509575 Tue Apr 15 08:10:57 -0700 2008 451 35 Beer 0 3595729 I generally enjoy almost any beer. I stay away from Bud,Coors, and Miller, I just don't get anything out of them. But as one of the only beers I've ever truly despised, Old Speckled Hen has got to be it. I drank it as a requirement for my local bar's 'mug club'. Wow, that is nasty swill. I've heard it is popular across the pond, but yuck! Anyone agree with that or have your own despised brew, I'm curious to know. Tue Apr 15 08:10:57 -0700 2008 182441 DapperDave 1 3595751 I love it, and any of the English pale ales/bitter ales are fantastic to me. Was the OSH on draft? Tue Apr 15 08:17:32 -0700 2008 3595729 18745 psc109 1 3595985 I had high hopes when I tasted Sam Adams Triple Bock, but it was the first beer I could not finish. It was like drinking syrupy Kikkoman. Worst beer I ever had. The second beer I could not finish was the result of my first attempt at homebrewing, which was vomit inducing. Tue Apr 15 09:09:14 -0700 2008 3595729 180670 jtpeters 2 3653072 Many years ago, my brother-in-law, a beer salesman, brought us a 4pack (I think) of Triple Bock to try. He said it was "an after dinner liquore, but kind of a beer". On Fridays at my job, we'd bring in "interesting" or "oddball" beers to try after 5:00. Everyone equated this "beer" to Quaker State, but worse. I hear it's expensive now, but I wouldn't pay a dollar a bottle. Just awful. Sat May 03 09:56:37 -0700 2008 3595985 82574 jethro 2 3896661 Sam Adams Triple Bock is meant to be aged and enjoyed like a Cognac, not a beer. It is only beer in name because it is made from Barley malt. I don't know why they named it this way, but I have had it, and it is not bad. You drink it in a snifter after a good meal. It is in this way you will see its full potential. Thu Jul 24 03:33:47 -0700 2008 3595985 212668 EX500rider 3 4081773 All beer is made from barley malt. What is it that you think beer is made from? Sat Oct 04 13:06:19 -0700 2008 3896661 125482 BeeRich 4 4085324 Perhaps he meant that although SA Triple Bock is made with beer ingredients and beer procedures, the resulting brew is very unlike what most people associate with beer and is best consumed with a tad more ritual than is usually accorded "beer". Can't say I disagree with him. Like a good barleywine, it's a brew to savor and not chug. I have to agree with him that while SA Triple Bock called beer, it is really something more. Mon Oct 06 10:08:38 -0700 2008 4081773 116047 The Professor 4 4115290 Ex500 didn't say beer is not made from barley malt. But, of course, beer doesn't have to be made from barley malt. Sun Oct 19 20:39:03 -0700 2008 4081773 55316 mpalmer6c 3 4890380 no, it is a beer because of HOW IT IS MADE. It is named "this way" because that is what it is. you like it more? you think it's special? awesome. enjoy it. but it is what it is. Sat Jul 25 16:27:43 -0700 2009 3896661 135229 thew 4 4890589 I agree. "Beer" can be a lot of different things and take a lot of different forms based on the individual interpretation of the brewer. The Triple Bock is an extraordinarily well made beer that pushes the envelope. As a side note (and slightly off the original topic) It's so odd to me how it has become fashionable in some quarters to hate on Sam Adams, especially since they are now evidently one of the largest American brewing companies. They make some terrific beers however, in many ways surpassing the so called "craft" brewers. The reality is that SA is as much a "craft" brewery as any out there, despite their phenomenal growth. Sat Jul 25 18:26:09 -0700 2009 4890380 116047 The Professor 5 4890976 Ehhhh, not sure how much I agree. Sam Adams makes *some* beers that are good, but they make some really abysmal ones. I don't think noticing that has anything to do with fashion. Cherry Wheat is *not* a good beer, nor is their Summer Ale, their Cranberry Lambic, their Blackberry Wit, etc. etc. I like their Boston lager, that's a pretty decent beer. But I think most of their releases are average at best. I also don't get what you mean by saying that they surpass other craft breweries. If you look at who's winning medals in blind tasting competition at events like World Beer Cup and GABF, by and large it's the smaller craft breweries. Sat Jul 25 23:45:40 -0700 2009 4890589 10809 Josh 6 4891140 No need to agree! That's what makes the world (and the forums) go round. Whether any beer is good or bad is a matter of opinion. One person may hate a particular beer and say it isn't well made, another will kvell over it and praise the craft involved. I suppose I did make a pretty broad and generalized statement, but did so only to make the important point that Sam Adams is as much a "craft" brewery as any brewery 1/20th its size (or smaller). They may not make as many alcoholic hop bombs as is the current tiresome fad of other so called 'craft' breweries, but many of SA's products are well above 'average'. It's all relative anyway to individual taste. Plenty to choose from these days, that's for certain. Sun Jul 26 06:20:49 -0700 2009 4890976 116047 The Professor 5 4891197 Jim Koch and his Boston Beer Co. has been ruffling the feathers of many (macro brewers, the big imports, craft brewers and craft beer drinkers) ever since he came along - nearly a decade after the beginning of the "craft beer era" in the US (which I date from New Albion's start). The list is rather long of BBC's "controversies"- some based on Koch's "hucksteristic" marketing, his sometimes "broad" generalizations and re-writing of US beer history, etc. AND some of it is just typical sniping within a very competitive industry. I keep meaning (threatening?) to make up an impartial list of them all but I've found that just NOTING the subjects of those events often puts me into the "Sam Adam haters" category (why, it's enough to make me search the beer fridge for a bottle of SA Imperial Pilsner...). Such a list would include things like the early GABF "Consumer Preference Poll", the co-opting of the "Boston Beer Co." name and history, the history of the previous generations' Koch's breweries and beers, the BL "recipe in the attic" vs Joseph Owades', the Oregon Originals line, the attacks on Heineken and Euro imports (and then exporting SABL), the attacks on other craft brewers, the "shock jock" episode, contract brewing, Hardcore Cider and Twisted Tea, claims re: the former Haffenreffer brewery, the Schoenling brewery purchase/contracts, numerous lawsuits, the definition of "craft" beer by the Brewers Association, etc., etc. etc. So, rather than "fashionable", I'd say that "hate on Sam Adams" is closer to a tradition in the craft beer world <g> - with it's #1 position only adding to the mix rather than simply causing it. Sun Jul 26 06:59:40 -0700 2009 4890589 11059 JessKidden 6 4892826 Good answer. Tradition indeed...I do remember reading about some of these controversies early on. They mainly made me chuckle. Too bad Matt Reich wasn't as aggressive, especially given that he was really first to the party and also had a very good product. But really, all I can say is "whatever". Koch happened to have a good flagship beer (even if it came from Joe Owades' attic rather than grandpa's...I suspect that the truth is actually somewhere in the middle); and ultimately JK and his marketing folks managed to pull off quite a trick (though again, in all fairness, they did have something decent to back it up). None of the controversey really matters in the end...I like his beer. I like it quite a bit. And I like that it is widely available. When travelling, my first beer is _always_ the _local_ choice. But my second beer depends on my reaction to the first...and if that is a negative, these days SA is generally nearby to save the day if need be. Sun Jul 26 20:35:36 -0700 2009 4891197 116047 The Professor 1 3596067 Tsingtao Lite - shoulda known there was a reason the grocery store was selling it for $1.95 a six. Absolutely vile and putrid. Tue Apr 15 09:26:55 -0700 2008 3595729 10576 GroovinGourmet 1 3596155 What particular flavor(s) didn't you like in OSH? Thanks Tue Apr 15 09:44:35 -0700 2008 3595729 26180 Chinon00 1 3596182 It can be hard to discern when a beer is bad due to spoilage or brewing errors, or when it's simply a bad recipe. For me, I'd probably rank Sam Adams Cherry Wheat as one of the most unpleasant beer experiences I've had. I thought it tasted like carbonated cough syrup. I have tried it more than once, and that was how it tasted each and every time, which leads me to conclude that the recipe for it just isn't to my liking. Tue Apr 15 09:50:05 -0700 2008 3595729 10809 Josh 2 3599995 I had a cranberry wheat beer at a brewpub that tasted like Children's Tylenol. Never went back. Wed Apr 16 09:55:06 -0700 2008 3596182 12359 monkeyrotica 1 3596315 For me it's the wheat beers. I've tried the Belgian whites, German hefeweizen, lambics and others. And although I know that they are appreciated by many, to me they taste like vomit. Tue Apr 15 10:21:39 -0700 2008 3595729 14495 viperlush 2 3596634 I personally don't mind them, but I have a friend who thinks they taste like pine-sol cleaner. Tue Apr 15 11:28:30 -0700 2008 3596315 180670 jtpeters 3 3599999 Many hefeweizens can be improved with a squeeze of lemon. If that doesn't work, try urine. It wouldn't make it taste any worse, right? Wed Apr 16 09:56:09 -0700 2008 3596634 12359 monkeyrotica 4 3600161 Lemon was originally used to hide off-flavors in bad beer. Good hefeweizen shouldn't require this addition. Wed Apr 16 10:37:29 -0700 2008 3599999 10809 Josh 5 3600438 Yeah, that was the case with Mexican beers when they were first canned. You'd add limes to distract from the solder flavor. Now, it's just tradition to stick one in your Corona. In the case of some of the wheat beers I've tried, I've found a bit of lemon actually enhances the flavor. Wed Apr 16 11:43:26 -0700 2008 3600161 12359 monkeyrotica 4 4081775 VERBOTEN! Never squeeze any lemon into any wheat beer. Europe would flip over backwards if you did that. A great wheat beer is heaven. Sat Oct 04 13:07:36 -0700 2008 3599999 125482 BeeRich 5 4666008 Actually when I lived in Germany a lot of Weiss biers did get a dose of Lemon. Mainly the Kristal Weiss from what i remember. Fri May 08 09:07:30 -0700 2009 4081775 178033 JanPrimus 5 4890384 mixing beer and lemonade is an old german summertime tradition Sat Jul 25 16:28:40 -0700 2009 4081775 135229 thew 6 4891013 You're talking about a radler, which is beer cut with a substantial amount of lemonade. BeeRich is talking about squeezing a bit of fresh lemon juice into a weizenbier. Sun Jul 26 01:29:11 -0700 2009 4890384 10998 Jim Dorsch 2 3613302 I love the wheat beers generally. Even Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic, which may or may not be an authentic lambic, but who cares? I find it mighty tasty. It seems my worst fears about Sam's Cherry Wheat may be true; I never had the nerve to try it because I figured it would taste just like, you guessed it, carbonated cough syrup. Yecch! Sun Apr 20 19:12:43 -0700 2008 3596315 160926 Kinnexa 3 3721299 I haven't had Samuel Adams "Cherry Lambic" in years, and they may have changed it since I last tasted it. In fact, in its first several years of existence, the so-called "Cranberry Lambic" varied wildly from one year to the next (some editions of the brew -- '93, for example -- I actually liked). But back then, it was never a real lambic. It did not come *close* to meeting, say, Michal Jackson's definition of a lambic. In fact, the the Boston Beer Company regularly resorted to false advertising. Like a lot of fans of serious microbrews at the time, I was pissed off about it. I wrote letters with my objections to the BBC. To his credit, Jim Koch personally replied to me. Less to his credit, he suggested that he was resorting to "innovation" rather than false naming of his beer; and suggested that people like me were attempting to "stifle" his innovations! Oh well. At least Koch cared enough to personally reply to some of his critics. Mon May 26 10:44:39 -0700 2008 3613302 90936 Kenji 2 4997845 Never been of a the Hefeweizen. Glad that I am not the only one. Tue Sep 01 20:36:28 -0700 2009 3596315 15018 elgringoviejo 1 3597235 Anything from Shipyard, Magic Hat, or Middle Ages. Tue Apr 15 13:57:31 -0700 2008 3595729 12014 LStaff 2 3597625 Even Wailing Wench?! Tue Apr 15 15:33:48 -0700 2008 3597235 26180 Chinon00 3 3597664 I got a really nauseating butter bomb bottle of that once. I simply poured it where it belonged and chalked it up to 'getting a bad bottle'. I definitely didn't go around declaring it the 'Worst Beer Ever' and questioning the taste of its admirers... Tue Apr 15 15:42:34 -0700 2008 3597625 12713 TongoRad 3 3598098 Yup, still not enough malt and hops to cover up the buttery slickness. I'm not questioning others tastes, I just don't think diacetyl laden beers are drinkable, just like I don't think phenolic laden beers are drinkable either. Tue Apr 15 18:02:16 -0700 2008 3597625 12014 LStaff 4 3598375 Just so we are all on the same page could you provide us with a few other examples of diacetyl laden beers and phenolic laden beers? Thanks Tue Apr 15 19:55:13 -0700 2008 3598098 26180 Chinon00 5 3599409 diacetyl laden beers=anything from shipyard, magic hat or middle ages. phenolic laden beers=hefeweizens and such Wed Apr 16 07:20:53 -0700 2008 3598375 156549 Calico Jack 6 3599709 There's probably a fine line that can be drawn somewhere differentiating from too much diacetyl or phenolic character, and the correct amount. Belgian abbey ales, for example, are known to be phenolic, and it's considered part of the profile. It's one of the things that makes those styles so recognizable. Diacetyl, too, can be part of the character of a beer, like Samuel Smith's. Wed Apr 16 08:40:58 -0700 2008 3599409 10809 Josh 7 3601012 What do diacetyl and phenolic taste like? Thanks Wed Apr 16 13:42:36 -0700 2008 3599709 26180 Chinon00 8 3601093 Diacetyl is commonly described as buttery. Butter-flavored popcorn, for example, uses diacetyl, and beers with a strong diacetyl component have a buttery quality to them. Phenolic flavors are typically described as "band aid", plastic, fruit flavors, or bubble gum. To be fair, you're kind of at the nexus of flavor and aroma at that point, as these are things more perceived via smell than taste, IMO. Wed Apr 16 13:56:21 -0700 2008 3601012 10809 Josh 9 3601231 Ok, now I know why I like for instance Bear Republic Racer 5; because it has that diacetyl thing working blended with the hops and grain. Good stuff. Thanks Wed Apr 16 14:22:27 -0700 2008 3601093 26180 Chinon00 10 3603384 If you're Racer 5 is a "D" bomb, then its either not fresh or being served from bad lines. Racer 5 should have a clean profile. Thu Apr 17 07:48:57 -0700 2008 3601231 12014 LStaff 11 3605585 I never said "D" bomb. I have described it as having among other things a buttered biscuitiness about it that counters the hops. I've had it about a dozen times in both bottles and draft. Thu Apr 17 17:26:20 -0700 2008 3603384 26180 Chinon00 11 3628195 Had Racer 5 again on draft from a two week old keg and it was clean. I liked it better in bottles I think (or just found it more interesting). Thanks Fri Apr 25 02:04:23 -0700 2008 3603384 26180 Chinon00 9 3603377 Actually fruit flavors, banana, and bubble gum come from esters. Phenolic flavors are cinnamon, clove, plastic, band aid, or smokiness. Not only does diacetyl give buttery flavor, but also caramel - which is appropriate in low amounts for certain styles. Diacetyl also lends a slick, cloying nature that sticks in the back of my throat. Thu Apr 17 07:47:18 -0700 2008 3601093 12014 LStaff 10 3603859 Yes, you're right. I messed up and lumped the estery aromas in with the phenolics. Thanks for the correction. Thu Apr 17 10:01:20 -0700 2008 3603377 10809 Josh 8 3617717 The active ingredient in some oral anesthetics such as Chloraseptic spray. If you have ever been around phenolic you know the smell; or if you have ever worked in electronics and cut or overheated old circuit board material. No wonder I don't care for that whang. Tue Apr 22 04:42:31 -0700 2008 3601012 137946 Scargod 2 3614401 I wouldn't say it was the worst I ever had but I don't like that Magic hat #9 Mon Apr 21 07:59:06 -0700 2008 3597235 103846 harpoonipa1967 2 3636676 Even MH Circus Boy? No way! Mon Apr 28 10:44:01 -0700 2008 3597235 142758 eightlegeddj 1 3597710 Miller Lite would be my "worst beer ever". I tastes like I am drinking salt water. I'll even drink Beast over it, although I like Pabst, so that might say something. OSH wasn't my fave in England, but I would order it from time to time. Tue Apr 15 15:54:03 -0700 2008 3595729 112545 foodieinlaw 2 3613292 God, Miller Lite! Sad to say, the first beer of my life was a Miller Lite. For a long time I figured beer was an 'acquired taste' or else I just didn't like it. Glad I finally tried some REAL beer. I love my daily liquid bread...what a tragedy was averted! Sun Apr 20 19:09:49 -0700 2008 3597710 160926 Kinnexa 2 3800383 Why did Miller Lite try to ape craft beers? It's not going to impress people who like good beer and their regular customers probably won't know the difference. Sat Jun 21 10:24:32 -0700 2008 3597710 12235 Doghouse Reilly 3 3804445 "Why did Miller Lite try to ape craft beers?" What are you referring to? I don't recall Miller making any reference to craft beers. But i am amused by the Budweiser ads where a female bartender is going on about the craft and care that goes in to producing that stuff, perhaps trying to prop up the crowd who likes their Bud but is getting crap about it from beer lovers who like craft beers. Not going to convince anyone with a beer palate that Bud is a "craft beer". Mon Jun 23 07:17:43 -0700 2008 3800383 16728 kenito799 4 3804588 Miller Lite Craft Collection- still in test markets, tho' withdrawn from one [a little town called San Diego- do they drink beer there?] and extented in some others- http://www.brewblog.com/brew/2007/12/miller-launchin.html http://www.channel3000.com/money/16634797/detail.html Mon Jun 23 07:56:04 -0700 2008 3804445 11059 JessKidden 4 3804655 I agree that Budweiser is bland stuff, essentially made for people who don't really like beer. However, I think that it would be incorrect to say there is no craft involved in producing the stuff; while most folks here define "craft" beer as small brewery stuff with (hopefully) more character, the fact remains that a great deal of craft, probably MORE, is absolutely required to produce the bland and flavorless lowest common denominator beers like Bud. Without all of the "in your face" flavors that can (and do) hide a multitude of sins in the brewing processes of many micro and pub brewers, the typical bland mass-market American lager ironically remains the hardest style to produce. There is not very much to hide behind in a product that is essentially lightly flavored seltzer. Mon Jun 23 08:16:02 -0700 2008 3804445 116047 The Professor 5 4888418 I honestly think Budweiser is the only DECENT domestic beer, for me coors light is the worst. at least you can taste Bud. My altime favorite would have to be Goose Island Bourbon barrel Stout. Fri Jul 24 16:11:39 -0700 2009 3804655 1096456 macabrebob 6 4889704 What's funny about this is I tried the new A-B "American Ale" last week. It actually has LESS taste than Bud. As I was tasting this for the first time, I find myself actually wondering, "How did they brew this