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cook52 Apr 7, 2008 02:45 PM

It seems to me that this lady has lost more challenges than has won. I watched yesterday to see if they showed her winning numbers vs losing, I didn't see it. Does anyone know?

thanks

  1. alkapal May 26, 2008 07:11 AM

    i saw her in ica battle honey against chef faulkner, and cat was wearing a very traditional wedding ring set. anyone?

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      ccbweb May 26, 2008 12:34 PM

      Which is notable because?

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        alkapal May 27, 2008 06:28 AM

        is she newly married? i hadn't noticed the prominent bridal set in the past....

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          ccbweb May 27, 2008 11:43 AM

          Not sure if there was a recent ceremony, I know she's had a partner, Jennifer, for some years now and that they have two sons.

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      yankeefan May 19, 2008 06:58 AM

      I have to say, I like her and her cooking attitude style for really no solid reason. Does she have any restaurants on the East Coast? Id be eager to try out some of her food.

      She seems very divisive- love or hate her.

      1. Suzy Q May 16, 2008 10:10 AM

        I don't know why, but Cat has just always rubbed me the wrong way. IMHO, it seems that her food is always overdone, overembellished, etc. I was quite pleased to see the local chef from one of my favorite restos (Walter Royal from the Angus Barn in Raleigh, NC) kick the stuffing out of her on ICA last year.

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          soleado123 Apr 16, 2008 05:38 PM

          I like Cat. She's sharp/smart and her dishes are appealing to me.

          1. AnnVL Apr 14, 2008 03:26 PM

            I missed that episode and was quite disappointed as I like watching her cook. I have a girl crush on her. I'm amused that someone interprets her as "angry" - I wonder if the same is said about the men contenders, hmm. I agree with the others who instead interpret her as intense - and bravo for it.

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              dhedges53 Apr 15, 2008 03:39 PM

              Yeah, clearly a double standard, as I see a lot of "angry" men on that show. I have a "guy crush" on Cat Cora, even though I know she is gay. She has a beautiful companion, and two beautiful kids. She looks extremely serious to me, but not angry. I bet she'd be fun to hang out with, though.

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                southernitalian Apr 15, 2008 03:40 PM

                Wow. In one week I learned she was gay and Greek. Makes me like her more.

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                  Withnail42 Apr 15, 2008 05:36 PM

                  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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                    Phaedrus Apr 15, 2008 06:42 PM

                    What do you have against Greeks? ;)

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                  AnnVL Apr 16, 2008 04:18 AM

                  Completely agree - though this changes everything about my crush (in a good way). My hubby also has a crush on her. But now I'm thinking - my crush is actually much more interesting - and this will not necessarily disappoint the hub, lol. [rolls eyes]

                  Personally, I like the fact that she never smiles gratuitously, as so many of us women are wont to do - me included at times.

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                chowfamily Apr 9, 2008 09:38 AM

                I really liked the breakfast to dinner interplay with Cora and Oringer - much to be learned from both!

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                  blueheron Apr 10, 2008 09:29 PM

                  Ken's guy Rick Billings is no longer with him. Perhaps only joined him as sous chef for the taping. Rick was pastry chef at Clio.

                  From The Boston Globe 4/09/08
                  http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/food/...

                  "But former Clio pastry chef Rick Billings (currently executive pastry chef at L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon in Manhattan) helped ensure victory with his space-age party trick. Served with hazelnut ice cream and a dusting of fennel pollen, it most resembled a dinosaur egg that broke open to reveal a crystallized chocolate center.

                  Who is next? Took him a while to grab up Rick when Alex left. Congrats on the win and new job, Rick!

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                    chowfamily Apr 15, 2008 05:10 PM

                    That's interesting, and may explain what looked like tension at the recent Clio pastry event. It was puzzling, since Billings' dessert was creative and delicious.

                2. Withnail42 Apr 8, 2008 09:34 AM

                  What qulifications does she even have to be lauded as such a culinary powerhouse? I'm not saying she doesn't have them I just don't know what they are...

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                    Ralphie_in_Boston Apr 8, 2008 10:16 AM

                    CIA graduate, apprenticeship with Roger Verge, Executive Chef for Bon Appetit....anything specific you were looking for?

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                      limster Apr 8, 2008 11:53 AM

                      I believe she trained in George Blanc's kitchen as well.

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                        Withnail42 Apr 8, 2008 01:30 PM

                        Like I said just did not know her back ground.

                        But other than education any long term kitchen experience?

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                          cleveland park Apr 8, 2008 02:12 PM

                          Any James Beard Award perhaps? michelin star? actual restaurant experience post apprenticeship?

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                            KTinNYC Apr 8, 2008 05:03 PM

                            http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/cat_c...

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                              Clarkafella Apr 10, 2008 10:13 PM

                              That link led me to Cat Cora's own web site- looks like it might be worth checking out if you are a fan:

                              http://www.catcoracooks.com/about.html

                    2. alkapal Apr 8, 2008 05:43 AM

                      cat cora always looks angry to me.... not very appealing to watch -- or root for.

