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atrac Apr 1, 2008 06:45 PM

Dunkin' Donuts folded up shop and left our region in the late 90's. They have never come back and nor do they plan to.

Isn't that just ridiculous? Personally, I don't like Krispy Kreme very much. And I *don't* drink coffee so please don't tell me I can the DD Brand get it at Target or Pavilions now.

I want their *donuts.* It's time to eat the donuts.

The company apparently doesn't like us here and I think we should all be offended.

Add your comments here:

http://www.dunkindonutstalk.com/?p=388

if you agree with me! :

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(p.s. that's not my website and this isn't meant as an advertisement or spam. I'm a real person who misses Dunkin' Donuts and really want them to come back to our area!).

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    nubi Oct 19, 2008 09:57 PM

    Try Boston Donuts (formerly Dunkin Donuts) at Imperial and Gilbert in La Habra. I think they're essentially a Dunkin Donuts circa around the time they pulled out of SoCal. In other words, I don't think they have iced coffee or breakfast sandwiches ... but I'm not sure. I go there regularly, and it is pretty well-run ... the Krispy Kreme one block away has come and gone.

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      Big N Fat Oct 17, 2008 01:40 AM

      Gonna stay at Sam's Town Hotel and Gambling Hall in Las Vegas in about two weeks. They do indeed have a Dunkin' Donuts there.....now. I do believe we will take some up to our room with our DD coffee and indulge. I am more of the cake and frosting type donut person. That changes of course when the "HOT" light is on at a Krispy Kreme donuts where I then chow down a bakers dozen glazed puffy donuts. Yummm.
      -BnF

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        yanaBoston Sep 19, 2008 10:54 AM

        Hello everyone, i have great news for all of you, DD is hiring crew members for a store in Torrance, LA.!!!!!! the store is not open yet, but this is definetely great news, i think!
        we just have to be patient!!!!

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          atrac Oct 9, 2008 05:57 AM

          People are reporting that it is a Togo's, so it might have been a template error when they posted the job listing (since Togo's is the same company as DD).

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          womponoag Apr 10, 2008 12:53 PM

          I also miss DD's coffee and donuts. Now that they sell the coffee beans out here I can get my DD's coffee fix with my Grind n' Brew coffee maker. The closest thing I have found out here to DD's donuts is in Santa Monica on Santa Monica Blvd at the corner of 16th St. It is called DK Donuts and Nicole they have the vanilla creme and chocolate creme-filled donuts that you are talking about, and they taste exactly like DD's. DD's does plan to open up franchises in the CA area with the next two years.

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            Nicole Apr 11, 2008 01:06 PM

            Thanks for the tip, I will check it out!

          2. atrac Apr 4, 2008 02:11 AM

            Wow, I just looked at the link to the voting section that I gave in my original post...some pretty rude and juvenile comments on there now. I hope those aren't chowhound people! :(

            1. Azizeh Barjesteh Apr 4, 2008 01:46 AM

              I could stand a DD here. On my recent visit to NYC I stopped in for the famed coffee. Man, it sucked. Could've been an old pot, or just the fact that they had to put in the cream and sugar for me. You think I know the exact number of sugar packets and cream I like off the top of my head? Nay.

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                monku Apr 4, 2008 10:06 AM

                New York thing....you ask for "regular" coffee and you get cream and sugar.

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                  bulavinaka Apr 4, 2008 09:36 PM

                  Same in Singapore and Malaysia... if you don't ask, it's coming fully loaded - condensed milk - and it's surprisingly quite good...

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                    Azizeh Barjesteh Nov 2, 2008 12:42 AM

                    Damn it, the same thing just happened in Vegas too. They're in charge of the cream (which isn't cream, skim or whole milk only.) But at least I got to put my own sugar in this time.

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                  missy85 Apr 2, 2008 01:59 PM

                  I grew up back East, too and always make a point to hit DD to get a coffee (I like the coconut flavor they now carry) when I'm visiting.

                  Side note, but has anyone else noticed that recently there have been many DD ads popping up on various channels out here in Los Angeles? I'm not referring to the ones for the coffee you can buy in the grocery stores, but actual ads for products they only offer onsite (lattes, breakfast sandwiches, donuts, etc.). I don't want to get my hopes up that they're actually planning to possibly come back here...but it does strike me as interesting/odd since in the 8 years I've lived here, I've never once seen a TV ad for them and now I catch one on a regular basis...

