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Proper martini glasses

Not to get too off-topic, but I was under the impression that the martini glasses at Pegu are the "right" size, and that the gargantuan, triangular fishbowls at most places are a relatively recent innovation, a bit like a gin Big Gulp.

Not trying to start anything, because I'm genuinely curious: but is a proper martini supposed to be served in a smaller glass? Personally, I prefer a smaller glass for a martini because nothing to me is grosser than that final inch of gin and vermouth that hits room temperature and is always left staring up at me from the bottom of the big glass no matter how fast I pack my martini away. The smaller glasses - no such problem. But which is officially "correct"? Or does that concept not apply here?

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  1. I'm with you with the smaller martini glasses. I'll see the characters in old movies drinking martinis in small glasses. I was told that martini glasses were always much smaller back then than they are now. I can't even find small martini glasses in the stores. Too bad. I guess I was born in the wrong era.

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    1. re: brandygirl

      I bought some glasses at IKEA that are always just too small for most recipes. I think they're 5 oz while most others are around 8+

      1. re: Lixer

        Lixer, I have the exact opposite problem. All I can find are 10+ oz glasses -including "martini" glasses that were 18 oz!!

        I like my booze as much as the next guy (probably even more), but the thought of 16+ oz martini scares the liver out of me!

      2. re: brandygirl

        Go to Goodwill.....they have martini glasses that you never knew existed for 99 cents (50 cents on half-price Saturdays). Some are antique. I replensh my supply with new sizes, styles and decorations. I do prefer a crystal clear, no embelishments or etching nor rim color. Spread a white tablecloth with matching napkins, preferably Battenberg lace. Light candles to reflect the shiny glasses filled with pure shiny iced vodka martini, touched with a colorful garnish, then step back and admire the sight,,,,,,,Boy, have you got an elegant setting.or what?

        1. re: zimexlady

          We have some from my SO's grandmother, some Noritake she got when they were stationed in Japan after the war. We've managed to get some more at a few junk shops. They're quite small, and I really must say I prefer it.

          Battenburg lace gives me nightmares, but only because I had to iron all my mothers stuff after a heavy starch (i.e., dipped into a pot of starch), but the rest I agree with, makes for a lovely place setting.

          1. re: cosmogrrl

            Hi cosmogrrl. it has never dawned on me to starch my Battemburg lace cloth or naps. They are 20 years old and have been laundered so many times, they are as soft as a tissue. Surprisingly, all the Oxy bleach I have used has never caused a hole to appear and they look as though I just came from the Bahamas with them in my suitcase.

          2. re: zimexlady

            All of my cocktail glasses and tumblers have come from Goodwill/Salvation Army/rummage sales. You can find good quality glass, in more appropriate sizes, if you're willing to dig and be patient. You'll save a lot of money, to be spent on what goes IN the glass, and it's much less painful when you break one.

        2. Well, what's "proper" is a question that's way above my pay grade. But I agree with you that the outsized cocktail glasses that have become common are pretty silly.

          It may have to do with the fact that many modern "martinis" (the word is misused both with regard to the glass and with regard to its contents) are composed of more adjuncts than liquor. So a larger glass is required to hold a standard drink. OTOH, I find that the smallest (~4 oz.) of the old-school cocktail glasses can be problematic because it's impossible to carry a drink across the room without sloshing gin on the carpet.

          My favorite cocktail glasses hold about 8 ounces with a minimum of headspace. But because most of the volume of the glass is up around the rim, you can serve a standard dry martini (maybe 3 ounces) without it looking skimpy, while a 3:2 gimlet (maybe 5 ounces) leaves enough room at the top that you can pick the glass up without worrying about spilling. At least at the beginning of the evening.

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          1. re: alanbarnes

            I refuse to drink a martini in a non-stemmed glass. That is part of the show. Period.

