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rschwim Mar 31, 2008 10:18 PM

I've frequented a number of Flushing places (Spicy & Tasty, Little Pepper, Lamb Noodle Soup, Chengdu Heaven, the old Sichuan place in the mall that's closed with the great Dan Dan noodles, Jade Asian for dim sum...)

I'll be in the San Francisco area for about 4 days--Any places I must hit that are as good as/better than the places I know and love?

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    Nancy Berry Apr 5, 2008 04:14 PM

    It's quite a bit off the beat of the SF tourist path, but I really like Zone 88 on San Bruno Ave. in SF. They have a wonderful hot pot menu with a number of different broths, meats and vegetables offered, as well as a Sichuan menu with lots of delicious spicy dishes like dry-fried pig intestines and chong qing chicken wings.

    Here's a link to a discussion of a set dinner that my husband and I shared with some other Chowhounds: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/396330

    And here's a link to a discussion of a Chowhound hot pot meal: http://www.chowhound.com/topics/355697

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    Zone 88 Inc
    2428 San Bruno Ave, San Francisco, CA 94134

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      Chandavkl Apr 1, 2008 01:27 PM

      Numerous dim sum places in the Bay Area are better than or as good as Jade Asian and Ocean Jewels (not to imply anything negative about these two). These would include Koi Palace in Daly City and Asian Pearl, Hong Kong Flower Lounge and Zen Peninsula in Millbrae. The population demographics in Flushing are different than the Bay Area, with Flushing having more Taiwanese and mainlanders (Western, NW, NE China). As such you'd be less likely to be looking for this type of food in the Bay Area.

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      1. re: Chandavkl
        inmandarin Apr 13, 2008 09:34 AM

        chandavkl is right.

        one thing you should understand about flushing chinese and SF chinese is that the two have completely different types of chinese. within recent years, flushing chinese has somewhat become a hub for mainland chinese settlers, which explains the provincial-specific types of dishes and restaurants you've listed like little pepper (sichuan), lamb noodle (henan), chengdu heaven (sichuan), J&L mall (tien jian, fuzhou, shandong, lanzhou, etc), etc. there are still a good number of taiwanese from the influx during the 90s, but now it's mostly mainland/northern chinese. as for SF chinese, it's been the ultimate destination for cantonese chinese cuisine for years. as for what most people have listed on here... in terms of northern chinese, sichuan, or even burmese...they're pretty good. but just not as great as what's offered in flushing. burma superstar is worth a shot, since they prepare everything with local california ingredients. but don't expect it to blow away burmese cafe in jackson heights, which in my opinion do much better renditions of tea leaf salads, noodle/nut soups, and curries than burma superstar. if you ask me, just stick with cantonese chinese (which flushing/nyc lacks tremendously).

        by the way, i heard about what had happened to J&L mall. rest in peace...

        1. re: inmandarin
          Xiao Yang Apr 13, 2008 01:49 PM

          The Burnese Cafe in JH closed not long ago. And is New Jersey produce more similar to Burmese than California produce?

          You are nearly 100 percent right about everything else, but Burmese cuisine in NYC is all but extinct, but is flourishing here in SF.

      2. lexdevil Apr 1, 2008 09:47 AM

        Are you interested in exploring the wider Bay Area? If so, you'll find lots of the area's better Chinese offerings in more suburban locations.

        BERKELEY/OAKLAND--For Sichuan I would do China Village in Albany. Close by in Richmond you will find the Pacific East Mall, an Asian shopping center anchored by a large Asian supermarket. At Pacific East I favor Chow Jew style noodles at VH Noodle, the roast pork at Macau Cafe, and much of the Menu at Daimo (Cantonese, though I like their Hakka style braised pork belly w/ fermented greens). In Oakland Chinatown Shan Dong has excellent knife cut noodles and huge, tasty pork and veg buns. Also in Oakland, Shanghai has lovely, delicate XLB and lots of super cheap food.

        HEADING SOUTH--New China in Union City is really cheap and very tasty. The eggs w/ shrimp and yellow chives are fantastic. I have also enjoyed Darda (Islamic Chinese) in Milpitas quite a bit, though I've read of a recent decline. There's lots more further south, but I'll leave that to those who eat down there regularly. For Dim Sum, I like Hong Kong Flower Lounge near the airport, though Koi Palace in Daily City has a better reputation.

        THE CITY PROPER--If you must dine in Chinatown, Great Eastern is very good, the BBQ items in particular. If you go there, be sure to make a pit stop at Golden Gate Bakery (really close by) for their egg custard tarts, still hot from the oven. They are pricey compared to most, but really lovely compared to most as well. Order more than you think you can eat or you will regret your decision. If you are looking for unusual, high end experiences in San Francisco, consider Jai Yun for a Shanghainese tasting menu or Yank Sing for posh and sometimes unusual dim sum.

