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Food & Wine Magazine Top Ten Restaurant Cities in the World - Vancouver makes list

Rah rah. http://www.foodandwine.com/golist-top...

That's great news. It's nice to see some validation from a magazine like F&W.

* 1. Tokyo
* 2. Paris
* 3. New York City
* 4. London
* 5. Barcelona
* 6. Sydney
* 7. Madrid
* 8. Chicago
* 9. Stockholm
* 10. Vancouver, Canada

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  1. we do tend do well on lists, world'd most livable city etc.., nice to see legendary noodle make the list of best value restaurants

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    1. re: vandan

      >> nice to see legendary noodle make the list of best value restaurants

      Whoa. I missed that.

      1. re: fmed

        Except they mentioned the west end one , the Main Street location is much better

    2. Yes....we do make the lists.....Bay Area (SF) didn't but we did....kind of wonder who is doing these....

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      1. re: Pollo

        I'm not sure what the criteria are, certainly SF deserves to be on there. (I've been to Stockholm, I don't know if it belongs). Tokyo deserves to be in top spot. I would put Barcelona over London.

        1. re: fmed

          Barcelona over London - why? You have to consider points like diversity of cuisine - high end and low end eateries. With the excpetion of NYC, i can't think of another city as dynamic and as varied as London. As much as I love Paris, I don't think the food is as varied or inventive as London.

          1. re: Nii

            I love London, don't get mre wrong. I have found the restaurant scene in Barcelona, while not as varied, more accessible to the way I like to dine (small-plates, tapas, etc.)

            You may be right about London over Paris.

            1. re: fmed

              Never been to Barcelona but San Sebastian has the best food I ever had in Spain

              1. re: knight

                You're right about San Sebastian - some of the best chefs in Spain are there. But sunny Barcelona is just so beautiful, and its mix of old & new restaurants just simply take one's breath away. And the cuisine offered is not just Catalonian, but from every region, including Basque.

        2. re: Pollo

          That was my first reaction too, but i tamed my incredulity with the knowledge that lists, even compiled ones, are very subjective. The definition of "restaurant city" will vary from person to person as well. For example, ethnic diversity is something i consider to be one of the key factors in a restaurant city. By the inclusion of Paris, and exclusion of Los Angeles or the Bay Area, i gather the panelists don't agree with me.

          1. re: yen

            There is clearly more to the lists than just diversity, numbers, and quality. They may have factored in density.

            The one thing about Vancouver that is a different from LA and even SF is the restaurant density downtown. Vancouver's downtown residential density is the highest in North America (by the most current stats) and contributes a lot to the lively restaurant scene.

            Is it in the top 10? It's really irrelevant if the restaurants are delivering the goods.

            (edit: Vancouver is pretty ethnically diverse, in comparison to the cities listed...Stockholm? Not so much. And...on that 10-list, Vancouver is arguably the most inexpensive city to dine.)

            1. re: fmed

              Oh, i wasnt arguing with the inclusion of Vancouver, though for quality, i personally wouldnt rate it as high as many of the other international cities on the list. Thus #10 is a fine placing. Sorry for that misconception. It was more a comment about the exclusion of certain cities... LA and Bay have two very good food scenes, and i was surprised at their exclusion. To a lesser extent, Shanghai as well.

              I havent been to Stockholm, so i can't comment on it. But Tokyo definitely deserves top spot, with NYC a close second imo. I would shove Paris off the list, and if what you say is true, Stockholm as well :)

              And you're right, there are probably a lot of factors involved. My original point was only to say take lists with a grain of salt - because who knows what factors played a role in compiling a list, and how they could be very different than our own perceptions for what makes up a "restaurant city".

              1. re: yen

                No worries yen. I had no issues with your post. I'm just blathering on as usual.

                (edit...I see this was moved to the Food Media and News Board)

                1. re: yen

                  Paris should be number ! by far , but SF should also be on the list

                2. re: fmed

                  Vancouver has a tiny d-town if compared to SF or LA...v. tiny so density is not the stat to go by plus it's still much cheaper than LA/SF...

                  1. re: Pollo

                    >> Vancouver has a tiny d-town if compared to SF or LA...v. tiny so density is not the stat to go by plus it's still much cheaper than LA/SF...

                    Vancouver does have a smaller DT core...but it has a large residential population right downtown which is fairly unusual. In fact this mix is so unusual, that urban planners globally have coined the term "Vancouverism" to describe this style of urbanism and many are using it as a model to evolve their own cities (eg San Diego, Dallas, Dubai).

                    This mix of "liveable" residential and commercial space downtown is providing a sort of critical mass...which is then providing fertile ground for the restaurant business right downtown.