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                        Ralphie_in_Boston Apr 8, 2008 09:17 AM

                        I disagree...I interpret that look as intensity, not anger. Combine Greek intensity with Greek-inspired cooking and what's not to like? And ouzo shots all around when the 60 minutes is up, that's not angry.

                        I see your point though: on one episode she was ripping one of her assistants a new one for improperly scaling a fish. She hadn't lost her cool, wasn't yelling or throwing things, and she was right, they messed up, so she called 'em out on it. Still, she seemed more disappointed than angry and that just showed she cares about her product.

                      2. tatamagouche Apr 8, 2008 05:30 AM

                        On that note, did anyone from Boston watch on Sunday? I only got to see the beginning—how did our Ken O. do?

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                          sibeats Apr 8, 2008 08:21 AM

                          Ken Oringer won. It was one of the best ICA shows I've seen (and I've seen them all)! I was really impressed with his food, as were the judges. It was a pretty close one though, and I did think that Cat Cora stepped up her game from her past performances.

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                            tatamagouche Apr 8, 2008 08:22 AM

                            Yay for Ken!

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                          cook52 Apr 7, 2008 03:45 PM

                          I know it is just a show but they are the ones who started keeping score, I just got caught up with it. No real emotion on it.

                          PS: I think Bobby has won at least 2 throwdowns.

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                            stellamystar Apr 7, 2008 07:19 PM

                            I always kind of feel bad for the other guy when Bobby wins.

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                              dhedges53 Apr 7, 2008 11:22 PM

                              If you ask me, the "Throwdown" is something that he doesn't want to win. He show's somebody up, who has been cooking something for years and years. He has to lose, otherwise, it doesn't look good.

                              Hey, I like him as a chef, but the "Throwdown" show is something that turns people on to a whole host of American Cooking. If he wins, it is a slight to what America eats on a daily basis. I'd still like to know how many of those shows versus how many he has done, that he has won. It can't be many.

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                                psb Apr 8, 2008 07:33 AM

                                I havent watched that many of the Throwdowns,
                                but I think it's a little rigged for him to lose. For example,
                                I was half-watching the PUFFY TACO episode where one of the
                                criteria was "authenticity" and he didnt even try to make it authentic,
                                so he basically tossed he scoring to the "native". And at least in that
                                episode, it was pretty obvious which was the native dish and which
                                was Flay's.

                                If the had asked judged with no context "which tastes better, A or B"
                                the results may come out differently ... or more fancifully, used a
                                "revealed preference" system like giving people a taste of a A and B
                                and then seeing which one people are willing to pay more money
                                for.

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                                  Missi Apr 8, 2008 02:44 PM

                                  That's what I've noticed in most Throwdowns. He has to compete with a dish that is "native" to the area, and he doesn't stay "native" to the dish. He always makes it "his" way. I think that's why he looses so much. Like in the episode where he went against the two brothers that made muffelatta's. Flay used mayo on his, and that is a sin! Of course he lost.

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                                    jgg13 Apr 10, 2008 12:31 PM

                                    The scoring categories often seem to be set up to favor the other person.

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                              cook52 Apr 7, 2008 03:02 PM

                              thanks sibeats & Ralphie, I guess she is doing better than I thought, but Marimoto better get with the program.

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                                Phaedrus Apr 7, 2008 03:38 PM

                                Um, its a show. Like the last thing they care about is who wins.

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                                  sibeats Apr 8, 2008 08:19 AM

                                  If you've ever seen the "chefography" episode about Bobby Flay you'll change your mind about them caring about winning!

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                                    Phaedrus Apr 8, 2008 08:46 AM

                                    And I should trust Chefography because?

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                                      Withnail42 Apr 8, 2008 09:28 AM

                                      Because why would FN want to give us the wrong impression...?

                                      Although I'd pay to see episode about Robert Irivne that was set to air. Which for some unexplained resaon never happened.

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                                        Phaedrus Apr 8, 2008 10:08 AM

                                        To pump up the FN audience for more of the same. This is a competitive society and you have to cater to it, but it is terrible for the Throwdown show if Flay whups up on the throwdown victims, no one would watch. So they have to create the illusion that there is competition going on.

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                                          Withnail42 Apr 8, 2008 01:33 PM

                                          I've always thought throw down was an attempt to make the big BF more likable.

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                                        sibeats Apr 8, 2008 10:09 AM

                                        Because you would hear Bobby Flay talking about his first experience with Iron Chef and it was interesting to hear from him personally.

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                                    Miss Needle Apr 7, 2008 03:50 PM

                                    I don't think Morimoto's Japanese style sometimes doesn't translate well to the Western palate. He had a pretty good record on the original Iron Chef. A lot of Asians prefer food not as heavy as some Westerners. I think that's why you've got that Asian chick judge alway saying the food is too oily and greasy.

