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White Plains must-eats for Manhattan foodie

I'm going up to White Plains this weekend and I just wanted to know what are the must-eats in town and the surrounding (within 20 mins) region. I'm looking for something with character, something quintessentially NY suburban, something I won't usually find in New York City.

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  1. To be bluntly honest, there's nothing you could find here in Westchester that wouldn't already have a better version in Manhattan. high-end, ethnic, you name it. If you want quintessentially suburban, I guess it would be a chain restaurant like Applebee's or Zanaro's.

    The only unusual non-Manhattan eats one might argue are Latino places in Port Chester; there are some posts already if you do a search.

    Even Blue Hill has a Manhattan outpost already. But I guess you could get the farm scenery here.

    If you just want to know some decent places to eat in White Plains, you could try Peniche, a modern tapas place. Some of the recent fancy-pricey places here are BLT Steak, 42, Antipasti (all have very mixed reviews thus far). Aberdeen has good Chinatown style food. Sushi Nanase is an ultra-Japanese haute sushi joint. Sunset Grille is slightly upscale Mexican. La Bocca is decent Italian.

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    1. re: jeanki

      I think the Port Chester experience is a good rec-- it's quintessential Chowhound Westchester. It's a little less known than the usual image of Westchester (most people who aren't from here think Westchester and think of Scarsdale), so I would recommend that too. Like jeanki says, the ethnic enclaves of our towns are the only thing that are somewhat unique to Westchester. Adamclyde has great recs, so search for them!

      1. re: i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream

        Are places like Walter's Hot Dog Stand worth the hype?

        1. re: krystle920

          Most don't think so, krystle920. They're worth trying, once. I'm a native, and haven't gone back in years.

          As to White Plains, I can't think of one place that is unique to the area. Most are SO/SO and overpriced for what they are. Two of my recommendations, if you still want to eat here, are Sunset Grille and Bao's. Both are very, very good and reasonably priced.

          1. re: krystle920

            I heard a lot about Walter's when I moved to lower Westchester. I think a lot of the appeal is due to nostalgia. Lots of people around here started going there as children. My grandchildren think it's fun; I can take it or leave it.

            1. re: krystle920

              Absolutely not. I've lived quite close for the last two and a half years and have been only once. I don't get it. It's not that good, in fact not really good at all. Kind of blech. Seems it's a neighborhood institution (like Sal's pizza) and that's why it's popular. At least Sal's pizza makes a pretty good sicilian slice but Walter's does not make good hot dogs.

            2. re: i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream

              I have actually been to Chavin in Port Chester. I was thinking I'll try either Inca Y Gaucho or Misti this weekend. Which one is better?

              1. re: krystle920

                inca y gaucho is a little nicer inside. I find the food there pretty good. The pollo ala brasa isn't as good as misti, but they have good lomo saltado, etc. Plus, half of their menu is argentine/uruguayan so you can find some meats with chimmichurri, chorizo (pork sausage), morcillo (blood sausage), etc. Now, I don't claim the argentine stuff is great. I find it fairly average. But still, it's unique for the area.

                1. re: adamclyde

                  Thanks, I will probably try Inca y Gaucho if we go Peruvian. How about any Japanese hibachi style places? I know it seems very Benihana-ish, but somehow it still seems suburban cool. And I have to admit I like that type of food too. Even though it is probably anti-foodie to say so.

                  1. re: krystle920

                    Edo in Port Chester is hibachi style. It may not be high-end food, but I like it reasonably well. It can get crowded, so call ahead.

            3. re: jeanki

              blue hill at stone barns, is the outpost of blue hill nyc, blue hill nyc is the original and first blue hill

            4. I think Aberdeens is nice for dim sum and chinese that's more authentic than your run of the mill place (its in Marriott Residence Inn but don't let that put you off). Go to New Rochelle (The Little Mexican Corner Restaurant is good, there are others) for authentic stuff- tons of recent immigrants in downtown New Ro, makes for good food.

              1. i agree with jan
                come to downtown(main street) new rochelle and experience the diversity of what is now a true suburban NY town. within a few blocks are three good authentic mexican restaurants, a good irish pub, good upscale indian and a fantastic home style peruvian eatery. if i had to pick only one it would be the peruvian restaurant- since you don't see many in manhattan- the food is very good- service warm- and everyone seems to be happy and comfortable there...
                can't help too much if you are looking for a chain restaurant since they are not generally my favorite...

