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rds246 Apr 10, 2008 10:54 AM

I've been looking all over and I'm having trouble finding a place that carries it. I'm in the West Hollywood area, and I'd like to not have to go too far...
any ideas?

thanks!

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    Diana RE: rds246 Apr 10, 2008 10:59 AM

    Gelson's
    Whole Foods
    Surfas
    Ralph's sometimes.
    Trader Joes
    Cost Plus Imports

    I like Valrhona and Green and Black's.

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      rds246 RE: Diana Apr 10, 2008 11:15 AM

      really? I've called about half of those places and they told me they didn't carry it...

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        Diana RE: rds246 Apr 10, 2008 12:15 PM

        *shrug* which half did you call?

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          westsidegal RE: Diana Dec 24, 2012 09:05 AM

          Diana, i've purchase Dutch Process chocolate in ALL the stores that you recommended.
          i have a suspician that rds246 doesn't know what Dutch Process chocolate is.

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          tablefor1 RE: rds246 Feb 19, 2009 10:17 AM

          The person answering the phone in a grocery store does not always know what that store carries. In fact, they almost never know, and are just dying to get off the phone so that they can get back to helping the customers standing right in front of them. I guarantee those places have it; I have bought it at Whole Foods, Surfas, Gelson's and Ralph's myself.

      2. Das Ubergeek RE: rds246 Apr 10, 2008 11:56 AM

        Penzey's in Torrance, or order it online.

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          David Kahn RE: Das Ubergeek Apr 10, 2008 02:50 PM

          Yep.

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            naboli RE: David Kahn Apr 19, 2009 10:15 AM

            There's a Penzeys Spices (www.penzeys.com) in Santa Monica now. They have it.

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            Mon.-Sat.: 10:00AM - 6:00PM
            Sun.: 11:00AM - 5:00PM

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        2. DanaB RE: rds246 Apr 10, 2008 12:18 PM

          Bristol Farms should have it, as should Gelson's.

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            Frommtron RE: DanaB Apr 10, 2008 03:50 PM

            I think it's more common than you might think. Check the back of the label. Often times the cocoa is 'dutched' but it isn't mentioned on the front label. That could be why the sales clerks are saying they dont' have it over the phone.

            I would bet even a place like Jons has it, although they might not carry the really superb stuff like Valrhona.

            Sorry for the placement of my response DanaB. Responding in general not specifically to you.

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              pharmnerd RE: Frommtron Apr 10, 2008 11:12 PM

              Same here. Had a hard time until read the back of label which stated it's "Dutch processed". Bought Ghiridelli Sweet Ground Chocolate and Cocoa from Ralphs here in Cerritos. Front of label does not say anything about "Dutch" but fine print on back does. Have seen the same in other common chain markets too.

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            Queequeg RE: rds246 Apr 10, 2008 03:25 PM

            In addition to the suggestions above, Mayfair Market will have it, Bay Cities in Santa Monica carries it, and often Peet's will carry a few.

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              Diana RE: Queequeg Apr 10, 2008 04:47 PM

              Mayfaire IS Gelson's

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                DanaB RE: Diana Apr 11, 2008 08:11 AM

                There's still one branch of Mayfair left, on Franklin in Hollywood. Although it's owned by Gelson's, it still bears the Mayfair name.

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                  Diana RE: DanaB Apr 11, 2008 08:50 AM

                  not for much longer. it's going to be totally re done.

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                    Queequeg RE: DanaB Apr 11, 2008 10:56 AM

                    Sorry, that's what I meant initially. I didn't know Mayfair was Gelsons until, I don't know, a few months ago.

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                Burger Boy RE: rds246 Apr 10, 2008 10:24 PM

                Surfas is your best bet with the best variety. King Arthur/Baker's Catalog has a great selection also.

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                  Mr Taster RE: Burger Boy Feb 17, 2009 10:35 AM

                  Exactly... I bought a generous container of Callebaut dutch process cocoa powder there (top rated by Cooks Illustrated) for about $8.00

                  Mr Taster

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                    Mr Taster RE: Mr Taster Apr 20, 2009 03:53 PM

                    Update to my own post... just bought some more of the Callebaut dutch process at Surfas. Price went up to about $10, but it is a very generous amount and is specifically listed as "high fat" cocoa powder. I make the Cook's Country instant hot cocoa mix recipe with it (secret ingredient: pulverized high quality white chocolate) and it's divine.