as 'ale' yet eliminate all trace of hops?" It sells for a premium price. And you need a bottle opener. I have no idea who the market could possibly be for such a product. Sat Jul 25 09:52:53 -0700 2009 4888418 24421 Panini Guy 7 4889999 Dude stop the madness (or the just pure A-B hate). Bud American Ale is a solid beer with an unfortunately off finish. It does not have LESS taste than standard Bud. Is it Troeg's Hop Back? No, but all I ask is that we be fair. http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/29/43118/?ba=Chinon01 Thanks Sat Jul 25 12:38:56 -0700 2009 4889704 26180 Chinon00 8 4890368 a) I don't hate A-B - in fact it's my favorite of the big US brewers. b) I don't need beeradvocate to tell me what to like c) I owe American Ale an apology - turns out the liquid in question was Michelob Pale Ale. d) Other than getting the beer name wrong, all else still applies. Sat Jul 25 16:16:54 -0700 2009 4889999 24421 Panini Guy 9 4890693 Favorite, over Sam Adams? Really? Oh, it's not a "big" brewer, is it? Sat Jul 25 19:40:13 -0700 2009 4890368 137946 Scargod 10 4890746 I don't follow beer business financials and I really don't give a crap how many bottles SA sells, I don't consider SA a big brewer in the category of A-B/Mlller/Coors. I still consider Miller a US brewer and I still consider Coors a separate entity.. So my reference is those three. Split hairs if you really feel the need to argue that point. Sat Jul 25 20:05:34 -0700 2009 4890693 24421 Panini Guy 11 4890777 I'm not trying to split hairs at all. I don't know the numbers. All I see is Sam Adams everywhere. By my taste, nothing offered by the"big three" comes close. My favorite: Cream Stout. Do you also, with religious fervor, stand behind the big three auto makers, as well? Sat Jul 25 20:17:26 -0700 2009 4890746 137946 Scargod 12 4891355 Don't understand why you want ot have this argument, but my point of reference is that A-B/Coors/Miller produce something like 170 million barrels yearly. Boston Brewing does less than two. In comparison, that's not "big" so no, I don't include them in discussing "big" breweries - they're about the same size as Yuengling from what I understand. That's simply my criteria, feel free to use your own. FTR, when I lived in Boston, I drank Harpoon. And I drive a pre-GM Saab. Sun Jul 26 08:21:36 -0700 2009 4890777 24421 Panini Guy 7 4890270 Not only is BAA more flavorful than Budweiser, it sells for a very reasonable price compared to its competition. I think it's a great value. Sat Jul 25 15:23:08 -0700 2009 4889704 10998 Jim Dorsch 8 4926077 Sam Adams is still (barely) small enough to qualify for craft brewery status. Even Jim Koch admits that he's pushing the envelope, but that he still is in the craft brewer category. How can they be compared to miller, coors, and A-B when they are making beers like utopias, chocolate bock, imperial white, etc..... not quite the same thing Fri Aug 07 10:02:54 -0700 2009 4890270 264146 kubasd 9 4927237 And how this relate to my comment on Budweiser American Ale? Fri Aug 07 16:40:06 -0700 2009 4926077 10998 Jim Dorsch 8 4927882 I agree. I really like the Bud American Ale...it's definitely a well made beer and a good value. However, I like to pour it into a glass and stir some of the co2 out of it...it's really QUITE good with a bit less carbonation. Fri Aug 07 22:18:04 -0700 2009 4890270 116047 The Professor 1 3597819 other than the obvious mainstream swill, I would say Grolsch, or Gennesse Cream Ale. I love Old Speckled Hen Tue Apr 15 16:27:27 -0700 2008 3595729 19466 lyn 2 3598161 My OSH was not on tap, I also agree with the Sam Adans Cherry Wheat, not good.....and I do like most wheat beers Tue Apr 15 18:18:37 -0700 2008 3597819 182441 DapperDave 2 3599730 Love Old Speckeled Hen. But then I also like Gennessee. Worst beer, next to Schlitz, would probably be Golden Monkey. My mouth still hasn't forgiven me for that. If beer is supposed to have character, that beer would be Hitler. Wed Apr 16 08:47:03 -0700 2008 3597819 12359 monkeyrotica 3 3601297 Victory Golden Monkey? It's been a while but I remember it as a pretty solid tripel ale. Wed Apr 16 14:39:07 -0700 2008 3599730 84331 ultramagnetic 4 3605652 love Victory Golden Monkey- maybe it was spoiled? Thu Apr 17 17:53:53 -0700 2008 3601297 19466 lyn 5 3606431 If that's the problem, then the whole sixpack was spoiled. Imagine drinking a glass of sour bananas. Now imagine doing that with your head inside a monkey's butt. I should have payed attention to the monkey on the label; he looks like he's about to blow oats everywhere. Fri Apr 18 05:06:36 -0700 2008 3605652 12359 monkeyrotica 6 3606455 Do you like any other Tripels? Golden Monkey isn't a classic example but is vaguely like you describe- Bananas, spices, a hint of sourness. No monkey butt, though :) If I had to criticize it I'd say the alcohol is too hot and bitterness is too high, but it is definitely in the ballpark of where it is supposed to be (Hitler Stadium, maybe?), and works as an affordable version of the style. Fri Apr 18 05:17:36 -0700 2008 3606431 12713 TongoRad 7 3606601 I kinda like Chimay Blue. Does that count? It's fruity, but to me the fruitiness is "darker", like raisins, not "bright" like bananas, which to me tastes sharp, like my tongue is being stabbed by an angry monkey. But I'm not really that into Belgian style beers to begin with. I'm more into English bitters. Fri Apr 18 06:33:32 -0700 2008 3606455 12359 monkeyrotica 8 3607909 Chimay Blue is a Belgian Strong Dark Ale (to use beeradvocate.com's classification). Chimay White is a tripel--try that to see what a classic Belgian tripel is like. Another take on the style is La Fin du Monde by Unibroue (Quebec). I also find Golden Monkey to be too alcoholic, sweet, and hoppy to really fit the style well, but I don't loathe it to such an extreme degree! Fri Apr 18 12:32:28 -0700 2008 3606601 16728 kenito799 9 3607996 I'll give the Chimay White a try. Hopefully, it will contain less monkey. Fri Apr 18 12:53:33 -0700 2008 3607909 12359 monkeyrotica 9 3613974 Picked up a bottle of Chimay White at Whole Foods. Damn, this stuff 'spensive! I liked the low carbonation and the hoppiness was about right for my tastes (don't like the Triple XXX Hop Suicide Puckerbutt types of ales). Much more to my liking than the Golden Monkey stuff. I might actually order this with some mussels and frites. Mon Apr 21 05:27:23 -0700 2008 3607909 12359 monkeyrotica 10 3616100 I like both the Chimay White and the Golden Monkey. Sometimes a beer that doesn't taste good cold should be allowed to warm up. This just happened to me today with a Jamaican-style stout. Out of the fridge it was very bad, but at room temp it's delicious. Mon Apr 21 14:24:57 -0700 2008 3613974 10809 Josh 11 3623047 Yup my first sip of Russian River's Damnation was simplistic and a bit harsh... as it warmed up to the 60's it started to shine. Wed Apr 23 12:31:35 -0700 2008 3616100 42572 Eat_Nopal 8 3608543 If you're more into English bitter, I'd suggest other beers than the Abbey ales. I'd look for Grotten cave aged brown ale, or an Oud Bruin. They'll be more your cup of tea. Fri Apr 18 15:32:15 -0700 2008 3606601 10809 Josh 5 3617269 I find Golden Monkey to be close to undrinkable until it has at least a year of age on it... Mon Apr 21 20:37:40 -0700 2008 3605652 160201 ClockworkOrange 6 3617793 Interesting. So you'd recommend an older, more mature Monkey to nasty young brat Monkey? Tue Apr 22 05:27:18 -0700 2008 3617269 12359 monkeyrotica 7 3617972 Most definitely. Tue Apr 22 06:39:02 -0700 2008 3617793 160201 ClockworkOrange 4 3721303 It is a solid tripel. I suspect that the flavor this poster objects to might be the beer's spice (coriander), which is not subtle. Piraat - now there's a bad tripel. It's wretched. It tastes of alcohol, sugar, and coriander. Pretty vile stuff for my money. Mon May 26 10:46:33 -0700 2008 3601297 90936 Kenji 3 3675384 I'm with you. Not the worst beer ever (that would be Canadian Ace, which was only sold in half gallon jugs), but Golden Monkey is one beer I will not be trying again. Others on the list of no-gos: - Coors Light (obvious) as well as most other "local" lights (e.g. IC Light) - Carling Black Label (never had one that wasn't skunked) - Red White & Blue Sat May 10 16:56:10 -0700 2008 3599730 24421 Panini Guy 4 3741714 "Canadian Ace, which was only sold in half gallon jugs" And despite the name, brewed in new Jersey Mon Jun 02 10:39:03 -0700 2008 3675384 26666 FrankJBN 2 3603056 Gennie Cream Ale was my favorite cheap beer. It actually was creamy smooth, then our local supermarket stopped carrying it; thanks I'm told to the Bud Crud distributer. I disliked Korean beers, Hite and the other silver bullet type swill. Dumkeg's Beer Philosophy: Drinking lite beer is like making love with one's clothes on. Down to Costa Rica tomorrow to drink beer w/ my 25 yr old son (My wife is a great beer drinker too.) tomorrow! Thu Apr 17 06:16:49 -0700 2008 3597819 93538 Passadumkeg 3 3603163 Enjoy the trip, passa Thu Apr 17 06:48:56 -0700 2008 3603056 151072 currymouth 3 3617721 Lite beers are worthless. Like trying to make love but (not); just wasting your time and energy. Pearl, Keystone. Remember Jax? Tue Apr 22 04:46:13 -0700 2008 3603056 137946 Scargod 4 3632628 Buckhorn, was Texas' worst! Made Pearl look rich and creamy! Once bitten, twice shy. I'll abstain rather than drink lite beer! What is the German beer with the motto: Life's too short to drink cheap beer."? Sat Apr 26 17:57:56 -0700 2008 3617721 93538 Passadumkeg 1 3599776 The worst for me was Pearl Lite. Truth in advertising should have required removal of the middle word in their slogan "It's the water." Wed Apr 16 09:03:45 -0700 2008 3595729 106255 chazzerking 2 3599815 My worst was Iron City Light many years ago. It was not only water,but bad, tasteless water at that. Wed Apr 16 09:14:27 -0700 2008 3599776 41726 Sam at Novas 3 3696760 Um, wouldn't tasteless water be... water? Sat May 17 13:31:35 -0700 2008 3599815 12398 SuzyInChains 4 3717444 Water has a taste. It tastes like...water. Sat May 24 10:05:54 -0700 2008 3696760 90936 Kenji 5 3721205 Yeah, but bad water still tastes bad. Think standing water with bits of insects. (sorry) Mon May 26 09:58:37 -0700 2008 3717444 41726 Sam at Novas 6 3721277 Water flavored with the essence of mosquito larvae? I'd definitely pass on that. Mon May 26 10:34:16 -0700 2008 3721205 90936 Kenji 7 3725272 I think the euphemism is that it tastes like old dish water. Tue May 27 16:59:37 -0700 2008 3721277 93538 Passadumkeg 2 3626856 Oh yeah, Pearl; I think I was blocking out the memory of a can of that I had a few years ago, until this reminded me. That stuff is just vile. Thu Apr 24 13:58:09 -0700 2008 3599776 98500 Bat Guano 1 3600087 Don't recall the brand but I had a Russian beer once that I swear tasted like rusty water. Wed Apr 16 10:17:51 -0700 2008 3595729 77397 Eric in NJ 2 3732827 Moskovskia Zavod? Moscow Factory? In the 60's it was terrible! Thu May 29 19:21:37 -0700 2008 3600087 93538 Passadumkeg 1 3600097 Years ago at a brewpub in Albuquerque, I had a pint of a hefeweizen -- normally a style that I very much enjoy -- that had a flowery description that promised, among other notes, "a delicate hint of banana." Delicate hint, my pasty white hinder. I swear, this thing tasted like a beer smoothie. Wed Apr 16 10:18:52 -0700 2008 3595729 17548 BarmyFotheringayPhipps 1 3600172 Beer Works, in Boston (et al.), makes a Watermelon Ale which is positively vomit-inducing. Other than that, it's 100% Heineken: putrid, vile stuff. I wouldn't drink it for free. Wed Apr 16 10:39:31 -0700 2008 3595729 92744 invinotheresverde 2 3600231 Interesting. I had a watermelon wheat beer at 21st Amendment in San Francisco that was surprisingly good (though I thought it would be disgusting). Wed Apr 16 10:56:24 -0700 2008 3600172 10809 Josh 3 3600268 My husband enjoyed it, but it was a bad flavor combo for me. I'd probably dig a wheat a bit more. Wed Apr 16 11:06:51 -0700 2008 3600231 92744 invinotheresverde 3 4926123 was that the hell or high wata-melon at 21st amendment? cuz i've bought that in mass and loved it.... surprisingly so.... it was cool and refreshing! Fri Aug 07 10:13:58 -0700 2009 3600231 264146 kubasd 2 4883608 One of the biggest challenges in exploring craft beer is finding good fruit beers. Although they're far from my favorite style, I try to give each one a fair shake. The problem lies in the people who think you can make a beer tasty by adding artificial fruit flavoring to what began as a sub-par brew (usually a bad take on a wheat or lambic). I've not been lucky enough to try it, but as some people have replied, 21st Amendment Hell or High Watermelon Wheat is supposed to be pretty good. Cheers! Thu Jul 23 07:21:41 -0700 2009 3600172 1096054 jdkappel 3 4890703 RE, fruit beers: "I try to give each one a fair shake". Why? Supposedly, watermelon wheat is pretty good? "Cheers!" over something you haven't tried? Puzzled. Sat Jul 25 19:44:56 -0700 2009 4883608 137946 Scargod 3 4926127 and i just scrolled further and read this..... crap Fri Aug 07 10:14:47 -0700 2009 4883608 264146 kubasd 1 3600347 There used to be a little Brewpub in Northridge, CA. I can't remember the name of it now, it's long gone. The Sportsman? Probably not even close. Anyhow, we had a hefe there tat was more like a rotten banana milkshake. It just didn't have a little banana, it was infected and bad. The poor little slice of lemon they served with it (and one should NEVER serve lemon with hefe unless it's gone off) couldn't stand up in the face of the infection. it was so Awful, we went to BJ's brewery, where I washed it away with Tatonka Stout, which is OK. I have no problem with OSH, but I absolutely LOATHE the ultra-hopped, unbalanced beers so popular now. Wed Apr 16 11:22:20 -0700 2008 3595729 11201 Diana 1 3600635 Sam Adams Lite lager. A true disappointment, especially since they did such a nice job with their regular Boston Lager. I generally drink lite beer about 90% of the time I drink beer and this one doesn't live up to its hype. I'll stick to Amstel or Beck's lite. Wed Apr 16 12:22:41 -0700 2008 3595729 15817 ecustard 1 3600832 A tie between Newkie Brown and Heineken - only from the sinus-infection green bottle. Wed Apr 16 13:05:16 -0700 2008 3595729 126991 aburkavage 1 3601880 Nice topic by the way...I lived for a year in China and I have to say that Tsingtao was the best of a VERY bad bunch. Most beer in China tends to be around 3.0 vol., which means it tends to taste like bitter, beer flavoured seltzer. I think the reason for me despising Tsingtao so much is that I absolutely hated it, but then again a man (and woman) needs his beer. Wed Apr 16 17:31:02 -0700 2008 3595729 155180 magool27 1 3603046 Michelob Ultra. We had to leave unfinished most of a 12-pack at a tailgate, it was so bad. Mind you, at our tailgates, no beer is left behind. I've muscled down warm, stale, frat-room keg beer out of taps that have never been washed, but not this stuff. Thu Apr 17 06:09:17 -0700 2008 3595729 86408 healthyscratch 2 3631001 I don't get it. It's not like Ultra has a terible taste. It's so light you barely know you're drinking beer. You could drink warm keg beer but not this ice cold? Odd to say the least Fri Apr 25 20:33:30 -0700 2008 3603046 165800 jhopp217 3 3631358 Beck's Light is pretty much like drinking Club Soda no flavor at all. Sat Apr 26 05:18:54 -0700 2008 3631001 77397 Eric in NJ 3 3631655 Hey, what can I tell you. It was probably 5-6 years ago, and since I've never had it again, I couldn't tell you exactly why I thought it was so bad. I just know it was one of the only beers (and maybe THE only) I've never finished. That's noteworthy in my book. At our tailgates, a few drink ONLY Coors Light (again, what can I tell you), and I'll drink that towards the end when I want to sober up a bit... So I'm no stranger to almost-beer. Ultra was more like almost-not-beer. I'll put it this way, it reminded me the most of when I mistakenly tried a free sample of O'Douls. Sat Apr 26 09:07:24 -0700 2008 3631001 86408 healthyscratch 3 3675389 Why odd? You want a beer and you get an Ultra, it's not what you want. At all. Tastelessness in a beer is no a positive attribute to many folks. Sat May 10 16:57:55 -0700 2008 3631001 24421 Panini Guy 3 3804306 Try drinking your favorite Belgian trippel ... chased by a swig of Michelob Ultra. I was forced to do this in a Wine/Spirits class I took a few years back. I had drank Ultra before (on my own volition, but making sure it was thoroughly thorougly chilled). It wasn't until I drank Ultra back-to-back with a really good beer that I could fully appreciate its total crapulance. I've never been able to stomach it since without a gag reflex. Worse than a case of Steel Reserve. Worst. Beer. Ever. Mon Jun 23 06:32:45 -0700 2008 3631001 174370 SyntaxPC 1 3603083 Aside from the fore-mentioned lite psuedobeers, Maine breweries make a number of blueberry ales. Blueberries belong in pies, not beer. I don't care for any of them. Has Old Milwalkee (sp?) been mentioned? Keystone? Busch? Thu Apr 17 06:26:55 -0700 2008 3595729 93538 Passadumkeg 2 3603146 Ah, Old Swill. "Tastes as Great as its Name" was the catch phrase. WTF thinks Milwaukee has a great name? I wouldn't say it tasted bad; it didn't taste like much of anything. Thu Apr 17 06:45:21 -0700 2008 3603083 12359 monkeyrotica 2 3603496 "Old Milwalkee (sp?) been mentioned? Keystone? Busch?" In my recollection, these are all ordinary beers. I recall Keystone was the least palatable, but I doubt anyone should complain if handed a cold glass of Old Milwaukee or Busch. I think we should try to keep in mind the difference between the worst beers and the beers we dislike. I don't like Bud, never have - too foamy for me. Really, when you get right down to it, there's nothing wrong with it, I just don't like it and wouldn't drink it on a bet (well, not on a small bet). Thu Apr 17 08:14:49 -0700 2008 3603083 26666 FrankJBN 3 3606528 As I see it, the worst beer ever is one that makes the person gag or physically ill. Even on a bet they would not drink it and when they did order/buy it they could not finish it. For me that's the wheat beers. On the other hand a beer that is disliked is one that someone can drink w/out any adverse affects (maybe a grimace) . For me those are the real hoppy beers. The funny thing is that Beast, Natty Light,Bud all tasted alright in college, but the minute we turned 21 we moved on to Killians, Guiness, etc. and never went back. Fri Apr 18 06:04:35 -0700 2008 3603496 14495 viperlush 2 3606456 I was just going to add my .02 for Keystone and Busch. But it may have something to do with the fact that an old bf would wake up and drink this sh*t first thing in the am and it just made me sick. Cheap and disgusting-the 2 go hand in hand. These beers were my first experience with the stuff so I always thought I hated beer, until I discovered others. As Frank says, "worst beer ever" has lot to do with personal preferences and experiences. And I agree, they should leave any kind of sweet fruit out of beer. Ick. I will also throw in a vote for Heiniken-always seems skunky to me but again it is all personal preference. Fri Apr 18 05:18:20 -0700 2008 3603083 123913 chocchipcookie 2 3636945 Nomrsally I'd agree with you but Boston Beer Works (Right across from Fenway) had a Blueberry Ale with tons of actual blueberries floating in it that was incredible. They also had a pumpkin ale that was out of this world. Watermelon was a little too weird! Mon Apr 28 11:55:53 -0700 2008 3603083 165800 jhopp217 3 3637425 I remember that from Sunset Grill in Alston too. Dudes would drink them from yards glasses. Thanks for the memory. Mon Apr 28 13:39:24 -0700 2008 3636945 26180 Chinon00 3 4926166 yeah! that beer has the small wild blueberries floating in it, i was seriously impressed..... Fri Aug 07 10:25:45 -0700 2009 3636945 264146 kubasd 1 3603275 Almost any beer tastes good if you're thirsty enough, in my experience. That said, they'll be serving me warm Bud and skunked Pilsner Urquel in hell. Thu Apr 17 07:17:14 -0700 2008 3595729 100412 newhavener07 2 3604977 Skunked Plzen is a crime against humanity. Bud must be served ice cold, almost frozen, preferably in a can. But Corona, is really vile. I can't imagine Corona light... Thu Apr 17 14:16:18 -0700 2008 3603275 10491 MOREKASHA 1 3603467 Every time I've tasted it over the course of years, Sam Adams regular brew tastes very soapy to me, so of course I think it is awful. In my younger days, when the price of a six-pack was of utter importance, for a period of time we drank Knickerbocker beer. $1.60 a six=pack, guaranteed one skunk beer out of every six, sometimes a bonus skunk or two. i just had some OSH over the last couple of weeks. Beer looks better than it tastes. Not the best I've ever had, but far, far from the worst. Thu Apr 17 08:07:37 -0700 2008 3595729 26666 FrankJBN 1 3604496 1. Pete's Wicked Starwberry Ale--tastes like you are sucking on a Strawberry Shortcake doll (remember them?) all artificial, perfumey strawberry taste. 