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Iron Chef Cat Cora

It seems to me that this lady has lost more challenges than has won. I watched yesterday to see if they showed her winning numbers vs losing, I didn't see it. Does anyone know?

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    1. According to wikipedia she's 12 wins 7 losses. This wikipedia article is current enough to include newest Iron Chef Symon, so I assume it's reasonably accurate.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Che...

      1. Bobby Flay hasn't won a single "Throwdown", has he?

        Hey, it's all entertainment. I don't believe any competition is involved. Any thoughts?

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        1. re: dhedges53

          He has, the "Hot Dog" throwdown against Pink's in SoCal. Episode was shown over the weekend. Seemed the judges liked his toasted buns over the steamed buns of Pinks .... go figure.

          1. re: lrostron

            He won the inaugural one too, the chowder throwdown.

          2. re: dhedges53

            He won the pie throwdown with the ladies in Maine.

            1. re: dhedges53

              I think he's won less than half of them. I think he's actually embarrassed when he wins -- not the best PR for him. You should have seen his sheepish look when he won the pie contest from the two little old ladies.

              1. re: Miss Needle

                I thought they sorta rigged it so he didn't win. I guess the do let him win once in a while so it seems legit but it would be like a MLB pitcher coming in to strike out me on TV. It's much better TV if I get a hit.

                DT

                1. re: Davwud

                  Yeah, I always figured it was "set up" so that he generally didn't win. I mean come on, its always completely obvious which of the unlabeled items is his and which is the other person's, it'd be easy to do.

                  1. re: jgg13

                    I thought it was interesting that he won the burger throwdown when (contrary to normal) he made a traditional burger, where-as his opponent went with something more unique ( a greek burger)...my guess is the judges thought the greek burger was flay's, and thought they were honoring the "hometown"/tradition, as they usually do.

              2. re: dhedges53

                Didn't he win the chocolate one, too? Though I have to admit, they always have a commercial break before the verdict, and I change the channel! I don't want to see Bobby Flay beat somebody who has spent their entire life perfecting a dish. It's too sad. It just makes me uncomfortable. So I watch the battle, but I don't see who wins. I often do that with Iron Chef, too.

                1. re: miss_bennet

                  I also feel bad for most of his contenders when they lose. I was happy when he beat the biscuit lady. I had watched her on Martha Stewart and thought she was very silly about her biscuits, when I saw her on Throwdown I was glad he won.

                  1. re: miss_bennet

                    maybe the sadness of the losers can be compensated by the increased publicity their businesses get......(at least the ones with businesses.)

                    crying all the way to the bank ;-)

                    1. re: youngho

                      Just enough to make it seem believable.

                      DT

                    2. re: dhedges53

                      I think he also won the cheesecake and the grilled cheese recently.

                      Love the show because its done in good fun.

                      1. re: yankeefan

                        Thinking about this. I would rather they forgo the judging portion and the corny revelation of winners and spend more time talking about what the differences are and what kind of impact the differences made in people's minds. They can use the "judges" to discuss what works in the original recipes and which changes Flay tried worked and which changes did not work.

                    3. thanks sibeats & Ralphie, I guess she is doing better than I thought, but Marimoto better get with the program.

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                      1. re: cook52

                        Um, its a show. Like the last thing they care about is who wins.

                        1. re: Phaedrus

                          If you've ever seen the "chefography" episode about Bobby Flay you'll change your mind about them caring about winning!

                          1. re: sibeats

                            And I should trust Chefography because?

                            1. re: Phaedrus

                              Because why would FN want to give us the wrong impression...?

                              Although I'd pay to see episode about Robert Irivne that was set to air. Which for some unexplained resaon never happened.

                              1. re: Withnail42

                                To pump up the FN audience for more of the same. This is a competitive society and you have to cater to it, but it is terrible for the Throwdown show if Flay whups up on the throwdown victims, no one would watch. So they have to create the illusion that there is competition going on.

                                1. re: Phaedrus

                                  I've always thought throw down was an attempt to make the big BF more likable.