          2. Really old school... traditionally cocktails were around a 2 oz. pour. Really old cocktail glasses hold 4 oz when filled to the brim, but are tall and narrow so a 2 oz pour fills them to about 1/2 inch from the rim, 3 oz fills to 1/4 inch from rim. I have some very old cocktail glasses like this and if I get a chance I will take photos.

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            1. re: JMF

              JMF has it right. As I've seen, most historical recipes call for 2 - 3 oz cocktails and when appreciating cocktails for taste (recommended) over alcohol, the smaller portions allow for more experimentation. I mean, how else can one safely try out many recipes in one evening? Recent cocktail pairing dinners I've attended always serve 2 - 3 oz drinks because diners are there to enjoy 4 - 5 courses.

              If you're not used to these portions—call it tapas for drinks and give it a try!

              1. re: slobhan

                Bump. Big bump.

                Just noticed the martini glasses in the 1945 classic Christmas in Connecticut (hilarious movie) and they are drinking from small elegant V shaped 4-5 oz glasses with a curled up lip holding a 2-3 oz martini plus olive.

                It is the only way to go for a straight up cocktail.

            2. A friend of mine who was a bartender for many years told me that the tradional martini glass (conical, 5 oz) was a bitch to clean in the standard bar dishwasher as it was very tippy and did not fit in between the little fingers on the bottom the dishwasher tray, so it did not come out clean and streak-free, So many places starting use the highball glass or something else that didn't slow down the cleaning process.

              Isn't that sad?

              1. From a bartenders perspective, large glasses do not equal large cocktails, any more than a large globe does not mean a larger glass of wine. I like my martinis in a medium glass for room and swirl but I hate a warm martini. I serve a nice 5 ounce drink within a larger 8-10 ounce glass with some room for presentation, like a nicely shaped twist or the extra stuffed olive. My favorite martini glass comes with a separate chiller to keep it cool, my customers often ask for it halved with half going into an ice bath in a tall cordial glass. I have the old cocktail glasses from my grandparents and they are too small and too difficult to clean.

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                1. re: jspear

                  Thanks for the professional perspective. If you don't mind (and I realize this was a long time ago, LOL), I wanted to ask what type of chiller are you using? Are you using a small martini shaker? I've seen places do that.

                  The "ice bath" in a tall cordial glass -- nice touch -- do you then use a strainer to pour the rest?

                  Thanks in advance.

                2. I need to be able to walk it upstairs to the TV sofa without spilling ;)
                  I sort of have the same question. Is it appropriate to have a glass that is filled to the tippy top by a cocktail or that leaves some room?

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                  1. re: splatgirl

                    I don't think you'll find craft cocktail bars filling their coupes to the very brim. That said, a coupe has vertical sides at the lip, limiting sloshing. A conical glass needs more rooms in it. I like the look of conical glasses, but I don't like drinking out of them very much. If you leave a lot of room to make it easy to carry, it looks stingy.

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                    1. re: splatgirl

                      My 93 year old uncle insists a cocktail should be filled so full, the first sip must be taken before it is safe to lift the glass off the table ! Seems to be working for him...

                      1. re: PoppiYYZ

                        AMEN....I am 82 years young! I do not walk with martinis but have my guest meet me in the kitchen where we clink a toast, take a sip, then proceed to the dining table, each being responsible for his/her martini not spilling.

                        1. re: PoppiYYZ

                          This is my preference as well.

                          To any bartender who serves me:

                          Fill mine to the brim or your tip gets a trim.

                          PP

                          1. re: PontiusPalate

                            YOU try carrying a tray of Martinis from the bar to a table without spilling any . . .

                            1. re: zin1953

                              Hello zin1953,

                              Of course, I would not expect a martini to be filled to the brim if I am being served at one of the regular dining tables.

                              That's why I always order my martinis right at the bar, where the bartender can just slide them right over to me. I always eat at the bar, even if I have to wait an hour to do so.

                              If filled to the brim, I like to take my first sip before even touching the glass.

                              I know that not all bartenders are able or allowed to do this. All I really ask is that they are filled reasonably close to the brim.