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                                      miss_bennet Apr 7, 2008 07:56 PM

                                      I know! She'll be talking about the most beautiful frites "They're too greasy." Of course they're greasy! They're deep fried! But, as you said, if westerners can't appreciate the light Japanese style, why should she appreciate the heavy American style? Oh that's right. It's Iron Chef AMERICA.

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                                        jlafler Apr 7, 2008 09:33 PM

                                        You may not like her, but if she's going to be a judge, she should say what she thinks, not what she believes is expected of her. If she's really an inappropriate judge, the producers of the show should stop having her on; but that's their call.

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                                          ChefJune May 26, 2008 07:56 AM

                                          <Of course they're greasy! They're deep fried!> Food that is deep fried correctly is never greasy. Even in America!

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                                          jlafler Apr 7, 2008 09:31 PM

                                          The funny thing is that on the old Iron Chef, Morimoto was the "Americanized" chef. He even had a U.S. flag motif on his outfit. He mixed natto with Coke. He was always getting called out by the traditionalists for desecrating the Japanese culinary tradition.

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                                        dhedges53 Apr 7, 2008 02:58 PM

                                        Bobby Flay hasn't won a single "Throwdown", has he?

                                        Hey, it's all entertainment. I don't believe any competition is involved. Any thoughts?

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                                          lrostron Apr 7, 2008 04:00 PM

                                          He has, the "Hot Dog" throwdown against Pink's in SoCal. Episode was shown over the weekend. Seemed the judges liked his toasted buns over the steamed buns of Pinks .... go figure.

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                                            Phaedrus Apr 7, 2008 04:29 PM

                                            He won the inaugural one too, the chowder throwdown.

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                                            sharonlouk Apr 7, 2008 04:46 PM

                                            He won the pie throwdown with the ladies in Maine.

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                                              Miss Needle Apr 7, 2008 05:02 PM

                                              I think he's won less than half of them. I think he's actually embarrassed when he wins -- not the best PR for him. You should have seen his sheepish look when he won the pie contest from the two little old ladies.

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                                                Davwud Apr 8, 2008 09:40 AM

                                                I thought they sorta rigged it so he didn't win. I guess the do let him win once in a while so it seems legit but it would be like a MLB pitcher coming in to strike out me on TV. It's much better TV if I get a hit.

                                                DT

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                                                  jgg13 Apr 10, 2008 12:30 PM

                                                  Yeah, I always figured it was "set up" so that he generally didn't win. I mean come on, its always completely obvious which of the unlabeled items is his and which is the other person's, it'd be easy to do.

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                                                    joeyz May 14, 2008 02:22 AM

                                                    I thought it was interesting that he won the burger throwdown when (contrary to normal) he made a traditional burger, where-as his opponent went with something more unique ( a greek burger)...my guess is the judges thought the greek burger was flay's, and thought they were honoring the "hometown"/tradition, as they usually do.

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                                                miss_bennet Apr 7, 2008 07:59 PM

                                                Didn't he win the chocolate one, too? Though I have to admit, they always have a commercial break before the verdict, and I change the channel! I don't want to see Bobby Flay beat somebody who has spent their entire life perfecting a dish. It's too sad. It just makes me uncomfortable. So I watch the battle, but I don't see who wins. I often do that with Iron Chef, too.

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                                                  cook52 Apr 7, 2008 08:27 PM

                                                  I also feel bad for most of his contenders when they lose. I was happy when he beat the biscuit lady. I had watched her on Martha Stewart and thought she was very silly about her biscuits, when I saw her on Throwdown I was glad he won.

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                                                    alkapal Apr 8, 2008 05:38 AM

                                                    maybe the sadness of the losers can be compensated by the increased publicity their businesses get......(at least the ones with businesses.)

                                                    crying all the way to the bank ;-)

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                                                    youngho Apr 10, 2008 07:51 PM

                                                    Bobby Flay's win record on Throwdown is about 30%.

                                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throwdow...

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                                                      Davwud Apr 11, 2008 04:32 AM

                                                      Just enough to make it seem believable.

                                                      DT

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                                                      yankeefan Apr 16, 2008 06:56 AM

                                                      I think he also won the cheesecake and the grilled cheese recently.

                                                      Love the show because its done in good fun.

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                                                        Phaedrus Apr 16, 2008 07:05 AM

                                                        Thinking about this. I would rather they forgo the judging portion and the corny revelation of winners and spend more time talking about what the differences are and what kind of impact the differences made in people's minds. They can use the "judges" to discuss what works in the original recipes and which changes Flay tried worked and which changes did not work.

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                                                      Ralphie_in_Boston Apr 7, 2008 02:53 PM

                                                      According to wikipedia she's 12 wins 7 losses. This wikipedia article is current enough to include newest Iron Chef Symon, so I assume it's reasonably accurate.
                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Che...

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                                                        sibeats Apr 7, 2008 02:53 PM

                                                        Her record is 12-7 according to Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Che...

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