2. Blue Moon. It's not the style, I like witbiers...and this stuff might have once been made well...but the Coor's mass-produced stuff being forcibly pumped into every tap in every bar is horrible, grassy undrinkable nastiness. Thu Apr 17 12:26:46 -0700 2008 3595729 16728 kenito799 1 3607796 I like OSH, especially but not exclusively from the tap. The worst beer ever, was Dixie Chocolate. Gag-inducing, vile stuff. I'm sad we won't (likely) have real Dixie again, but good riddance to that terrible chocolate nonsense. Fri Apr 18 12:03:47 -0700 2008 3595729 20717 sailormouth 1 3609999 I'm not even going to mention any mass-market pseudo-pilsners; I hate them all. No, but here are two beers allegedly from small brewers that I loathed so thoroughly couldn't finish them: Samuel Adams Cherry Wheat and Naked Aspen Raspberry Wheat. The basic problem with both brews was the same: They did not taste of real fruit; they tasted as if their fruit flavoring derived from bad cough drops. They seemed designed to appeal to juvenile palates. Sat Apr 19 09:28:03 -0700 2008 3595729 90936 Kenji 1 3613094 My first reaction when I saw the post was to my fraternity days- and Piels and Piels Light would easily take that prize for me. Sun Apr 20 17:37:15 -0700 2008 3595729 23695 JCap 2 3617333 Easily the worst I've ever had was Josef Bierbitzch Golden Pilsner. Tasted like someone dropped a stick of butter into a beer. I bought a six pack and managed to coax my way through about half of one bottle before my gag reflex started to kick in and I ended up pouring that and the other 5 bottles down the drain. The only amusing quality about this beer is that it probably gets some interesting reactions from cocktail waitresses when someone places an order. "Hey, gimme a Bierbitzch!" Mon Apr 21 21:02:23 -0700 2008 3613094 185685 Whisper 3 3617593 Gotta say the worst I've ever had is Big Bear. Not sure if it is available in the USA, but up in Canada, especially Alberta, it seems to be in every trashy liquor store. The stuff is just plain nasty. Tue Apr 22 01:37:01 -0700 2008 3617333 22015 newJJD 3 4081783 That is Diacetyl. Either infection, or over-adjuncts. Sat Oct 04 13:11:30 -0700 2008 3617333 125482 BeeRich 1 3629774 A bottle of Stella Lager from Egypt... A friend who's father grew up in Egypt said "Stella, hah! That's an acquired taste, isn't it?" Maybe the "secret ingredient" is mummy dust! Fri Apr 25 12:24:16 -0700 2008 3595729 131933 MDBBQFiend 2 3675398 oh hell... even though I replied above you just reminded me of my single worst beer. But I cannot remember the name. It was at Ye Old Beer Can Museum and Bar in Northampton, MA back in the mid-80s. There was a "wildlife" series of beers from some brewery in like Zimbabwe or Botswana or something. Each can had a different animal - hippos, giraffe, wildebeest, etc. This beer when poured looked like it came from something that has a urinary tract infection - pale yellow and cloudy in a very unfortunate way. No head to speak of. We tried to drink it anyway, but it wouldn't go down. Sat May 10 17:02:54 -0700 2008 3629774 24421 Panini Guy 2 3846497 I was in Egypt for Desert Storm and we put Stella through the engine oil tester for airplanes - it had more metal than jet fuel!!! Yuck yuck yuck!! Mon Jul 07 15:38:53 -0700 2008 3629774 127269 Catfish47 1 3631014 The worst beer I ever had was in Boston at Cambrdige Commons. It literally came out of the tap like old motor oil. I drank it on a bet, and couldn't finish it. It had the consistency of corn syrup. UGH I wish I could remember the name of it. Beers I wont drink if they are the only thing there are - Bud & Bud Light - not sure why but the only beer around that gives me a hangover. Heineken - I hate the bitter taste. Oddly enough H-light is decent Amstel - see above Gennessee - so sweet and does dameg to your Intestinal system Saranac has one in it's sample pak that is absolutely horrible. Not sure which one. Newkie Brown - my vote for worst beer you can find everywhere Fri Apr 25 20:39:56 -0700 2008 3595729 165800 jhopp217 2 3631560 Last night I was at a local pub that has an amazing selection of great craft brew, you literally have to work to order a bad beer there. And lo and behold, someone came up and ordered a Bud *and* a Bud Light. Sat Apr 26 08:00:08 -0700 2008 3631014 10809 Josh 1 3632676 We returned from Costa Rica a couple of hours and we have a new worst beer: Rock Lite Lemon.I got caught in a bait and switch. We were too tired to drive down the mountain side to get beer at the supermarket, so I popped into a local dive bar, and the kid behind the bar said that the only brand he had was the barely drinkable Rock Ice. When I got back to the lodging, I pulled the six pack out of the bag and it was Rock Ice Lemon. My wife (a great beer drinker) wouldn't drink it, finished one can and threw the rest into the 4WD to give to our son and He wouldn't take it (I raise 'em right.)! I finally left it behind at the last place we stayed. Imagine Coors Lite w/ a packet of Wyler's lemonade mixed in. Back in Portland we picked up some Longfellow and Joshua Chamberlain Ales; ah, Maine, the way beer life should be! Sat Apr 26 18:16:29 -0700 2008 3595729 93538 Passadumkeg 2 4675557 I concur with your summary of the Costa Rican Lemon "beer" product. In 1977, 8 serious beer drinkers used a case of Red, White, and Blue beer for a seat after passing around one can of the vile stuff. We decided, without discussion, that we'd rather be thirsty on a hot summer night than open a second can. Mon May 11 21:17:42 -0700 2009 3632676 11931 Phood 3 4675753 I'll be subjected to Korean beer in a month. I think I'll switch to So Ju, which is pretty bad in its own right. My son who lives there has learned to home brew. Tue May 12 01:23:50 -0700 2009 4675557 93538 Passadumkeg 1 3633588 piels light is the worst beer ever!!!! Sun Apr 27 08:25:25 -0700 2008 3595729 61002 im hungry 1 3635814 If I'm geting off-topic, just shoot me. I subscribe to a "Beer of the Month Club", http://www.greatclubs.com/beerofthemonthclub/. I am because it was a Christmas gift. It seems to me that a lot of these beers are inferior or just plain mediocre. I think one out of 12 I am familiar with (not that I am a big beer expert). Have others had this negative experience? Are there good beer clubs? Mon Apr 28 07:08:06 -0700 2008 3595729 137946 Scargod 2 3703646 Never tried a club, but my first thought is that these beers are in the club for publicity? Total guess on my part. Mon May 19 20:56:27 -0700 2008 3635814 190605 Throckmorton 1 3636712 Funny you should ask about the Worst Beer Ever. Saturday was the World Beer Festival here in Raleigh. A friend of mine walked up to me and handed me his glass and said, "Lemon Grass Wheat." I'd tried it years before and knew what he was thinking. My response was simply, "Outer Banks Brewing Company?" He said yes. I replied, "tastes like a citronella candle, doesn't it?" "Yup," he said. I love wheat beers. When it's 95 degrees out, I like something a little lighter. In theory, it sounds good. But seriously, y'all, this tastes like a mosquito candle. Other than that, I'm generally not a fan of beer in green glass bottles. Can't explain it, I'm just not. And I, too, am morally opposed to light beers. It's like decaf. Mon Apr 28 10:54:42 -0700 2008 3595729 142758 eightlegeddj 2 3636846 Wow. 90 responses and nobody's mentioned Yeungling. Even for a cheap-just-to-get-drunk beer, I'll still take Miller High Life. At least that tastes like nothing instead of wide-open-butt. Mon Apr 28 11:33:14 -0700 2008 3636712 12359 monkeyrotica 3 3636884 Olympia gets my vote as well as HAMM and i would also throq in natural light...although i did drink a fair amount in college. Mon Apr 28 11:42:26 -0700 2008 3636846 107339 cdog 3 3698621 Have to disagree with ya monkey! I love Yeungling and pick it up whenever I'm traveling through their limited distribution area. Sun May 18 12:04:07 -0700 2008 3636846 190605 Throckmorton 4 3698668 Yuengling's distribution has expanded (slowly) in recent years, thanks to their two new breweries (built a new one outside of Pottsville, and bought an old Schlitz>Stroh facility in Florida when the latter threw in the towel in the late 90's) to the point where they're now in the entire East Coast, save for New England ....oh, and some unnamed "grey" state between SC and FL -g-. http://www.yuengling.com/distrib.htm Still a "regional" brewer, but that's a pretty populous chunk of the US and they're in the top 5 of US brewers nowadays (neck and neck with Boston [Samuel Adams] Beer Co. for the last few years)- not too long ago I recall when they weren't even in the top 10 of breweries in Pennsylvania. Sun May 18 12:24:35 -0700 2008 3698621 11059 JessKidden 5 3703594 Do you like Yuengling Jess? I think it's a very good beer. I'm pretty sure the first time I had it was in SC a couple years ago when we were vacationing in the outer banks. Mon May 19 20:36:17 -0700 2008 3698668 190605 Throckmorton 6 3725309 Funny as a young child not far from Pottsville, I remember my dad and uncles refer to Yuengling as a coal miner's beer (Similar aspersion upon Rolling Rock too.), in college it had no panache, we thought Henniken was "cool", but today Yuengling is much sought after outside its home range. Funny how beers come and go and people talk of Michelangelo. T.S. Tue May 27 17:11:50 -0700 2008 3703594 93538 Passadumkeg 7 3729637 Yuengling and Greenies are clear examples of the "a prophet is without honor in his own country" notion. I can remember when Coors was only available in about 4 states, and friends would drive station wagons to CO or KS to bring back 20-30 cases of the stuff. Couldn't understand it then, still can't.We used to drink Rollling Rock( the aforementioned Greenies) in HS because a case cost $3.95, b ut still like the stuff okay, and have been sorry that they were bought out as it doesn't taste the same. Yuengling thte same, except it still tastes the same and I've always liked it. Wed May 28 21:59:19 -0700 2008 3725309 106255 chazzerking 8 3732809 Funny again, I too,in the 60's, brought cases of Coors back from visiting my bro in New Mexico to the Lehigh Valley, thinking I was cool. I now drink an enjoy Yuengling when I go home, more like a tourist, and wonder what all the fuss is about. I still have a fond memory of a headache for Gibbon's Ale, which may rank among the worst (but cheapest) beer ever. Thu May 29 19:14:41 -0700 2008 3729637 93538 Passadumkeg 3 3724677 Yeungling in a bottle is drinkable. YL from tap is, for some reason, one of the most disgusting things I have ever tasted. Gubernija Grand 9.5 (not sure if it even passes for beer) has to be the worst "beer" on the planet. Tue May 27 13:55:33 -0700 2008 3636846 123423 bosun 4 3724860 I'm not going to tell you that the product bottled doesn't often taste different from the same product on tap but I'm finding it hard to buy that the difference is "drinkable" versus "most disgusting things I have ever tasted". Hyperbole IMHO. Tue May 27 14:50:15 -0700 2008 3724677 26180 Chinon00 5 3725163 "Hyperbole"? In a thread entitled "Worst Beer Ever"? I'm shocked! -g- (Not to mention the fact that some of the nominees are among the best selling beer brands in the US. Granted, that doesn't make them good -I certainly don't drink most of 'em- but it sure implies they might not be the "Worst Ever".) Tue May 27 16:29:02 -0700 2008 3724860 11059 JessKidden 5 3726594 Well, I have drank it from the bottle, and it was drinkable. I have had it on tap, at several different places, and it tasted like snot. It was disgusting - on more then one occasion. Wed May 28 06:53:08 -0700 2008 3724860 123423 bosun 6 3726699 Could you be a little more specific in what exactly they both taste like to you using some beer terminology? (i.e. bitter, bland, malty, grainy, yeasty . . .) Thanks Wed May 28 07:26:58 -0700 2008 3726594 26180 Chinon00 7 3726902 I wouldn't say that the tap YL had a bacterial taste, it was slightly salty and yeasty. There was something else in the flavor that I can't quite describe. The bottled YL, to me, is sweet, clean, and sort of fruity. Wed May 28 08:18:46 -0700 2008 3726699 123423 bosun 8 3731917 Sounds to me like you're experiencing poorly maintained tap lines, not a flawed beer. Thu May 29 14:00:55 -0700 2008 3726902 10809 Josh 1 3637945 2 words...MILLER CHILL.....uuuuhhhh!!! Mon Apr 28 16:07:22 -0700 2008 3595729 168280 vino5150 2 3703598 Haven't tried this yet. Maybe I'll give it a whirl when I'm on vaca next week. In Chicago, there was a "retro" trend where a lot of the old sytle beers (Old Style, Hamms, PBR, etc) were the in thing in Chicago bars. I'm not defending the taste, just that they were in style for awhile... not sure anymore. Mon May 19 20:38:24 -0700 2008 3637945 190605 Throckmorton 3 3704156 I WISH I could get Old Style here! Have to make due with PBR, Miller High Life, and Gennesee for my I-just-want-to-get-drunk-on-the-cheap beers. I have a hard enough time finding National Bohemian. Can't wait to try the new Schlitz in bottles. Tue May 20 06:15:33 -0700 2008 3703598 12359 monkeyrotica 4 5061463 Regarding worst beer: SA Triple bock. But like it was mentioned before here, I did not really drink it like a cognac. I wanted it to be something it wasn't. Thick, sweet, flavors that were unpleasant was my impression. Throckmorton, you still can get a lot of classic American brews in Chicago, just had a draft $1.25 Blatz (bland but fine) in one bar last night, before heading to the map room for an Orval on tap. Total $7.25 + $2. tip Sun Sep 27 07:26:18 -0700 2009 3704156 1092732 Alan N 1 3637947 Just thought of another....Shiner Bock...forced to drink it becuase it is the thing to drink in Texas Mon Apr 28 16:08:16 -0700 2008 3595729 168280 vino5150 2 3703602 Not a huge fan, but I wouldn't classify it as bad. Mon May 19 20:39:14 -0700 2008 3637947 190605 Throckmorton 2 3732840 Shiner Bock sure as hell beats Bud and its Texas German named ilk. Thu May 29 19:27:28 -0700 2008 3637947 93538 Passadumkeg 1 3638488 How about the Budweiser and Clamato. Wow this was pretty gross. http://nyctastes.blogspot.com/2007/11/which-would-you-eat.html Mon Apr 28 19:28:52 -0700 2008 3595729 11223 roze 2 3639126 I saw it...then saw the early morning peeps buying it at 8 AM...not a pretty site Tue Apr 29 06:07:03 -0700 2008 3638488 168280 vino5150 3 3641132 I can only imagine... Tue Apr 29 15:35:54 -0700 2008 3639126 11223 roze 2 3639271 Alright, I have to come to the defense of cheladas. The idea is pretty nasty, but with some lime, I like them. Kinda remind me of a watered-down shandy. Tue Apr 29 07:10:04 -0700 2008 3638488 12359 monkeyrotica 3 3642522 i can do 1 after mowing the lawn on a hot summer day, but to drink multiples is tough. It's like drinking a bag of wet Tostidas with lime flavoring. Wed Apr 30 06:30:09 -0700 2008 3639271 168280 vino5150 4 3643176 That still sounds better than Yeungling. Wed Apr 30 09:45:17 -0700 2008 3642522 12359 monkeyrotica 5 3703608 Have to agree on the name. Sounds like an Asian beer. But I still defend the taste. Mon May 19 20:40:31 -0700 2008 3643176 190605 Throckmorton 3 3643043 Not for me. I find tomato juice in any form pretty tough to stomach. Wed Apr 30 09:05:35 -0700 2008 3639271 10809 Josh 3 3680155 Summertime bloody beers are pretty good to me. I've done them several different ways; the true Michelada, with tomato juice, clam juice and lime, with just tomato juice and with tomato(or V8 which is better) and a little bit of Gates' BBQ sauce, for a BBQ(bloody beer 'que) which is pretty good on a hot day with some ribs or a burger. Mon May 12 13:59:45 -0700 2008 3639271 106255 chazzerking 1 3683186 Worst beer that thinks it's a good beer: Summer Honey (made by a great local brewery called Big Sky -- I love most of their stuff) Worst beer that thinks it's the definition of beer: Budweiser Worst beer that has no pretensions at all: Mickey's Tue May 13 11:45:44 -0700 2008 3595729 189827 missoulagrace 2 3683314 Are we making a distinction between beer and malt liquor? Mickeys gets the job done, but it's nowhere near as nasty tasting as Schlitz, Colt 45, or Old English 800. Tue May 13 12:14:52 -0700 2008 3683186 12359 monkeyrotica 3 3683392 ew, Olde English. Does that even come in a bottle smaller than a "40"? Ok, you're right though... Mickey's is out-of-the-category. I hereby replace it with Keystone Light. A side note: Having participated in several (admittedly late-night) blind taste tests, Hamms beats Pabst Blue Ribbon every time. Tue May 13 12:34:07 -0700 2008 3683314 189827 missoulagrace 4 3686103 Olde English can be found in 24 oz. cans. Wed May 14 09:29:50 -0700 2008 3683392 90936 Kenji 5 3686744 Why would anyone want to? I mean, if the whole point is just to get stinko, wouldn't one opt for the forty? I suppose there are some small-frame connoiseurs who only want to get partly blitzed. Wed May 14 12:03:39 -0700 2008 3686103 12359 monkeyrotica 3 3703609 Have to agree with you there Monkey. I like Mickey's OK, but the rest are quite nasty. Mon May 19 20:41:37 -0700 2008 3683314 190605 Throckmorton 3 3741803 Hahahah. All crap my friends and I drank in high school in 40 form. Old English was known as "Shakespeare." I second the Keystone Light and match it with Natural "Natty" Ice. $5.99 a 12 pack. Someone mentioned Grolsch above... That stuff (out of the mini keg) is absolutely fantastic with Indian food. Mon Jun 02 11:00:13 -0700 2008 3683314 43515 adrienne156 1 3698603 DapperDave... was this out of the bottle? There is a possiblity that the beer may have been bad. Old Speckled Hen comes in a clear bottle, so sunlight can easily get to the beer. Was it skunky? If it was, don't blame the beer, blame the folks that stored it improperly. Gotta keep it out of the light. I saw someone mentioned Yeungling. I personally love the stuff. For inexpensive beer, its damn