508070 Thu Apr 10 10:54:12 -0700 2008 71 2 Los Angeles Area 0 3581298 I've been looking all over and I'm having trouble finding a place that carries it. I'm in the West Hollywood area, and I'd like to not have to go too far... any ideas? thanks! Thu Apr 10 10:54:12 -0700 2008 72532 rds246 1 3581325 Gelson's Whole Foods Surfas Ralph's sometimes. Trader Joes Cost Plus Imports I like Valrhona and Green and Black's. Thu Apr 10 10:59:24 -0700 2008 3581298 11201 Diana 2 3581398 really? I've called about half of those places and they told me they didn't carry it... Thu Apr 10 11:15:36 -0700 2008 3581325 72532 rds246 3 3581674 *shrug* which half did you call? Thu Apr 10 12:15:12 -0700 2008 3581398 11201 Diana 3 4432691 The person answering the phone in a grocery store does not always know what that store carries. In fact, they almost never know, and are just dying to get off the phone so that they can get back to helping the customers standing right in front of them. I guarantee those places have it; I have bought it at Whole Foods, Surfas, Gelson's and Ralph's myself. Thu Feb 19 11:17:04 -0800 2009 3581398 173377 tablefor1 1 3581595 Penzey's in Torrance, or order it online. Thu Apr 10 11:56:48 -0700 2008 3581298 10811 Das Ubergeek 2 3582301 Yep. Thu Apr 10 14:50:10 -0700 2008 3581595 10134 David Kahn 3 4608911 There's a Penzeys Spices (www.penzeys.com) in Santa Monica now. They have it. Hours Mon.-Sat.: 10:00AM - 6:00PM Sun.: 11:00AM - 5:00PM Sun Apr 19 10:15:47 -0700 2009 3582301 121719 naboli 1 3581684 Bristol Farms should have it, as should Gelson's. Thu Apr 10 12:18:32 -0700 2008 3581298 11028 DanaB 2 3582473 I think it's more common than you might think. Check the back of the label. Often times the cocoa is 'dutched' but it isn't mentioned on the front label. That could be why the sales clerks are saying they dont' have it over the phone. I would bet even a place like Jons has it, although they might not carry the really superb stuff like Valrhona. Sorry for the placement of my response DanaB. Responding in general not specifically to you. Thu Apr 10 15:50:15 -0700 2008 3581684 101728 Frommtron 3 3583373 Same here. Had a hard time until read the back of label which stated it's "Dutch processed". Bought Ghiridelli Sweet Ground Chocolate and Cocoa from Ralphs here in Cerritos. Front of label does not say anything about "Dutch" but fine print on back does. Have seen the same in other common chain markets too. Thu Apr 10 23:12:33 -0700 2008 3582473 104996 pharmnerd 1 3582404 In addition to the suggestions above, Mayfair Market will have it, Bay Cities in Santa Monica carries it, and often Peet's will carry a few. Thu Apr 10 15:25:06 -0700 2008 3581298 25613 Queequeg 2 3582637 Mayfaire IS Gelson's Thu Apr 10 16:47:30 -0700 2008 3582404 11201 Diana 3 3583902 There's still one branch of Mayfair left, on Franklin in Hollywood. Although it's owned by Gelson's, it still bears the Mayfair name. Fri Apr 11 08:11:15 -0700 2008 3582637 11028 DanaB 4 3584001 not for much longer. it's going to be totally re done. Fri Apr 11 08:50:11 -0700 2008 3583902 11201 Diana 4 3584516 Sorry, that's what I meant initially. I didn't know Mayfair was Gelsons until, I don't know, a few months ago. Fri Apr 11 10:56:02 -0700 2008 3583902 25613 Queequeg 1 3583326 Surfas is your best bet with the best variety. King Arthur/Baker's Catalog has a great selection also. Thu Apr 10 22:24:19 -0700 2008 3581298 11279 Burger Boy 2 4425387 Exactly... I bought a generous container of Callebaut dutch process cocoa powder there (top rated by Cooks Illustrated) for about $8.00 Mr Taster Tue Feb 17 11:35:10 -0800 2009 3583326 17579 Mr Taster 3 4612798 Update to my own post... just bought some more of the Callebaut dutch process at Surfas. Price went up to about $10, but it is a very generous amount and is specifically listed as "high fat" cocoa powder. I make the Cook's Country instant hot cocoa mix recipe with it (secret ingredient: pulverized high quality white chocolate) and it's divine. Mr Taster Mon Apr 20 15:53:29 -0700 2009 4425387 17579 Mr Taster 1 3583809 try going to the specialty foods area of whole foods and ask the specialty foods manager where their valrhona cocoa powder is stocked. Fri Apr 11 07:36:22 -0700 2008 3581298 11935 westsidegal 2 4419961 I've never seen valrhona at whole foods........... where do they usually keep it not with the other chocolate powders like green and black. I've seen it at surfas, from what they told me at surfas their store brand is simply repackaged valrhona. Sun Feb 15 15:56:24 -0800 2009 3583809 76015 Ben7643 3 4420334 I've seen it in small clear containers with the bulk Valrhona chocolate, not in the aisle with the other cocoa powders. Sun Feb 15 18:33:45 -0800 2009 4419961 10910 dustchick 3 4608353 it is ordered and stocked by the specialty foods dept at whole foods while the other brands are ordered and stocked by the grocery dept. Sun Apr 19 01:09:24 -0700 2009 4419961 11935 westsidegal 1 3584336 I think Pavilion's has it too. Fri Apr 11 10:23:55 -0700 2008 3581298 150319 wyatt3290 1 3584480 Just bought some the other day at Surfas. Fri Apr 11 10:49:53 -0700 2008 3581298 114625 smfoodie 1 3584614 I agree with Diana. You should find it at the WF in WeHo no problem, you just will need to go in the store and look at the labels. Fri Apr 11 11:20:30 -0700 2008 3581298 51764 mbh65 1 3585537 the cheapest brand is van houten and it's available. Look on the side of any box of chocolate for cocoa and it should say dutch processed. droste is also fine and relatively inexpensive. Fri Apr 11 14:40:59 -0700 2008 3581298 10366 Jerome 1 3590998 I had the opposite problem - need to find cocoa that is NOT dutch processed. Looked up in Wiki, and dutch process just means it is processed with alkali. So if you look at the ingredient list and it list cocoa with alkali it's dutch processed, even when it doesn't say so on the cover. http://www.joyofbaking.com/cocoa.html Sun Apr 13 18:56:53 -0700 2008 3581298 46671 notmartha 2 3591067 Yeah, that's funny, 'cause I was going to say that in fact most powdered cocoa IS Dutch-processed, partly because it tastes less acidic and leaves a more pleasant aftertaste. But it also results in a slightly less chocolatey flavor. Sun Apr 13 19:23:09 -0700 2008 3590998 24428 buttermarblepopcorn 3 4425419 Re less chocolatey flavor, that's not true.... in the cooks illustrated tasting panel, they evaluated 10 different kinds of cocoa powder (alkalized and natural) in blind tastings, from Valrhona to Nestle, Droste to Scharffen Berger to Hershey's and more. Their blind tastings were done in several applications-- hot chocolate, shortbread, low-fat chocolate pudding, devil's food cake, and chocolate pudding cake. The surprising results were that the Dutch process actually imparts a deeper chocolate flavor because the Dutching process eliminates only the fundamentally acidic components--sour, bitter, astringent, fruity, while leaving the chocolately flavor elements intact, allowing them to shine through. http://cooksillustrated.com/tastetests/overview.asp?docid=9942 Mr Taster Tue Feb 17 11:42:53 -0800 2009 3591067 17579 Mr Taster 2 3591217 Isn't regular old Hershey's Cocoa Powder not dutched? You know, the stuff we used in the old days when recipes called for unsweetened cocoa powder. I have some and the ingredients just say "cocoa" so is that a help? I have both kinds from Penzey's but in the past when I've used Hershey's I've always assumed it's "regular" not dutched. Sun Apr 13 20:25:53 -0700 2008 3590998 10274 Debbie W 3 3591579 That's right. I think Hershey's has (recently?) started selling a dutched cocoa under the 'Special Dark' label. Either way, both should be very easily obtained but the shopper must read the label to determine what kind of cocoa they are buying. Incidentally, Scharfenberger is NOT dutched (not surprising since they are owned by Hershey,s which is also not dutched) and Valrhona IS dutched. Those are proabbly the most common high-end brands a shopper will encounter in a good store. Sun Apr 13 23:40:15 -0700 2008 3591217 101728 Frommtron 4 3591631 I believe that the alkali processing of the cocoa makes the powder more soluble. But i leave it to someone else here to find out and post it on another board. Mon Apr 14 01:22:54 -0700 2008 3591579 10366 Jerome 5 3592514 *Science Geek Warning* Totally possible. It changes the pH of the cocoa so that you can't really use baking soda as a levener if you use the dutched stuff since soda needs an acid to react with to produce CO2. Cocoa is naturally acidic but after being dutched it is alkaline. Baking powder can be substituted though since that is self-levening. Mon Apr 14 09:36:30 -0700 2008 3591631 101728 Frommtron 6 4621800 Yes indeed.... baking powder is just baking soda with an acidic element or two mixed in (like cream of tartar). The upshot of this is that if you add water to baking soda, nothing happens... but if you add water to baking powder, thus combining the base element and the acidic element, it fizzes like a junior high school volcano science project. (That's a slight exaggeration.... you do get a much more violent reaction from adding an acid like vinegar to baking soda than you do from adding water to baking powder... but the concept is the same) Mr Taster Thu Apr 23 09:56:50 -0700 2009 3592514 17579 Mr Taster 7 4728808 Baking powder also reacts twice, once from the liquid and once from the heat. Sat May 30 18:34:22 -0700 2009 4621800 11279 Burger Boy 3 3996364 hershey's regular cocoa powder is not dutched. the new "special dark" is dutched. Fri Aug 29 07:57:52 -0700 2008 3591217 105717 alkapal 4 5200120 It may be dutched, but it's disgusting. They had a dutch processed cocoa powder they sold for a few years that was fabulous. The "Special Dark" is definitely dark, it turns your cookies and cakes BLACK Sun Nov 22 10:16:04 -0800 2009 3996364 1126555 sharons 1 3591761 If you think you might need more than a small amount, I recommend going to Surfa's and getting the Valrhona. I can't remember the exact amount it contains, but it looks like at least 2 cups. I've had wonderful results with it, too. Mon Apr 14 05:13:46 -0700 2008 3581298 113437 katydid13 2 4620466 surfas sells the valrhona in 1lb. plastic jars Wed Apr 22 21:56:09 -0700 2009 3591761 11935 westsidegal 1 3995816 Whole Foods on Fairfax and Santa Monica carrries Valrhona, but back with the cheeses, not with the baking ingredients. Thu Aug 28 22:14:05 -0700 2008 3581298 49911 hmm2 1 3995848 Have you found it yet? I was looking a while back and read online that Hershey's made and it was carried by Gelson's. Gelson's said they discontinued it but may have some left on clearance. No luck. I found a one pound box of Baker's Choice Premium Dutch Cocoa from Holland at Little Jerusalem on Pico Blvd., near Robertson. It was about $3 or $4. Thu Aug 28 22:42:17 -0700 2008 3581298 196419 Kate is always hungry 2 3996291 Gelson' s carries Green and Blacks, far superior to Hersey's, in all stores. Fri Aug 29 07:34:22 -0700 2008 3995848 11201 Diana 1 4419860 For those of you who, like the op have still been trying to find reasonably priced unsweetened Dutch process cocoa powder l(which has inexplicably vanished from the usual stores), I finally found some Van Houten's brand at Bangkok Market. While the Valhrona at Surfas etc is indubitably better quality, it is sometimes just a lot less inhibiting to bake with the cheap stuff... Sun Feb 15 15:11:18 -0800 2009 3581298 200803 coffeebrownies 1 4433386 This is so strange..Please forgive me, but I saw this in Ross(yes dress 4 less) in the home section (in Sierra Madre where the gold line ends) I was looking for a sauce pan and I saw this and thought to myself, "what is this, can I make icing with it". Yes, it