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                1. re: rochellefoodie

                  what's the name of the irish pub and the peruvian place?

                  1. re: raider

                    cholo's kitchen is the peruvian restaurant and speckled door is the irish pub

                    1. re: rochellefoodie

                      I have never had Peruvian food. what would you recommend if we go there?

                      1. re: rolise

                        Hi rolise. Everyone is different of course but my favorite Peruvian dishes are Papa Rellena and a green spaghetti - I can never remember the exact name. At Misti it comes with a giant piece of breaded chicken - so good!
                        Lomo Saltado and Papas a la huancaĆ­na (yes I had to look that up to spell it!) are popular too. Try the Inca Cola, it's like Mountain Dew on steroids. Although I prefer the purple corn drink, chicha. And of course you can get ceviche.

                        1. re: rolise

                          i would try any of the "saltado" - a stir fry over homemade french fries and rice(alot of carbs but oh so good!)- which you can have with beef, chicken or seafood
                          i also enjoy all of their seafood dishes, but as UB notes everyone has their personal favorites
                          most peruvian food is well spiced but not hot-- but you can add some hot sauces that will really light your fire...
                          have fun, take a few friends and try anything -everything that sounds intertesting

                          1. re: rochellefoodie

                            They look interesting, rochellefoodie. Did I miss it, or aren't they missing their address and phone number on their website (which is a hoot by the way)?

                            Do they serve dinner?

                            1. re: dolores

                              they serve dinner- but may be closed on mondays
                              they also seem to open for lunch most days...
                              if you are around new rochelle earlier in the day(breakfast -lunch) you might want to try G-bakery ( a columbian bakery) for some great empanadas, interesting breakfast specials and pastries. they are on north avenue, east of main street in the shopping center across from the mormon church

                              1. re: dolores

                                Cholo's Kitchen
                                4 Lawton St.
                                New Rochelle, NY 10801
                                Closed Mondays

                                And please check out the "News" section of their website to get a sense of the owners' personalities:

                                1. re: yumyumyogi

                                  Thanks, yumyumyogi. I got there, finally. Interesting food. The tres leche cake was very good.

                    2. White Plains doesnt really offer up anything not found in NYC, but with that said you can get great wings and a wide array of beers at Lazy Boy in white plains or Candlelight in Scarsdale.

                      Other favorites within 20min are:

                      Bagels - Sunshine Bagels in Ardsley
                      Thai - The Thai House in Ardsley is the best I've found in Westchester
                      Steak - I've had a damn good steak at Blue in White Plains also Meritage in Scarsdale
                      Chinese Takeout - Golden Wok in Ardsley
                      Sushi - Sushi Mikes in Dobbs Ferry
                      Wings - Candlelight Inn Hartsdale
                      Mexican - Sante Fe in Tarrytown
                      Greek - Lefteris Gyron in Tarrytown
                      Best Fine Dining Meal - X2O in Yonkers
                      French - Buffet de La Gare
                      Jewish Deli - Epstein's in Hartsdale
                      Pizza - Ardsley Pizzeria (but it's not always great)
                      Italian - anything but pizza and brew (scaramella's, giuseppes, genaro's, etc.)
                      American - Harvest on Hudson, X2O, Blu, Blue, and Meritage
                      Beer Bar - Lazy Boy
                      Bakery - Rivera Bakery hands down
                      Diner - oddly enough City Limits

                      see more here: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/492770

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                      1. re: ginsbera

                        sante fe- weak
                        epsteins-fair to weak
                        x20- good, harvest weak
                        bakery- kneaded bread port chester good
                        city limits- mediocre

                        1. re: ginsbera

                          Sorry, ginsbera, I certainly would not sent someone from Manhattan to Epsteins. It's fair at best and anything in Manhattan would be better, IMO

                          1. re: debmom

                            Agreed. I would also not recommend sending anyone for Chinese food. If they came from the midwest, maybe; but not someone who has access to a million good chinese restaurants in Manhattan.

                            1. re: valerie

                              I'm not recommending they go there, if you look at where my list came from, it came from the best of westchester posting....if someone is already in white plains/westchester then these could be viable options, if they are coming here for food alone, they may want to think again.

