502805 Tue Mar 25 22:44:55 -0700 2008 22 35 Beer 0 3528359 supposedly there is a cover that fits over the glass. there are holes in the cover. after pouring in the bass 2/3 full, you pour the Guinness thru the cover and it settles on top of the Bass. what is that cover called and where can i get one?? Tue Mar 25 22:44:55 -0700 2008 15732 MarkG 1 3528396 with a little internet research, i answered my own question. it's called a brolly and on the Bass web site they are giving them away free until the end of April 08. it appears to be a tin doo hickey in a triangular shape with a tin handle. a picture of it is on the web site. they also have still pix and video showing how to mix a B and T. Tue Mar 25 23:18:03 -0700 2008 3528359 15732 MarkG 2 3528412 go to: http://www.bass.com/pour Tue Mar 25 23:26:58 -0700 2008 3528396 15732 MarkG 1 3532479 If you pour carefully enough, you shouldn't need anything. But you can pour the Bass onto the backside of a spoon to help spread the surface area - you may need to bend the spoon handle a bit to sit lower inside the glass. Thu Mar 27 07:19:55 -0700 2008 3528359 12014 LStaff 2 3540328 Oops meant to say to pour the Guinness on the back of the spoon. Ah its easy to get confused these days since Guinness is only slightly darker than what Bass used to be. ;-) And they both taste about the same. ;-)). Sat Mar 29 09:23:22 -0700 2008 3532479 12014 LStaff 1 3537894 you can also do it off the back of a bar spoon, a regular table spoon, off the side of the glass, it isn't difficult. try pouring it yourself, slowly, off the back of a soup spoon first before you spend money on unnecessary equipment. if you have a local favorite pub with a bartender well versed in black & tans you might want to order one at the bar and observe while s/he makes yours for reference. Fri Mar 28 12:52:03 -0700 2008 3528359 46030 soupkitten 1 3544355 Thanks for the tip on the free brolly! Make sure you use pub cans or the bottles of Guinness carbonated with nitrous (widgets). I went through a six pack of each one time trying to get it right but I was using Guinness that is pumped full of CO2. Sun Mar 30 20:20:50 -0700 2008 3528359 165419 fiscuspv 1 3546399 Anyone else think that Black and Tans are a serious waste of Guinness and Bass? Where have all the snobs gone? Mon Mar 31 12:32:30 -0700 2008 3528359 126991 aburkavage 2 3546481 I think Black & Tans are a serious waste of a clean beer glass. While I might have the occasional Guinness Draught when I'm at a bar without any good beer choices, the current version of Bass we get in the US is so lame that I suppose the "junior high school science project" aspect of a B&T might be the only reason to drink it. (Well, you did ask for a snob...). Mon Mar 31 12:50:15 -0700 2008 3546399 11059 JessKidden 3 3546709 Amen! One of my buddies ordered a round of Bass at a bar a couple weekends ago (the first I've had since my semester in London in 2005). The resulting beer was reminiscent of a skunked Newcastle Brown mixed with a shooter of toilet water. Very disappointing, borderline awful... While I'm on the subject, I hate Newkie Brown. My twin spent a semester in Newcastle and never once came across the hometown-named brew. Americans may be the only ones dumb enough to actually ingest this stuff! Mon Mar 31 13:37:24 -0700 2008 3546481 126991 aburkavage 4 3571477 If there's a worse beer than Newkie Brown, I have yet to try it. Mon Apr 07 17:30:05 -0700 2008 3546709 165800 jhopp217 5 3571514 If it's a goal to have the worst beer ever, try to get your hands on Utica Club. Nothing comes close. Mon Apr 07 17:38:48 -0700 2008 3571477 10027 Chris VR 4 3584424 Newk makes a good dessert beer, light and sweet. Last beer of the evening before todding off to bed. But only on tap. Fri Apr 11 10:38:20 -0700 2008 3546709 13136 Loren3 1 3547105 A mixture of Bass and Guiness is sacrilege. I have no idea how bass snuck into that mixture. First, the original Black and Tans were paramilitaries that are very infamous in Ireland. Bloody Sunday