                              The worst offender was a bartender who served me a martini in a glass that was only about half full. I never went back.

                              PP

                              1. re: PontiusPalate

                                First, the ap. equilateral triangle shaped cone of a so called "martini glass" is a drink spilling travesty of art deco design. A really well designed cocktail glass is shaped so it doesn't spill easily.

                                Second, I never want my drink filled to the rim. I want it to be filled so that there is a small amount, apx. .25" from the rim, after the garnish is added. I don't want to have to baby that glass to my lips. I want to pick it up and drink. Not have to lean uncouthly over the bar to sip from the glass before picking up the drink. If I did that in company, or in front of a date she would think I was a total slob.

                                PP, this goes back to you liking big drinks that make you feel you got value for money. Not a classy, well designed, and created drink that is served in the correct measure for the glass.

                                Third, if a bartender brought me over a half full glass I would either complain, or leave, not drink it. More likely leave, since I would know that the bartender wasn't a good bartender. I don't waste my time and taste buds drinking lousy drinks.

                                  1. re: JMF

                                    Hello JMF,

                                    You wrote:

                                    >>First, the ap. equilateral triangle shaped cone of a so called "martini glass" is a drink spilling travesty of art deco design. A really well designed cocktail glass is shaped so it doesn't spill easily.<

                                    The conical shaped martini glass is still my favorite. Its visual appeal resonates with me.

                                    You wrote:

                                    >>Second, I never want my drink filled to the rim. I want it to be filled so that there is a small amount, apx. .25" from the rim, after the garnish is added. I don't want to have to baby that glass to my lips. I want to pick it up and drink. Not have to lean uncouthly over the bar to sip from the glass before picking up the drink. If I did that in company, or in front of a date she would think I was a total slob.<<

                                    I consider a martini that is filled 0.25 inches from the rim to be acceptable. On those occasions when the bartender has slid a martini over to me totally filled to the rim, I really have no choice to reach over and slurp some of it out before I pick it up. One time my bartender slurped a bit out for me from behind the bar. I didn't mind.

                                    By the way, I never ask for a martini to be filled to the brim. More often than not, however, the closer it is filled to the brim, the better my tip.

                                    You wrote:

                                    >>PP, this goes back to you liking big drinks that make you feel you got value for money. Not a classy, well designed, and created drink that is served in the correct measure for the glass.<<

                                    I will confess that I like large drinks. By the way, I stopped into a new restaurant and bar in downtown Norfolk the other night. My bartender free poured the gin but stirred it instead of shaking it. It was served in one of those jumbo sized martini glasses I like. I have to admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the taste and texture of this martini. In fact, I will even admit that its taste and texture were superior to any of the "shaken" martinis I recently had. If all "stirred" martinis were as good as this one, then I would be a fan. That other bar I complained about, which did such a lousy job with their "stirred" martinis should take some lessons from this bartender. Unfortunately, that other bar gave me a first bad impression of "stirred" martinis.

                                    You wrote:

                                    >>Third, if a bartender brought me over a half full glass I would either complain, or leave, not drink it. More likely leave, since I would know that the bartender wasn't a good bartender. I don't waste my time and taste buds drinking lousy drinks.<<

                                    I am glad to hear that you also regard a martini that is served only half full in its glass is unacceptable.

                                    All The Best,

                                    PP

                                    1. re: PontiusPalate

                                      I think those conical glasses are terrible. Ugly and useless. To me no visual appeal.

                                      Here's the style I like.

                                      This is a typical 8 oz. to fill. Which means a perfect fill with 2.5 oz. gin and 1 oz. dry vermouth and 2 dashes orange bitters, with a lemon peel garnish. Stirred for 30+ seconds will fill it to between .255-.5" from rm. Anything more than that is a silly, way too large, youngsters portion.