                              2. re: Phaedrus

                                Because you would hear Bobby Flay talking about his first experience with Iron Chef and it was interesting to hear from him personally.

                          2. re: cook52

                            I don't think Morimoto's Japanese style sometimes doesn't translate well to the Western palate. He had a pretty good record on the original Iron Chef. A lot of Asians prefer food not as heavy as some Westerners. I think that's why you've got that Asian chick judge alway saying the food is too oily and greasy.

                            1. re: Miss Needle

                              I know! She'll be talking about the most beautiful frites "They're too greasy." Of course they're greasy! They're deep fried! But, as you said, if westerners can't appreciate the light Japanese style, why should she appreciate the heavy American style? Oh that's right. It's Iron Chef AMERICA.

                              1. re: miss_bennet

                                You may not like her, but if she's going to be a judge, she should say what she thinks, not what she believes is expected of her. If she's really an inappropriate judge, the producers of the show should stop having her on; but that's their call.

                                1. re: miss_bennet

                                  <Of course they're greasy! They're deep fried!> Food that is deep fried correctly is never greasy. Even in America!

                                2. re: Miss Needle

                                  The funny thing is that on the old Iron Chef, Morimoto was the "Americanized" chef. He even had a U.S. flag motif on his outfit. He mixed natto with Coke. He was always getting called out by the traditionalists for desecrating the Japanese culinary tradition.

                              2. I know it is just a show but they are the ones who started keeping score, I just got caught up with it. No real emotion on it.

                                PS: I think Bobby has won at least 2 throwdowns.

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                                1. re: cook52

                                  I always kind of feel bad for the other guy when Bobby wins.

                                  1. re: stellamystar

                                    If you ask me, the "Throwdown" is something that he doesn't want to win. He show's somebody up, who has been cooking something for years and years. He has to lose, otherwise, it doesn't look good.

                                    Hey, I like him as a chef, but the "Throwdown" show is something that turns people on to a whole host of American Cooking. If he wins, it is a slight to what America eats on a daily basis. I'd still like to know how many of those shows versus how many he has done, that he has won. It can't be many.

                                    1. re: dhedges53

                                      I havent watched that many of the Throwdowns,
                                      but I think it's a little rigged for him to lose. For example,
                                      I was half-watching the PUFFY TACO episode where one of the
                                      criteria was "authenticity" and he didnt even try to make it authentic,
                                      so he basically tossed he scoring to the "native". And at least in that
                                      episode, it was pretty obvious which was the native dish and which
                                      was Flay's.

                                      If the had asked judged with no context "which tastes better, A or B"
                                      the results may come out differently ... or more fancifully, used a
                                      "revealed preference" system like giving people a taste of a A and B
                                      and then seeing which one people are willing to pay more money
                                      for.

                                      1. re: psb

                                        That's what I've noticed in most Throwdowns. He has to compete with a dish that is "native" to the area, and he doesn't stay "native" to the dish. He always makes it "his" way. I think that's why he looses so much. Like in the episode where he went against the two brothers that made muffelatta's. Flay used mayo on his, and that is a sin! Of course he lost.

                                        1. re: psb

                                          The scoring categories often seem to be set up to favor the other person.

                                  2. On that note, did anyone from Boston watch on Sunday? I only got to see the beginning—how did our Ken O. do?

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                                    1. re: tatamagouche

                                      Ken Oringer won. It was one of the best ICA shows I've seen (and I've seen them all)! I was really impressed with his food, as were the judges. It was a pretty close one though, and I did think that Cat Cora stepped up her game from her past performances.

                                    2. cat cora always looks angry to me.... not very appealing to watch -- or root for.

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                                      1. re: alkapal

                                        I disagree...I interpret that look as intensity, not anger. Combine Greek intensity with Greek-inspired cooking and what's not to like? And ouzo shots all around when the 60 minutes is up, that's not angry.

                                        I see your point though: on one episode she was ripping one of her assistants a new one for improperly scaling a fish. She hadn't lost her cool, wasn't yelling or throwing things, and she was right, they messed up, so she called 'em out on it. Still, she seemed more disappointed than angry and that just showed she cares about her product.