                    Mr Taster

                2. westsidegal RE: rds246 Apr 11, 2008 07:36 AM

                  try going to the specialty foods area of whole foods and ask the specialty foods manager where their valrhona cocoa powder is stocked.

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                    Ben7643 RE: westsidegal Feb 15, 2009 02:56 PM

                    I've never seen valrhona at whole foods........... where do they usually keep it not with the other chocolate powders like green and black. I've seen it at surfas, from what they told me at surfas their store brand is simply repackaged valrhona.

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                      dustchick RE: Ben7643 Feb 15, 2009 05:33 PM

                      I've seen it in small clear containers with the bulk Valrhona chocolate, not in the aisle with the other cocoa powders.

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                        westsidegal RE: Ben7643 Apr 19, 2009 01:09 AM

                        it is ordered and stocked by the specialty foods dept at whole foods while the other brands are ordered and stocked by the grocery dept.

                    2. wyatt3290 RE: rds246 Apr 11, 2008 10:23 AM

                      I think Pavilion's has it too.

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                        smfoodie RE: rds246 Apr 11, 2008 10:49 AM

                        Just bought some the other day at Surfas.

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                          mbh65 RE: rds246 Apr 11, 2008 11:20 AM

                          I agree with Diana. You should find it at the WF in WeHo no problem, you just will need to go in the store and look at the labels.

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                            Jerome RE: rds246 Apr 11, 2008 02:40 PM

                            the cheapest brand is van houten and it's available. Look on the side of any box of chocolate for cocoa and it should say dutch processed. droste is also fine and relatively inexpensive.

                            1. notmartha RE: rds246 Apr 13, 2008 06:56 PM

                              I had the opposite problem - need to find cocoa that is NOT dutch processed. Looked up in Wiki, and dutch process just means it is processed with alkali. So if you look at the ingredient list and it list cocoa with alkali it's dutch processed, even when it doesn't say so on the cover.

                              http://www.joyofbaking.com/cocoa.html

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                                buttermarblepopcorn RE: notmartha Apr 13, 2008 07:23 PM

                                Yeah, that's funny, 'cause I was going to say that in fact most powdered cocoa IS Dutch-processed, partly because it tastes less acidic and leaves a more pleasant aftertaste. But it also results in a slightly less chocolatey flavor.

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                                  Mr Taster RE: buttermarblepopcorn Feb 17, 2009 10:42 AM

                                  Re less chocolatey flavor, that's not true.... in the cooks illustrated tasting panel, they evaluated 10 different kinds of cocoa powder (alkalized and natural) in blind tastings, from Valrhona to Nestle, Droste to Scharffen Berger to Hershey's and more.

                                  Their blind tastings were done in several applications-- hot chocolate, shortbread, low-fat chocolate pudding, devil's food cake, and chocolate pudding cake.

                                  The surprising results were that the Dutch process actually imparts a deeper chocolate flavor because the Dutching process eliminates only the fundamentally acidic components--sour, bitter, astringent, fruity, while leaving the chocolately flavor elements intact, allowing them to shine through.

                                  http://cooksillustrated.com/tastetest...

                                  Mr Taster

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                                  Debbie W RE: notmartha Apr 13, 2008 08:25 PM

                                  Isn't regular old Hershey's Cocoa Powder not dutched? You know, the stuff we used in the old days when recipes called for unsweetened cocoa powder. I have some and the ingredients just say "cocoa" so is that a help? I have both kinds from Penzey's but in the past when I've used Hershey's I've always assumed it's "regular" not dutched.

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                                    Frommtron RE: Debbie W Apr 13, 2008 11:40 PM

                                    That's right. I think Hershey's has (recently?) started selling a dutched cocoa under the 'Special Dark' label.

                                    Either way, both should be very easily obtained but the shopper must read the label to determine what kind of cocoa they are buying.

                                    Incidentally, Scharfenberger is NOT dutched (not surprising since they are owned by Hershey,s which is also not dutched) and Valrhona IS dutched. Those are proabbly the most common high-end brands a shopper will encounter in a good store.

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                                      Jerome RE: Frommtron Apr 14, 2008 01:22 AM

                                      I believe that the alkali processing of the cocoa makes the powder more soluble. But i leave it to someone else here to find out and post it on another board.