good. I'd put it against a lot of microbrews. We always drink it on vacation when we are driving through to FL. It's not distrbuted throughout the US... only near PA. As for me, I can't stand Old Milwaukee. Hated it in college... hate it more as an adult. In second place is a batch of homebrew that I made back in 2003. It was a hefewiezen with the aftertaste of burnt rubber. I couldn't handle throwing out 5 gallons of beer, so I doused the stuff in lemon and chilled it to almost the freezing point to get through it. Only bad batch I've ever made. Sun May 18 11:58:18 -0700 2008 3595729 190605 Throckmorton 1 3698823 Miller Chill... there was a guy trying to give away six cases of it on Craigslist here. I don't know if he was ever successful... Orval - I was trying to build a collection of the duckpin shaped bottles for homebrewing. No way I could have ever gagged through enough of it. Stony's - tasted salty to me. Any Rauchbier. Just can't develop a taste for it. Nope... Sun May 18 13:34:22 -0700 2008 3595729 18981 Jimmy Buffet 2 3699248 Rauchbiers are an acquired taste that I acquired first sip. Same goes for Orval. Now for my worst The last bottle of Newcastle Brown I ever purchased at a bar was so skunked and so old and so nasty that I will now only drink it on tap And Busch lite. I've discoverd that 6 bottles in a large pitcher with 1 Bigfoot is a nice malty, hoppy lite beer. If only some one would make a beer like that Sun May 18 16:56:15 -0700 2008 3698823 63643 niquejim 3 3703613 Newcastle is another beer, along with Old Speckled Hen, that comes in a clear bottle. I don't know why these brewers put bottled beer in CLEAR bottles. The light gets to them and makes them skunky. I'm shocked that I haven't come across a skunky Corona. Mon May 19 20:43:24 -0700 2008 3699248 190605 Throckmorton 4 3745824 Clear bottle does not automatically guarantee "skunky". I'm told by a brewmaster friend that if the beer is brewed with isomerised hop extract, it is practically immune to the effects of light. That's how they get away with putting the stuff in clear bottles with no ill effect. Tue Jun 03 12:14:57 -0700 2008 3703613 116047 The Professor 5 3819987 Interesting... never heard of that before. Fri Jun 27 13:13:20 -0700 2008 3745824 190605 Throckmorton 5 4081793 Iso hop extract does not avoid sunkiness. I am a brewer. They package NCA in clear bottles specifically to get skunkiness. Some breweries that package in clear and green bottles (bad for skunkiness), apply light to get that flavour. Some people think that is what good beer tastes like. NCA was originally a mistake by a new brewer, and they then tried to package with brown glass and create a real long term product, but sales went down. A real brewing industry story. Sat Oct 04 13:14:22 -0700 2008 3745824 125482 BeeRich 6 4085468 I'll have to disagree about the ISO hops...maybe not all ISO hops offer this protection, but light stable ISO hops are and have been used by brewers worldwide. It may not totally eliminate the problem, but it does minimize it to a very high degree. There are even ISO and other light stable hop products available now that for the first time impart hop aroma and flavor characteristics (previously ISO hops provided only bitterness). You're right that some people actually like a bit of that particular "light struck" flavor in their beer (although I don't) . But it's also true that some folks do mistake the result of certain late-hopping procedures as skunkiness. Everyone's taste perception is different. If it is to one's liking, it is not a defect. No right or wrong anyway when it comes to taste buds...it's all just a matter of preference in the end. The term "skunky" is often misapplied. I have often heard people refer to the intense hop oil profile of Ballantine Ale (the pre 1980's version) as "skunky", which it most certainly was not. Mon Oct 06 11:00:39 -0700 2008 4081793 116047 The Professor 3 3703622 I actually like Busch Lite. I drank it all through college in the late 80's early 90's and hated it. An uncle reintroduced me and I was surprised how much I didn't hate it anymore. Believe it or not, Consumer Reports rated it as a best buy. It's actually quite good cold and carbonated... unlike the warm flat stuff I drank at most keggers. Like it better than Miller Lite of Bud Lite. Mon May 19 20:46:40 -0700 2008 3699248 190605 Throckmorton 2 3935487 Orval is one of my favorites! Except for the price but I still enjoy it. Wed Aug 06 12:45:06 -0700 2008 3698823 10864 sel 1 3706800 Quite a lively thread! I agree, there should be a distinction between the worst beer and beer which simply has no taste. I've had my share of cheap American suds, but being in Canada am not totally abreast of current brands, so a couple of questions; Panini Guy mentions "Red, White, and Blue". I last saw this (and it still makes the beer drinking stories once in a while) in upstate NY for 99c a six pack about 28 years ago. It was mysteriously on sale, go figure, and was never to be seen again. Does somebody still brew it? BTW, Panini Guy, Black Label does indeed taste pretty bad. Another is the no-name, white canned generic "BEER" which used to be sold in price chopper or grand union - do they still sell this somewhere in the US? Both were like making love in a canoe: pretty damned close to water. Finally one of my worst beers is an import from England called St. Peters Organic Ale. It comes in a medicine-looking, green bottle (which should have tipped me off). Anyone tried this? Here's a pict http://www.stpetersbrewery.co.uk/store/prodtype.asp?s=oekmcf55233&strParents=69&CAT_ID=75&numRecordPosition=1 Tue May 20 18:34:04 -0700 2008 3595729 176627 porker 2 3706933 I've had it and it wasn't particularly memorable but I wouldn't call it the WORST beer I've ever had, not in a million years. What was wrong with it to you? And what other British ales do you drink? My worst (and thankfully it is retired) was Dixie White Moose. My recollection is of artificial white chocolate flavor. Just awful. Thanks Tue May 20 19:26:49 -0700 2008 3706800 26180 Chinon00 3 3707857 The tip off should have been that there are no moose in Dixie. Would you drink something called Desert Beaver Ale or Swamp Penguin Lager? I'm not even going to get started on the fact that moose aren't white. So many things wrong with that. Wed May 21 07:12:14 -0700 2008 3706933 12359 monkeyrotica 2 3846512 I think RWB is out of commission. They were big in Wisconsin during my college days. Point was BAAAAD!!! Mon Jul 07 15:42:34 -0700 2008 3706800 127269 Catfish47 1 3710966 i will drink and appreciate all types of libations for what they are, but that being said.........sam adams tripple bock! 18% alc in a 9oz bottle...... start with some very cheap red wine. uncork it and let it stew in the sun for a few days. then mix in some burnt coffee. chill. serve. cheers! Thu May 22 05:32:15 -0700 2008 3595729 193882 emdeef_notsuoh 1 3714228 Magic Hat Kucky Kat is horrible--like licking an ashtray. I like bitterness, I like hops...but I don't like chewing burnt hop ash. Fri May 23 06:11:43 -0700 2008 3595729 16728 kenito799 1 3716056 Kennebunkport, aka Sea Dog, blueberry wheat ale. It's really wretched stuff I have been tricked into tasting not once but twice. I also find Heineken to have an off taste I dislike. Fri May 23 15:40:04 -0700 2008 3595729 96678 Foodnerds 1 3731399 Wow. When I saw the topic I figured this would be a pretty wacky place. It is though, in the end, a rather pointless argument since one man's elixer is another man's poison. Hell ...there are people that actually LIKE soda pop beers like Budweiser, Ultra and other flavorless brews of that sort. Some of the "most despised" listed in this thread are my very favorites. Having a personal "worst" beer certainly doesn't make it a "bad" beer though. To prove that point, topping MY list of despised beers would be almost anything coming out of Belgium...which are very, very popular, so there you go...What do I know? I guess I appreciate the craft of making the stuff and will taste one from time to time (since tastes do change) but as of last week anyway, it is still bile. As far as Old Speckled Hen goes, it is actually a fave of mine, as long as it's dispensed properly and without a lot of fizz. With very little carbonation and not served at a frozen temperatures, it's really good. Fizzy and cold, yes...it sucks. Thu May 29 11:48:24 -0700 2008 3595729 116047 The Professor 2 4022727 Same here. Love Old Speckled Hen, but hate Yeungling. Go figger. Wed Sep 10 05:29:33 -0700 2008 3731399 12359 monkeyrotica 1 3732852 Close your eyes and imagine the near future; an icy cold Walmart Beer, perfect w/ frozen corn dogs. Thu May 29 19:31:40 -0700 2008 3595729 93538 Passadumkeg 2 3733092 WORST?? Old Milwaukee, Hamms, Olympia. Unless you're already really loaded. Thu May 29 21:28:26 -0700 2008 3732852 189528 Whosyerkitty 3 3736015 Bland, but I don't know about worst. Just because they are inexpensive? Just because they are made by big breweries? The mentioned brews are certainly beers without any distinction, but hardly the worst. "Worst", to me, would indicate bad off flavors, crappy balance, and any one of a number of off flavors (things that, sadly, you are more likely to find these days in the avalanche of small brewery products...and please, before I get flamed, yes, there are many notable exceptions among a few very fine micros). Beers like Old Milwaukee, Hamms, Olympia and other of that ilk are simply beers that don't taste like ANYTHING. In a blind tasting, I would venture a guess that you couldn't tell the difference between any of the above referenced beers and Bud, Miller, and the like. They are cleanly brewed. They just basically have no flavor profile. It has become very fashionable to "hate" certain beers simply based on the fact that they are an inexpensive or a mega brewery product. Truth is, in the category of bland American Lager/Pilsners, they are basically all the same. The ones that don't get mega budgets for hard sell advertising selling an "image" rather than beer are cheaper mainly for that reason. Fri May 30 17:51:50 -0700 2008 3733092 116047 The Professor 4 3742944 I think it's a little too easy to take the position that people hate on macrobrew because it's fashionable to do so. It's a flavorless product. Viewing the desire for flavor as trendy seems strange to me. Mon Jun 02 16:13:36 -0700 2008 3736015 10809 Josh 5 3745427 Good point, but that's not what I said. Hell...I am all for flavor and good flavor is no fad...my main beers 40 years ago during my college days were a bock beer and an 80IBU IPA (interestingly, both megabrewery products). Yes, most macro brew is by and large all the same, but still, within the macro category there are plenty of good beers with flavor, and flavorful beers with balance. The point I was making was that lots of times people (especially old farts my own age) seemed to hate on a beer simply because it was a lesser known local brand. These days there is no doubt whatsoever that many people hate on macro beers just because they are that. There are lots of beers out there...micro, macro, and mega... with lots of flavor. But lots of flavor without the neccesary balance and finesse is far worse to me than a macro that may be too "normal" for some folks, Tue Jun 03 10:54:12 -0700 2008 3742944 116047 The Professor 6 3745884 Which macros would you categorize as good beers with flavor and balance? Are you including Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada, and Guinness in the macro category? I do find that, like spiciness in food, the perception of balance and finesse is really relative. If you're more used to drinking highly hopped beer, then your sense of how much sweetness is appropriate with those bitter flavors is going to be different than someone who doesn't care for hops. Tue Jun 03 12:27:25 -0700 2008 3745427 10809 Josh 4 3809943 "In a blind tasting...etc..." Funnily enough, a bunch of friends a number of years ago did just that-- blind taste tested PBR vs. Hamms. The theory was that PBR (which was the "cool" cheap beer among many hip types at the time) was all reputation and no reality. The result? Hamms, definitively. 12 out of 13 people who took the blind test agreed. I can't explain it. Neitehr am I arguing that either is a great beer --I'm an IPA or pale ale drinker, myself-- but it has been demonstrated that there IS a difference among them :-) Oh, and I'll take ANY of those cheapos (especially on river trips etc) before a Bud. For some reason, Bud smells and tastes like a bad college drinker's tomorrow morning's beer breath, from the first sip. Tue Jun 24 13:40:47 -0700 2008 3736015 189827 missoulagrace 1 3733102 Oh that's an easy one for me - Gluek Honey Bock (in cans!). http://www.coldspringbrewery.com/bmb-c-ghb.lasso Thu May 29 21:32:16 -0700 2008 3595729 67548 azhotdish 1 3738092 The new Narragansett. Horrible! Sat May 31 17:18:48 -0700 2008 3595729 187645 Td61 2 4129336 OMG!!! The "Save the Bay Beer" is back? The previous incarnation of this brand was one of the worst ever!! And, let we forget....Haffenreffer Private Stock aka "green death." Sat Oct 25 22:27:08 -0700 2008 3738092 226942 al b. darned 1 3741329 I've drank alot of diiferent beer in my days, good, bad and indifferent. When thinking of the worst beer ever, the only one that comes to mind is Iron City. And any fruit flavored beer Mon Jun 02 09:01:08 -0700 2008 3595729 186590 Chefmonty 2 3741415 There are plenty of atrocious fruit-flavored beers. But what about authentic lambics? What about Ommegang Three Philosophers? What about Dogfish Head Aprihop? In other words, there are plenty of great fruit beers as well. Mon Jun 02 09:23:23 -0700 2008 3741329 90936 Kenji 3 3741664 Good point. I guess the no fruit in beer is more of a personal preference. I do not find Lambrics to be bad tasting, it is just, if I'm in the mood for a good Belgium, I'm having St Barnarbus 12, a Maredsous 8 or a Chimay. I never understood the trend in the U.S to produce fruit flavored wheat beers. To me there is nothing like a good Heffe-Weisse, and it doesn't need to be masked with fruit flavors. For those who don't care for Heffe-Weisse, try the original, Scheinder-Weisse from Munich. My all time favorite Mon Jun 02 10:28:09 -0700 2008 3741415 186590 Chefmonty 4 3741981 I go for dunkelweizens or, better yet, dunkelweizenbocks myself. I suspect that the way for all the bad fruit wheat beers was paved by the longer-standing trends of insipid pseudo-pilsners and wine coolers. There's an infantilism of the palate which tolerates either blandness - or Kool-Aid-types of "fruity" flavors. Mon Jun 02 11:42:37 -0700 2008 3741664 90936 Kenji 5 3742422 M opinion for Weizenbock is Aventinus, made by the same brewery as Schneider-Weisse Mon Jun 02 13:40:36 -0700 2008 3741981 186590 Chefmonty 6 3744849 Aventinus is a beautiful beer. I'm also very fond of Victory's Moonglow Weizenbock. It's lighter-colored than Aventinus, sort of orange-red, and full of fruity, spicy tastes. It's a strong brew without a trace of the high ABV on the palate. Tue Jun 03 08:51:42 -0700 2008 3742422 90936 Kenji 4 3742950 Sometimes fruit can be used to complement the flavor of a beer. It's not always for masking. Try Cantillon Lou Pepe Kriek, and you'll see how good fruit beers can be. Mon Jun 02 16:16:42 -0700 2008 3741664 10809 Josh 2 3741743 We made a movie right out of high school - a monster movie. To illustrate just what an awful being the monster was we showed him not only drinking Iron City, but enjoying it. That's a bad monster. Mon Jun 02 10:45:38 -0700 2008 3741329 26666 FrankJBN 2 3741832 I had my share or "Arn" (as it was often called) in the past thanks to its price...not a beer of distinction perhaps but certainly not the worst I've had. That said, let me just play devil's advocate for a moment; just wondering...exactly what was it you disliked about Iron City? It certainly was always a cleanly produced product. Did your distaste for it have to do with a "blandness" factor? It still tasted better to me than a lot of other American lagers both big and small. Granted, it was always pretty "standard" stuff...no better, but certainly no worse than other beers in its category. In canvassing beer drinkers over the years an interesting pattern has emerged, especially with people talking about beers they encountered in their college years...mainly that much of the time there is a definite bias against whatever the "local" beer of the area was, usually if only for the fact that the "local" beers usually had no cache or image marketing. Mon Jun 02 11:06:40 -0700 2008 3741329 116047 The Professor 3 3741961 For me, I would have drunk iron City in the early 70's, when the water sources arouns Pittsburgh were horrifically polluted. I think that had something to do with an unpleasant finish or aftertaste. Oddly enough, from what I read, Philadelphia beer popularity is driven by local college students drinking local beers, Rolling Rock & Yuengling.. Mon Jun 02 11:36:20 -0700 2008 3741832 26666 FrankJBN 3 3741964 When traveling, I always try the local fare. I am from eastern PA and on a resent trip to Pitteburgh, Iron City was being served on tap at the Hotel I stayed at, so I gave it another try and I have to tell you, I think it just has a awful taste. I drink my share of American lagers, but there is just something about Iron City that I can't get past. And that is from a guy who has drank more then his share of Schmidts Mon Jun 02 11:37:24 -0700 2008 3741832 186590 Chefmonty 3 3744179 In college (near Philly) we drank National Bohemian (Natty Boh) from 16 oz returnable bottles. A local brew. Even then we knew it was BAD, not because our eyes weren't glazed over by excessive national marketing, but because it was cheap, bad, get drunk for the fewest $$$ BAD. We also drank shots of Cuervo Gold. To this day just the memory of the smell of either of these products makes me retch. Good times! Tue Jun 03 05:14:31 -0700 2008 3741832 16728 kenito799 4 3744574 "it was cheap, bad, get drunk for the fewest $$$ BAD. We also drank shots of Cuervo Gold" Why in the world would you pay the extra money for gold tequila - not to mention imported beer from Baltimore? TTBOMK, Natty Boh has never been considered a Philly local beer. Tue Jun 03 07:42:11 -0700 2008 3744179 26666 FrankJBN 5 3745561 <<Natty Boh has never been considered a Philly local beer>> And until reading the comments here, I never thought it was considered to be a particularly heinous beer either. Cheap, yes. Distinctive? Hell no. But again, no better or worse than dozens of others both cheaper and more expensive, They all taste practically the same. Tue Jun 03 11:20:43 -0700 2008 3744574 116047 The Professor 5 3792243 ah, we were young and stupid...gold tequila is artificially colored, heinous stuff, no matter what the price is. I did not know Natty Boh was from out of state--we certainly never saw it in Chicago where I went to high school. But it was the cheapest case in the beer distributor (especially with 4 extra oz per bottle!), MD-PA import duties included ;) Wed Jun 18 15:28:56 -0700 2008 3744574 16728 kenito799 6 3945788 I drank Boh Ice all through college. Case after case. 8 bucks. You gotta love the guy with one eye. Sun Aug 10 18:29:59 -0700 2008 3792243 205011 Mr Siegal 3 3949834 "beers they encountered in college years...mainly that much of the time there is a definite bias against whatever the "local" beer of the area was,..." I