                                      I still think you like a cocktail that is oversized, which is somewhat juvenile, and part of the whole binge drinking and do everything to overabundance 1980's/90's thing. As opposed to a classic serving size of 2-3 total oz. booze, watered down to 6-7 oz. final cocktail amount. So you can enjoy a crisp, cold cocktail from start to end, and have a few without getting totally wasted.

                                      You didn't mind that the bartender slurped some of your overfilled drink before handing it to you? OK, I have to ask, how old are you?

                                       
                                      1. re: JMF

                                        Hello JMF,

                                        Many thanks for your latest message.

                                        You wrote:

                                        >>I think those conical glasses are terrible. Ugly and useless. To me no visual appeal. Here's the style I like.

                                        This is a typical 8 oz. to fill. Which means a perfect fill with 2.5 oz. gin and 1 oz. dry vermouth and 2 dashes orange bitters, with a lemon peel garnish. Stirred for 30+ seconds will fill it to between .255-.5" from rm. Anything more than that is a silly, way too large, youngsters portion.<<

                                        That sounds good to me. Please trust me when I say that I would not hesitate to order one of your martinis, as prepared as described above, if you were one of the bartenders in my neighborhood.
                                        _____

                                        You wrote:

                                        >>I still think you like a cocktail that is oversized, which is somewhat juvenile, and part of the whole binge drinking and do everything to overabundance 1980's/90's thing. As opposed to a classic serving size of 2-3 total oz. booze, watered down to 6-7 oz. final cocktail amount. So you can enjoy a crisp, cold cocktail from start to end, and have a few without getting totally wasted.<<
                                        ______

                                        I must concede the possibility that you are probably correct about all of the above. I really have no reason to think otherwise. Seriously.

                                        Please try to accept the fact that my level of martini appreciation at this stage of my very arrested development has been at least somewhat limited by my immediate environment here in Norfolk, Virginia.

                                        For example, I ventured out to another restaurant and bar this evening, one which I have not described before. They had a special menu of their so called "House Martinis."

                                        I am sure that most of them would make you cringe. For example, one of them was called the "Gummi Bear Martini." The very sound and description of it makes me cringe as well.

                                        I settled for my favorite Hendrick's Gin Martini instead. I watched the bartender prepare it very carefully. Although he gave it a "free pour", he did not shake it.

                                        Instead, he poured it into a shaker container and gave it a few "swirls" with his hands, without any hard shaking. This gave me the very similar impression of a "stirring" procedure.

                                        The result was a martini that exhibited a clear appearance, taste, and texture, without having to wait for the "clouding effect" from the usual shaking procedure to clear up.

                                        In addition, I might add that these martinis were served in what I consider to be in "medium sized" martini glasses, instead of the jumbo sized glasses I usually enjoy.

                                        I had no complaints about these martinis. This is one instance in which size did not matter. Three of these martinis gave me a very decent buzz.

                                        You wrote:

                                        >>You didn't mind that the bartender slurped some of your overfilled drink before handing it to you? OK, I have to ask, how old are you?<<

                                        Okay, I have to admit that I may be stuck in a perpetual state of my very arrested adolescence.

                                        I really like to think that I am now moving a bit past the stage I described above.

                                        But if you really have to know......

                                        I am currently 64 years "young."

                                        PP

                                        1. re: JMF

                                          At the restaurant and bar I visited last night, here are just a few of the drinks that were listed under their "House Martinis" menu section:

                                          Apple Manhattan
                                          Butter Nut Scotch
                                          Chocolate Kick
                                          French Watermelon
                                          Gummy Bear
                                          Irish Mint Chocolate
                                          Caramel Apple

                                          Each of these drinks is served in the traditional conical shaped martini glasses. And this is from one of our most highly rated restaurants.

                                          Therefore, I have concluded that a martini is pretty much defined here in Norfolk, Virginia, as any alcoholic beverage that is served in a conical shaped martini glass, regardless of its other ingredients.

                                          By the way, I would NEVER order one of the drinks listed above.