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                                        Frommtron RE: Jerome Apr 14, 2008 09:36 AM

                                        *Science Geek Warning*

                                        Totally possible. It changes the pH of the cocoa so that you can't really use baking soda as a levener if you use the dutched stuff since soda needs an acid to react with to produce CO2. Cocoa is naturally acidic but after being dutched it is alkaline. Baking powder can be substituted though since that is self-levening.

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                                          Mr Taster RE: Frommtron Apr 23, 2009 09:56 AM

                                          Yes indeed.... baking powder is just baking soda with an acidic element or two mixed in (like cream of tartar).

                                          The upshot of this is that if you add water to baking soda, nothing happens... but if you add water to baking powder, thus combining the base element and the acidic element, it fizzes like a junior high school volcano science project.

                                          (That's a slight exaggeration.... you do get a much more violent reaction from adding an acid like vinegar to baking soda than you do from adding water to baking powder... but the concept is the same)

                                          Mr Taster

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                                            Burger Boy RE: Mr Taster May 30, 2009 06:34 PM

                                            Baking powder also reacts twice, once from the liquid and once from the heat.

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                                      alkapal RE: Debbie W Aug 29, 2008 07:57 AM

                                      hershey's regular cocoa powder is not dutched. the new "special dark" is dutched.

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                                        sharons RE: alkapal Nov 22, 2009 09:16 AM

                                        It may be dutched, but it's disgusting. They had a dutch processed cocoa powder they sold for a few years that was fabulous. The "Special Dark" is definitely dark, it turns your cookies and cakes BLACK

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                                      hmm2 RE: notmartha Dec 24, 2012 08:46 PM

                                      Scharffen Berger isn't dutched and, as of today,12-24-2012, Surfas has undutched cocoa in stock.

                                    4. katydid13 RE: rds246 Apr 14, 2008 05:13 AM

                                      If you think you might need more than a small amount, I recommend going to Surfa's and getting the Valrhona. I can't remember the exact amount it contains, but it looks like at least 2 cups. I've had wonderful results with it, too.

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                                        westsidegal RE: katydid13 Apr 22, 2009 09:56 PM

                                        surfas sells the valrhona in 1lb. plastic jars

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                                        hmm2 RE: rds246 Aug 28, 2008 10:14 PM

                                        Whole Foods on Fairfax and Santa Monica carrries Valrhona, but back with the cheeses, not with the baking ingredients.

                                        1. Kate is always hungry RE: rds246 Aug 28, 2008 10:42 PM

                                          Have you found it yet? I was looking a while back and read online that Hershey's made and it was carried by Gelson's. Gelson's said they discontinued it but may have some left on clearance. No luck. I found a one pound box of Baker's Choice Premium Dutch Cocoa from Holland at Little Jerusalem on Pico Blvd., near Robertson. It was about $3 or $4.

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                                            Diana RE: Kate is always hungry Aug 29, 2008 07:34 AM

                                            Gelson' s carries Green and Blacks, far superior to Hersey's, in all stores.

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                                            coffeebrownies RE: rds246 Feb 15, 2009 02:11 PM

                                            For those of you who, like the op have still been trying to find reasonably priced unsweetened Dutch process cocoa powder l(which has inexplicably vanished from the usual stores), I finally found some Van Houten's brand at Bangkok Market. While the Valhrona at Surfas etc is indubitably better quality, it is sometimes just a lot less inhibiting to bake with the cheap stuff...

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                                              BEN92555 RE: rds246 Feb 19, 2009 01:13 PM

                                              This is so strange..Please forgive me, but I saw this in Ross(yes dress 4 less) in the home section (in Sierra Madre where the gold line ends) I was looking for a sauce pan and I saw this and thought to myself, "what is this, can I make icing with it". Yes, it was the first time I had seen this and now less than a week later I find someone looking for it. I love the internet!!!

                                              1. a213b RE: rds246 Mar 30, 2009 08:41 PM

                                                Just a head's up that I was having a heck of a time finding this (checked Ralphs, Gelsons, TJ, Pavillions, Williams-Sonoma, Sur La Table ... etc etc).

                                                I was able to find SOME at Williams-Sonoma, but it was Dutch Processed and also had a bit of Vanilla in it, which may be fine for some, but not a baking control freak like me. I FINALLY found some that was purely Cocoa processed with Alkali after literally going from store to store at the Gelsons in Encino (despite checking already at the one in Studio City). It's Valhrona, and they also had another alternative that was actually made in Holland.