find it funny in retrospect that I went to college in Allentown, Pa. in the 60's and turned my nose up at Yuengling's (and a Yuengling was my room mate), the local beer. Well, at least, I didn't drink the ilk from the new Schaeffer's brewery that came to the Lehigh Valley and put a lot of local beers out of buisness. "Beer is proof that God exists and loves us." Benjamin Franklin Tue Aug 12 07:19:11 -0700 2008 3741832 93538 Passadumkeg 1 3741751 I might have one on which we can all agree (and I am surprised that no one has listed it yet) Cave Creek Chili Beer Mon Jun 02 10:47:53 -0700 2008 3595729 26666 FrankJBN 1 3745989 Worst beer I've ever had is IC Light - dishwater! Tue Jun 03 12:53:27 -0700 2008 3595729 36198 scarsdalesurprise 1 3807194 Miller Genuine Draft Light in the can. Undrinkable at any temperature. Mon Jun 23 19:26:35 -0700 2008 3595729 54293 LordOfTheGrill 2 3848789 Amy Romanian beer. Tue Jul 08 10:20:00 -0700 2008 3807194 10491 MOREKASHA 1 3849005 genesee cream ale. wretched. Tue Jul 08 11:16:18 -0700 2008 3595729 48769 18465 2 3853417 Only after 4-5 of them and only if you're not in college upstate. Yeah, it's pretty awful, but so are all the Genny's. Wed Jul 09 13:25:55 -0700 2008 3849005 10491 MOREKASHA 3 3856184 Don't know about the present day product...it's been a while since I had any Genny. From what I recall the lager and cream ale were neither great nor terrible, though I certainly wouldn't call them swill either. They just tasted (and probably still taste) like dozens of other light American beers...and their products were even better than some of the other mainstream malt pops. HOWEVER....they once made a beer called "12 Horse Ale" that was really quite good, being very nicely balanced and with great hop character. I think they discontinued it 15 or 20 years ago. Hard to understand why they would stop making the one product in their range that was distinctive...especially at a time when consumers were becoming more tuned in to more flavorful beers. Thu Jul 10 09:30:54 -0700 2008 3853417 116047 The Professor 1 3896667 I come from a long line of beer drinkers. I have had it all from just about every country in the world. I cannot remember any that I can say is the worst, since they are all unique in character, each to his own. But I think I can say that one I was most disappointed in would have to have been one called Yuengling Lager, the very first time I had it. Now, in regards, every beer after a while can begin to grow on you. Since then I have gotten used to the Yuengling beers, as I have the Guiness Irish Stout since my first time with it. Now it is one of my favorites of all time the Guiness is. And my wallet does not argue with my taste buds, as I am not the wealthiest man in America. Thu Jul 24 03:44:30 -0700 2008 3595729 212668 EX500rider 1 3896975 Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic and Leignenkugels (sp?) Sunset Wheat, the only two beers that I have ever poured down the drain... Thu Jul 24 06:57:36 -0700 2008 3595729 202497 MattInNJ 2 3897042 Leinenkugel's While I (perhaps) have everyone's attention, I suggest giving specific reasons why we don't like these beers. Thu Jul 24 07:18:08 -0700 2008 3896975 10998 Jim Dorsch 3 3900271 It tasted like bananas! Fri Jul 25 06:34:06 -0700 2008 3897042 202497 MattInNJ 4 4738837 Fruity Pebbles Beer Wed Jun 03 09:12:44 -0700 2009 3900271 151336 BaltoPhilFood 1 3911186 Everything Bud. Tue Jul 29 09:21:14 -0700 2008 3595729 15142 MIKELOCK34 1 3918163 Cave Creek Chili beer is by far the worst beer I have ever tasted. Stay away. Far, far away. Thu Jul 31 08:01:44 -0700 2008 3595729 214814 Scott in FL 2 3920170 I believe that brewery recently went out of business. Thu Jul 31 17:28:08 -0700 2008 3918163 10998 Jim Dorsch 1 3920212 Ohh boy Natty Ice and Keystone Light, and I'll still throw back a few when my friends and I go back to our college. Old English 40oz too, not sure how I ever drank them or why? Thu Jul 31 17:45:36 -0700 2008 3595729 210063 jacquelines 1 3943783 I've become a bit of a beer snob, so the bud light, miller light, coors light - all that stuff is not sufficient for me. Anyways, the worst beer in the world was a beer I forget the name of. My friend and I, a number of years ago, got a 6 pack of the cheapest beer in a deli late one night. It was a Hispanic beer, possibly Mexican, that was the worst tasting thing I've ever had. Literally undrinkable. Sat Aug 09 15:53:49 -0700 2008 3595729 155328 Taylor.Watson 1 3944467 We have 5 kids aged 19-29 visiting during this summer. I saw mixed 12 packs of Sam Adams beers on a very god sale and bought 8. I was cleaning up after a some mores camp fire last night and reordering the empty bottles and refilling the fridge and noticed all the beer is now gone except a 12 pack of rejects---- all Cherry Wheat Ale. I've raised a bunch of good beer drinkers w/ good taste. Sun Aug 10 06:08:02 -0700 2008 3595729 93538 Passadumkeg 2 3945084 Congratulations! Kids at a campfire and not a 'suitcase' in sight...good job. Cherry Wheat is the one reason I've passed up all those good sales on Sam Adams mixed packs. Vacationland and Best Brown are the two reasons I don't buy Gritty's mixed packs. (do they sell Black Fly Stout by the 12? Never seen it, wish I had.) I do like Red Hook's Greatest Hits, especially when the box includes Blonde Ale or Copper Hook as the seasonal. This month I've been in luck: $13.99 ++ Geary's at the supermarket. We're drinking up the Summer Ale before it's gone--I expect to see autumn brews on the shelves any day now. Pity. Sun Aug 10 12:20:18 -0700 2008 3944467 160926 Kinnexa 1 3945116 MIckey's Big Mouth Brew. Disgusting. Sun Aug 10 12:35:41 -0700 2008 3595729 50082 TonyO 1 3945642 there was one called generically beer many years back, it was truly awful and got flat about a minute after you opened it Sun Aug 10 17:18:16 -0700 2008 3595729 74192 chuckl 2 3945750 I remember a local grocery store chain, Price Chopper, had one called Valupak at .99 / 6 pack. Truly awful. Sun Aug 10 18:15:18 -0700 2008 3945642 50082 TonyO 3 3946134 Miller Lite is surprisingly not bad at all. It almost tastes like a full American-style lager rather than a light beer. Bud Light, on the other hand, tastes like cat piss. It's really awful tasting. I don't know why anybody drinks this stuff. Sun Aug 10 21:52:17 -0700 2008 3945750 213915 dchan 4 4022734 I demand a Bud Light/cat urine blind taste test. Wed Sep 10 05:32:45 -0700 2008 3946134 12359 monkeyrotica 5 4023073 ...the piss would win. Wed Sep 10 07:54:33 -0700 2008 4022734 116047 The Professor 1 3948455 I had to chuckle when I saw Old Speckled Hen in your post....during a trip through Jolly Old England twenty years ago, after getting used to warm beer, the one beer that epitomized truly undrinkable beer was that one. The wide and I agreed it was the absolute worst beer in the world (siad with a Keith Olbermann emphasis). It was many years before I saw it again (after the sale of liquor in this province became privitized) and I had the same reaction...a sort of involutary desire to vomit. LOL. Truly the worst big label beer I have had lately is Brahma from Brazil...blech. All the big boys make below average brew, but Brahma makes my mouth scream uncle. Oh and McEwans Strong (9%)...I brought it to a party in my University days ...I thought I might get a bigger bang for the few bucks I had as a student and instead had in hand 6 bottles of turpentine. Made a sober, poor student wanna cry. Mon Aug 11 16:23:31 -0700 2008 3595729 74367 foodiesnorth 1 3967158 Southern Tier Creme Brulee. Dessert topping? Maybe. Beer? I don't think so. Mon Aug 18 15:19:29 -0700 2008 3595729 85985 lsrider 2 3968297 I only had a few sips of this beer, but found it quite rich and interesting. Tue Aug 19 02:29:19 -0700 2008 3967158 10998 Jim Dorsch 3 3968538 Funny because the first couple of sips were, as you put it, rich and interesting. By the end of the six ounc pour I had, I felt it was just a cloying mess. Again, I believe it would go well over ice cream but is quite awful on its own in a glass. Tue Aug 19 06:30:11 -0700 2008 3968297 85985 lsrider 4 3968694 That's a good example of why it's generally good to live with a beer through an entire glass to get a more accurate evaluation. Tue Aug 19 07:25:59 -0700 2008 3968538 10998 Jim Dorsch 5 3968998 I have mixed feelings about it. I don't think a beer should taste like a coffee drink, but the first sips were actually interesting and rich and, maybe, good. I think it shouldn't be served in pint glasses -- this is really a small glass kind of beer. Tue Aug 19 09:10:10 -0700 2008 3968694 14367 The Dive 1 3970190 I've had Southern Tier Creme Brulee and I don't like it however I can't call it the worst or even call it a bad beer because they executed it so well. They accomplished their goal of making a beer that tastes like a creme brulee. The bigger question for me is: was it a good idea in the first place. Now I previously mentioned Dixie White Moose which again was a white chocolate beer. Now we have some outstanding Chocolate stouts out there, but Dixie White Moose was so poorly executed (e.g. they used artificial white chocolate flavoring) that it was truly abominable. Tue Aug 19 15:19:56 -0700 2008 3595729 26180 Chinon00 2 4046007 I'm retracting my statement about Soutrhern Tier Creme Brulee. Tonight I actually ordered one (rather that merely taking a sip) and it was one of the most cloying and uncomplex beers I've ever tasted save the roasted stout flavor in the finish. Completely unimaginative. A disaster. It doesn't taste like a creme brulee, it just tastes like a bottle of vanilla extract. Equally bad as Dixie Whiet Moose. My apologies. Thu Sep 18 19:42:10 -0700 2008 3970190 26180 Chinon00 1 3973895 There have really been only a few beers that I haven't been able to finish and they would be Sam Adams Triple Bock, Sam Adams Cranberry Lambic, and St. Pauli girl dark. Wed Aug 20 19:42:48 -0700 2008 3595729 109925 scubahood10 2 3976752 Ha, Sam Adams Triple Bock is one of my least favorite beers ever as well. That was pretty early in my beer drinking days so today I'm not sure if it was bad or if I wasn't ready for it yet, but it was horrible at the time. Tasted like drinking a bad port. Thu Aug 21 17:37:48 -0700 2008 3973895 72231 DougOLis 2 4020186 I thought the SA Cherry Wheat was worse than the "Triple Bock" or "Cranberry Lambic." The fruit flavor in the so-called CL at least tasted as if it derived from fruit or fruit juice. The "cherry" in the CW tasted like bad cough drops! Tue Sep 09 08:37:04 -0700 2008 3973895 90936 Kenji 1 3978513 A beer called arrogant bastard was the worst I ever had. The funny thing is that on the label it even says "you will probably hate this beer". I guess it's an aquired taste but no one in my group of friends was willing to finish it. Fri Aug 22 10:39:30 -0700 2008 3595729 144394 hudsonvalleyfoodblog 2 3978600 I think Arrogant Bastard is an ok brew, far better than ANY of the macro brews but that said, I recently had 2 versions of Stone Brewing Co. Double Bastard, both barrel aged, one in bourbon/whiskey barrels and the other in cognac/brandy barrels. Now those were world class brews but alas they are not bottled so hard to get! Fri Aug 22 11:08:18 -0700 2008 3978513 10864 sel 2 3980210 The label also states: “Arrogant Bastard Ale: This is an aggressive beer. You probably won’t like it. It is quite doubtful that you have the taste or sophistication to be able to appreciate an ale of this quality and depth. We would suggest that you stick to safer and more familiar territory . . .” So it's sort of a tongue-in-cheek thing to go along with the name of the beer. Sat Aug 23 00:39:00 -0700 2008 3978513 26180 Chinon00 3 3980457 I think hudsonvalleyfoodblog is sensitive to the issue of 'worst beer' vs 'the beer I least like'. I'm a huge fan of Arrogant Bastard, by the way, although I must admit that I once had it on a hot day and really didn't care for it; I should have ordered something lighter, and in fact, I ordered Pilsner Urquell after that and enjoyed it much more. Sat Aug 23 07:48:22 -0700 2008 3980210 10998 Jim Dorsch 4 4074298 It's all about personal preference. I didn't enjoy it. If you want to talk about worse beer then I think Bud takes the cake. Wed Oct 01 08:58:03 -0700 2008 3980457 144394 hudsonvalleyfoodblog 2 3980541 I believe a great philosopher once said, "Now, the world don't move to the beat of just one drum, What might be right for you, may not be right for some." Arrogant Bastard, to ME, is the definition of what "beer" should taste like. Not saying it's the best, not saying anyone else should think the same, definitely not saying I'm not surprised some people don't like it. I just know that when I first ran across it, I realized this what what I was looking for, even if I didn't know I was looking. Always keep at least one bomber of AB in the fridge, and I can't imagine a world without it... Sat Aug 23 08:14:10 -0700 2008 3978513 86408 healthyscratch 3 3980937 Never cared for any of the Bastards. I've tried the regular Bastard, the Double Bastard and the Oaked Bastard, each more than once, and to my taste they (especially the last two) were nothing more than a boozy syrupy mess, almost like a cough syrup on steroids. Nothing complex about them, just a sweet, thick brew with a heavy alcohol taste. To each his own of course, and I'm glad so many people enjoy them but IMO there's a ton of better balanced and better tasting beers out there. Sat Aug 23 12:09:35 -0700 2008 3980541 185685 Whisper 4 3981458 I really appreciate a fleshed out opinion such as what you left us above. I really enjoy AB but did not like Double Bastard. Just seemed to gild the lilly. Sat Aug 23 16:57:05 -0700 2008 3980937 26180 Chinon00 5 3981999 Funny thing is, tonight I shared my first bottle of Stone's Double Bastard Ale and thought that it had a deeper and more balanced flavor than any of their regularily available brews, we really enjoyed it! Sun Aug 24 00:43:51 -0700 2008 3981458 10864 sel 4 3982712 >>IMO there's a ton of better balanced and better tasting beers out there. Oh, I don't disagree at all. But I'm not sure if Arrogant Bastard is intended to be either. Certainly one of the most polarizing beers among the micro-drinker community. Sun Aug 24 11:07:33 -0700 2008 3980937 86408 healthyscratch 5 3982966 You're right, it probably isn't intended to be very balanced and I should have mentioned that. Thanks for pointing that out. You're right again, it does seem to be a real "love it or hate it" brew among beer aficionados. Sun Aug 24 13:42:25 -0700 2008 3982712 185685 Whisper 3 3981376 I'm with you. My first such beer was Dremo Tibetan Sasquatch at Bardo Rodeo in Arlington, VA. That's long gone, but I have AB, and also Gordon from Oskar Blues, to keep me going. Sat Aug 23 16:09:33 -0700 2008 3980541 10998 Jim Dorsch 4 3981473 Wow, I used to hang at the Bardo! Outside tables, the sandbox, the projection screen... I liked most of their beers a lot (esp. a super-hoppy IPA!) but all of their wheat beers failed, imo. Sat Aug 23 17:08:48 -0700 2008 3981376 39465 drmoze 3 4074306 Beer and Food for that matter is about personal preference. I'm simply sharing my own personal experience. I just didn't enjoy AB, that's all. Wed Oct 01 09:00:31 -0700 2008 3980541 144394 hudsonvalleyfoodblog 1 3979257 "mabel, black label" Fri Aug 22 14:31:57 -0700 2008 3595729 72635 hyde 1 3980592 I believe it was discontinued years ago, It was Brew 102, I think it was based in los angeles, 4 of us roomates used to get it at the navy exchange in long beach, CAlif. we were young and dumb, it was all that was in our fridge, haha. A close second was Rainier Ale, tasted like what makes snow yellow. Nowadays I would have to rate Bud as the worst. Sat Aug 23 08:40:00 -0700 2008 3595729 12130 malibumike 1 4022717 2 words: Lucky Lager This is brewed to be as cheap as possible to satisfy that crucial 50 cent/can demographic. Worst beer ever. In fact, I blame this and other super cheap lagers for me taking so long to appreciate beer. I don't think that I ever had an ale until I moved provinces. Wed Sep 10 05:22:07 -0700 2008 3595729 208595 The Chemist 1 4029302 ever try Old Frothingslosh from Western PA...? Fri Sep 12 09:05:26 -0700 2008 3595729 130134 kjmerz 1 4032564 well, i confess that I have *not* read all 242 replies to this post (before my 2), but i note (with a chuckle) this post on a *blog* within chow.com just today: http://www.chow.com/grinder/6338 ('blizzard of beer') Sat Sep 13 14:44:24 -0700 2008 3595729 130134 kjmerz 1 4040421 Schlitz, Olympia, Mickey's Big Mouth and anything with light or (worse yet) lite in the name. Tue Sep 16 17:37:31 -0700 2008 3595729 206858 TNBear 1 4042973 I think the worst beer I had where I really had to FORCE myself to drink it was a Kaiserdome Rauchbier from Germany that I drank for a "round the world of beer" promotion at a local restaurant. I know that rauchbiers have their place in beer society, but it was like drinking runoff from a chimney scrubbing. Ruined my whole meal. Wed Sep 17 16:20:35 -0700 2008 3595729 91302 podunkboy 2 4043891 I love rauchbier, with its wonderful beech smoke flavors. Thu Sep 18 04:06:55 -0700 2008 4042973 10998 Jim Dorsch 3 4047095 Ditto here. With a lot of "specialty" beers (like Rauch, Barleywine, Dopplebocks, the Sam Adams Triple and Utopias, etc) , I think some folks get turned off because they try to drink them like a Budweiser....although since individual tastes do vary there are some folks that really just don't like certain flavors in beer (I have pretty eclectic taste, but there are a few beers that I generally don't like even, if I appreciate the craft that goes into making them). Rauchbier may be a somewhat acquired taste, but once acquired, it's a nice "sipping" beer. It also makes for a very good and interesting braising liquid in cooking. Fri Sep 19 08:52:03 -0700 2008 4043891 116047 The Professor 3 4047907 I just tried my first Schlenkerla Rauchbier Marzen, after learning about it in Jackson's books and TV series decades ago. What a beautiful beer. I've got to find some of the same brewery's smoked Ur-bock. Rauchbier is a style that a lot of people seem incapable of "getting"; the smoked malt seems to rub some palates the wrong way. Some people can't handle even the subtler smoked beers, Alaska's Smoked Porter, Oskar Blues' Old Chub, etc. Yet I find these some of the tastiest beers around. The smoke flavor really adds something beautiful to the other malt tastes. Fri Sep 19 13:18:58 -0700 2008 4043891 90936 Kenji 4 4048388 The first one I ever tried was Kaiserdom (a very long time ago- at the original location of the Peculiar Pub for those keeping score at home...) - it was a chore to get through and I was pretty put off on the style for a while. The beer that brought me around was the Rauchenfels Steinbeer, then Alaskan smoked Porter and now it is among my favorite types of beer. I adore the Schlenkerla beers. Oddly enough, I've never revisited the Kaiserdom, so I don't even know if it was the style that put me off at first or a not so good rendition of it. Fri Sep 19 17:04:54 -0700 2008 4047907 12713 TongoRad 1 4048908 Fascinating thread and, while I am no expert, I learned the hard way to avoid: Ballantine's, Blatz, Carling Black Label, Colt .45, Country Club Malt Liquor, Falstaff, Genesee Cream Ale, Icehouse, Keystone, PBR, Olde English, Old Milwaukee, Mickey's Big Mouth, Milwaukee's Best, Moosehead, Natural