was the first time I had seen this and now less than a week later I find someone looking for it. I love the internet!!! Thu Feb 19 14:13:04 -0800 2009 3581298 268221 BEN92555 1 4553100 Just a head's up that I was having a heck of a time finding this (checked Ralphs, Gelsons, TJ, Pavillions, Williams-Sonoma, Sur La Table ... etc etc). I was able to find SOME at Williams-Sonoma, but it was Dutch Processed and also had a bit of Vanilla in it, which may be fine for some, but not a baking control freak like me. I FINALLY found some that was purely Cocoa processed with Alkali after literally going from store to store at the Gelsons in Encino (despite checking already at the one in Studio City). It's Valhrona, and they also had another alternative that was actually made in Holland. Again, just FYI. Mon Mar 30 20:41:22 -0700 2009 3581298 198245 a213b 2 4613229 Surfas carries Valrhona's. Mon Apr 20 18:22:22 -0700 2009 4553100 113437 katydid13 3 4613611 as does whole foods, albeit at a higher price. Mon Apr 20 20:39:26 -0700 2009 4613229 11935 westsidegal 4 4613944 Hm, so many people here seem stuck on Valrhona. In 2005, Cooks Illustrated did a blind taste test of natural and dutched cocoa powders. Scharffen Berger, Hershey's, Ghiradelli, Nestle, Schokinag and, yes, Valrhona were all "NOT RECOMMENDED". In hot cocoa and shortbread, With Valrhona cocoa specifically, tasters detected overtones of “hot dog” as well as “burnt, woody, smoky” flavors. As one taster put it, “Ham is good, but not in cocoa." Droste and Merckens were all "Recommended With Reservations". Callebaut came "Highly Recommended" because it won consistent raves for balance and rich chocolate flavor. Several tasters were impressed with the absence of bitterness and off-flavors compared with other samples. Mr Taster Tue Apr 21 05:11:50 -0700 2009 4613611 17579 Mr Taster 5 4620027 i use my cocoa powder in iced blended mochas every single day. i've done my own cocoa powder blind taste testing for this purpose. for my money, in iced blended mochas, the very best flavor can be obtained by mixing valrhona and cacao barry extra brute (both of which can be obtained at surfas) in a 50/50 mix. the scharffenberger tasted too much like cinnamon. the very worst was the black onyx cocoa powder sold at surfas. Wed Apr 22 18:40:47 -0700 2009 4613944 11935 westsidegal 6 4621777 What's the flavor profile of cacao barry extra brute? Do you agree with CI description of Valrhona's "smoky" description? I would imagine that in a good blended coffee drink it wouldn't matter since I personally like dark, smoky roasts. But I can see how in a "purer" chocolate application such as hot cocoa, this would be an off-putting flavor. Mr Taster Thu Apr 23 09:51:56 -0700 2009 4620027 17579 Mr Taster 7 4728513 Mr. Taster, i'm sorry, my flavor-describer capabilities are not up to the task. all i can say is that i've gone through most of the cocoa powders at surfas for my taste tests and this combo is, to my palate, the best for my iced-blended mochas. (i also determined that, for me, at least 1/4 cup to 1/3 cup of cocoa powder is necessary to achieve adequate chocolate flavor no matter which cocoa powder is used) since i don't drink hot chocolate, i can't comment on what would taste better to me in hot cocoa. Sat May 30 15:56:55 -0700 2009 4621777 11935 westsidegal 2 4620468 cocoa processed with alkali, IS dutch processed. Wed Apr 22 21:58:29 -0700 2009 4553100 11935 westsidegal 1 4608351 I am also looking for Hersheys dutch processed cocoa powder. forgive my ignorance but the last time i used this brand was 8 yrs. ago. Can anyone help me? My recipe calls for valrhona and hersheys. Sun Apr 19 01:02:06 -0700 2009 3581298 283826 taurus64 2 4608352 i can't imagine a recipe that wouldn't be improved by using more of the better-quality cocoa powder to substitute for the lesser-quality powder. Sun Apr 19 01:08:03 -0700 2009 4608351 11935 westsidegal 