                    1. re: fmed

                      New York's had that for a hundred years. I couldn't imagine living somewhere which isn't "this style of urbanism". :)

                      1. re: LNG212

                        >> New York's had that for a hundred years. I couldn't imagine living somewhere which isn't "this style of urbanism". :)

                        Yes...they actually call this "Manhattanism" or something like that. Vancouver and Manhattan are mentioned frequently in city planning conferences and such. They are similar, but different.

                        Don't take it for granted....Manhattan or Vancouver downtown is very different from most downtowns is North America.

                        1. re: fmed

                          I thought a lot of older cities (I'm thinking Boston, Chicago) were like that too?? It was necessary because they were built before the car-culture. I guess alot of newer post-car-culture cities are beginning to realize the benefits of the "older" way?

                          1. re: LNG212

                            >> I guess alot of newer post-car-culture cities are beginning to realize the benefits of the "older" way?

                            I think you are spot on. "Live where you work".

                            We still have sprawl problems just like most cities (especially Western NA cities).

            2. One gripe: why does it have to be "Vancouver, Canada?"

              It should just be "Vancouver!" I mean, what, is number six Sydney, Nova Scotia? I think not! ARG! Isn't there a Paris in Texas? And a Madrid somewhere in the Midwest USA? I'm crying a little inside.

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              1. re: miss_bennet

                Well, we wouldnt want the people in Vancouver Washington to get super excited now would we? :)

                1. re: yen

                  Is it unreasonable to presume the magazine's readership has a clue? Apparently the editors think so.

                  1. re: miss_bennet

                    Tongue in cheek mb... i was only joking around.

                2. re: miss_bennet

                  >> It should just be "Vancouver!" I mean, what, is number six Sydney, Nova Scotia? I think not! ARG! Isn't there a Paris in Texas? And a Madrid somewhere in the Midwest USA? I'm crying a little inside.

                  LOL! I hear the food in London Ontario is world class (just kidding London Ontarians).

                  1. re: miss_bennet

                    Cape Bretoners may not have the most "sophisticated" or adventurous palates, but they've got a lot of tea and oat cakes to bribe the judges ;)

                  2. Hey, I could not *believe* Berlin wasn't on there. Stockholm? But not Berlin? C'mon. Clearly, there's a lot of work ahead for me to promote the culinary treasures and pleasures my city holds. Ridiculous!

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                    1. re: linguafood

                      Berlin is a great city, but i find it still has some work to do yet before it qualifies as a truly great food city. I don't doubt they will get there one day - i had some excellent meals there in January, but it doesnt deserve a top 10 ranking yet - imo.

                      1. re: yen

                        You know what, you're probably right... sometimes my Berliner pride makes me say silly things. Which restos did you visit when you were there, and how did you like them?

                        1. re: linguafood

                          Other than various doner kebab and wurst vendors? :) I think the most memorable were Monsieur Vuongs, Facil, and 44. I had a bunch of other average meals that were necessitated on "hungry, eat now" - a pub near the Pergamon, Chinese restaurant that i ate at when i couldnt find the sushi restaurant i was looking for, pizza, etc... Overall, the food was good, but the city, nightlife, and vibrancy were all top notch. I loved Berlin - i look forward to seeing how it changes over the next few years.

                    2. i think it is a decent list, the glaring omission in my opinion is Hong Kong.

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                      1. re: swsidejim

                        Mybe they got the two mixed-up?....just kidding......

                        1. re: swsidejim

                          >>i think it is a decent list, the glaring omission in my opinion is Hong Kong.

                          Oh yeah...that's a huge omission.

                          1. re: fmed

                            in my humble opinion I think either Stockholm, or Sydney could be replaced by Hong Kong on this list.

                            1. re: swsidejim

                              Not having been to Hong Kong, I can't say whether you are right or not, but I would say that in my fair amount of travelling, Stockholm and Sydney are the two cities I most remember the food in. Spent two weeks in each, and didn't have a bad meal in either (doesn't mean they don't exist, I was just lucky) and some of the best meals I have ever had were in those cities.

                              1. re: Dan G

                                I too like the restaurant culture in Stockholm (one of my favorite cities...if not my favorite city to visit.) I'm not sure if it eclipses some of those other cities (esp HK). And it was downright expensive to eat out.

                                Sydney too was fabulous.

                                1. re: fmed

                                  Yes, Stockholm is expensive. First, and only, time I spent more than $500 Cdn on a meal was in Stockholm. Can't remember name of the place...but it was worth it!

                                  Gothenburg is pretty good too...maybe better for mid-range places.

                            2. re: fmed

                              I have been to Chicago, Sydney and Vancouver and my humble opinion is that Hong Kong's cuisine standard is way way ahead of those three cities.

                              1. re: FourSeasons

                                I'm from Vancouver and I agree with you about Vancouver vs HK.

                                1. re: fmed

                                  I rate Vancouver ahead of Chicago and Sydney.