Ice, Pearl, Rolling Rock, Schaeffer, Schlitz, Steel Reserve 211 and Strohs. I am rather surprised that Yuengling Lager and Newcastle Brown Ale were mentioned. I like both of those with dark chocolate. Budweiser, Miller, Coors and Michelob may not appeal to the avid beerophile, but they are far from the worst in my humble uneducated opinion. Fri Sep 19 22:35:42 -0700 2008 3595729 227354 Lapis 2 4049311 Ballantine is decidedly not what it once was (it was in its day a very distinctive and well regarded beer)...but it is still several notches above most other beers of its type. For the price, it's a real bargain. I do wish though that the current makers of that brand would do a little more homework and go back to the original formula. I know that I'm not the only one that misses it; it was once a truly great beer. Sat Sep 20 08:22:24 -0700 2008 4048908 116047 The Professor 3 4049486 The current Ballantine Ale has some hop flavors -- offset, unfortunately, by some cheap grain tastes. It's just barely a notch better than Bud, Coors, and the beers of that ilk. I remember occasionally coming across a fairly robustly hoppy Ballantine IPA in the late 80s and early 90s. Sat Sep 20 09:54:24 -0700 2008 4049311 90936 Kenji 4 4050439 Ballantine IPA was a beer that you really had to experience before 1980 and preferably before 1972. Experts agree that this beer defined the word "craft" and that it remains unmatched to this day. It _was_ an expensive beer to produce, and that was certainly reflected in the price of a six-pack. But damn, it was good. Sat Sep 20 22:12:52 -0700 2008 4049486 116047 The Professor 5 4050642 Even a bit later than that, BIPA was a wonderful thing on the east coast, where few craft brews were available. In the early to mid-'80s there wasn't a whole lot of choice. (Prior Double Dark comes to mind ...) Sun Sep 21 05:09:33 -0700 2008 4050439 10998 Jim Dorsch 2 4050132 Hey! Yuengling used to be a cheap coal miners' beer( my grandfather was a cheap coal miner) until it was "discovered". Genny Cream Ale may be next. Sat Sep 20 18:42:12 -0700 2008 4048908 93538 Passadumkeg 3 4050643 I think what was discovered was the amber lager, whereas you might refer to their regular lager. Sun Sep 21 05:10:15 -0700 2008 4050132 10998 Jim Dorsch 4 4052123 Yuengling always had a toe in the proto-"good beer" market in the US as craft brewing started up, in that they were still brewing a porter, a somewhat hoppy ale (both bottom fermented, however, like many other US brewers' at the time) and a US-style "bock". OTOH, they seemed not interested at all in contract-brewing, something that helped save the few local and regional brewers left, nor have they ever strayed into an all-malt beer (which keeps them off the "craft" list of the Brewers Association). As I recall the chronology, their first "hit", in the mid-80's, was their Black & Tan, which in itself was a "dumbed down" version of the somewhat popular "Half and Half" that was made at local bars with their Porter and Chesterfield. The "pre-made" B& T substituted their "Premium Beer" for the Chesterfield - thus, eliminating most of the hop flavor- essentially just making "Porter Light" in my mind. The Yuengling Black and Tan was so popular for a time, they even had to contract it out to the Stroh-owned Schaefer brewery down the road in PA. Only after that, did they come out with what was then called "Traditional Lager" which seemed to me to be somewhat influenced by SA's Boston Lager - in color, at least ("lager" in the US long meant "light yellow" beer previously), tho' it was still a corn-adjunct beer. What to me is somewhat interesting is how the good beer internet crowd talks about "Yuengling" as a beer, rather than a brewery, seemingly ignoring their other products. (Granted, even more amusing is that "Lager" in PA often *means* Yuengling Trad. Lager.) Those other brands seemed to have been also forgotten by the brewery themselves- I was shocked when they dropped their returnable bottles, dropped the Chesterfield kegs (recently revived) and seemingly "dumbed" that beer down, as well (gone is the great hop nose it once had). As Jim notes, they still make the their version of "US light lager" (what they called "Yuengling Premium"). I see it ocasionally (and think that some folks may buy it by "mistake" and be somewhat shocked) and, IIRC, in NJ it's priced the same as the other Yuengling product. I wonder if the pricing is the same in the Pottsville area or is it still a "less than BMC" alternative there? Mon Sep 22 04:05:31 -0700 2008 4050643 11059 JessKidden 3 4052129 "Genny Cream Ale may be next." Genesee Cream Ale already *had* it's "fifteen minutes" of popularity- back during the great "cream ale" scare of the late 70's-early 80's. They expanded their distribution to most of the Northeast and near mid-West, taking enough market share from the other regional brewers that a number of other brewers revived their old cream ales (Ortlieb's Neuweiler, Schmidt's Kodiak, Pittsburgh's Robin Hood) or came out with new ones (Schaefer, Falstaff's Narragansett, Pearl & Ballantine cream ales, Heileman's Blatz), etc. Also, Schoenling Little Kings expanded it's own market east at the same time. Unfortunately, that was still in the era before "craft beer pricing" and the normal method of entering a new regional market was to underprice the nationals and strong regionals, so Genesee was left with the "cheap beer" and "college kegger" tags, something that's pretty hard to overcome when trying to revive an older label. Seems as if the brewery, now itself called High Falls, is putting it's money into the Dundee line (and a pretty nice "gateway" line-up it is), with the Genesee branded beers seemingly shrinking to a NY state local, cheap brand. OTOH, they *did* revive the Genesee Bock last spring, so anything can happen in this modern beer market. Mon Sep 22 04:21:36 -0700 2008 4050132 11059 JessKidden 4 4062247 JK, thanks for the cream ale info. I left New Mexico the the lat 70's and was overseas until the early 90"s. there are big gaps in my knowledge of American "culture" during that period. In Heaven there is No Beer.(A polka from the Polish Falcons, South River, NJ) Thu Sep 25 17:15:43 -0700 2008 4052129 93538 Passadumkeg 5 4062506 Hey- let's give credit where credit is due: that song is likely taken from a Frankie Yankovic album (though Yankovic himself didn't write that one), and it's a classic indeed. As to the beer, I haven't had a Genny Screamer in a long time myself, but it did have a ceretain cache back in the day- not at the level that PBR seems to enjoy these days, but the same sort of thing on a smaller scale. I don't personally see it getting any better than that. I like Dundee better, anyway. Thu Sep 25 19:23:55 -0700 2008 4062247 12713 TongoRad 4 4063148 I use to realy like Genny's 12 Horse Ale. IMO the best beer to come from that brewery and they discontinued it. There was a time before the craft beer movement that I would search out bars that had it on tap. Maybe they should consider bringing it back Fri Sep 26 06:40:04 -0700 2008 4052129 186590 Chefmonty 1 4061039 Worst ever would be BEER (someone's got to remember that generic garbage). Close second Red, White & Blue. Genny Cream Ale had its' place if you were an upstate NY college student. Thu Sep 25 09:56:34 -0700 2008 3595729 51008 dkbk 1 4061571 Although I tend to steer clear of beer in clear glass bottles - Old Speckled Hen was a pleasant surprise to me when I first had it. I have had it numerous times since. Nothing special, but solid. Worst beer ever for me - GOLDEN ANNIVERSARY - used to have to drink it warm in college since we couldn't put it in the fridge due to my double secret probation. Thu Sep 25 13:14:41 -0700 2008 3595729 96193 doho95fu 1 4068833 I think I have two winners: 1) Bad Frog: a beer brewed only so they had something to put in the bottle while actually marketting their distinctive and slightly risqué label (frog with middle "finger" extended). 2) And, although I only had this once on a trip to Paris a few years ago, I am sure that Desperados, a tequila flavored beer from Fischer has to be the worst beer ever brewed. Sun Sep 28 21:12:59 -0700 2008 3595729 12428 bobjbkln 1 4075615 I recently reviewed Orval on another website. I really enjoyed it. I described its as having "brett twang in there with spice, bubble gum and green apple". But I recalled not liking it at all in my twenties. And I swore then that I would never order that beer again because it was the worst beer ever. If this string can teach us anything it is to keep an open mind and to always be curious. Wed Oct 01 17:49:17 -0700 2008 3595729 26180 Chinon00 2 4075759 I totally agree. I've had similar experiences with music. Wed Oct 01 19:29:43 -0700 2008 4075615 10998 Jim Dorsch 1 4079073 Miller, Coors, Budweiser in the States, in that order of heinousness. I'd settle for alcoholized ditchwater first. Fri Oct 03 07:36:29 -0700 2008 3595729 224157 girobike 2 4659696 Miller High Life + salt + lime = indistinguishable from Corona and half the price. Wed May 06 12:04:45 -0700 2009 4079073 12359 monkeyrotica 1 4080713 The worst beer I've ever had is Red, White and Blue. About 20 years ago it was sold for $2 a case. And, to kill the flavor you had to drink nearly frozen. Fri Oct 03 20:37:24 -0700 2008 3595729 119626 mwliechty 1 4081798 Chinika. I bet nobody's heard of that one actually. Two points for anybody that has tried this. Sat Oct 04 13:16:37 -0700 2008 3595729 125482 BeeRich 1 4087679 I'm not saying it's the worst beer ever, but in my opinion, the worst beer that people pay a lot of money for and think is great is Heineken in bottles (in the US). It always tastes skunky to me and gives me a headache. Beck's is another one. That being said, I did drink quite a bit of Heineken on tap in Bonaire (Netherlands Antilles) and it tasted WAAAYYYY better and I enjoyed it more than I ever expected. Tue Oct 07 08:17:34 -0700 2008 3595729 228042 sadiefox 1 4090831 You need to realize that just because "you" don't like a style of beer, that it is not always a bad beer. I dont care for Belgians. Doesn't mean the Belgians I drank are "bad". They just were not my style. Get to know the style and then do an un-biased eval. Wed Oct 08 10:57:45 -0700 2008 3595729 229068 Horlachers 2 4113924 You don't care for any style of Belgians? There are a number of different styles of Belgian beer (as I'm sure you must already know, but from your post it seems you are lumping them all into one) and I'm surprised you don't like a single one of them. Sun Oct 19 02:28:07 -0700 2008 4090831 185685 Whisper 2 4661514 Horlacher, I remember Horlacher Beer in Allentown, Pa. Any connection? Wed May 06 22:35:58 -0700 2009 4090831 93538 Passadumkeg 1 4113021 I'd say most of the American massmarket beers are pretty foul compared to the european brews.. Sat Oct 18 11:04:56 -0700 2008 3595729 86363 adrian 2 4113556 Which european brews? Heineken, Stella, Amstel . . . Sat Oct 18 18:34:01 -0700 2008 4113021 26180 Chinon00 3 4114799 Becks, Carlsberg, Moretti...? the list of European beers no better than (or inferior to) BUD goes on. Sun Oct 19 15:33:46 -0700 2008 4113556 12428 bobjbkln 4 4114874 True, true. Sun Oct 19 16:30:35 -0700 2008 4114799 26180 Chinon00 5 4115211 While typically not all that distinctive, I'd say that these international-style lagers have a bit more body and hoppiness than Bud. Of course, the hoppiness can combine with a green bottle to produce a skunky beer, in which case I'd certainly prefer the Bud. Sun Oct 19 19:40:42 -0700 2008 4114874 10998 Jim Dorsch 1 4115307 Much of the bottled microbrewery stuff in the SF Bay Area is so hideous it makes you wonder what they were thinking (Anchor Steam, of course, is an exception). But my prize winner is Good Old Guckenheimer. Sun Oct 19 20:55:57 -0700 2008 3595729 55316 mpalmer6c 1 4129279 Golden Eagle (an Indian brew) -- had a nasty smoky/musty/spoiled vegetable flavor. I should have listen to the waiter when he said I wouldn't like it. Among US beers, a tossup between Mich Ultra and Iron City. Sat Oct 25 21:36:38 -0700 2008 3595729 235218 Gene K 1 4129353 How about Billy Beer!! Sat Oct 25 22:52:05 -0700 2008 3595729 226942 al b. darned 1 4129358 My nominees for the Beer Hall of Shame: Domestic Swill: Olympia, Hamms, Buckhorn, Perl, Knickerbocker, Haffenreffer Private Stock, Narragansett, Iron City, Carling Black Label Craft beers: Anything by Long Trail, Otter Creek Copper Ale Foreign: Anything Italian or Greek. Sat Oct 25 22:53:41 -0700 2008 3595729 226942 al b. darned 2 4659876 Heh, don't know how I missed this one. Anything Italian? You seriously need to upgrade your knowledge. Wed May 06 12:55:58 -0700 2009 4129358 10809 Josh 3 4676450 My Italian beer experience was on their home turf. Barffo...I mean Raffo and Peroni have to be two of the worst beers I have tasted. Unless the stuff they sell here is different than the swill they sell in Italia, I don't see why anyone would buy it. But back then there were no "craft brews." Tue May 12 08:24:01 -0700 2009 4659876 226942 al b. darned 4 4676604 I think that many more of us might have agreed with you if you would have limited your scope to one or two Italian beer (as you have above) and stated as well that your experience with Italian beer was during the "pre-craft" era from the start. I personally wouldn't consider Italy to be a beer destination yet but they are making progress. And as for Greece, most of the beer (e.g. "Mythos) is pretty standard euro lager. However (and this is probably an exception) I enjoyed a pilsner at a cafe in front of the The National Archaeology Museum of Athens. It was brewed by a Greek brewery named 'Craft". Surprisingly good. Thanks Tue May 12 09:06:59 -0700 2009 4676450 26180 Chinon00 4 4696252 Al your beerdar is way off if you didn't at least find Birra Moretti... not Chowhound material but certainly in the Sam Adams, Newcastle, Modelo league. Mon May 18 23:12:28 -0700 2009 4676450 42572 Eat_Nopal 5 4696521 Moretti La Rossa is tasty Tue May 19 05:52:25 -0700 2009 4696252 10998 Jim Dorsch 4 4696804 Italy's craft brew industry is significant, and their beers are some of the most highly regarded, and unusual, in the world of craft beer. They incorporate native ingredients like chestnuts, grapes, herbs, resulting in really complex Belgian-influenced beers. Italian macro-lager is hardly representative of the state of Italian brewing. That's like judging American beer based on Bud Light and Schaefer. Tue May 19 07:38:33 -0700 2009 4676450 10809 Josh 2 4660874 http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/travel/02Beer.html Wed May 06 18:01:46 -0700 2009 4129358 26180 Chinon00 2 4661517 Anything Korean. That's why they drink So Ju, which is pretty bad too. Wed May 06 22:37:43 -0700 2009 4129358 93538 Passadumkeg 1 4659489 That would be Pink Killer (Brasserie Silly). What is that all about?! Tastes like cherry cough syrup with Vicks mixed in it... Wed May 06 10:59:39 -0700 2009 3595729 238787 Insidious Rex 1 4665112 To my surprise, I seem to be the only poster whose least favorite beer is Corona. I find it lacking in flavor, even when compared to other common pale lagers. But the little flavor I do perceive is unpleasant to me. Even it's fans seem to agree that a healthy squeeze of lime is needed to cover the off flavors. Fri May 08 03:30:37 -0700 2009 3595729 149239 juantanamera 2 4665124 A little lime and salt can hide a multitude of sins, regardless of the beer. I read it was originally used to hide the taste of solder (?!) in the first canned beers, the kind you opened with a can opener, like a can of V8 juice. The practice stuck even when they switched to bottles. Now, Corona and V8 juice with a little hot sauce, lime, worcestershire, and salt. There's a good post-lawnmowing drink for you. Fri May 08 03:53:45 -0700 2009 4665112 12359 monkeyrotica 3 4673451 Corona is OK with some good hot, spicey South or Central American food! Mon May 11 10:15:19 -0700 2009 4665124 41726 Sam at Novas 4 4673467 So is a Miller w/ a slice of lime for half the price! Mon May 11 10:19:34 -0700 2009 4673451 93538 Passadumkeg 5 4673645 I agree. I don't get the interest in Corona, except for the $$ they spend on flooding the airwaves with cute commercials. I think, if I had a choice, I would drink Coors or even Rolling Rock. Then there is Corona Light, which I have never tasted. I would assume it is like bad water. I love the taste of lime, but I like to reserve it for margaritas. Mon May 11 11:04:35 -0700 2009 4673467 137946 Scargod 5 4675777 Corona is useless and in those clear glass bottles looks like horse piss Drinking that with lime slice was cool 20 years ago But St Pauli Girl is going for $9 a twelve pack at one place That is a bargain due to financial crisis? I get the dark Tue May 12 02:36:39 -0700 2009 4673467 143858 gafferx 6 4675797 Maybe it's the brain damage, but Pauli Girl and Pauli Girl Dark both taste the same to me. Just like Heinekin and Heinekin Dark. Are they the same beer except with food dye in it or what? Tue May 12 03:31:00 -0700 2009 4675777 12359 monkeyrotica 7 4676960 No they are vastly different. My guess is you have little interest in dark beers and that's how most people are in USA. They are more popular in Europe Tue May 12 10:48:33 -0700 2009 4675797 143858 gafferx 8 4677534 I would hardly assume he/she has "little interest in dark beers" simply because they think that St Pauli Girl Dark isnt any more flavorful than a standard lager. I think the issue is it tastes to them like a fairly dumbed down Dunkel such that when you place it side to side with some classic better known German examples like an Ayinger Dunkel or a Hoffbrau or something, that it really seems lacking. That hardly means americans dislike "dark" beers as a rule though. I love me some Imperial Stouts and that’s about as “dark” as you get. Now Ill grant you can certainly say darker LAGERS are an underappreciated sub category even among craft beer aficionados in the US which is reflected in their rarity here as compared to Germany. I readily admit that. But please don’t assume we don’t like dark beer just because of that. Tue May 12 13:32:30 -0700 2009 4676960 238787 Insidious Rex 9 4677712 Not that I know more about beers than you, and perhaps I know less. I would however, point out the flaw in your argument is that monkeyerotica compared St. Pauli Girl to St. Pauli Girl Dark and Heineken to Heineken Dark, not one of them to some other lager or some other dark lager. I would not agree with this person, but not in the way that you have presented it. I agree darker lagers are underappreciated. I enjoy Dos Equis, Negra Modelo, Fat Tire and others. I don't know where bock beer fits into this. Tue May 12 14:29:13 -0700 2009 4677534 137946 Scargod 8 4678986 No, I do like dark beers. I've had and enjoyed Hofbrau, Paulaner, and Warsteiner Dunkel. They taste distinctly different from their lighter counterparts. But to me, Pauli Girl and Pauli Girl Dark taste pretty much the same. Wed May 13 03:48:49 -0700 2009 4676960 12359 monkeyrotica 1 4673726 I had my first taste of beer when I was 12. We were not a beer drinking family, but my dad brought home a quart bottle of Brew 102. It was made in LA. Maybe it is still around, I don't know. I drank some, went outside and threw up. Mon May 11 11:25:11 -0700 2009 3595729 149928 vegasmike 2 4675510 I recall 102 from my can collecting days. Perfected after 101 tries, IIRC. Mon May 11 20:54:52 -0700 2009 4673726 10998 Jim