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        Koi Palace Restaurant
        365 Gellert Blvd, Daly City, CA 94015

        Shanghai Restaurant
        930 Webster St, Oakland, CA 94607

        New China
        1743 Decoto Rd, Union City, CA 94587

        Jai Yun
        680 Clay St, San Francisco, CA 94111

        Hong Kong Flower Lounge
        51 Millbrae Ave, Millbrae, CA 94030

        Yank Sing Banquet & Catering
        101 Spear St, San Francisco, CA 94105

        Golden Gate Bakery
        1029 Grant Ave, San Francisco, CA 94133

        Great Eastern Restaurant
        649 Jackson St, San Francisco, CA 94133

        Yank Sing
        49 Stevenson St Ste Stlv, San Francisco, CA 94105

        Shan Dong Mandarin Restaurant
        328 10th St, Oakland, CA 94607

        Darda Seafood Restaurant
        296 Barber Ct, Milpitas, CA 95035

        Pacific East
        3288 Pierce St # M126, Richmond, CA

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        1. re: lexdevil
          Robert Lauriston Apr 1, 2008 09:51 AM

          Shan Dong is good but be sure to make notes on what to order.

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            lexdevil Apr 1, 2008 09:57 AM

            Agreed. And that's good advice for most of the entries on my list.

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              Robert Lauriston Apr 1, 2008 10:26 AM

              I found Shan Dong's menu particularly challenging. Even with notes from Chowhound topics it was hard to figure out what their specials were and I ordered a couple of ho-hum dishes.

        2. Robert Lauriston Apr 1, 2008 09:23 AM

          Second on Old Mandarin. Their specialty is Peking hot pot (aka Mongolian fire pot), which is often the dish on every table.

          Jai Yun. Shanghai presented like a western tasting menu.

          Shanghai in Oakland. Short BART ride.

          Hong Kong Flower Lounge in Millbrae for dim sum. Long but easy BART ride.

          Maybe garlic roasted crab at PPQ.

          You can skip Sichuan, you've got just as good or better in NY, but if you're in Chinatown and craving it, Z&Y Garden's good.

          Spices! is a Taiwanese twist on Sichuan (with other stuff). Could be interesting but it's best to have advice on which dishes to order (lots of reports in the archive).

          Will you have a car? Much of the killer regional Chinese food is in strip malls in the suburbs.

          We have good Burmese and Cambodian food here.

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          1. re: Robert Lauriston
            Ruth Lafler Apr 1, 2008 09:26 AM

            Yeah, might be more interesting to check out Burmese food, which is apparently scarce in NY.

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              PeterL Apr 1, 2008 09:31 AM

              Sorry to hijack this thread, but is there a good Burmese place walking distance from the Financial District Hilton (used to be Holiday Inn Chinatown)? We'll be there for two nights this week. Will have a car but would hate to drive and esp. park.

              1. re: PeterL
                Robert Lauriston Apr 1, 2008 09:50 AM

                The best Burmese food in town is at Larkin Express Deli, lunch only.

                I think By the Bite is closer. Also lunch only.

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                Larkin Express Burmese Kitchen
                452 Larkin St, San Francisco, CA 94102

                By the Bite
                380 Bush St, San Francisco, CA 94104

                1. re: Robert Lauriston
                  PeterL Apr 1, 2008 11:59 AM

                  Well too bad, I am looking for dinner options. Lunch I'll be stuck with a bunch of lawyers eating catered bad food.

                  1. re: PeterL
                    Robert Lauriston Apr 1, 2008 12:04 PM

                    Dinner, you could bus or cab out to Burma Super Star or Mandalay in the Richmond District, or BART to 16th & Mission and go to Yamo.

                    1. re: PeterL
                      Xiao Yang Apr 1, 2008 12:25 PM

                      Early reviews of a new Burmese restaurant, Pagan, have been very positive. Since it's way out at 33rd & Clement, parking may be not too difficult.

                      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/478792

                      1. re: Xiao Yang
                        Dave MP Apr 1, 2008 11:46 PM

                        Parking there is very easy - there's a parking lot half a block away.

                      2. re: PeterL
                        grayelf Apr 2, 2008 08:50 AM

                        PeterL, thanks for hijacking, or I wouldn't have found out about By The Bite, steps from our hotel and another closer-in source of beloved tea leaf salad!

                2. Xiao Yang Mar 31, 2008 10:42 PM

                  Sounds like you are in Sichuan mode. Equivalents would most likely be Spices I & Spices II both in the Clement St. area. Also some not-so-spicy lamb soups and other lamby dishes at Old Mandarin Islamic Restaurant, out in the fog belt on Vicente St.

                  Good dim sum abounds, do a little searching for threads and you'll find endless discussions and debates.

                  We also kick NYC's butt in Shagnhainese small eats, check out the xiaolong bao at Shanghai House or Shanghai Dumpling King.

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                  1. re: Xiao Yang
                    PeterL Apr 1, 2008 08:06 AM

                    Well, it won't blow New Yorkers away because they'll complain that it's not like the soup dumplings they are used to at Joe Shanghai. Flushing is more like Monterey Park, with lots of Taiwanese immigrants. OP may want to check out the Millbrae area for some killer Cantonese cuisine. Although I am afraid for someone who loves Sichuan Chinese, you wouldn't take to Cantonese too well.

                    1. re: PeterL
                      Xiao Yang Apr 1, 2008 09:12 AM

                      Sad, but true. I even recall a poster complaining he/she couldn't get soup dumplings "just like Joe's Shanghai's" out here. I'm hoping, though, that mostly hanging out Taiwanese/Sichuan places has left the OP's tastes uncorrupted by Joe's poor excuse for xiaolong bao. (The Taiwanese do tend to emulate the Shanghai model for XLB, at least).

                      I don't think Cantonese cuisine is a stranger to anyone in the US who eats Chinese food, though GOOD Cantonese might be. Anyway, the OP has expressed a taste for dim sum, for starters.

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