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                    atrac Apr 2, 2008 02:03 PM

                    From everything that I have read online, there is zero indication that Dunkin' Donuts is planning on gracing us with its presence any time soon...or ever.

                    Being a TiVo user, commercials are rarely seen by me, so I can't comment on seeing them. But it just sounds like they are spending loads of money on Primetime Network advertising and really don't care that they are indirectly hitting markets that they have no intention of franchising in (since they are National Spots).

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                      missy85 Apr 2, 2008 02:29 PM

                      You're probably right. I just know they've had national ads before that never hit out here, so it did seem like something was up, but it could just be they're flooding more money into blanket advertising. The newly opened one in Vegas might be as far West as they're planning to go...

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                        missy85 Apr 2, 2008 02:42 PM

                        It certainly did well enough to MAYBE open their minds to the possibility.
                        http://www.franchising.com/dunkindonu...

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                          Honeychan Apr 2, 2008 07:08 PM

                          The article only mentions just how much business the first LV franchise did. It was incredible to see, the lines were out the door, and they would run out of donuts every few hours.

                          Right now, here in LV..The baked goods/donuts are ALL made off-property, in a big warehouse next to the LV Int'l airport. Then, trucked to the open shops, and decorated/iced by the employees in-store. The employees they have hired for working graveyard are a TRIP. Some might say "eccentric" but I say "borderline scary"

                          The donuts are still only "okay" and the coffee is weak. Now that I can go there when I wish, I give them a 2 out of 5. Much better donuts to be had other places.

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                            missy85 Apr 3, 2008 11:05 AM

                            I was referring to this section in particular which is located near the bottom of the article I posted:
                            "Las Vegas is part of an aggressive NATIONAL GROWTH strategy, as the company is expanding in existing markets while entering NEW markets throughout the country, with plans to ultimately triple the number of Dunkin' Donuts stores in the United States to 15,000 by 2020."

                            They also reference opening 40 more stores in the region, but don't specify what they mean by region.

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                    Nicole Apr 1, 2008 08:10 PM

                    I am originally from the East coast and I miss Dunkin Donuts, too. Yes, it's partly nostalgia. And partly that donut shops out here don't seem to make vanilla creme, my favorite Dunkin Donuts flavor. It's not custard or Boston creme...it's a bright white vanilla creme filling (also comes in chocolate). If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please tell me where to get my vanilla creme Dunkin equivalent in L.A.

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                      monku Apr 1, 2008 08:38 PM

                      Was called a Bismark....I know what kind of cream you're thinking of...almost like the inside of a Twinkie.

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                        Ralphie_in_Boston Apr 2, 2008 11:12 AM

                        I thought it was called a Bavarian Creme when it had the bright white inside. But my memory of DD is fuzzy because I haven't been in one in decades (as I said in an earlier post....when they stopped baking on the premises, I stopped going)

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                        asb75 Jan 23, 2009 06:39 AM

                        Well.. They don't sale Maple Bars at DD in Philadelphia, so let's say we're even..

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                        bulavinaka Apr 1, 2008 07:14 PM

                        I empathize with what seems to be a nostalgic yearning for something from another decade, but you might want to consider the first two posters' replies. So Cal has to be one of the donut capitals of the world. Search the site for the jillions of postings on donuts. In fact, there's one that is active at the moment - Donut Man is definitely one of the tops here in So Cal. If you haven't ventured beyond DD, I'm hoping you'll be blown away by some of your new discoveries...

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                          MaryT Apr 1, 2008 08:09 PM

                          I hate to say it but many of the mom and pop shops around here serve pretty darned lousy donuts, below average, they never throw anything away (I don't like to myself) and they don't keep track of inventory so often your $2 croissant or your $1 apple fritter is a day or two old. You have to try various places to find the better ones for sure.

                          And Glendora's famous Donut Man is not that close for most of us :-)
                          I'm interested in why Dunkin Donuts left, is it that stiff (I think mostly Asian-run but I guess that sounds wrong to say to many) constituency competition was too darn tuff?
                          Just Wondering, please.

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                            carter Apr 1, 2008 08:23 PM

                            DD left town because the stores did not do sufficient volume per unit.
                            Reason: 1) because the local competitors were good, 2) insufficient numbers of units to be able to support the advertising required to get the message out, 3) the real estate was way too expensive, relative to what the company was used to paying in most other parts of the country, and since their real estate was secured many decades earlier, a unit might not be paying current market rent, and lastly, a less desirable product in the eyes of too many.
                            I have had the product in vegas and feel you can find much better locals, yet not being a donut 'hound, I do not seek them out like some would.

