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lvgoodfood Apr 13, 2008 01:17 AM

I found this information:

GRAND OPENING: Father's Office Culver City - April 14

Opening party this coming Monday. 7PM

F I N A L L Y

I hope it's true!!

  1. lvgoodfood Apr 13, 2008 10:31 AM

    If they are having their opening party on Monday, I guess they will be open to the public right after that. I read the above at the BeerAdvocate website, it came up after I did a google search for the opening of MFO..

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      kel Apr 13, 2008 01:13 PM

      Address?

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        glutton Apr 14, 2008 06:03 AM

        It's on Helms Ave, next to HD Buttercup and the Jazz Factory. That's half a block south of Venice Blvd.

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        Twodawgzz Apr 14, 2008 11:34 AM

        Rumor has it that the new FO could be open to the public as soon as Apr. 17.

        1. ElJeffe Apr 14, 2008 09:52 PM

          They've been having soft opening nights to friends & VIPs so the true opening must only be days away! Won't be open to the public by the 14th (today), as far as I know.

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            omakase Apr 14, 2008 10:01 PM

            Hope this new one has table service.

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              Princessdrea Apr 15, 2008 12:58 PM

              Don't plan on it - not gonna happen...

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              Twodawgzz Apr 15, 2008 09:53 AM

              Public opening is scheduled for Monday, April 21st.

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                slacker Apr 15, 2008 01:10 PM

                I'm so there next week.

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                  Diana Apr 15, 2008 01:20 PM

                  Sure it is. HOW many times have we heard a date only to have it pushed back?

                  I think its darn deliberate to create extra hype and storke a few egos.

                  1. re: Diana
                    wilafur Apr 15, 2008 02:29 PM

                    i highly doubt it is to stroke ego(s). the longer it takes a restaurant to open due to the permitting, TI, etc process, the more money the restaurant is losing on a daily basis.

                    it behooves any restauranteur to get his/her restaurant opened as quickly as possible without cutting any corners.

                    the bottomline: not open for business = no revenue

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                      Diana Apr 16, 2008 06:15 AM

                      Sorry, this is Tsang Yoon we're talking about. It behooves any restauranteur to go by the customer service philosopy of letting them order things they way they want to in order to make them happy, especially in the case of allergies. He refuses to do so. It behooves them to take a popular place and have a sane seating policy, or somehow expand the space, or take reservations. He does not do so! It behooves any "beer expert" to make sure his info is right before going on the radio and talking about beer as an expert, he does not do so!

                      Yet the orginal FO is swamped, the burger is the "best in LA" (never tried it, so I can't say if I agree with that or not. I rarely eat burgers, you see.) I STILL can't get the olive thingy without stupid almonds that will kill me, but that's OK with FO, plenty of other people waiting for my table who will have them. And Yoon has risen to susperstar "beer guy" status, and kinda has the ego to match his mini empire.

                      It wouldn't make sense, no, but things he does DON'T make business sense. Yet he is very sucessful.

                      Frankly, more power to him! He has found a way to convince people to wait in line for hours to grub for a table, sneak in ketchup, and order a burger that they have to have his way. He is the anti Burger King philosopher. you "have it his way".

                      Then again, how many Burger Kings are there versus Father's Offices? But I KNOW the FO food is better.

                      Oh yes, I will probably go to the new FO when the insanity that we are helping create dies down. I want to check it out. The bottom line on FO is that they DO have a good beer menu, and the food, stricly managed as it is, is well done. One can't argue with that.

                      1. re: Diana
                        Servorg Apr 16, 2008 06:34 AM

                        The LA dining scene is that much richer for places like FO's and people like Yoon doing something that cuts against the grain. What a boring place LA would be without the iconoclasts like Mr. Yoon. More power, and burgers without ketchup, to him.

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                          Diana Apr 16, 2008 06:49 AM

                          true. Frustrating, but true. I suppose there i a place for burger, noodle and sushi nazis.

                          But Imagine how excellent Father's Office would be if they had the same Philosophy of Providence, Spago, or such: "the CUTOMER IS KING!/QUEEN!"

                          Like if I could get my burger cooked to my choice. Ketchup, frankly, I can take or leave. If I want to sneak some Hunt's in, I will. But I have yet to figure out a sneaky way to get the almonds to go away-I can't just take them out, they have touched and been cooked with the olives, so I'll still react.

                          A nice touch of aged balsamic would probably go well on the burger, from how I've heard it described.

                          I'll have to sneak some in.