                                                Again, just FYI.

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                                                  katydid13 RE: a213b Apr 20, 2009 06:22 PM

                                                  Surfas carries Valrhona's.

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                                                    westsidegal RE: katydid13 Apr 20, 2009 08:39 PM

                                                    as does whole foods, albeit at a higher price.

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                                                      Mr Taster RE: westsidegal Apr 21, 2009 05:11 AM

                                                      Hm, so many people here seem stuck on Valrhona.

                                                      In 2005, Cooks Illustrated did a blind taste test of natural and dutched cocoa powders. Scharffen Berger, Hershey's, Ghiradelli, Nestle, Schokinag and, yes, Valrhona were all "NOT RECOMMENDED". In hot cocoa and shortbread,

                                                      With Valrhona cocoa specifically, tasters detected overtones of “hot dog” as well as “burnt, woody, smoky” flavors. As one taster put it, “Ham is good, but not in cocoa."

                                                      Droste and Merckens were all "Recommended With Reservations".

                                                      Callebaut came "Highly Recommended" because it won consistent raves for balance and rich chocolate flavor. Several tasters were impressed with the absence of bitterness and off-flavors compared with other samples.

                                                      Mr Taster

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                                                        westsidegal RE: Mr Taster Apr 22, 2009 06:40 PM

                                                        i use my cocoa powder in iced blended mochas every single day.
                                                        i've done my own cocoa powder blind taste testing for this purpose.

                                                        for my money, in iced blended mochas, the very best flavor can be obtained by mixing valrhona and cacao barry extra brute (both of which can be obtained at surfas) in a 50/50 mix.

                                                        the scharffenberger tasted too much like cinnamon.

                                                        the very worst was the black onyx cocoa powder sold at surfas.

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                                                          Mr Taster RE: westsidegal Apr 23, 2009 09:51 AM

                                                          What's the flavor profile of cacao barry extra brute? Do you agree with CI description of Valrhona's "smoky" description? I would imagine that in a good blended coffee drink it wouldn't matter since I personally like dark, smoky roasts. But I can see how in a "purer" chocolate application such as hot cocoa, this would be an off-putting flavor.

                                                          Mr Taster

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                                                            westsidegal RE: Mr Taster May 30, 2009 03:56 PM

                                                            Mr. Taster,
                                                            i'm sorry, my flavor-describer capabilities are not up to the task.
                                                            all i can say is that i've gone through most of the cocoa powders at surfas for my taste tests and this combo is, to my palate, the best for my iced-blended mochas. (i also determined that, for me, at least 1/4 cup to 1/3 cup of cocoa powder is necessary to achieve adequate chocolate flavor no matter which cocoa powder is used)

                                                            since i don't drink hot chocolate, i can't comment on what would taste better to me in hot cocoa.

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                                                    westsidegal RE: a213b Apr 22, 2009 09:58 PM

                                                    cocoa processed with alkali, IS dutch processed.

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                                                    taurus64 RE: rds246 Apr 19, 2009 01:02 AM

                                                    I am also looking for Hersheys dutch processed cocoa powder. forgive my ignorance but the last time i used this brand was 8 yrs. ago. Can anyone help me? My recipe calls for valrhona and hersheys.

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                                                      westsidegal RE: taurus64 Apr 19, 2009 01:08 AM

                                                      i can't imagine a recipe that wouldn't be improved by using more of the better-quality cocoa powder to substitute for the lesser-quality powder.

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                                                        taurus64 RE: westsidegal Apr 19, 2009 01:19 AM

                                                        actually the cake will be valrhona and the fudge will be hersheys . both dutch processed.
                                                        if it's true that there is no hersheys dutch anymore.. i will be using the valrhona for both
                                                        thanks westsidegal!

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                                                      mangefromage RE: rds246 Apr 21, 2009 03:26 PM

                                                      I get it at Surfas

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                                                        taurus64 RE: mangefromage Apr 22, 2009 09:50 AM

                                                        Are you referring to Hersheys dutch processed cocoa powder or the valrhona?

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                                                          Mr Taster RE: taurus64 Apr 22, 2009 10:26 AM

                                                          mangrfromage replied to the original post, which was not brand specific.

                                                          But really, the only answer worth anything is that Surfas sells Callebaut brand Dutch process cocoa powder.