                            1. re: carter
                              atrac Apr 1, 2008 09:08 PM

                              These seem like all valid and realistic points, but then I start thinking about Krispy Kreme. They started opening here a few years after DD left and they seem to be doing very very well. Is DD just a cheap company and KK is made of money that they can afford to be out here? I know a company called Golden Circle Family Foods actually franchises them out here...did they just get lucky?

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                                monku Apr 1, 2008 09:19 PM

                                I'm pretty sure Krispy Kreme is having a tough time out here now. At first there was a lot of anticipation and they flooded the market. I think a few of them are closed now. I think it was the low carb fad that started their downfall besides being too sweet.....my teeth are hurting thinking about them.

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                                  atrac Apr 1, 2008 09:52 PM

                                  And then the other thing that still permeates in my brain is that the same company that owns Dunkin Donuts also owns Togos and Baskin Robbins. We have plenty of Togos and Baskin Robbins in L.A. Subway? Quiznos? Cold Stone Creamery? Mom and Pop sandwich and ice cream stores? We have plenty of those too and those are direct competitors. And the cost of rent is I am sure the same for a sandwich store or ice cream store as it is for a donut shop.

                                  No, DD just doesn't like us.

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                                    carter Apr 2, 2008 11:48 AM

                                    Well, Krispy Kreme came and cornered a significant portion of the marketplace for several years, yet now about half of them are shuttered and converted to other concepts. And their stores were huge and were appealing to customers willing to drive much longer distances than the typical DD shop would be, and also allowing economies of scale in their operation. And they mostly always owned their real estate, which DD does not do.
                                    DD is owned by the same outfit owning B/Robbins and Togo's, yet they locate both of them in the same storefront, and the only reason they did so is that neither could handle the rent on its own. In selected locations nationwide, all 3 concepts are in one shop to try to cover the rent.
                                    But the biggest problem is still trying to get sufficient coverage in the market to be able to justify advertising to promote the stores. How far will people drive to get a DD? They drove significant distances for KKreme in the beginning, yet then it just became another donut.
                                    As to Subway and Quizno's, their average volume is higher than DD, yet neither of them make much money in any given location, with rare exceptions.

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                                      aynrandgirl Apr 10, 2008 12:49 PM

                                      If DD and BR are owned by the same company, why did the DD near me drop its Baskin Robbins store? I can't figure out why, it's not like the repurposed square footage is going to improve donut sales.

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                                        Ralphie_in_Boston Apr 11, 2008 12:42 PM

                                        Maybe more people were buying that crap ice cream than that crap coffee.

                                        Seriously, DD's main product is their coffee, hands down. The line can be so long that they might have thought it worth while to make more room to serve that stuff.

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                                      Ralphie_in_Boston Apr 2, 2008 11:10 AM

                                      KK also had a big Finance scandal (company was overvalued for a while as a result). They tanked here in Boston, which is Mecca for Dunkin.

                                      I personally think DD has royally sucked ever since they stopped baking the product in the actual stores. Trucked-in stale donuts don't do it for me, but I'm in the minority here in New England, where there are seemingly 4 locations on every corner.

                                    3. re: atrac
                                      Arthur Apr 2, 2008 01:29 PM

                                      atrac wrote: "These seem like all valid and realistic points, but then I start thinking about Krispy Kreme. They started opening here a few years after DD left and they seem to be doing very very well."

                                      Sorry atrac, but you are mistaken. After a phenomenal launch, Krispy Kreme got the wind knocked out of it when it was sucker-punched by the anti-carb movement. Its stock plummeted and it closed most of its stores in Southern California. According to the Krispy Kreme website, there are now only 10 locations in the entire area stretching from San Diego to Los Angeles (and I assume farther north and east as well).

                                      I'm sure I'm not the only one who expects a similar fate for Pinkberry.

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                                        atrac Apr 2, 2008 01:45 PM

                                        *gasp* You are absolutely correct. I was doing a little "assuming" there and we know what that makes out of me at least. :)

                                        The two locations that I have gone to (City of Industry and Crenshaw) are still there so when I just checked the Krispy Kreme website it indeed confirms what you say....I managed to go to two of the few restaurants that have experienced no effect to the health food nuts of SoCal.

                                        Before I moved to the Los Angeles area I had it in my head that the people out here were going to be gorgeous, skinny, model types. I have never gotten over the shock I had when I saw the people were just as or even less attractive then people in the midwest. I call it the "Abercrombie model myth" of Los Angeles.