                                      2. What qulifications does she even have to be lauded as such a culinary powerhouse? I'm not saying she doesn't have them I just don't know what they are...

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                                        1. re: Withnail42

                                          CIA graduate, apprenticeship with Roger Verge, Executive Chef for Bon Appetit....anything specific you were looking for?

                                          1. re: Ralphie_in_Boston

                                            I believe she trained in George Blanc's kitchen as well.

                                            1. re: Ralphie_in_Boston

                                              Like I said just did not know her back ground.

                                              But other than education any long term kitchen experience?

                                              1. re: Withnail42

                                                Any James Beard Award perhaps? michelin star? actual restaurant experience post apprenticeship?

                                                  1. re: KTinNYC

                                                    That link led me to Cat Cora's own web site- looks like it might be worth checking out if you are a fan:

                                                    http://www.catcoracooks.com/about.html

                                          2. I really liked the breakfast to dinner interplay with Cora and Oringer - much to be learned from both!

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                                            1. re: chowfamily

                                              Ken's guy Rick Billings is no longer with him. Perhaps only joined him as sous chef for the taping. Rick was pastry chef at Clio.

                                              From The Boston Globe 4/09/08
                                              http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/food/...

                                              "But former Clio pastry chef Rick Billings (currently executive pastry chef at L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon in Manhattan) helped ensure victory with his space-age party trick. Served with hazelnut ice cream and a dusting of fennel pollen, it most resembled a dinosaur egg that broke open to reveal a crystallized chocolate center.

                                              Who is next? Took him a while to grab up Rick when Alex left. Congrats on the win and new job, Rick!

                                              1. re: blueheron

                                                That's interesting, and may explain what looked like tension at the recent Clio pastry event. It was puzzling, since Billings' dessert was creative and delicious.

                                            2. I missed that episode and was quite disappointed as I like watching her cook. I have a girl crush on her. I'm amused that someone interprets her as "angry" - I wonder if the same is said about the men contenders, hmm. I agree with the others who instead interpret her as intense - and bravo for it.

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                                              1. re: AnnVL

                                                Yeah, clearly a double standard, as I see a lot of "angry" men on that show. I have a "guy crush" on Cat Cora, even though I know she is gay. She has a beautiful companion, and two beautiful kids. She looks extremely serious to me, but not angry. I bet she'd be fun to hang out with, though.

                                                1. re: dhedges53

                                                  Wow. In one week I learned she was gay and Greek. Makes me like her more.

                                                  1. re: southernitalian

                                                    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

                                                    1. re: Withnail42

                                                      What do you have against Greeks? ;)

                                                  2. re: dhedges53

                                                    Completely agree - though this changes everything about my crush (in a good way). My hubby also has a crush on her. But now I'm thinking - my crush is actually much more interesting - and this will not necessarily disappoint the hub, lol. [rolls eyes]

                                                    Personally, I like the fact that she never smiles gratuitously, as so many of us women are wont to do - me included at times.

                                                2. I like Cat. She's sharp/smart and her dishes are appealing to me.

                                                  1. I don't know why, but Cat has just always rubbed me the wrong way. IMHO, it seems that her food is always overdone, overembellished, etc. I was quite pleased to see the local chef from one of my favorite restos (Walter Royal from the Angus Barn in Raleigh, NC) kick the stuffing out of her on ICA last year.

                                                    1. I have to say, I like her and her cooking attitude style for really no solid reason. Does she have any restaurants on the East Coast? Id be eager to try out some of her food.

                                                      She seems very divisive- love or hate her.

                                                      1. i saw her in ica battle honey against chef faulkner, and cat was wearing a very traditional wedding ring set. anyone?

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                                                          1. re: ccbweb

                                                            is she newly married? i hadn't noticed the prominent bridal set in the past....

                                                            1. re: alkapal

                                                              Not sure if there was a recent ceremony, I know she's had a partner, Jennifer, for some years now and that they have two sons.