                                                          Mr Taster

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                                                            taurus64 RE: Mr Taster Apr 23, 2009 09:38 AM

                                                            I have never used callebaut brand dutch processed cocoa powder..how will you compare this to valrhona or hersheys?

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                                                              Mr Taster RE: taurus64 Apr 23, 2009 09:48 AM

                                                              Hershey's: The most common supermarket cocoa for generations conjured up nostalgic comments. “Am I in a ski lodge sitting by the fire?” But there were complaints about astringency, bitterness, and off-flavors “like molasses.”

                                                              Valrhona was covered above.

                                                              Mr Taster

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                                                                taurus64 RE: Mr Taster Apr 24, 2009 09:49 AM

                                                                Can I buy Callebaut dutch processed cocoa in Whole Foods? we dont have surfas here.
                                                                Also..is there anyone has a great and tested fudge frosting (using a dutch processed cocoa powder)
                                                                that will not melt to a chocolate cake...my recipe for fudge frosting was taking forever..

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                                                                  Mr Taster RE: taurus64 Apr 24, 2009 10:17 AM

                                                                  If you don't have a specialty goods store near you, your best bet is to but it mail order from a place like this:

                                                                  http://chocolatesource.com/products/d...

                                                                  Mr Taster

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                                                                    westsidegal RE: Mr Taster May 30, 2009 03:58 PM

                                                                    also, surfas sells their stuff online.

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                                                                Das Ubergeek RE: taurus64 Apr 23, 2009 09:49 AM

                                                                Let's put it this way: Callebaut is a beautiful, fragrant, well-cared for Banon cheese that has been lovingly bathed in eau-de-vie and wrapped only in organically-grown chestnut leaves.

                                                                Hersheys is an expired tin of Day-Glo E-Z Cheez.

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                                                                  taurus64 RE: Das Ubergeek Apr 24, 2009 09:50 AM

                                                                  I will try that brand !

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                                                                    Burger Boy RE: Das Ubergeek May 30, 2009 06:37 PM

                                                                    Waxing poetic! Sweet!

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                                                            coffeebrownies RE: rds246 Aug 1, 2009 05:38 PM

                                                            Another dutch processed chocolate sighting! Droste at Joan's on Third (but $12.00--ouch).

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                                                              coffeebrownies RE: coffeebrownies Oct 25, 2009 10:05 PM

                                                              Reopening this thread because dutch processed has disappeared from the shelves of my go-to bargain source--Bangkok Market. I know I can get Valhrona at Surfas, or per my previous posting, Droste at Joan's on Third--but given that other bakers in my family use the stuff pretty indiscriminately, I would love to find another budget source. (It used to be so reasonable at TJs and Cost Plus). Any recent sightings?

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                                                                Burger Boy RE: coffeebrownies Oct 26, 2009 09:40 AM

                                                                I think Gelson's has Droste and I think you are right about Trader Joe's. I would also check some of the big Asian Markets in San Gabriel, if you are out that way. I buy my Cafe Du Monde coffee with Chickory there for $5.95 and it is $8 to $11 at Gelson's and Surfas. Those Asian markets have some great bargains. The even have great bread for sliders, dirt cheap!

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                                                                  Das Ubergeek RE: coffeebrownies Oct 26, 2009 12:38 PM

                                                                  I just buy mine at Penzeys. You can get it in large bags and, if you call them, they will also send you larger sizes than they have online.

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                                                                    JackonCrack RE: Das Ubergeek Oct 26, 2009 01:23 PM

                                                                    i second Penzeys. You can pick up a normal 8oz of Cocoa for around $5 IIRC.

                                                                    The Santa Monica Penzyes is as good as the Torrance one.

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                                                                foodiesgf RE: rds246 Dec 23, 2012 06:20 PM

                                                                I can confirm that Cost Plus World Market carries it as of December 2012. I just got it there today. They carry Droste cocoa, a Dutch brand. This is the one: http://www.amazon.com/Droste-DC9727-C..., except it costs about $3.50, so it's much cheaper than Amazon.

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                                                                  hmm2 RE: foodiesgf Dec 24, 2012 08:47 PM

                                                                  As of today, Surfas had in stock Valrhona, Callebaut, Black Onyx, Cacao Barry (not extra brute), and Rodelle.

                                                                  Gelson's in WeHo had the selection in the attached photo.

                                                                   
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