                          1. re: Diana
                            mollyomormon Apr 16, 2008 07:52 AM

                            You've never even tried the burger and yet you're bagging on FO's constantly??? Jesus, at least try it first.

                            Also, Father's Office is, essentially, a bar. If you go to any bar expecting the level of service and attentiveness you might receive at Providence/Melisse/Spago, you're certain to be disappointed 100% of the time.

                            And FWIW, there are plenty of other fantastic non-nut dishes on the menu that won't leave you missing the olives.

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                              Diana Apr 16, 2008 10:50 AM

                              Ive BEEN to FO. I just haven't eaten the hamburger. I don't eat hamburgers often due to my careful watch oy my diet. My last Hamburger was over 4 years ago! The burger is not the bar, just a part of it, Molly.

                              I've tried their beer, but I can find the beer they have elsewhere (trust me, I can :) )

                              I've been to PLENTY of bars with great service. No one can say an eveinng at FO's is a good experience.

                              I know the menu. I know there are non nut options. Cutesy shopping carts of small protions of sweet potato fries and such aside, I wanted to try the olives on the mneu, they were reccomended. But they have almonds. Can I get them without, due to my death-allergy, "Oh no, we don't do that here"

                              I don't expect service like Spago or Providence. But these palces, who cahrge a good amount for their food, are willing to cahnge a dish or a menu for allergies or dietary concerns.

                              heck, most places will, even bars. If you have been going into bars with poor service, you need to go to other bars!

                              My point is that FO is a place with good food, good beer, but very odd and frustrating policies that are more for the whim of the owner than his customers. The customers, for the most part, don't seem to care.

                              That's fine. I don't have to go.

                              Let me re-state this for those about to slam me who don't read entire psots.

                              I will probably go to the new FO, but I will wait untill the insanity of opening dies down. A furor, by the way, Chowhound is helping create-and so is yoon by constantly delaying opening (for whatever reason, constant set backs of an opening means the excited people go mroe and more rabid. I suspect some is real and some is a ploy to raise more hype)

                              i will go with an open mind, and yet be aware of what I should expect from my knowledge of FO in SM. Policies I personally don't like will not be changed. Even at a later time, it will be crowded. I will have to sneak ketchup or other non-yoon condiments in. heck, maybe I'll sneak in some mango chutney for my sweet potato fries.

                              I will try, and I may have a great time. but I know what I'm getting into.

                              Keep in mind my opinion is my opinion, and carries the weight of any opinion. It is based on my personal likes, dislikes, past experiences and more.

                              Other people differ. That is good. That is why the baord exists, as an open discussion of opinions and sharing of ideas.

                              My opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's

                              1. re: Diana
                                The Chowhound Team Apr 16, 2008 12:26 PM

                                Folks, this branch of this thread is getting a little too personal, so we've removed some posts. Since it seems like all the points that are going to be made have been made, and are now just being repeated, we're asking everyone to agree to disagree and move on.

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                                  Princessdrea Apr 17, 2008 02:28 PM

                                  For what it's worth, i can assure you that Sang Yoon has not intentionally delayed the opening of FO LA. My husband has been working on that jobsite for months, and the continued delays have been the result of (among other things) permitting issues, approval issues with the city, and assorted vendors not delivering what was promised. Basically, all the things that normally happen during a construction project.

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                                    jlrobe Apr 22, 2008 02:27 PM

                                    Diana. Not everyone loves FO. Try Tompkins Square Park Grill in Westchester, 3rd Stop in Midcity, or Lucky Devils in Hollywood. Those places are good alternatives to FO.

                                    Thank god we have choices!

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                                      Diana Apr 23, 2008 06:44 AM

                                      Sure! Also

                                      Village Idiot
                                      Lucky Baldwin's
                                      The Delerium Cafe
                                      Pure Luck
                                      The Boneyard Bistro
                                      Mc G's (great beer selection..food is only OK)
                                      Vendome Toluca Lake's Beer Tastings on Saturday
                                      That little roadhouse on the 2 (name I always forget)

                                      For the time I stand in line at FO, I'd actually prefer to drive up to the microbreweries in Santa Barbara.

                                      But none of these places have the "FO Burger" which I know must have something, as so many people have become its slave!
                                      Maybe in this new FO, I will be so enslaved. It wouldn't be an unpleasant experience.

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                                        jlrobe Apr 23, 2008 02:14 PM

                                        "But none of these places have the "FO Burger" which I know must have something, as so many people have become its slave!
                                        Maybe in this new FO, I will be so enslaved. It wouldn't be an unpleasant experience."