                              1. re: ginsbera

                                >>if they are coming here for food alone, they may want to think again.

                                Very true. Isn't that sad?

                                1. re: dolores

                                  I mean I grew up in Ardsley close to White Plains, within 20minutes you could get great to good food at a variety of places, but its not NYC, and it's not Brooklyn (where I live now). They aren't fair comparisons though due to demographics, economy and simple supply and demand. If you want a suburban dining experience do what I did when I lived there was go for dinner wherever or even cook in then go out to a bar, movie or pool hall and then finish the night with Candlelight Wings or Lazyboy wings before going home. That is a suburban night out unless you just want to go home by 10pm which is a different story,

                                  1. re: ginsbera

                                    To the original poster, Sushi Nanase on Mamaroneck Ave. in WP is one fine sushi dining experience. Sushi is fresh and exotic, fabulous sake menu (and omakase tasting menu as well) and the chef makes his own soy sauce. I have taken very fussy people there and they loved the experience.

                          2. re: ginsbera

                            If I may, here would be recs from someone who overindulges in pursuit of food, and this is the passable to great imo:

                            High End:
                            --42 is slammed on Chowhound...I had a great meal there...NYTimes just rated it excellent.
                            --the rest are overpriced
                            Upper End
                            There are a bunch of Italian joints that are good, but you always look at the check afterwards and think: not that good. I live in Downtown White Plains, so we do go to these places for convenience:
                            --Via Quadranno
                            --La Bocca (this has the best personality of the three)...but can smell a bit funky

                            --Peniche is enjoyable enough for Tapas

                            Tango Grill: I have had 4 great meals there: WARNING, one night we had a long, expensive night with many bottles of good wine...on of my business partners swears that they switched one bottle for another on the bill. They denied it. Then we sent our Lawyers there, and they had the same experience (unsolicited). This could be random weirdness...but I track the bill there more carefully.

                            --Bengal Tiger: One of the few EXCELLENT restaurants in Westchester, and better than any other Indian.

                            Average: There are plenty of average Italian joints at average prices...probably the best is Ianelli's (formerly Amangiere) on Mamaroneck Avenue.

                            Now don't throw me under the bus for this...but if you need easy one stop suits all (less adventurous), don't rule out Cheesecake Factory.

                            I have found no really good Chinese, but after 9 years I must admit never making it to Bao's. No great Chinese. Not a sushi freak so I am the wrong guy. No great French. These are the walkables.

                            Asian Temptation is nothing special.

                            Good luck.


                            1. re: Rinjani

                              I live in downtown white plains also.

                              42 - I have had a good meal and a not so good meal... Depends on if Anthony is in the kitchen supervising the cooking.

                              Penice - great for tapas - but very noisy...

                              Antipasti - cold - service and food suppar for what they advertise.

                              La Bocca - good food - warm atmosphere.

                              Via quadrono - corporate restaurant - no personal touch - food so so

                              Bengal Tiger - I am not a fan of Indian Food but love them

                              Ianelies - good pizza and for now that is about it.

                              Tango Grill - have eaten there a lot and always found the food and service excellent. Never had a problem with the bill. Have always ordered a bottle of wine with dinner.

                              Asian Temptation was good when they opened but have gone way down hill. Now have a lot of competion with the new Asian restaurants that have opened and will be opening i the next few months. They better get their act together.

                              Cheese cake facory and PF Changs. very popular with moms and young couples on a date. If you want to take a beeper and sit on the floor for an hour be my guest.

                              1. re: kaaaassss

                                Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssss. Nice Work! Accurate Assessments...other than Ianelli's deserves a bit of a boost vs. what you are suggesting...their portabello mushroom with crabmeet and goatcheese for example is not the norm. Cheers, T

                              2. re: Rinjani

                                Sorry that you missed Aberdeen. It's a little out of the way (ground floor of embassy suites?), but the food is truly outstanding. Just put your self in the hands of the excellent waiters and let them order for you. With 4 or more adults, I would order one of the banquets. Excellent

                                1. re: jwg

                                  have done Aberdeen...thought it was barely above average...guests seem to enjoy but truly nothing special. Only once..will give it another shot..thanks jwg.