                                          PP

                                          1. re: PontiusPalate

                                            I'm at the point that responding to you is a waste of time. It's like hitting ones head against the wall. It's feels good for awhile, in a disturbing way, but then just becomes painful and leads to brain numbness and bruising.

                                            That menu is in the mid-90's.

                                            1. re: JMF

                                              JMF,

                                              Please note that I am not endorsing or expressing my approval of the "martini" menu I posted above. I specifically stated that I would not order one of those "martinis" listed.

                                              I am only "reporting the facts" as to the status of our local cocktail programs. If you say that this menu is representative of the mid-1990s, then I believe you. I honestly wish I didn't live in such a backward city with respect to cocktails and martinis.

                                              Please believe me when I say that your responses to my posts have not been a waste of time. I have a manila file folder that is full of your ideas and suggestions. I have learned a lot from you and others on this forum.

                                              I hope you give me at least some credit for admitting that a "stirred" martini I had last week at the bar of a new downtown Norfolk restaurant exhibited a wonderful flavor and texture, which were superior to any of the "shaken" martinis I've had recently. As I see it, I have taken a giant step forward with this admission.

                                              I still prefer the large conical shaped martini glasses. This is only my preference, and I am not claiming that they are superior to the other styles of martini glasses.

                                              We just seem to have some different preferences about a few things. Otherwise, I am not trying to argue or disagree with you.

                                              Let me close by thanking you for what I have learned so far from the wealth of information you have provided.

                                              Cheers!

                                              PP

                            2. re: splatgirl

                              Fill it to the brim. Take an appropriately sized sip from each glass before proceeding up the stairs and, for Heavens' sake, do not tell your guest that you sipped to reach the appropriate level in the glass. Everybody happy?

                            3. The WSJ recently addressed this topic http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001... and extolled the virtues of smaller glasses over birdbaths both for the sake of tradition and functionality. I quite agree. I recently picked up a brace if tiny little coupes and they are fantastic for martinis. Regardless of size, the cone shaped martini glass is problematic, IMO. It sloshes easily when you carry it--waiters can't stand 'em--and takes up too much room in the freezer and the dishwasher.

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                              1. re: Poindexter

                                "I recently picked up a brace if tiny little coupes and they are fantastic for martinis."
                                ________________________________
                                Me too. Gorgeous little vintage, hand blown 4oz coupes. Quite inexpensive as a bonus. They are my new favorite. O so beautiful holding a Manhattan.
                                I completely agree with the PITA of the cone shaped glass thing.

                                1. re: splatgirl

                                  I have a set of eight that had belonged to my Grandmother. When I found them, I discovered one had a chip in the base. It's the only one that gets regularly used (by me, of course). I save the others for gatherings (or maybe champagne with my wife). Funny thing is, I refuse to wash them at the end of the night. I prefer to save that task 'til the morning brings sobriety.

                                  1. re: MGZ

                                    "I refuse to wash them at the end of the night. I prefer to save that task 'til the morning brings sobriety."

                                    This is a great example of wisdom gleaned from way too many life lessons. I'm not sure how many champagne flutes, wine glasses, and various cocktail glasses I've dropped, clunked, or applied too much pressure to while cleaning late at night after a party. I should probably resign myself to drinking from a sippy cup going forward, since I can't say that I arrived at your conclusion on my own.

                                    1. re: MGZ

                                      Thanks, I will take that idea and save further breakage!
                                      I now use my conicals for shrimp cocktails.

                                2. I think I found some 7.5 oz. martini glasses at Target a few years back, and that's what I have in my home bar. However, when I make a martini (which I frequently do) I use a coupe glass.

                                  Now, if I may go on a rant...

                                  It really irks me that coupes are not more widely available for a relatively cheap price. A couple of years back, I plunked down about $50 for a box of four from Amazon (they're the Cassablanca coupes). I've since broken one and it really pissed me off when it happened :( In general, they are my go-to for a 5 oz. cocktail. When you serve someone a drink in a coupe, they are almost always impressed :)

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                                  1. re: The Big Crunch

                                    I bought these 5.5 oz coupes from the Boston Shaker for $7.50 a pop. I'm no glasswear expert, but they seem to be decent quality and they've certainly gotten the job done.