Dorsch 3 4675781 "Brew 102" rates an interesting footnote for the current brewing scene, as it was the first brand owned by what is the "virtual brewing company" now known as Pabst. Paul Kalmanovitz bought the Maier Brewing Company in LA (brewer of 102) in the early 1950's and went on to buy the major West Coast brewer, General (aka Lucky) which eventually brewed (well, marketed) a good dozen or two former West Coast brands. Eventually, the Kalmanovitz brewing empire, called S&P Corporation, came to included Falstaff (including Narragansett, Hanley and Ballantine brands), Pearl (including Jax) and Pabst (at the time which also owned Hamm, Olympia, Old English 800). As "Pabst" the company, by then owned by a charity set up after Kalmanovitz's death (contrary to IRS rules) eventually bought the brands of Stroh (Schaefer, Schlitz, Goebel) including the Heileman labels that Stroh had bought only a few years before (inc Carling, Rainier, Rheingold, Schmidt's, Lone Star, and a bunch of mid-West brands). So, one could safely say that 102 started a collection of over a hundred of once-well know local and regional classic US beer brands, the vast majority of which had been turned into "price" beers, bottom shelf cheap-o's that probably have no relationship to the beers they were under the original brewers. Pabst itself only keeps around 75 of the label brands registered, and markets only about half of them (and has sold/leased a few- notably Hamm's and Old English to Miller, Augsburger to Point, and Narragansett, Greisedieck, Lemp, Rheingold, etc., to some start-ups- most which have failed IIRC). And many of them, no doubt, are mentioned in numerous posts above. Tue May 12 03:00:07 -0700 2009 4675510 11059 JessKidden 4 4675862 Great history lesson! Yes, I think all should have been mentioned already, or at least the 90% of them I've tried over a forty-five year span. Was just in Naw'lins and the Jax building shore is purdy! Tue May 12 04:44:42 -0700 2009 4675781 137946 Scargod 5 4676281 Yeah, it's a great brewery, architecturally, and somewhat unusual, as well. I've never understood why Pabst (and, before that, Pearl) doesn't market a Jax beer (draught or bottles) heavily in alcohol-friendly NOLA- when there's that giant free 3-D POS item sitting square on the Mississippi in the French Quarter. I mean, "free" is the type of promotion the current Pabst company loves the most. Jax was still listed as a Pearl (S&P) brand as late as 1990 but don't know if they still make it at all anymore (not listed on Pabst' current "portfolio" page - http://www.pabstbrewingco.com/portfolio/default.aspx - but, as with all things "Pabst"- that page isn't very accurate and/or complete.) Sure, it'd be a contract-brew, no longer made in LA- same as Dixie, sadly. Tue May 12 07:39:32 -0700 2009 4675862 11059 JessKidden 1 4678895 I'm surprised nobody has mentioned New Belgium's La Folie. Maybe some people are actually into that style, but to me and everyone else I was with, it was like sour gummy worms. Way too sour. Yuk. I got it for free and I couldn't finish it. Tue May 12 23:41:16 -0700 2009 3595729 223773 jeremyn 2 4678983 La Folie is a wonderful beer. The fact that you are not familiar with it doesn't mean it's bad. Wed May 13 03:45:02 -0700 2009 4678895 10998 Jim Dorsch 2 4680380 Wow, NB's La Folie is one of my favorites along with other Flanders Red Ales. I love sour beers and in addition La Folie Wood Aged Beer is the No. 1 top rated Flanders red ale on beeradvocate.com so I'm not it's only fan! I wish it were available in bottles in S. Cal. but the closest I've found it in bottles is over 400 miles north! http://beeradvocate.com/top_beers?style=53 Wed May 13 11:40:16 -0700 2009 4678895 10864 sel 2 4680843 I admit to not being TOO familiar with the style, but I have had sour ales that I have enjoyed. Petrus makes sour ales that I love (much, much less sour). The difference to me is moderation and balance. I understand that it is certainly an acquired taste, and maybe La Folie is wonderful to someone who has a taste for it, but I am confident in saying that the majority of the world would find it utterly disgusting. Wed May 13 13:25:28 -0700 2009 4678895 223773 jeremyn 3 4680929 The majority of the world doesn't find craft beer appealing. In the US craft beer is 4% of market share. Does that mean that craft beer should be judged as bad or "disgusting"? Wed May 13 13:48:13 -0700 2009 4680843 26180 Chinon00 4 4680953 The original poster asked about our own despised brew, and that's mine. Several posters chimed in saying that they loved what he hated. To each his own! Let me hate La Folie and I'll let you hate whatever you want! Wed May 13 13:53:38 -0700 2009 4680929 223773 jeremyn 5 4683414 Fine. But as I stated earlier, I really didn't enjoy Orval beer when I was in my twenties. Now (in my late 30s), it's my second highest rated beer on beer advocate. When it comes to things highly regarded by people who know what they're talking about it's smart to keep an open mind. Thanks Thu May 14 09:56:34 -0700 2009 4680953 26180 Chinon00 6 4684624 I'd say I kept an open mind by trying it. I guess I'm just not elite enough to enjoy it! Thu May 14 15:10:59 -0700 2009 4683414 223773 jeremyn 7 4696928 Being "elite" had nothing to do with it at all. It's the attitude that you approach the topic with. I love most sushi but not sea urchin; and I've had it a number of times. And maybe I'll never "get it" but I'm down for trying it again and again when the opportunity avails itself to me because it's one of the most celebrated sushi and I want to understand and appreciate why. That level of effort doesn't interest everyone though. Tue May 19 08:12:13 -0700 2009 4684624 26180 Chinon00 8 4697664 Level of effort? That's masochistic. I say you two stop feuding... There's too many fish in the sea (or beers) to keep pounding your head against a wall trying to "get it" with any beer. Tue May 19 11:32:40 -0700 2009 4696928 137946 Scargod 9 4697816 Totally disagree. Orval is now a weekly ritual for me even though I used to dislike it strongly. But no I didn't force down an Orval every day until I could appreciate it. I think that I just sort of nibbled around the edges of the style for a while drinking saisons and semi-sweet to drier and drier sour ales; all of which feature some brettanomyces character like Orval. Until one day I re-approached Orval and my palate was ready. Tue May 19 12:21:25 -0700 2009 4697664 26180 Chinon00 4 4681060 You've sure painted with a wide brush. This isn't love it or leave it. There are many craft or small production beers I love. There are some weird, oddball ones that I can't stand. But I love stouts and double this or that, if it's dark. La Folie sounds like something I wouldn't enjoy. There is a clique-like, uniqueness thing going on when you are way out there in the minority. Like driving a Yugo or Pinto. Fine. I am in that 4%, but I'm not into extremes; at least not yet. I don't think it's a case of if you like Bud, Coors, Miller or Corona you wouldn't enjoy going to a brew pub or having a stronger flavored beer. And, I can still stomach a Bud or Michelob if I need to. Wed May 13 14:22:52 -0700 2009 4680929 137946 Scargod 5 4681529 And Pearl, too. Wed May 13 16:55:01 -0700 2009 4681060 93538 Passadumkeg 6 4683364 Back when Pearl was brewed by the Pearl Brewing Co. in San Antonio, it wasn't a bad representation on a light American Lager (not a Light beer mind you). I enjoyed it, for what it was. Now Pearl and Lone Star both had their own "budget" beers, Buckhorn and Texas Pride. I can't remember who brewed which, but both certainly deserve a place on this list. Thu May 14 09:43:24 -0700 2009 4681529 60603 TroyTempest 7 4683451 I used to drink Buckhorn in the 70's before pay day. At $.89 a six pack it wasn't that bad. Thu May 14 10:06:28 -0700 2009 4683364 93538 Passadumkeg 8 4683582 Once I drank Schlitz. I was young then. I even drank Ripple (for those of you who know of what I speak). Doesn't mean it was good. Bud's about my lowest beer to drink and only if Long Trail, Sam Adams or similar isn't available. You know, that Yuengling was not too bad... Thu May 14 10:40:06 -0700 2009 4683451 137946 Scargod 3 4696815 There are many different kinds of sour beer. La Folie is on the more extreme end of the spectrum, and Petrus's sour is definitely milder and more of a gateway sour beer. If you get more into sour beers, you'll see why La Folie is so well-regarded. Tue May 19 07:41:26 -0700 2009 4680843 10809 Josh 2 4696806 La Folie is one of New Belgium's best beers, easily. You need to get more exposure to sour beers. Tue May 19 07:40:02 -0700 2009 4678895 10809 Josh 1 4696836 Nothing fancy about bad beer, the worst ever for me was a warm (because I drank it so slowy) Carling Black Label, I was 15 at the time, It took at least 20 years to like beer after that! Tue May 19 07:47:04 -0700 2009 3595729 290306 express 2 4697177 At about the same age, I got really blitzed on Carling w/ my older brothers. It got me over my dislike of beer and I have been a beer drinker ever since. Hey Mabel, Black Label! Tue May 19 09:13:58 -0700 2009 4696836 93538 Passadumkeg 3 4697691 Get back to work, you scurvy dog! The first beer I ever had was home-brew when I was 14. I stole two out of a person's garage on my paper route. It had so much sediment! A friend and I stuck it in cool, Bachman's Lake for a while and since I can't hardly drink pissy light beers! I'm laughing my ass off at the videos from the trip! Want to hear my falsetto voice? Myyyy feeet are cooold! Tue May 19 11:40:02 -0700 2009 4697177 137946 Scargod 1 4697839 I love most things Dogfish Head, but the 120 minute IPA tastes sickly sweet to me. The worst beer I ever had by far was Kappy's store brand beer (a Massachusetts chain). Tasted like Frito's corn chips soaked in seltzer. Absolutely undrinkable. Tue May 19 12:26:21 -0700 2009 3595729 23376 nsenada 2 4701840 I agree; it's over the top. I don't like it when they get very sweet. I too like almost everything dog fishy headed. Wed May 20 15:47:12 -0700 2009 4697839 137946 Scargod 3 4704001 I hear that a lot about the 120 Minute. However, I had a two-year old bottle of it that was just great. Perhaps it's one of those beers that is best with aging. Thu May 21 11:27:19 -0700 2009 4701840 90936 Kenji 1 4735134 I don't vist the "beer" board often but I must say that the opinions and downright level of judgemental statements issued here are amazing. It amazes me how people are "told" what is "right" and "wrong" with their opinion. You would think this would be more prevailent on the wine board but it isn't. Once again, any thread with the word "Best" or "Worst" always becomes more about confrontation than about simply stating an opinion. Maybe someone should start a thread titled "Best Beer to Have with the Best Pizza in NYC". Someone better dial 9-1-1 now.................. Tue Jun 02 06:48:24 -0700 2009 3595729 50082 TonyO 2 4735375 The problem with this post was that the title conflicted with the body. The title “Worst Beer Ever” implies a fair and informed judgment of a beer. However, in the body of the post we’re asked to name our “own despised brew”, which doesn’t imply objectivity. Tue Jun 02 08:06:45 -0700 2009 4735134 26180 Chinon00 3 4737128 Your comment is spot on. I got a bit riled once or twice during this thread before I realized this. Tue Jun 02 16:30:42 -0700 2009 4735375 10998 Jim Dorsch 4 4742104 Every time this thread is resurrected, I read the title and think "Worst THREAD Ever". I never quite understood the fascination beer drinkers have with "bad beer"- and it's not just "craft beer drinkers" with their "fizzy yellow beer" comments and attacking the masculinity of "light beer" drinkers,- the US macro drinkers revel in knocking the craft beers ( too strong, too hoppy and then there's the fruit flavored ones), the Heineken and Becks drinkers have to justify their "costly imports" with the "canoe beer" jokes, and on and on. Someone should brew a Schadenfreude Lager. Hey, there's lots of beers I don't care to drink, but I'm not interested in discussing them (over and over again)- there's too much interesting stuff TO concentrate on. I'm sure there are some snarky comments about house brand liquors on the SPIRITS forum and Boones Farm and Ripple asides on the WINE forum, but are the longest threads on those forums about "bad" beverages? (Last I looked, this is the longest BEER thread, and it's been added to since). It's almost as if the negative image some have of beer creates an inferiority complex among some beer drinkers, and they have to then take joy in knocking others' beer choices. (Kinda like kicking your dog when you get home after your boss chewed you out at work....) Or, you know, maybe not <g>. Thu Jun 04 09:21:15 -0700 2009 4737128 11059 JessKidden 5 4743183 Hey, Jk, you otta touch base at the chains board too. Thu Jun 04 15:12:35 -0700 2009 4742104 93538 Passadumkeg 5 4747556 "Someone should brew a Schadenfreude Lager." I would totally buy that. Fri Jun 05 23:46:54 -0700 2009 4742104 10809 Josh 6 4747690 "I would totally buy (Schadenfreude Lager)." Really? Josh, I thought you had better taste than that- I've now lost all the respect I once had for your beer knowledge, since I heard that: (a) It sucks (tho' it's better if you can buy the cans- no green bottles). (b) We don't get the "real thing" in the US- the European version is better. (c) It's just not the same beer since they got bought out by that multinational brewing conglomerate. (d) All of the above. Altho', if you can find the Schadenfreude Bock, get it. They clean out their tanks every TWO years, so it's got twice the alcohol! Sat Jun 06 05:03:34 -0700 2009 4747556 11059 JessKidden 7 4748015 Sorry, I thought you meant the Canadian version made w/ corn and triple-hops brewing. It tastes really cold. Sat Jun 06 08:35:44 -0700 2009 4747690 10809 Josh 5 4748886 JK, All good points but one. The masculinity of light beer drinkers should be challenged ;-) Sat Jun 06 16:16:32 -0700 2009 4742104 24421 Panini Guy 3 4741806 Can there really be a worst beer ever?? I don't think this is something anyone can actually prove as taste is subjective. I only meant to start a fun discussion and it seems to have ballooned into this....thing! lol Anyway, I have enjoyed the posts and still do agree with the Hen being absolute swill, but again, my humble opinion... Thu Jun 04 08:02:57 -0700 2009 4735375 182441 DapperDave 4 4741995 Swill is a strong word. And you used the word "opinion" which again implies some basis of knowledge (hopefully) in the specific object of which you are referring (i.e. Old Speckled Hen). One has the absolute right to not "like" something. But are you sure that your "conclusion" is the result of an informed opinion? Maybe you just don't like the beer style in general. Which other Pale Ales from England do you like btw? And using a little beer vocabulary could you please express what specifically about OSH made it "swill" to you? Thanks Thu Jun 04 08:53:46 -0700 2009 4741806 26180 Chinon00 5 4742070 You've struck the root of the issue for me, which is that many people have stated their choices, but few have explained why. From this we learn nothing. Thu Jun 04 09:13:16 -0700 2009 4741995 10998 Jim Dorsch 2 4735727 I don't think it's a question of right or wrong, it's a question of informed or uninformed. If someone said Kraft singles were the best cheese, you'd likely conclude they haven't eaten much cheese. Tue Jun 02 09:42:12 -0700 2009 4735134 10809 Josh 3 4741385 I would agree but imagine someone that has only eaten processed cheese and they are given some super ripe gorgonzola. They would likely be even more convinced that the processed cheese was the best ! I'm sure we all know at least a few people that choose to drink Bud or Coors Lite because of taste. Doesn't make them wrong and sometimes ignorance is bliss (which I often think of when I check out with a $9.00 six pack or a $65 bottle of wine !). Thu Jun 04 05:03:54 -0700 2009 4735727 50082 TonyO 1 4741763 It must have been a bad can or tap. How can anyone hate the Hen? My first try of this was in London. Thu Jun 04 07:46:40 -0700 2009 3595729 245387 scaryjoe 2 4741799 Agreed. OSH is a nice one. Thu Jun 04 08:00:43 -0700 2009 4741763 10998 Jim Dorsch 3 4742713 Unfortunately OSH comes in clear bottles. I have had an off-tasting bottle of it. Thu Jun 04 12:33:07 -0700 2009 4741799 228042 sadiefox 4 4742988 That shoudn't qualify OSH as a possible candidate for "Worst Beer Ever". You got a bad bottle. Thu Jun 04 14:08:32 -0700 2009 4742713 26180 Chinon00 5 4743383 also comes in cans Thu Jun 04 16:28:02 -0700 2009 4742988 10998 Jim Dorsch 5 4744906 *I* did not say that OSH is Worst Beer Ever or even that I don't like it. I am merely pointing out that unfortunately, it does come in clear bottles, lending itself to easy spoilage, and perhaps the OP and others who say they do not like it have had bad bottles. For that matter, whenever I have a bottle of beer that tastes "off", I am more likely to wonder if I just have a "bad" bottle, than pass judgement on the character of the particular brew. Fri Jun 05 07:51:55 -0700 2009 4742988 228042 sadiefox 6 4746117 I wouldn't sweat the clear bottles...most beers packaged that way are most likely made with isomerized hops anyway, making the "skunking" factor far less likely (the brewers know full well that light+beer can =yuck if they don't use specially treatd hops and extracts). I've had quite a bit of OSH and have never encountered a bad one. Fri Jun 05 13:06:22 -0700 2009 4744906 116047 The Professor 7 4746369 I wouldn't be too sure about ALL clear-bottled beers using a "light stabilizing" hop extract. While Miller High Life reportedly uses TetraHop (http://www.barthhaasgroup.com/cmsdk/content/bhg/product%20applications/light_stability.htm ) which also explains the "beautiful, rocky head" some find in the MHL - my experience (very limited, since I know better) with clear bottled beers that have been exposed to light says a lot of brewers still think it's 1945, when beer was sold from the counter stored behind wooden cooler doors. I recall just standing NEXT to someone who cracked open a Corona Light that had been pulled from an open tub of ice at a picnic (just like in the ads!) and the skunk overwhelmed me. A bottle of Adelscott (out of the two a friend brought back from France for me) was enough not to open the second. "Say, where did you keep those bottles until you gave them to me?" "On top of my dresser, in front of the window." "Oh...". And finally I did "take a chance" of a pint of a UK ale (can't remember the brand, now- maybe one normally seen only in "nitro" can otherwise?) figuring I'd reach w-a-y back under the shelf for one that had only briefly been exposed to direct florescent light. Still skunked (it only takes minutes). After all, most brewers who use green glass seemingly ignore the "light struck" problem (well, some might go so far as print "Do Not Expose to Light" or "Store in a cool, dark place" on the case or on a website), why would it be any different for the majority of clear glass users? Fri Jun 05 14:01:38 -0700 2009 4746117 11059 JessKidden 8 4749089 Good points. Actually I was referring specifically to Old Speckled Hen and the fact that even having bought quite a few, never had one that was skunked. Other than that, you are absolutely right...some brewers probably do just ignore the science and package it for looks. Most of the