                                  1. re: Rinjani

                                    Why don't you ask the waiter if he recommends anything. The meal we had where we asked the waiter's recommendations (older thin man) was outstanding. And he seemed so pleased to be asked.

                            2. I would most certainly recommend Walter's hot dog stand. Maybe there are some others who don't like it and think that it is all hype, but I strongly disagree. Best hot dogs hands down in Westchester and the potato puffs are also great. Lines can be long when the weather is nice, but few people complain and all you hear are raves for these great dogs. I would try it just once to see what you think. There are tons of people who live and die by these dogs and it all ain't just hype.

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                              1. re: chloe4ever

                                Just curious Chloe, what do you like about the dogs and what do you find great about the potato puffs?

                              2. Not to hi-jack this thread, BUT - if you'd never been to the White Plains area - and you weren't from New York at all, let alone Manhattan, but needed to take clients out for a nice meal, where would you go?

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                                1. re: cackalackie

                                  You mean in Westchester, cackalackie?

                                  I wouldn't go to White Plains at all.

                                  I'd go to X20 in Yonkers or Spadaro in New Rochelle.

                                  1. re: dolores

                                    Thanks, dolores. The clients are in White Plains and I expect we'll go out straight from there....How far away are those places from White Plains?

                                    1. re: cackalackie

                                      There is a BLT in White Plains too. Then X2O, which is my favorite in the area, is like 15-20min away tops.

                                      1. re: ginsbera

                                        If traffic is good, Spadaro is 20 minutes, if that much.

                                        I 'think' X20 is more like 30, ginsbera?

                                        1. re: dolores

                                          I wouldnt say 30, I guess it depends on how you get there, it's about 15-20min from me and I'm near Hartsdale.

                                          1. re: ginsbera

                                            Yes, but cackalackie asked:

                                            >>How far away are those places from White Plains?

                                  2. re: cackalackie

                                    You can also stay in White Plains and take them to Tango Grill. I thinks it's overpriced for my own personal needs, but it would nicely suit for entertaining a client and allow conversation.

                                    1. re: Westjanie

                                      I was surprised that no one mentioned Tango Grill earlier. I have not been there in a few months, but I have been pretty happy the times that I have been there. The steaks have a bit more punch than a typical steak-house and the seafood is fresh and flavorful.

                                      Am I the only one?

                                      1. re: KenK

                                        we have thought that it is over priced but the food seems to be good the couple of times we have been sampled. uniquit for NY; who knows?

                                    2. re: cackalackie

                                      Cackalackie, are you looking to impress your clients with upscale surroundings and food, or would a casual neighborhood place with very good food suffice?
                                      If you want to wow your clients with fancy digs and food, bring them to either X20 in Yonkers, 42 in White Plains (rooftop @ Ritz Carlton) or One in Irvington (mostly seafood with a fantastic raw bar). It really depends on what kind of "nice meal" you are looking for.

                                    3. Just to update, we ended up doing the quintessential suburban experience, though perhaps not entirely in Manhattan foodie character.

                                      Lunch on Saturday was at The Westchester mall foodcourt - orange chicken with fried rice. =)

                                      Dinner was at Inca y Gaucho. Lomo saltado and the mixed grill. Good food, but horrible service. Pretty much just ignored by our server during the latter part of the meal.

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                                      1. re: krystle920

                                        Inca y Gaucho seems to be having some staffing problems lately, and service can be hit or miss. I'm a pretty calm and easygoing patron but managed to get pretty worked up several weeks ago when water requested of TWO servers failed to come (I badly needed some at that point.) I was planning to walk across the restaurant with my empty glass and get it myself when others at my table (horrified) finally managed to get the eye (and ear) of someone who actually brought some. The owner/manager is always there, usually sitting near the bar, and I had a polite word with her on our way out. She seemed thankful for the report. We still like the place.

                                        1. re: Westjanie

                                          I think I'm now obsessed with Lomo Saltado. I had it 2 weeks ago and I still want more. Planning to go to Port Chester and perhaps try it at Misti. Is this where I can find the best lomo saltado?

                                          1. re: krystle920

                                            Yes, they generally have good lomo saltado. I also like it at inca y gaucho. However, I've heard (but not yet tried) that the lomo saltado at el plebeyo is even better. I need to try it there.