                                    http://www.thebostonshaker.com/shop/c...

                                    1. re: tomjb27

                                      Wow! Those look nice, and very affordable. Thanks for the heads up on that site.

                                        1. re: splatgirl

                                          This thread gets better and better! :)

                                  2. Here is what I have been trying to find in a 4 - 5 oz size.

                                    I guess they are a coupe, but a little more up turned than the traditional Champagne glass. I have sometimes seen similar glasses described as a Nick and Nora glass (from the Thin Man movies - a must adult watch at Christmas BTW).

                                    Any ideas where this style can be purchased ?

                                    PS Doesn't that B+W photo make you Gents want to run out and buy a Smoking Jacket and silk ascot ? Common, you know it does... ;-)

                                     
                                     
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                                    1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                      It seems I am WAY too familiar with the current state of cocktail glassware. In the drool-worthy category:

                                      http://www.williams-sonoma.com/produc...

                                      I have not seen much else in that shape, but I predict there will be a lot more to choose from in the next few years.

                                      1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                        Here's another less expensive and less sexy but still nice option. A bargain at $40/6!
                                        http://www.tabletopstyle.com/Minners-...

                                        1. re: splatgirl

                                          Thanks splatgirl,

                                          The glasses are very nice especially the Riedels. They are still a little too big though. I am trying to get the "tini" back into martini. Just seems the way to go.

                                          1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                            Yea, I agree. It's one of the things I love about the vintage ones. My other suggestion is to dig around Etsy once in a while.
                                            It's probably good the Riedel ones are too big, otherwise I might be tarty enough to buy a set or two.

                                            Here are some actually called "Nick and Nora" that are closer to the size you request. They don't wow me in the photo, but the description does say they are crystal so maybe they're nicer in person: http://www.amazon.com/Nick-Martini-Gl...

                                        2. re: PoppiYYZ

                                          Those glasses look terrific - a lot like our inherited ones. Save me a cocktail!

                                          1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                            I Googled "coupe" and it lead me to a retailer with the glass more curled at the top.....I can see where this would not spill as easily for the blogger who has to walk up the stairs with his martini.

                                            1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                              I'm having a Prohibition party and have fallen in love with these. At first I was going to rent glassware, but with the minimum rental charge, they'll pay for themselves in two parties. (Though I'll have to wash them!) Not as round as your examples, but still a lovely little glass.

                                              http://www.webstaurantstore.com/libbe...

                                              For true coupes, look at thrift stores. They're still considered dated, so until the comeback is mainstream, they're almost giving them away. I got mine for 25 cents each.

                                              1. re: flappergirl

                                                Very elegant !

                                                I ended up buying these little beauties :

                                                http://www.amazon.com/Nick-Martini-Gl...

                                                I now keep a pellet gun and a decorated Christmas tree handy year round !

                                                1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                                  Nick & Nora glasses are great. I place an order for them as the first thing every time I consult to a new bar. These Steelite ones are my favorite, and very strong for such thin glass. The Steelite Minners Series of Classic Cocktail Glasses are fantastic. Besides the N&N, I use their Martini/champagne glass and their Paris Champagne Coupe.

                                                  http://www.steelite.com/home/products...

                                                  http://www.mixologydepot.com/category...

                                                  1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                                    I also bought these (Toots Shor 1950s-Style Cocktail Glasses), but sadly they no longer appear to be available on amazon.

                                                    Both sets are 5oz and really really nice.

                                                     
                                                  2. re: flappergirl

                                                    +1 to thrift stores for inexpensive (and so easily replaced) vintage glassware. I’ve picked up several of the conical cocktail glasses in smaller sizes (two that are only useful if my wife and I are splitting a cocktail) and recently four of these old Fostoria coupes. They don’t curve all the way back in at the top like the ones JMF linked, but I think I like that better.