                                        So it's funny to me that it is apparently true that people out here try to eat more healthy and try to be in better shape..blah blah blah. It ain't workin folks.

                                  2. re: MaryT
                                    monku Apr 1, 2008 08:29 PM

                                    Years ago I'd read about Cambodians coming to the US and their business dream was to open a donut shop. Following in the footsteps of a fellow country man pioneer named Ngoy who was a janitor and then amassed dozens of donut stores in Southern California. An easy business from the standpoint that you didn't really have to speak English because buying a donut is a point and purchase transaction.

                                    You might want to read this article when you have time for an insight

                                    http://www.dailyyonder.com/cambodian-...

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                                      bulavinaka Apr 1, 2008 09:21 PM

                                      I used to enjoy DD's donut holes back in the 80s - particularly from the shop that WAS at the corner of Aviation and PCH in Hermosa Beach. Always consistent in quality and freshness.

                                      Like any other competitive business environment involving food, you will find a lot offerings that are below average to average and a lot of people are okay with that - this is why these sub-par places which you refer to survive - and I do mean survive. The most recent Southern California business model for donuts was replicated innumerable times in the Cambodian immigrant community (this is a story in itself). In essence, the donut market was flooded by these mostly immigrant/family-run operations, thereby crowding out just about any competitors whose operating margins were higher than these mom&pop businesses. Companies like Winchell's and Dunkin' Donuts have much higher margins - just their marketing/advertising alone would eat far into their profits, and if the sales volume isn't high enough, time to close shop. These chains/franchises also tend to pay higher rents due to their more strategically placed locations. But location is by no means any guarantee for higher volume in this business - again, because of the large number of small shops that siphon off the business, a donut here, a couple dozen there, previously enjoyed by the chains.

                                      The exceptions to this phenomenon are the donut shops who have carved out a reputation and/or a niche that creates an appreciative customer base. Primo's, Stan's, some of the Royal Donut shops, Bob's, Donut Man, etc., that are similar to the current mom&pop business model - many are family-run, not so location-reliant, little or no marketing/advertising expenses - but usually step it up at least a few notches in the quality and originality department.

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                                      atrac Apr 1, 2008 08:57 PM

                                      I am intrigued by Donut Man! I live in Alhambra so Glendora is not too far of a jaunt for me.

                                      I seem to remember Huell Howser doing a show on that place too!

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                                        monku Apr 1, 2008 09:21 PM

                                        Get out there...probably the strawberry donut is in season.

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                                          atrac Apr 1, 2008 10:26 PM

                                          I was reading about Donut Man and am wondering...do they serve "regular" donuts? I am a simpleton when it comes to the little buggers, and it looks like they may use a lot of fresh fruits in them. To the elitist, that's probably a dream..but I just like sugary frosting and dough. Would I possibly be disappointed if I make the drive?

                                          If only I would have paid more attention when Huell Howser was there!

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                                            Honeychan Apr 1, 2008 10:33 PM

                                            Elitist is so negative..I think connesuer fits a bit better!

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                                              atrac Apr 1, 2008 10:51 PM

                                              Connoisseur it is then! ;)

                                              Someone in another area of this site told me that I will find what I am looking for at Donut Man....so I'm going tomorrow! :)

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                                      swt9876 Apr 1, 2008 07:11 PM

                                      I couldn't agree more, there needs to be a DD out here! I miss the iced coffee the most, especially because you can get one for $2 instead of the options out here.........

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                                        monku Apr 1, 2008 08:06 PM

                                        The hazelnut iced coffee at MCD's is pretty darn good !!! Take it any day over Starbucks.

                                      2. monku Apr 1, 2008 07:04 PM

                                        What's with their website https://www.dunkindonuts.com/ no mention or pictures of donuts.

                                        I grew up on the east coast on Dunkin' Donuts and found nothing spectacular about their donuts. I thought their odd shaped "dunking' donut" was funny, but I don't know anyone who dunks their donuts in coffee except on TV. When I came here I found Winchell's to be just as good and later ventured out to independents.

                                        There's too much competition in the donut business here with good independents and the recent over saturation of Krispy Kreme.

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                                          BarmyFotheringayPhipps Apr 2, 2008 11:17 AM

                                          I actually don't remember the last time I saw a DD ad that mentioned the doughnuts -- their current TV spots are all about the hot food items (none of which sound appealing in the least), and here in Boston, their home market, Dunkin Donuts is universally thought of as a place to get coffee, not doughnuts.