                                        Diana, that is why I listed the places I listed.
                                        Lucky Devil's, 3rd Stop, and Tompkins Square Park Grill have VERY VERY good burgers, and VERY VERY good beers. In my opinion, they are nearly equivalent to FO. All three of those places have a phenomenal mac n cheese and great standard fries to go with their great burgers.

                                        Boneyard bistro is not a bar like the three other places I named but it also has a wicked burger to go with its wicked beer.

                                        the other places you mentioned are great, and you should post them on my other thread, but as you mention, they arent one-one comparisons to FO.

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                      nosh Apr 15, 2008 02:45 PM

                      Does this new branch of God's gift to the burger and beer world have a phone number? A website? Anything that would indicate the least interest in customer outreach and communication? Or are they hoping that they get a lot of hype on the 10 p.m. local newscasts the night that they finally decide to open??

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                        glutton Apr 15, 2008 04:45 PM

                        There's a website for Father's Office, but it was heavy on design, short on info the last time I looked.

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                        unkochan Apr 16, 2008 09:26 AM

                        the santa monica location once had a pork belly special which was awesome. i hope they serve it again in the near future!

                        1. ElJeffe Apr 16, 2008 12:21 PM

                          Man, this is some serious debate and strong opinions for a Burger Place. For me, the 3x larger-than-the-original space should address alot of the frustrations and service issues from the Montana location.

                          Apparently, they will have a private dining room as well for parties.

                          Now take some of that passion and go pour it into the upcoming political election!

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                            SauceSupreme Apr 16, 2008 09:56 PM

                            Way ahead of you. I'm part of a delegation of people who are trying to decide who to vote for in the upcoming Gourmet Burger Convention. It's a pretty heated debate. The burger who wins that nomination ends up going head to head with the winner of the Classic Burger party in the general election for President of LA Burgers.

                            Life, liberty, and the pursuit of the medium rare!

                            (Pug Burger in '08! Although, if it's 3am, and I want a burger, I'd vote for 25 Degrees.)

                            1. re: ElJeffe
                              mollyomormon Apr 17, 2008 07:32 AM

                              Or to the grilled cheese election at Clementine!

                              http://meltthevote.blogspot.com/2008_...

                              (I tried that torta last week and it was delicious...)

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                                BeenThereAteThat Apr 26, 2008 09:29 PM

                                The "ballot" PDF is hilarious!

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                              anaka Apr 17, 2008 01:57 PM

                              There was a media party a few days ago. Stopped by last night, and one of the managers said that it's opening "this week, can't give an exact date."

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                                grobson Apr 22, 2008 01:26 PM

                                Any update yet? I work down the street and the guys here are going crazy waiting for the opening.

                                Also, I heard a rumor this is only open for lunch Fri, Sat, Sun. Can anyone confirm?

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                                1. re: grobson
                                  Mattapoisett in LA Apr 22, 2008 01:43 PM

                                  They Opened Last night

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                                    lesleyb Apr 22, 2008 03:38 PM

                                    40 people lined up when they finally opened the door at 6pm. All tables full and a line outside by 7:15. Service did pretty well, considering. The burger was still tasty, the beers cold, the wine tap system pretty nifty. I have more pics and details on Eater LA. Should start opening at 5pm during the week, noon on weekends, although not sure when that will officially start.

                                    http://la.eater.com/archives/2008/04/...

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                                    slacker Apr 22, 2008 02:50 PM

                                    Are you referring to the "rumor" I posted earlier? It is open for dinner every night at 5pm. And lunch on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, at noon.
                                    http://www.chowhound.com/topics/413113

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                                    marshall08 Apr 23, 2008 09:28 AM

                                    I went last night and it is as awesome as the reports say it is. The food is just as good, contrary to what some people have said, the fries are still hot, and of course... great beer.

                                    I went around 7PM and my friends showed up at 8PM. We had to wait in line for 5-10 minutes, they waited 10-15 minutes. But getting someone to take your order was easy and we had no problems finding a table, outside no less. There are heaters outside, so it is actually warmer outside than it is inside.

                                    It's truly fantastic. Oh ya, and I ordered the sobrasada for the first time. It was sublime.

                                    1. lvgoodfood Apr 23, 2008 10:23 AM

                                      Can someone please post FO's (Culver City) hours, I can't find that information anywhere.
                                      Thanks!

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                                        Servorg Apr 23, 2008 10:40 AM

                                        http://la.eater.com/archives/2008/04/...

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                                          lvgoodfood Apr 23, 2008 10:56 AM

                                          Thanks!!

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                                        LisaStitch Apr 23, 2008 12:19 PM

                                        Fantastic!