                                                    I also picked up what I think is a Manhattan glass. I’m withholding judgment for now, but I feel like the base is so large as to make the glass visually out of balance.

                                                    Oh, and I think I paid about a quarter each for the coupes.

                                                     
                                                     
                                                2. When I want to be fancy I use my very fine, thin-walled martini glasses. But usually I serve martinis for just me in *gasp!* 6 oz classic Coca Cola glasses.

                                                  1. Okay, so I own a club and I was just talking with my bar manager about this.. She also owns a bartending school so she knows what she's talking about too. A real martini is suppose to measure in at 2oz, so a standard martini glass should be a 4.5 or 5oz glass. When I took over this business, almost all their martini glasses were 8-12oz glasses and I'm finding out that a lot of businesses use glasses that size, but a correct glass should be 4.5 or 5 oz...

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                                                    1. re: DebbieeeCo

                                                      A real Martini is not supposed to be 2 oz. That's just insanely incorrect. I've got at least a dozen cocktail books on my shelves, including Lowell Edmund's classic history of the Martini, and NONE of them suggest a recipe that would come to 2 oz. If she's teaching that at her school, then I don't have a particularly high opinion of it :(

                                                      1. re: The Big Crunch

                                                        All Dry Martini Recipes from books on the shelf :

                                                        Peter Bohrmanns Bartenders Guide:
                                                        1.5oz gin, 0.75oz dry vermouth = 2.25oz

                                                        Waggoner and Markel Vintage Cocktails:
                                                        2.5oz gin, 0.5oz dry vermouth = 3.0oz

                                                        Sally Ann Berk NY Bartenders Guide:
                                                        3.0oz gin, 1 teaspoon dry vermouth = 3.04oz

                                                        Sheesh ! And don't even look online for a consensus recipe !

                                                        If one wants to drink a supersized martini in an 8oz glass, it's a free world (at least in some places).

                                                        FWIW, I like a 2.5-3.0oz in a smaller 5oz glass. Looks cooler IMHO and the drink can be consumed before it becomes room temp.

                                                        1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                                          Water dilution alone will be close to, or more than, 2 oz. I totally agree about smaller glasses.

                                                          1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                                            I've only been making my own martinis for about a week now. The smallest martini glasses I have been able to find in a store were some 6-ounce glasses at a local Pottery Barn.

                                                            So far my favorite martini recipe is 3.5 ounces of gin and 0.5 ounce of vermouth and 2 dashes with orange bitters. The additional water caused by the dilution from stirring is causing the total liquid to come not too far below the brim of the glass.

                                                            The 6-ounce glass is working out nicely so far. I am not getting that room temperature effect toward the bottom.

                                                            If I find some 5-ounce martini glasses, I will buy a couple of them.

                                                            PP

                                                      2. Like many, I like my martinis. LOL. Actually, I like excellent martinis (also like many). That said, the traditional, classic martini glass is a must for me. I've had martinis out of other types of glasses, and maybe it's conditioning or something else, but it just doesn't seem the same -- and I am not talking about the experience either.

                                                        That said, while I do not like the "super size" martini glasses -- what I do like is a "sturdy" martini glass. Obviously it's just me, an idiosyncrasy -- but a sturdier, heavier glass just feels better in my hand. In addition, I feel it keeps the drink "colder" but again, maybe that's just me.

                                                        As far as size -- no offense, but the drink police don't get paid enough to make that big a deal over this, LOL. Many years ago -- many things were "smaller"...and today, many things are smaller too. So what. In today's day and age, go into any bar an order a martini and you are NOT getting a 2 oz. drink. If you condemn the place or the drink because of that, so be it.