                                            Pollo a La Brasa Misti Restaurant
                                            110 N Main St, Port Chester, NY 10573

                                            El Plebeyo
                                            25 N Main St, Port Chester, NY 10573

                                            Inca & Gaucho Restaurant
                                            173 Westchester Ave, Port Chester, NY 10573

                                          2. re: Westjanie

                                            My better half and I happened upon Inca Y Gaucho last night and I honestly (and quite unfortunately) would not recommend it to anyone. Famished, we were lured in by the low lighting, fluorescent beer signs, and the (seemingly) happy people dining within. Maybe the server was new to the job, but she was incredibly nervous, saying "sorry" or "excuse me" every time she left the table. Both of the beers we ordered were lukewarm, and one of them was completely flat, with sticky stuff all over the mouth of the bottle. When we asked for another, it took about half an hour for the replacement to arrive. When we ordered another after that, it took so long that the check came before the beer did! Not to mention, the room-temperature tap water tasted soapy.

                                            In terms of the food, the spicy mixed seafood ceviche was possibly the only redeeming factor of the entire experience -- very zesty, though mostly onions and not seafood (two shrimp, two mussels, several calamari pieces, some fish). The fried fish smothered with pepper and vegetable (e.g. once-frozen carrots and peas) sauce was mostly root vegetables and very little fish. The tostones were good, though when we requested some spicy dipping sauce that was taken away with the bread basket, it never made an appearance.

                                            To top it all off, the decor is frighteningly bad. There's a terrifying wooden Native American right when you come in, and a "gaucho" that looks strangely like Chuck Norris perched on the other end of the dining area. So you have two mannequins staring at you as you eat.

                                            The food, drink, service, and decor were all not very good. I'd even venture into "bad" territory. Perhaps we should have tried the meat dishes, rather than the seafood, but I don't think we'll be back to investigate.

                                            But to answer the original question for good food in Westchester, I strongly recommend Horsefeathers in Tarrytown (94 North Broadway). It's "American" food (sandwiches, burgers, etc.) but done well. Their catfish reuben is excellent!

                                          3. re: krystle920

                                            Try F.I.S.H. in portchester...do not go to Ritz Carlton 42..awful decor, awful food...how do you do braised short rib badly..overpriced...sure a great view of White Plains hospital and the rest of westchester - whoop de do da!

                                              1. re: i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream

                                                I tried the lomo saltado at Misti a few weeks ago. It was good, but the atmosphere could definitely be improved. I'm thinking of trying either El Plebeyo or Actuario this weekend. How would you compare the two?

                                                1. re: krystle920

                                                  We ended up eating at Acuario. Their lomo saltado was just okay though. The taste didn't really go through the beef much and it was mostly in the sauce. It was definitely a lot more sauce than normal. Service was great though.

                                                  On a side note, we also ate at Seaside Johnny's in Rye. Pretty expensive for what you get, but I could see why people would eat there, with its location and view.

                                                  1. re: krystle920

                                                    I've heard that the lomo saltado at el plebeyo is very good. However, I don't have personal experience there yet.

                                                    About atmosphere at Misti... that never comes into play for me. As someone on these boards once said... great food creates it's own atmosphere.

                                              2. re: WestchesterFoody

                                                I agree with you on ritz carlton. and blt steak for that matter. I wonder if this "rennaisance" of White Plains will ever take off. Fine dining in White Plains just doesnt seem right. It seems like they should focus on towns with more charm and character if they want people to come, like say Tarrytown.

                                                1. re: RawTunaFan

                                                  I completely agree.

                                                  >>I wonder if this "rennaisance" of White Plains will ever take off

                                                  It has taken off only a little better than New Rochelle, which hasn't taken off at all.

                                                  1. re: dolores

                                                    I feel bad for those who actually bought million dollar apartments in these buildings...keeping it in the CH perspective with what restaurants they have within walking distance, Legal Sea Food anyone?

                                                    1. re: RawTunaFan

                                                      Good point, RawTunaFan.

                                                      Mulino? Iron Tomato is good, according to many here.

                                                      Kisco Kosher is good.

                                                      But worth the price of those apartments? Absolutely not. Give me a cheaper place within driving distance of Central Ave. and I'm happy.