gimmicky clear bottle beers are not ones I'd buy normally anyway, but while I have had ok luck with some of the British beers I've bough in clear bottles, I will admit that it surprises me that they elect to package them that way especially given the fact that consumers are getting more saavy about the reasons NOT to use clear bottles. Sat Jun 06 17:52:20 -0700 2009 4746369 116047 The Professor 9 4749281 I ONLY purchase cases of pilsner in cans (i.e. Slyfox Pikeland, Pilsner Urquell, Bitburger . . .) Sat Jun 06 19:26:57 -0700 2009 4749089 26180 Chinon00 9 4749640 IIRC Sam Smith now comes in amber bottles, after many years in clear glass. Sun Jun 07 03:43:17 -0700 2009 4749089 10998 Jim Dorsch 1 4748783 I love beer, any kind of beer. The one that I found that I couldn't stand was Steel Reserve. It tasted to me like someone had taken light beer and put in a shot of vodka. I had to pour it out. Sat Jun 06 15:23:10 -0700 2009 3595729 276475 danrob54 2 4749638 I haven't had SR, but what you say is typical of malt liquors, which tend to be very light-bodied, and of course they contain their fair share of alcohol (although not always as much as people believe). Sun Jun 07 03:42:43 -0700 2009 4748783 10998 Jim Dorsch 3 4751267 That's right. I've seen "malt liquors" (of course, in some states, any beer with over 5% ABV seems to be deemed a ML) in the 5 - 6 % ABV range Steel Reserve is one of the stronger ones, with, IIRC, 8.1 % ABV. Sun Jun 07 17:49:39 -0700 2009 4749638 90936 Kenji 1 4751045 What is shocking too is the fact that many people review beers here and on beer advocate for example knowing that the beer is skunked or otherwise compromised yet review it anyway. That would not happen with wine. I don't get it. http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/4686/3062/?ba=BierReise Sun Jun 07 16:13:30 -0700 2009 3595729 26180 Chinon00 2 4751120 Further evidence of the "nastiness" that sometimes plagues beer threads and blogs. I just don't get it ...................... Sun Jun 07 16:46:02 -0700 2009 4751045 50082 TonyO 3 4751714 It's pretty simple really...taste is a highly individual thing. And the new breed of beer snob is highly opinionated and convinced that his/her taste buds are the world standard. Fact is, no two people will taste anything _exactly_ the same way. Sometimes even the time of day will alter your taste. Beer criticism is really an exercise in futility...all opinions whould be taken with a grain of salt. "One mans poison is another man's elixer" Sun Jun 07 20:58:41 -0700 2009 4751120 116047 The Professor 4 4751878 Meh, that's not really true. It's nothing more than a restating of the middle-ground fallacy. The implication is that if you give two random beer drinkers Westy 12 one would say it's awesome and the other would say it sucks. Don't see that happening, ever. It's easy to say that there're no standards for anything, but it's not really true. If it were, why would this site be here? If anything is as good as anything else, then why aren't we all chowing down on Big Macs and Whoppers? Things which are well-made have tell-tale evidence of such. A well-made guitar plays in tune and has good sound - similarly, a well-made beer has certain attributes. Beers can be poorly made. That's not a matter of opinion. Sun Jun 07 23:10:44 -0700 2009 4751714 10809 Josh 5 4752033 Problem is that raters on the main sites tend to ignore stylistic criteria in favor of hedonic reviews. how else do you explain why so few beers of modest strength make the top lists? You'd think all the world's greatest beers must be imperial stouts and imperial IPAs. (I agree with you, by the way.) On another note (seeing how far I can derail this thread), I understand 21st Amendment's watermelon wheat beer gets good scores on BA. I wonder how it would score if it were an AB product. Mon Jun 08 04:16:26 -0700 2009 4751878 10998 Jim Dorsch 6 4755266 Totally agree about BA and RateBeer. Shaker of salt is required for those ratings. (Though I generally think the Alstrom brothers themselves are pretty objective.) Watermelon Wheat is a good beer. Or it can be, anyway, depending on the batch you get and the quality of the watermelon used in it. If it was an AB product, it'd be artificially flavored. Mon Jun 08 21:31:31 -0700 2009 4752033 10809 Josh 5 4754561 Well, I certainly do agree that beers can be poorly made , and that is true regardless of the size of the brewery (some of the big brewery "craft" product is certainly better than some of the smaller brewery products...and vice verse). As far as differing taste buds go, there are quite a few beers that seem to be popular that I (and others) think are "made badly"...so there is no universal standard (life would be too boring if there were). And my arrival at the taste assessments comes from considerable practical experience in making beer. The beer revolution has brought some mighty fine stuff to market, and it has brought just as much drek. So I agree that beer can indeed be poorly made because I've tasted quite a few of them. I also agree with Mr. Dorch that many very worthy (but more modest) beers get overlooked or rated badly in favor of the new fad of alcohol and hop bombs. As to the rest of my rant, I stand by it...and we can certainly agree to disagree. In the end really, my opinion, or anyone else's for that matter is totally irrelevant when considering the taste buds. I'll go to the rating sites for general info, but one certainly shouldn't take the reviews very seriously. Got a little off track...sorry for the diversion...I can be as opinionated as anyone. LOL And now, back to our regularly scheduled thread. Mon Jun 08 17:30:12 -0700 2009 4751878 116047 The Professor 6 4755399 "As far as differing taste buds go, there are quite a few beers that seem to be popular that I (and others) think are "made badly"...so there is no universal standard (life would be too boring if there were)." Of course popularity alone doesn't make a beer "good". You are mixing personal tastes with judgments. Mon Jun 08 23:33:40 -0700 2009 4754561 26180 Chinon00 4 4753126 I'd agree that what makes a beer "good" isn't an exact science. But I'd hate to think of it as chaos either; where the intrinsic value of the beer is utterly and completely dependant upon the individual sipper and regardless of his or her knowledge base. I think that opinions should be informed and objects must be evaluated on their own terms. Upon this basis there will still be some spread of opinion but it won't be chaotic. Thanks Mon Jun 08 10:28:28 -0700 2009 4751714 26180 Chinon00 3 4751717 And I forgot to add...that BeerAdvocate is probably the very LAST place I would look for honest and well written assessments of any beer. It's become a bit of a joke, really. Sun Jun 07 21:00:37 -0700 2009 4751120 116047 The Professor 4 4754713 The whole rating thing is a bit odd to me. I mean, really, who really cares if a beer/wine scores 94 points versus 90 ? Talk about arbitrary nonsense. I keep ratings simple; Phenomenal: Not sure I have ever had a beer in this range, but would imagine nearly any beer scoring good or above after a long prison term or days in the desert would garner this rating Great: To me, a nice cold Spaten draft on a crisp Summer night is Great Very Good: A well made Hefeweizen such as UFO Good: Magic Hat Circus Boy Eh: Budweiser Sucks: For me, it's Coors Lite Keep the grades in the classroom. Mon Jun 08 18:12:45 -0700 2009 4751717 50082 TonyO 5 4755270 An "A" by any other name would be phenomenal. Mon Jun 08 21:33:46 -0700 2009 4754713 10809 Josh 1 4754100 For some reason Red Stripe doesn't do it for me. Mon Jun 08 15:00:44 -0700 2009 3595729 259583 ohdaylay 2 4791011 I recently had a grolsch for the first time in about 7 years and instantly remembered why it had been 7 years... Sat Jun 20 17:05:23 -0700 2009 4754100 60980 Scotty100 3 4791968 So just what was it you didn't like about the Grolsch... Sun Jun 21 08:21:00 -0700 2009 4791011 116047 The Professor 4 4792053 To my tastebuds, overly sweet and metallic, "thin" on the palate, cloying aftertaste. Sun Jun 21 09:01:03 -0700 2009 4791968 60980 Scotty100 1 4928028 i once visited Eastern Europe and i 've tried their local beer, to be honest nothing good :) Sat Aug 08 02:52:55 -0700 2009 3595729 1100066 modigliani 2 4929857 Is that like visiting Eastern America? Sat Aug 08 21:18:52 -0700 2009 4928028 10491 MOREKASHA 2 4930080 The Czech Republic (former Czechoslavakia) is Eastern Europe and makes world renowned beers and is the birthplace of Pilsner beers. Sun Aug 09 02:53:23 -0700 2009 4928028 93538 Passadumkeg 1 4931175 The more I think about this small question...."Worst Beer Ever?"....the more I have a problem with it. The worst bottles of beer I have put to my lips have been skunked, well past fresh, poorly capped or some other issue. I have also had some brews that I just don't like no matter how fresh they are and they are some of the worlds best sellers (Sam Adams, Heineken and Guinness). Peoples taste in beer changes, they avoid certain elements that others love, loves other elements that other hate and some beers are just bland. Of course there are crap beers that make it to a bottle but they hardly ever make it to mass distribution. I have to think that certain places that treat brewing like a kids on a culinary play ground have to be creating stinkers as well as real treats (Dogfish Head). The truly crap beer never gets to the masses. We call a mediocre beer the worst, some call great beers crap and some call crap beers the greatest. I almost think beer is the only culinary treat that is more divisive than BBQ. If you put a gun to my head though....I am still gonna point to Zima. Bland beer with little carbonation, lemon/lime flavors and food bleach. Sun Aug 09 14:17:50 -0700 2009 3595729 178033 JanPrimus 2 4931286 "I am still gonna point to Zima. Bland beer with little carbonation, lemon/lime flavors and food bleach." You left out "discontinued" (altho', looking at the "replacement" products in the M-C lineup...well.... http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/stories/2008/10/20/daily15.html ). In Zima's defense, it did sell well initially- reached 1 million barrels and was still in the .5m bbl range (i.e., more than any craft brewery other than BBC at the point) up into the early 00's, IIRC. So while it may have been the "worst" beer (and it was "beer" only in the broadest definition), *somebody* was drinking it. Sun Aug 09 15:07:29 -0700 2009 4931175 11059 JessKidden 2 4932794 I agree with you, JanPrimus 100% and will even go one step beyond... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BAD BEER. Now, please don't misunderstand where I am coming from; If I had it my way, I would have casks of Badger's Best and Brakspear's Bitter, Manchester Star and Nightmare Porter bright and ready in the cellar next to cases of Cantillon Fou Foune, Saxo, Cidre DuPont, Schlenkerla and countless beers to numerous to mention. My tastes are different than yours, yours are different than your neighbor's and your neighbor's are different than mine. While there are beers that we disagree on, every beer has a market and gives that market pleasure. Recognizing that a good beer is one that gives pleasure to the person drinking it cracks the field wide open; Kaliber, Buckler or O'Doul's may make someone who is struggling with addiction feel less conspicuous when out with friends, Honey Brown serves as a "stepping stone" for people who are beginning to expand their palatte and who after a day at the beach could say no to a Lobster Roll and a cold Bud? Let's face it; we all started somewhere. If it wasn't for that first Solo cup of Keystone Light at a keg party, I may never have decided to probe this rich, fascinating family of food (yes, food). Beer is gratifying in ways that I will never be able to fully articulate. If a beer that I have since lost a taste for or never learned to appreciate in the first place makes you happy then congratulations, you have in your hands a great beer. Mon Aug 10 08:07:19 -0700 2009 4931175 12758 Ernie Diamond 3 4932832 It's just misunderstood beer! Mon Aug 10 08:15:58 -0700 2009 4932794 178033 JanPrimus 4 4932962 Exactly. Who is to say that Icehouse is "bad beer?" It's affordable, it refreshes, it makes the folks who chose to drink it happy. Maybe people like me, shelling out $40 for a bottle of a hard to find variety are the ones who are missing something. Pleasure is pleasure after all, whether it comes from a Pixie Stick or grilled Andouillettes. FYI - On the Beer Board, there is an old post entitled, "Favorite Malt Beverages." In the context of this discussion, isn't it great that there are people who enjoy these drinks soliciting recomendations? These are people who find pleasure in what they consume and are looking to broaden their horizons. Who knows? One may be a future Orval devotee. Mon Aug 10 08:53:41 -0700 2009 4932832 12758 Ernie Diamond 5 4933023 But if you really believe that there are no bad beers, then why should a fan of non-beer "malt beverages" take the trouble to appreciate Orval? If you really believe that Zima is the equal of Orval, why go to the trouble of seeking out & paying for Orval? Mon Aug 10 09:14:20 -0700 2009 4932962 90936 Kenji 6 4933216 That is an excellent question. I can justify paying for Orval because it gives me more pleasure than does Zima; The benefit outweighs the cost. Rather than the vague notion of "quality," the focus is instead on the pleasure derived from the product. With the cost/benefit anaylsis in mind, the beer drinker has a better understanding of the good/bad distinction; A good beer provides pleasure, a bad beer does not. Since all beer (in theory) has a market, all beer provides pleasure. Therefore, from a purely objective view, all beer is good. My point is that what another person choses to eat and drink should not necessarily be subject to negative criticism. When it is, it risks becoming a game of culinary one-upsmanship and value judgments. I think that has a negative effect on the uninitiated and is not a productive discourse overall. As Michael Jackson (The Beerhunter) said, "The best beer in the world is the one you hold in your hand." Mon Aug 10 10:06:24 -0700 2009 4933023 12758 Ernie Diamond 7 4933757 > As Michael Jackson (The Beerhunter) said, > "The best beer in the world is the one you hold in your hand. " Doesn't sound like Jackson - maybe he was quoting Charlie Papazian (AHA founder) at the time? <g> ( Altho', it's the sort of quote that's probably been said by many- I don't think it originated with Papazian, either.) Mon Aug 10 12:23:40 -0700 2009 4933216 11059 JessKidden 8 4933766 If I had a Bud Light in my hand I would not be saying this. ;-) Mon Aug 10 12:26:20 -0700 2009 4933757 10809 Josh 9 4933785 It doesn't count if you're just passing the beer to the guy beside you... (the beer version of the 5 second rule). Mon Aug 10 12:30:38 -0700 2009 4933766 11059 JessKidden 8 4934026 Fair enough. I read the quote some time ago and would have a hard time sourcing it at this point. Mon Aug 10 13:43:41 -0700 2009 4933757 12758 Ernie Diamond 8 4935933 Robt. Mondavi said same about wine back in the 60s, and I imagine the phrase predates even that. Tue Aug 11 06:50:10 -0700 2009 4933757 24421 Panini Guy 8 4936037 Deep in the cobwebs of my mind I seem to recall a similar quote's being attributed to Jackson, but the one I remember has the word 'favorite' in place of the word 'best'. If that's the case I can certainly accept it. Tue Aug 11 07:17:49 -0700 2009 4933757 12713 TongoRad 7 4933790 I don't think Michael Jackson said that, although Charlie Papazian might have. Mon Aug 10 12:31:42 -0700 2009 4933216 10998 Jim Dorsch 7 4936406 I guess what I was trying to get from you was a reason why it would be desirable for the fans of non-beer malt beverages to move to Orval -- when (supposedly), each product is equally wonderful. I can't believe that Jackson would have made the assertion you attribute to him (how, then, could he justify his beer ratings?). If anyone said such a thing to me, I'd pounce on it. I mean, for example, I hope that the Sam Adams Cherry Wheat I once held in my hand was not really the best beer in the world -- because I dumped the damned thing out! And in times of financial difficulty, I would always downgrade my beer, and I never felt a need to kid myself into believing that what I drank during those times was the best beer in the world. Tue Aug 11 09:10:49 -0700 2009 4933216 90936 Kenji 3 4933716 I'm calling BS. There is absolutely such a thing as bad beer. Drink some beers with errors in them, like oxidation, DMS, acetaldehyde, or butyric acid and tell me they're not bad. It's like saying there's no such thing as spoiled food. Mon Aug 10 12:12:00 -0700 2009 4932794 10809 Josh 4 4933845 We are not speaking to individual bottles but to brands. Mon Aug 10 12:51:21 -0700 2009 4933716 178033 JanPrimus 5 4934014 Exactly. It's the concept of pleasure; a beer with flaws (oxidation, butyric acid) offers no pleasure and is a bad bottle. With respect to brands, however JanPrimus and I agree that it is not for either of us to pass judgment on a "Bad Beer" brand. Mon Aug 10 13:41:02 -0700 2009 4933845 12758 Ernie Diamond 6 4934199 There may (or may not) be "bad beers", but some are better than others. (I think George Orwell said that?) I'll always order one from the former list, rather than the latter group. Granted, we all get to make up our own personal list of column A's and Column B's. That's not necessarily "passing judgment", just "passing" on a particular beer. Me? I'm still amazed and disheartened that this is longest thread ever (IIRC?) on the CH Beer Forum... Does that happen in the other forums? Worst Wine? Worst Scotch? Worst Hamburger? Worst NYC cafe? Mon Aug 10 14:27:20 -0700 2009 4934014 11059 JessKidden 7 4934325 I guess it's more interesting than everyone agreeing how awesome Pliny is. Mon Aug 10 15:01:01 -0700 2009 4934199 10809 Josh 7 4934384 Orwell, nice! "All beers are equal but some are more equal than others!" Mon Aug 10 15:21:05 -0700 2009 4934199 12758 Ernie Diamond 7 4934416 I agree in my disappointment that this is the topic of most interest. Mon Aug 10 15:30:11 -0700 2009 4934199 10998 Jim Dorsch 1 4936530 Red Stripe is the grossest thing I have ever had...sweet beer is disgusting to me. Tue Aug 11 09:46:59 -0700 2009 3595729 105711 observor 1 4969103 Genesee 12 horse ale; only beer my rugby team has flatly refused to drinkwhen I bought them a round!! Sat Aug 22 20:00:50 -0700 2009 3595729 1103789 roughriders 2 4969242 Hey our rugby team in Allentown drank 12 Horse, even Gibbon's Ale, Balentine Ale too. give me the 3 ring sign. Sat Aug 22 21:38:18 -0700 2009 4969103 93538 Passadumkeg 2 4969276 Genny 12 Horse was one of my favorites ... it was a teriffic brew, the best brew Genesee made. I wish they still made it...I think they discontinued it more than 15 years ago. Sat Aug 22 22:00:15 -0700 2009 4969103 116047 The Professor 1 5049430 Worst beer I ever drank was Schlitz draft, and that was at a county fair when I was I was seriously athirst. Truly dreadful. Tue Sep 22 11:21:58 -0700 2009 3595729 89849 Akitist 1 5126423 Brew 102, my drink of choice when I was 12! Only drank it once and threw up. Fri Oct 23 17:09:29 -0700 2009 3595729 149928 vegasmike 1 5205416 Golden Anniversary Ice is the worst beer I've ever had by far and I have put away a lot of crappy beer. Tue Nov 24 11:48:51 -0800 2009 3595729 20795 joth68