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urbnmns Mar 26, 2008 01:03 PM

My husband and I are meeting up with a long-lost friend who's visiting Toronto from London this weekend. We'd like to take him somewhere for dinner with great food and a stylish atmosphere, but would prefer the volume to be low enough (and service just slow enough) for us to be able to catch up. I was thinking Lee for food and atmo, but was concerned it might be too loud. Would prefer nothing overtly extravagant, but otherwise budget's not really an issue. Any ideas? Thanks!

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    caddie Mar 26, 2008 01:25 PM

    I'd pick JKWB (which is often suggested on this board). It's not "sceney" so you can actually hear what the other people at the table are saying. Would probably choose a table vs. sitting at the bar for this occasion.

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      auberginegal Mar 26, 2008 01:40 PM

      second JKWB. this is where i went to catch up with a British friend that visited Toronto :) we sat in the dining area instead of the bar. noise level was fine, no shouting, but also didn't feel like people next to us would pick up on everything we said.

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        urbnmns Mar 26, 2008 02:20 PM

        Thanks caddie and auberginegal. That's a good suggestion - haven't been in awhile - In the event it's not possible to get one of the limited reservations (I'll likely be deferring a decision as late as I can!), what kind of wait times would you be looking at sometime between 7 & 8 on a Saturday?

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          caddie Mar 26, 2008 03:09 PM

          Pretty sure their reservation policy is "normal" now - call to double check though!

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            Rabbit Mar 26, 2008 03:17 PM

            I'm not sure what the rez policy is now at JKWB, but they used to take cell phone numbers, and even though Saturday dinner is a potentially busy slot, you can be much palliated by anticipating a wait and pre-planning a cocktail stop. You could easily duck into Pravda, Lucien or even C'est What or Biff's if you just needed user-friendly bar while waiting for your table.

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              urbnmns Mar 26, 2008 03:33 PM

              Great suggestion Rabbit (I did think cocktails would be in order!) Would you be in a position to recommend Lucien for a meal? (I've never been.)

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                Rabbit Mar 26, 2008 04:13 PM

                I'm not... but it's top of my list (and I hope to get there next weekend)... I'm eager for all reports.

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      miranda Mar 26, 2008 05:44 PM

      Lee or Thuet is great....Lee is very toronto...Thuet is an Alsatian version of Toronto...both memorable...Miranda

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        urbnmns Mar 27, 2008 08:24 AM

        Thanks Miranda, for another evening with people I see more regularly, Lee is great. For some reason, the service at Thuet (which I've only been to for brunch) really grated on me and I haven't been in a hurry to go back. But thanks for the suggestions.

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        Chef Marko Mar 27, 2008 05:59 AM

        Try Lolitas Lust on the Danforth. It's exactly what you want!

        Here's a link: http://livingstoncooks.blogspot.com/2...

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          urbnmns Mar 27, 2008 08:32 AM

          Thanks CM! Great thought. I haven't been in forever (I used to live around the corner and now I don't). I agree, it's really laid back, the food is (or at least used to be) terrifically savoury, and you can hang out and chat for pretty much as long as you like. I also like that you can mix up and match the sides (good for the veg-folk!). I'm still leaning further toward something I haven't tried in the downtown core but do you know whether LL is busy these days?

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            caddie Mar 27, 2008 08:37 AM

            I really wouldn't suggest Lolita's Lust based on my one and only experience there for a birthday party last May (which may or may not be a fair representation). The place was dead, the food was ho-hum and overpriced for what you got. On the other hand, Tomi-Kro has fantastic food (I believe that's where LL's former chef has ended up) but I don't think it's the quiet atmosphere you're looking for.

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              Chef Marko Mar 27, 2008 10:32 AM

              I have been there twice and both times were good experiences for me. I looked at the over all perception of the place and took all things into considersation. I still like the place.


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              Chef Marko Mar 27, 2008 10:33 AM

              To be honest with you, I haven't been there since November and it was busy both times I have been in.

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              Mila Mar 27, 2008 11:42 AM

              Be aware that on the weekends Lolita's turns into a "mini club" sort of scene later at night with people there for cocktails only and a dj. I don't know what time but we have dropped in for a late drink a few times and it was quite the little party scene.

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              phoenikia Mar 27, 2008 10:23 AM

              George has great food, and a stylish atmosphere. I've only eaten outside, on the patio, but it seemed like the volume inside wasn't too loud. I like the food at George better than the food at JKWB. http://www.georgeonqueen.com/menus.html
              It's possible to make a reservation at George through opentable.com.

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                mutant4 Mar 27, 2008 12:15 PM

                very partial to Niagara street cafe for intimate times

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                urbnmns Mar 28, 2008 04:22 PM

                Thanks all for the great suggestions. In the end we opted for a painfully early last-minute res at Lucien (which I rationalize will actually be on the late side for someone with and anticipating return flight jet-lag - and ensures our low-din requirement to boot!) Per Rabbit, many spots nearby to extend the evening on a cocktail note if need be. Will post how it goes...

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                  urbnmns Mar 31, 2008 12:47 PM

                  Quick update: Did try Lucien, and it perfectly met our objectives: Friendly, attentive service, lovely bistro-esque atmo & nice food. However, on the food note, I have to say I was a bit disappointed given the level of kudos I've been seeing lately; Rabbit, I noticed you quite enjoyed Colborne Lane and I have to say Lucien's execution (at least on this visit) simply does not compare to my recent meal at CL, which I would revisit any day. Lucien's execution of individual elements was beyond reproach, but the overall flow of most dishes we tried simply did not cohere. Too bad, but perhaps it's partly a case of inflated expectations. But as mentioned above, perfect for the kind of night we were looking for, where the food did take a back seat to the company. Very glad we tried it, but I'm in no hurry to go back.

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                    Delish Mar 31, 2008 12:54 PM

                    I 100% agree with everything you've said based on two visits to Lucien (most recently being Fri. night) and two visits to CL. I'd go to CL anyday, but I'd need a whole lot of convincing for me to try Lucien again...

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                      urbnmns Mar 31, 2008 01:15 PM

                      Amazing how it's such a fine line!

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                      Rabbit Mar 31, 2008 02:09 PM

                      Hmmm, I'm signed up for Lucien on Saturday. I'm still excited about going, but I'll try to re-calibrate my expectations so that I don't end up disappointed. Despite Toronto Life's ratings, it seems most around here put CL (which I did think was quite special) ahead of Lucien.

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                        urbnmns Mar 31, 2008 04:14 PM

                        Rabbit, I hope your meal tops mine! I'd be interested to hear your impressions.

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