                                            1. just curious, has anyone around the white plains area every tried aquario in the tiny town of west harrison (my hometown), just on the outskirts of WP? there's not much there in the way of good restaurants, but being an italian-american enclave (which is changing of course), there are some great delis, but this place serves fantastic portugese food. granted, i go maybe once/year for easter or some holiday when im in town, but they have really fresh fish, mariscada, pork & clams, delicious sangria, you name it. it's a little on the expensive side for some, but sure is a lot closer than going to newark! it's definitely a must try imo...

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                                              1. re: unocal

                                                unocal, I was there a long time ago, and liked it, but was told that I didn't.

                                                Have you been there lately? I found them expensive, as you say, but enjoyed everything I had. I like Caravela too, in Tarrytown.

                                                1. re: dolores

                                                  i haven't been there in awhile dolores, but i feel they are very consistent (and they've been there for a very log time now so that must account for something). granted, i'm sure being down the road from purchase doesn't hurt, as there's not many dining options around, and especially not of that caliber. you should try it again though, i think you'll enjoy it!

                                              2. My favorite is Abatino's in North White Plains (in the Stop and Shop plaza on rte 22), the food is consistantly great, a bit loud and cramped but overall we love it. Kisco Kosher is the best deli in the area (sorry Epsteins has gone way downhill). For takeout, Dante's on Central Park Ave has great italian specialites (hot and cold). Nikos has great Greek food (also on Central Park Ave.). For a good steak try Willett House in Port Chester and I agree F.I.S.H. is one of the best for seafood there too. Mullinos is a good upscale Italian but its not as good as it was. There are several good restaurants in Greenwich too, my favorites are Barcelona and Polpo.

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                                                1. re: bonacbub

                                                  Had a wonderful dining experience at Tango Grill Saturday night. Tuna tarte and Tilapia Cerviche were so fresh and tasty. We had the steak in a coffee sauce which was unusual and delicious and I had the seafood risotto with tasty large shrimp and scallops. The scallops were the best i have had in a long time - not chewy....Service was on the money and we asked about different wines and the waiter was knowlegable and helpful. Not cheap but worth it for a special dinner. The dining room was busy but we were not rushed and everyone in the room seemed to be having a nice experience.

                                                  Sunday went to the Candlelight Inn for what are the best hot wings and burgers in the area......It's cash only but cheap. The place has not changed in years and years.

                                                2. I've been hanging out in White Plains for the past few months and so far, I've tried the following:

                                                  Chavin - good atmosphere and sangria
                                                  El Plebeyo - short ribs were yummy
                                                  Aquario - too much sauce in lomo saltado
                                                  Misti - could use a bit more atmosphere
                                                  Inca Y Gaucho - bad service
                                                  Walter's Hotdogs - felt like the Shake Shack of Westchester. Awesome
                                                  Candlelight Inn - overrated wings
                                                  Patrias - slightly nicer decor
                                                  Blue Hill Cafe - not worth it for what you get in portion size

                                                  1. Hate to say, but I believe the food in Westchester isn't all that it's cracked up to be. You're better off going to the city (Manhattan), or better yet check out Brooklyn.

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                                                    1. re: dolores

                                                      White Plains has Mulinos, Tango Grill, Peneche, Mortons, La Manda, Sam's of Gedney Way, each good for what they are. On the flip side, Legal Seafood, Melting Pot,Asian Temptation pick any bar on Mamaroneck to stay away from if you want good food and service

                                                      1. re: kaaaassss

                                                        Don't lump all the bars together- James Joyce has good pub food and good service.

                                                        1. re: Wizzapizza

                                                          I stand corrected. Actually Elements has pretty good pub food.

                                                          1. re: Wizzapizza

                                                            I second James Joyce. Their fish and chips is amazing as far as bar food goes!!!

                                                      2. Westchester eats...
                                                        Italian- Mima in Irvington & Tarry Lodge in Portchester
                                                        Spanish/Tapas - Peniche in WP & Espana in Larchmont
                                                        American - Bedford Post Inn in Bedford
                                                        Gastro Pub - The Tap House in Tuckahoe

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                                                        1. re: jburger

                                                          nice mention jburger...the burgers at American Post Inn are Spectacular.