribs dry (which I think is insane) but otherwise no complaints. And they're good by Valley standards, much better than Ribs USA (blech!)

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                                                        roasted138 RE: symbebekos Jul 3, 2007 04:15 PM

                                                        I second the Handy Market on Saturdays. Their tri-tip steak sandwiches are money. Just follow the smoke signals!

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                                                          Das Ubergeek RE: roasted138 Jul 3, 2007 09:50 PM

                                                          You can smell that place from freakin' Koreatown... it sucks because I always pass it AFTER I've eaten lunch, and go "ARGH I SHOULD HAVE GONE THERE hemmina hemmina hemmina!"

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                                                            carter RE: roasted138 Jul 3, 2007 09:56 PM

                                                            Might try the new Hows Market on Lankershim for tri-tip on the grill on Saturdays as they bring out the grill every Saturday at every Hows Market this year, as opposed to rotating the locations as they did last year. They do sandwiches very well, and this location is very new, as in the past 6 or so weeks.

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                                                            carter RE: symbebekos Jul 3, 2007 09:54 PM

                                                            The ribs are better at the Boneyard Bistro than anything Ribs USA ever thought of putting out, yet not exactly similar price points as the Boneyard is more of a fine dining version, as opposed to the Ribs' down home, no nonsense, no interest version.

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                                                              magdrumgrl RE: carter Jul 19, 2007 11:23 AM

                                                              Boneyard also makes some of the best brisket I've ever had. I could cut it with a fork and it melted in my mouth. Also sampled the pulled pork....fantastic, the chicken....also yummy. And the sides we ordered (beans, slaw, collard greens and fries) were good too, although the collards were a bit sweet for my taste. To top it all off, they have a fantastic beer menu and our service was prompt, helpful and friendly. Chef Aaron even stopped by for a chat. It was my first trip there but definitely won't be my last.

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                                                                fishyak RE: magdrumgrl Aug 3, 2007 01:45 PM

                                                                Boneyard Bistro is my current pick. As to the Dr. Hogly's - I'm old school and used to live in that area when the original owner was in the house and it was AWESOME. But that was 20 yrs. ago and the restaurant and the neighborhood have declined ever since. The neighborhood is now called the Witch's Hat with 5 gangs fight over control. Each return to Hogly's has shown a slow lowering of standards. But in its day, man, when the Dr. (Hogly) was in... Bear Pit never came close, but would now outrank the Dr. A shame.

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                                                            roasted138 RE: Stan Jul 19, 2007 09:57 AM

                                                            This post brings a little sadness to my heart. After following for the past couple weeks, I was blushingly hopeful of finding another BBQ gem in the valley, having only found the so-far-incomparable Handy Market in Burbank which is only available on Saturday afternoons. There's got to be another way! But unfortunately I seem to be located at the epicenter of sub-par, inauthentic barbeque, ie. Mr Cecil's, Ribs USA, Studio BBQ. I have no concern for beef ribs, no offense to anyone. I'm from Illinois and the only I crave is baby back ribs, no regional sauces/technique preferences. Why can't Big Bob Gibson move to Studio City?!!

                                                            1. Steve2 in LA RE: Stan Jul 26, 2007 04:55 PM

                                                              After tasting a LOT of barbecue in the SF Valley over the past few months, I’d venture to say that Kansas City BBQ Company is superior to just about everything else sold in the Valley referred to as "barbecue."

                                                              If you are from the school that barbecue is all about the meat and smoke, rather than baked-meat-soaked-in-sauce, this is DEFINITELY the place for you. Granted, there are some (albeit misguided) who prefer their meat sopping so, I won't try to change that preference (hey, SOME people actually eat spaghetti from a can.)

                                                              We sampled the half-rack of baby back ribs, half-rack of beef ribs, the beans, the sweet potato fries, the slaw and the potato salad. (2 meat combos, served atop the traditional “Wonder” type bread and 2 extra sides, ran me just under $40 bucks.)

                                                              While I waited for my food to come up, the owner was kind enough to show me the smoker and let me taste his dry rub. (It was gewd, redolent of paprika, sugar, garlic, black pepper and other spices)

                                                              The beef and pork ribs were juicy, smoky and extremely flavorful without the sauce. The hot and sweet sauce (one of the 2 offered) was a very nice compliment to the meat.

                                                              The sweet potato fries were fab. Crunchy, salty, sweet-y. . . SO good with that spicy BBQ sauce. The potato salad and slaw were typically dressed sides that will go great on a sandwich late tonight or tomorrow . . . possibly for breakfast.

                                                              The beans were unquestionably, hands-down, "vote-for-me", the best barbecue beans I’ve tasted, EVER. They're sweet, smoky and packed with chunks of smoked beef that elevate them to “Best Beans Ever”. Of course, that’s just me. Next time, I'm trying their brisket, sausage and pork sandwiches . . . along with a gallon of them beans.

                                                              Go to the Kansas City BBQ Company. Go soon. Go now. Go before the lines are so long, they’ll need to hire valets to park for you like at Pinkberry’s! Go. I’m just sayin’.

                                                              Kansas City BBQ Company
                                                              4141 Lankershim Blvd
                                                              Studio City, CA 91602
                                                              (818) 754-0030

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                                                                enzos momma RE: Steve2 in LA Aug 3, 2007 12:03 AM

                                                                Well I just wanted to say me and my hubby are looking for good bbq, The Bear Pit was awful, meat tasted like it had freezer burn, the only think we liked at hogly wogly was the brisket, and weve never gone back. We have found this place called It's in the Sauce in Woodland hills, we really like the tri tip sandwiches, and the ribs(pork) are really good. The sides are okay, but the I think its definately worth trying and I haven't seen anybody mention it. Its a family own business and the owner is very nice. My favorite right now is Philips in Leimert Park, but its in the sauce is close to our house. Check it out...

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                                                                klaatu RE: Stan Aug 3, 2007 12:16 AM

                                                                Not the valley, but oddly enough the best beef ribs I've ever had are at Bandera at Barrington an Wilshire.

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                                                                  Frankluke RE: Stan Mar 21, 2008 08:23 PM

                                                                  Couldn't agree more with most of the comments on Dr. Hogly-Wogly's and the other observations. To sum it all up: Looking for good valley BBQ is mostly an experience in culinary sadness.

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                                                                    carter RE: Frankluke Mar 21, 2008 09:23 PM

                                                                    Boneyard Bistro is REALLY GOOD, yet not the handout pricewise you might be wanting. The ribs are wonderful, tender, and moist.
                                                                    www.boneyardbistro.com for more info.

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