                                        Went last night at about 7:15pm, walked right in. A line started forming around 7:30, when a friend of mine was coming, and the guy at the door told me he'd have a wait of only about 15 minutes. They were managing how many people were let in so that the place was always pretty full, but never so packed like the Santa Monica location, where you can barely walk around. Here it was very easy to walk around, and there was pretty much no wait to get a bartender, maybe sometimes just 1 person in front of you. I really liked this.

                                        Service was great!!! My bartender, the server, and some guy with an earpiece were all super super super nice - I can't state that enough.

                                        I had the steak thai salad from their specials menu, and the steak was perfectly crusted on the outside, rare on the inside, and the salad was spicy and wonderful. My friend had the duck confit salad, also from the specials menu, which he also loved.

                                        I absolutely cannot wait to go back.

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                                          Dommy Apr 23, 2008 01:41 PM

                                          Good ordering Lisa... as Much as I love the Burger, it's the specials and the high quality of food that is put out in GENERAL as to why I love the SM location...

                                          --Dommy!

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                                            lvgoodfood Apr 23, 2008 01:57 PM

                                            Thanks Lisa for sharing your FO's experience. I can't wait to go and try it.

                                          2. lvgoodfood Apr 24, 2008 11:28 AM

                                            I will try to go for lunch this weekend to FO in CC, my first time to FO, never made it to the old location. I have some questions, since I don't know how the ordering, seating , etc., works there. And I've heard so many different versions of what you are supposed to do.
                                            Please help me, so I don't just stand there waiting for someone to seat us, and take our order, etc.
                                            I know, I know, I am very FO ignorant. : ) Perhaps it is very simple, but I want to be ready and prepared to have a good experience.

                                            Thanks so much!

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                                              maxzook Apr 24, 2008 01:10 PM

                                              First, take a deep breath and repeat: "It's only a restaurant, it's only a restaurant, it's only a restaurant ..." ;)

                                              I have not yet been to the new location, and the only item I've ever ordered at the original spot was the burger, which more than earns its reputation as the best in LA. My first time I had the regular fries which were a disappointment; since then I've always had the sweet-potato fries which were transcendent. Next time I go, most likely to the new location, I fully intend to try another entree, although I don't think I can resist having the sweet-potato fries again.

                                              There are no substitutions at FO, and I mean, NO SUBSTITUTIONS. If you're the type who must have ketchup with their fries, too bad. I have heard of people getting away with bringing their own bottle/packets and not getting in trouble (I mean, what are they going to do, seriously -- throw you out?) If you have the burger, I would strongly urge you to take a bite before you put ketchup on it -- it's really better the way they serve it. And 'm not a ketchup-on-fries guy anyway so I can't speak to that. (I also don't drink so I can't speak to the beer selection.)

                                              At both locations, you have to order at the bar, and then hope to find a seat. The new location has more seating than the old, where seating is very iffy to put it mildly. If you're the type that doesn't like to have to share a small table with strangers, this is not the restaurant for you.

                                              By the way, they've updated their website with info about the new location -- but at the same time they've taken down their menu (is this because the new location has a different menu?) Oh, and you'll be pleased to know you can buy a Father's Office skateboard for only $140. I could not make that up.

                                              http://www.fathersoffice.com/

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                                              Father's Office
                                              1018 Montana Ave, Santa Monica, CA 90403

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                                                mollyomormon Apr 24, 2008 01:43 PM

                                                I would definitely buy their cabrales blue cheese dipping sauce if I could!

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                                                  aching Apr 24, 2008 01:53 PM

                                                  I'd buy their aioli - yum yum yum.

                                                  1. re: maxzook
                                                    maxzook Apr 24, 2008 01:26 PM

                                                    LTAP to the new location ...

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                                                    Father's Office
                                                    3229 Helms Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90034

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                                                      lvgoodfood Apr 24, 2008 02:05 PM

                                                      Thanks so much for the information. I am NOT a ketchup person, so I won't have a problem with that, not at all. Also not a drinker, so the beer info is not needed here. I've been to many places were we have to share tables, and that's not a problem. We are planning to go for lunch, to try to beat the evening crowds.
                                                      Thanks again. : )

                                                      1. re: lvgoodfood
                                                        maxzook Apr 24, 2008 03:24 PM

                                                        Remember that at least on weekends, the Santa Monica location is crowded from opening till close, and it's only open for lunch on weekends (the new location is open for lunch Fri-Sat-Sun). So, good luck!

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                                                          foodientraining Apr 24, 2008 04:13 PM

                                                          I'm going tonight. Can you order the burger to go? I don't feel like fighting for a table.