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                                                        1. re: ELA

                                                          As many of us have pointed out, no one seems to be advocating for a 2 oz. martini...okay, one ignorant bar manager seems to have been, but that's an aberration. With dilution, a proper Martini will be closer to 5 oz., unless of course the persona ordering or making it simply wants 2 oz. gin or vodka chilled while the bartender glances at a dusty bottle of Vermouth. At this point the cone glass that everyone thinks of as being a Martini glass is certainly the most associated glassware, but the coupe pre-dates it and for an up Martini was likely used for decades before the current art deco icon came into fashion. That said, the conical glass, for all its clumsiness, is indeed iconic, so while I may prefer a coupe, I can completely understand how the cone sort've "completes" the martini drinking experience for many people.

                                                          1. re: The Big Crunch

                                                            I've used the coupe style, and sure, it's good. Would I not drink it? No, not at all. Sitting at the bar, or at a table, somehow, I get my martini. I just hope it's good, LOL.

                                                          2. re: ELA

                                                            ELA, who here has advocated a TWO OUNCE martini? (Two ounces of gin, maybe.)

                                                            The conical glass is indeed iconic, and I don't mind it -- or a coupe, for that matter. What I object to is filling the glass within 2 millimeters of the rim! It's not only impossible for me to carry without spilling some at home, but it's also impossible for the bartender or the server to set down in front f me without spilling it.

                                                            The problem is simple; the solution is not. While I can put less in the glass at home (and thus not spill), the perception that one is being somehow "shorted" if the glass is not filled to the brim.

                                                            Oddly, no one feels that way about a _____________ served on the rocks. It seems to only be "up" drinks. A margarita on the rocks is served below the rim and is never spilled on the way from bar to table; in one of those "modified coupes," if it's not right to the brim . . .

                                                            Just sayin'

                                                            1. re: zin1953

                                                              I am not pointing fingers and saying anyone did "advocate" for a 2 oz. martini. However, it was referenced and mentioned -- and my point is that it's a discussion of futility.

                                                              Side and related note, I certainly feel the discussion about glasses, how it's served, chilled, etc. is a very good discussion, and my point was that the minutia of 2 oz and the definition, in my opinion is fallacious. When some people get hung up on that or the semantics, to me, that doesn't seem to be a learning discussion or exchange of information. Every thread is "take what you like and leave the rest" so to speak.

                                                              I certainly get the practical application of how close to the rim, and the problem. It's a good problem, LOL.

                                                              1. re: ELA

                                                                >>> I certainly get the practical application of how close to the rim, and the problem. It's a good problem, LOL. <<<

                                                                Only if you don't mind paying for what spilled . . . .

                                                                1. re: zin1953

                                                                  I don't find it to be an extremely common problem. At the bar, they pour and serve, or pour right in front of me and a professional knows not to create a problem of filling it to the brim. Sure, I've had it happen -- and sometimes they think they are doing you a favor. I don't want to slide or slide and sip my martini to make room. LOL.

                                                                  I've had, more often, they fill to the appropriate level and if there's some left, they leave it or re-fill, etc.

                                                                  If I am at the table, I've rarely had a martini served that either spilled a lot or couldn't be easily handled. It's in the hands of the staff, and if they are pro's, then they know what they're doing.

                                                                  1. re: ELA

                                                                    Clearly you and I go to different places . . .

                                                                    Yes, *usually* (but not always), the bartender -- if not making it right in front of me -- can bring the shaker (whether used as one or not is a different issue) down to me and fill the glass in front of me. Still, it's often so full that I have to lean over the glass to take a rather large sip so that I'll be able to lift it.

                                                                    Some cocktail servers have more experience and/or better balance, but there *is* a reason why their trays have perforated mats on them. ;^)

                                                                    But it remains one reason why I usually make martinis at home, and have other cocktails when I'm out.

                                                                2. re: ELA

                                                                  The odd thing for me is that while I prefer a Martini in a coupe, I prefer a Manhattan in the conical "martini" glass. Go figure, eh?

                                                                  1. re: The Big Crunch

                                                                    Yes, I've seen/heard that. I had a martini in a couple recently at a nice restaurant, both at the bar and table -- and it was very good, excellent actually.