                                          John Krasinski from The Office, a Newton boy, once mentioned on Conan O'Brien that he's seriously thought about taking his money from acting and using it to put a couple of Dunkin Donuts franchises in L.A., simply because he hates not being able to get his favorite coffee there!

                                          1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps
                                            atrac Apr 2, 2008 01:58 PM

                                            I've noticed this whole "coffee" thing as well, and honestly it's mind blowing. I'm so happy that their coffee business is doing well for them (as it keeps them open), but for me as someone who does not drink coffee at all and is highly nostalgic when it comes to donuts -- it's heartbreaking!

                                            In fact, every post I read about Dunkin' "Donuts" that mentions only the "coffee" makes me feel sad. They may as well just stop serving donuts at this point and change their name to Dunkin' Coffee or something. Then at least I won't have to cry over not being able to eat them anymore. (And yes readers, that is sour grapes on my part!).

                                            It's like a Pizza Parlor that ends up being known only for the salad it serves. Quite an unintentional slap in the face if you ask me.

                                            1. re: atrac
                                              BarmyFotheringayPhipps Apr 2, 2008 02:15 PM

                                              Well, that's because the doughnuts are basically inedible now. They're no longer made in-store, but trucked in from central bakeries, and they're already stale when they hit the shelves. You may not be able to eat Dunkin Donuts anymore, but you might be able to take solace in the fact that no one else is able to, either!

                                              1. re: BarmyFotheringayPhipps
                                                yamalam Apr 8, 2008 02:57 PM

                                                Some of them still bake in house. For example, the location at Gilbert & Southern in Mesa, AZ. Also, their beans, which are now selling at Costco, are terrible. They made me wonder if I only like the coffee because it comes with a donut.

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                                                Ralphie_in_Boston Apr 3, 2008 06:23 AM

                                                The most perplexing aspect of the people-going-to-Dunkin-Donuts-only-for-the-coffee thing is that (IMO) the coffee REALLY stinks. I know I'm in the extreme minority here (in New England) but yuck already; it's almost as bad as the donuts there.

                                                I take solace in the fact that I live not far from a couple of the independent donut shops that thrive in the Boston area. Indie coffee shops that serve good strong fresh coffee are also very rare (esp in my neighborhood). Luckily, I can brew coffee at home...but I can't make my own donuts very well!

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                                                  BarmyFotheringayPhipps Apr 3, 2008 09:43 AM

                                                  It depends on the Dunk, I find. One of the eight DDs within a 15-minute walk of my house (you may think I'm exaggerating, but I'm not) is staffed almost exclusively by young Hispanic women, and a coffee with cream and sugar ordered there comes out tasting exactly like the cafe con leche I remember fondly from my years in New Mexico, which to my mind is no bad thing. Although my personal patronage of Dunkin Donuts coincides pretty much exactly with the time of year when it's appropriate to be walking around with a big-ass iced hazelnut cream no sugar, and happily, that time is coming soon.

                                            2. re: monku
                                              daylight Apr 9, 2008 02:14 PM

                                              i moved to boston 3 years ago and i still laugh at how many dunkin d's there are around here.
                                              it's like starbuck's in cali. almost on every corner.
                                              sometimes 2 on one block, and there's always long lines in the mornings.
                                              so funny to me.
                                              i only like their pumpkin donuts in the fall.
                                              i'm not a huge sweets person though...
                                              i gotta admit i do like their coffee though.

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                                                HastaLaPasta Sep 27, 2008 12:55 PM

                                                Wow, I was just going to post exactly the same thing. I just visited Boston for a few days this summer from LA, and was absolutely blown away by how many Dunkin Donuts I saw. It was like Starbucks in LA, only worse.

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                                                  bachslunch Oct 14, 2008 02:26 PM

                                                  Agreed. What makes it worse is that Dunkin' Donuts is awful, except for their cookies, which are pretty good.

                                                  Their coffee is weak tasting and lacks personality. Their donuts are the absolute worst I've had from a restaurant, ever -- dry, leaden, and flavorless. The vanilla coolatas are disgusting, greasy nasty things. The breakfast sandwiches are too gross for words.

                                                  Beats me how they stay in business.

                                            3. Honeychan Apr 1, 2008 06:56 PM

                                              Seriously..Just drive to Vegas, if you need your DD fix. They are -only- okay to me, I would rather get better donuts from hundreds of Mom n' Pop shops in LA that make TASTY, unique donuts.

                                              I wish I could get LA donuts instead of DD.

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