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                                                            glutton Apr 25, 2008 06:17 AM

                                                            I disagree. I've walked into the Santa Monica location many times on a Sunday for lunch and had no line and no trouble sitting at a table of my choice.

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                                                              karamazov Apr 25, 2008 07:33 AM

                                                              The one time i've been to FO was on a sunday around 3 pm or so. The place had maybe 5-8 people in it and there were lots of places left at the bar and the tables. The burger was too salty for me, the sauce with the blue cheese they put on it kills virtually all other flavors. The beer is good though, and the food definitely isn't bad. However I would suggest the kobe burger at Lucky Devil's in hollywood - it was amazing. They also have a great beer selection.

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                                                        missy85 Apr 25, 2008 03:05 PM

                                                        Went to FO a little after 1pm today (Friday) for lunch and they were, wait for it...out of burgers! Doesn't bode well for the coming weekend rush if you're looking to get your burger fix tonight.

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                                                          karamazov Apr 25, 2008 03:20 PM

                                                          Here is hoping all this popularity doesn't make the quality go down, as it so often does.

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                                                            foodientraining Apr 25, 2008 04:09 PM

                                                            WOW! I went last night and ordered take out. I got there around 9:30, so luckily no line. I love the bread. The burger was really good. I would probably go lighter on the onions. The servers were great and attentive. The sweet potato fries were outstanding. Well worth a trip on their own.

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                                                              melangeinc Apr 25, 2008 04:18 PM

                                                              12:45, arrived for Lunch. 1:10, waited in line and finally allowed inside. 1:30, finally ordered food. 2:15, Food arrives. 2:18, out of burgers. No silverware, had trouble reordering beers. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! Is it hip to no longer get service? First day, maybe, but from all the blogs, I just expected something more.

                                                            2. Mr Taster Apr 25, 2008 04:52 PM

                                                              I think this point needs clarification... is the new FO more of a "restaurant with a great beer" versus Santa Monica's experience of "a bar with great food"?

                                                              Since there are actual servers in place, it sounds like the former.

                                                              Mr Taster

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                                                                marshall08 Apr 25, 2008 05:20 PM

                                                                It's still a bar first (at least I think that's what Yang Soon would say). There is no one to seat you or take your order. Like the SM location, if you order food, you get a number and the food will come to your table.

                                                                Unlike the SM location, there is a lot more breathing room in CC and also great outdoor space.

                                                              2. SauceSupreme Apr 26, 2008 02:50 AM

                                                                I've always placed a one month rule on new restaurants, even expansions of an existing one. Thank you, all of you, for beta testing for me, in the hopes that they get it all straightened out when I visit in June.

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                                                                  rogermexico Apr 26, 2008 05:30 AM

                                                                  My experience yesterday:

                                                                  Showed up Friday at just before 6. The place looked really nice. Sadly, like it's sibling it was completely packed by then with 4-5 random groups already hawking tables. Despite prior reports, the doorman was doing nothing in terms of limiting entry. Not a single table available inside or out, including the bar. Also might I add that despite it's larger size the interior table space seems fairly comparable to the original. Frustrated as usual, the girlfriend and I, who despise the chaos of this sort of arrangement, left and walked right into Fraiche and had a delightful meal. Maybe it'll settle down in time, or maybe the happy hour Friday crowd is just too intense, but my SO has already given up on the place while I scheme to figure out around which time periods the place won't be jam packed. So far, it's looking like 5-5:30 on weekdays and 2:30-5:30 on weekends. Oh well...

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                                                                    polarcyclone Apr 26, 2008 06:34 PM

                                                                    Went last night around 1030pm. 1 table was available, but someone else snagged it before my party could. Waited 5-10, then another table opened.
                                                                    Friendly staff reminded us we have to order at the bar. Ordered burgers fries, and sweet potatoe fries. Only having had the burger once before at the SM location, it seemed different, perhaps not enough cheese and too many carmelized onions. They do give a side of rock salt for putting on the fries.
                                                                    The beer I found not as good as BJs brewery. I did notice alot of tables opening up, as the night grew on. I would hate to have seen this place around 7-8 timeframe.

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                                                                      SauceSupreme Apr 26, 2008 10:57 PM

                                                                      What beer did you order at Father's Office? And what BJs beer do you like?

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                                                                        jlrobe Apr 28, 2008 03:15 PM

                                                                        "The beer I found not as good as BJs brewery. "

                                                                        Wow. you lost your street cred on that one :).

                                                                        Im only joking (sorta).

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