was a name given to a day on which Black and Tans opened fire on the unarmed players and crowd at a football match. Mixing Irish and English beer and naming it after such a group? Seems weird, imo. Second, it's a waste of both beers. Each has some character, so mixing them together does what besides make a different looking beer? It waters down what character each has. Finally, you can make one with anything that will interrupt the flow of the Guinness and let it sit atop the lighter-colored, but denser beer, which is already in the glass. Mon Mar 31 15:16:54 -0700 2008 3528359 18017 Captain 2 3547332 I expect the Bass/Guinness combo came about in the US when both were imported by the same company. Mon Mar 31 16:33:58 -0700 2008 3547105 10998 Jim Dorsch 3 3573180 I've seen it now with wheat beers: Blue Moon/Guinness and SA Cherry Wheat/Guinness, but I've neglected to sample either. Tue Apr 08 09:14:24 -0700 2008 3547332 180670 jtpeters 4 3574497 I've seen a drink made from Brooklyn Black Chocolate Stout and Lindemans Framboise, called a black & red. Those in the DC area might recall Bardo Rodeo's Dreamland, made from Dremo Tibetan Sasquatch and Graceland Imperial Stout. Tue Apr 08 14:22:59 -0700 2008 3573180 10998 Jim Dorsch 2 3597251 This topic reminds me of a favorite drink of a good few years back. Not sure where the name came from (as it actually had a number of names) or where the original idea came from. Half larger half bitter created a refreshing drink called 'Golden' - at least that was what it was called in Northern England, at least one other name I heard in London was a "Mickey" (apparently as Scousers where one of the few people to drink it??). The mix of beers was obviously dependant on the pub and what they had on draft but a nice mix of Greenalls and perhaps a Castlemaine or a Carling was one combination I recall. Tue Apr 15 14:02:17 -0700 2008 3547105 58434 rob133 1 3584451 A little info on black-and-tan vs. half-and-half. http://www.ivo.se/guinness/bnt.html I grew up with the idea that the orthodox black-and-tan had to be Guinness and Harp, and the half-and-half was Guinness and Bass. I also always felt that either one was the only way to make Guinness palatable. Maybe it's just my genetic taste-bud makeup, but to me Guinness tastes like something you would scrape out of the bottom of a Navy ship's coffee urn two weeks later. Fri Apr 11 10:44:59 -0700 2008 3528359 13136 Loren3 2 3595465 Woa woa woa woa, Loren! Easy there! A properly poured Guinness from just about any pub in Ireland is the finest libation on the planet. If you haven't indulged, you haven't lived. I, for one, am offended by your assessment and think that maybe you should never be allowed to post on the Beer board again... KIDDING, but seriously... Have you ever had a good Guinness? I'm always astounded by people comparing Guinness to a milkshake or to "something you would scrape out of the bottom of a Navy ship's coffee urn two weeks later". In actuality, a perfectly poured Guinness is smooth, refreshing, surprisingly light, and very drinkable. Tue Apr 15 07:00:03 -0700 2008 3584451 126991 aburkavage 3 3595691 AMEN, there is NOTHING like a perfect Guinness! The first one after a hard day at work is completely refreshing and delicious! Tue Apr 15 08:00:55 -0700 2008 3595465 182441 DapperDave 3 3596373 I have never had one in Ireland, but have heard that it is night and day to what we call Guinness here in the states. That being said, I know the pour is a big deal, but to me it's the temperature. I don't like the room temperature deal, but I also don't like Guinness too cold. I don't know the ideal temperature, but I think that makes a big difference between a milkshake and the finest libation on the planet. I Tue Apr 15 10:34:46 -0700 2008 3595465 165800 jhopp217 3 3607606 Guinness anywhere, so long as it was brewed five years before drinking, is good stuff. When fairly fresh and poured by a practiced hand, it's wonderful. Fri Apr 18 11:18:22 -0700 2008 3595465 18017 Captain