3 4608359 actually the cake will be valrhona and the fudge will be hersheys . both dutch processed. if it's true that there is no hersheys dutch anymore.. i will be using the valrhona for both thanks westsidegal! Sun Apr 19 01:19:45 -0700 2009 4608352 283826 taurus64 1 4616189 I get it at Surfas Tue Apr 21 15:26:04 -0700 2009 3581298 17189 mangefromage 2 4618251 Are you referring to Hersheys dutch processed cocoa powder or the valrhona? Wed Apr 22 09:50:14 -0700 2009 4616189 283826 taurus64 3 4618365 mangrfromage replied to the original post, which was not brand specific. But really, the only answer worth anything is that Surfas sells Callebaut brand Dutch process cocoa powder. Mr Taster Wed Apr 22 10:26:42 -0700 2009 4618251 17579 Mr Taster 4 4621707 I have never used callebaut brand dutch processed cocoa powder..how will you compare this to valrhona or hersheys? Thu Apr 23 09:38:31 -0700 2009 4618365 283826 taurus64 5 4621761 Hershey's: The most common supermarket cocoa for generations conjured up nostalgic comments. “Am I in a ski lodge sitting by the fire?” But there were complaints about astringency, bitterness, and off-flavors “like molasses.” Valrhona was covered above. Mr Taster Thu Apr 23 09:48:03 -0700 2009 4621707 17579 Mr Taster 6 4625050 Can I buy Callebaut dutch processed cocoa in Whole Foods? we dont have surfas here. Also..is there anyone has a great and tested fudge frosting (using a dutch processed cocoa powder) that will not melt to a chocolate cake...my recipe for fudge frosting was taking forever.. Fri Apr 24 09:49:45 -0700 2009 4621761 283826 taurus64 7 4625179 If you don't have a specialty goods store near you, your best bet is to but it mail order from a place like this: http://chocolatesource.com/products/detail.asp?selection=529&section=10 Mr Taster Fri Apr 24 10:17:59 -0700 2009 4625050 17579 Mr Taster 8 4728520 also, surfas sells their stuff online. Sat May 30 15:58:58 -0700 2009 4625179 11935 westsidegal 5 4621770 Let's put it this way: Callebaut is a beautiful, fragrant, well-cared for Banon cheese that has been lovingly bathed in eau-de-vie and wrapped only in organically-grown chestnut leaves. Hersheys is an expired tin of Day-Glo E-Z Cheez. Thu Apr 23 09:49:00 -0700 2009 4621707 10811 Das Ubergeek 6 4625056 I will try that brand ! Fri Apr 24 09:50:27 -0700 2009 4621770 283826 taurus64 6 4728817 Waxing poetic! Sweet! Sat May 30 18:37:02 -0700 2009 4621770 11279 Burger Boy 1 4909683 Another dutch processed chocolate sighting! Droste at Joan's on Third (but $12.00--ouch). Sat Aug 01 17:38:14 -0700 2009 3581298 200803 coffeebrownies 2 5130814 Reopening this thread because dutch processed has disappeared from the shelves of my go-to bargain source--Bangkok Market. I know I can get Valhrona at Surfas, or per my previous posting, Droste at Joan's on Third--but given that other bakers in my family use the stuff pretty indiscriminately, I would love to find another budget source. (It used to be so reasonable at TJs and Cost Plus). Any recent sightings? Sun Oct 25 22:05:42 -0700 2009 4909683 200803 coffeebrownies 3 5131684 I think Gelson's has Droste and I think you are right about Trader Joe's. I would also check some of the big Asian Markets in San Gabriel, if you are out that way. I buy my Cafe Du Monde coffee with Chickory there for $5.95 and it is $8 to $11 at Gelson's and Surfas. Those Asian markets have some great bargains. The even have great bread for sliders, dirt cheap! Mon Oct 26 09:40:58 -0700 2009 5130814 11279 Burger Boy 3 5132284 I just buy mine at Penzeys. You can get it in large bags and, if you call them, they will also send you larger sizes than they have online. Mon Oct 26 12:38:38 -0700 2009 5130814 10811 Das Ubergeek 4 5132430 i second Penzeys. You can pick up a normal 8oz of Cocoa for around $5 IIRC. The Santa Monica Penzyes is as good as the Torrance one. Mon Oct 26 13:23:14 -0700 2009 5132284 131162 JackonCrack