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josephml1 Mar 23, 2008 11:21 PM

Hello everyone, I need a restaurant recommendation in San Francisco.

I need One fancy and several casual restaurants.

Aso cheap good food for the hurry days.

Please let me know your opinions.

I am going to be in San Francisco 5 days.

Thanks :)

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  1. Carrie 218 RE: josephml1 Mar 24, 2008 07:54 AM

    Best start is by reading the following thread and ask more specific questions afterwards:
    http://www.chowhound.com/topics/469166

    With over 4,500 restaurants in this city, your query is simply far too basic for anyone to respond.

    1. josephml1 RE: josephml1 Mar 24, 2008 05:19 PM

      I like Italian, chinesse, steak house, seafood.
      I will have a car so the transportation is not a problem.

      Thank You all.

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        wolfe RE: josephml1 Mar 24, 2008 05:33 PM

        I will have a car so the transportation is not a problem.
        Parking is.
        Where are you staying?

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          josephml1 RE: wolfe Mar 24, 2008 06:05 PM

          In Fishermans wharf..

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        clemsonkd RE: josephml1 Mar 24, 2008 06:35 PM

        Oh .... I've been waiting for this thread!

        First: Don't go to Boulevard. We spent well over $200 between my husband and I: waste.

        Cheap Eats: Taquiero Cancun in the Mission ... Rosamunde Sausage Grille in the Haight (sp?) and of course the magnificent Tartine bakery. Oh my gosh all of that is DELISH. OH wait ... Fritz Fries (sp?) were also pretty good. You must visit these three. (FF optional). I'm drooling w/ envy right now.

        Chez Panisse in Berkley (short train ride) is delicious splurge.

        Yank Sing (the Chinese restaurant) IS kinda touristy ...but you know what? I'm a tourist and the dim sum is damn good.

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          josephml1 RE: clemsonkd Mar 25, 2008 10:34 AM

          I am taking notes thank you for the advice :))))

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            foodiesf RE: clemsonkd Mar 25, 2008 07:32 PM

            Umm...yesterday Boulevard was nominated for a James Beard Award for outstanding restaurant. It's one of only 5 nominees in the entire USA. You may have experienced it on a bad night, and it may have been a "waste" to you. But the fact is that Boulevard is a world-class restaurant and it's very much on top of its game right now.

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            Boulevard Restaurant
            1 Mission St., San Francisco, CA 94105

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              rworange RE: foodiesf Mar 25, 2008 10:01 PM

              Boulevard gets very mixed reports on this board with a recent report that slammed it ... which I agreed with every word. That's the nice thing about Chowhound ... people don't have to rely on what the experts think but what regular diners whose tastes might match your own think.

              I'm sure the people giving the award were not paying for their own meals ... which has been my problem with Boulevad ... good enough food but not enough to warrant the prices ... there's better in town at that price point.

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                ML8000 RE: rworange Mar 25, 2008 10:21 PM

                I don't get Blvd...I've eaten there twice and was disappointed both times. One time I had the famous brined pork chop and it was dry and tasteless. The second time was worse and I wasn't expecting much. I could see one off night, but at those prices, two chances is beyond most people's tolerances.

                The James Beard award is nice...good for them. It won't make my two meals better, or get me to go back.

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                  foodiesf RE: rworange Mar 26, 2008 12:38 PM

                  Of course I'm not ignorant of the "mixed reviews" here. And of course I'm not saying that Boulevard is perfect and that everyone who goes there has a life-changing experience. That's not my point. Instead, my response was in reply to a self-identified "tourist" who said to another would-be visitor, flat out, "don't go there." And my point was this -- wait a minute, Boulevard has been part of the food scene here for a decade plus, it's internationally known, and it has just been nominated for the prestigious James Beard for Outstanding Restaurant. You can quarrel with the nomination, of course, or the qualifications of those who choose the nominees. But a non-local can't flat out dismiss a restaurant that has been so good for so long and just got a James Beard nomination. It would be foolish to do that. You may choose not to go, of course, but you can't just dismiss it without appearing, in my mind, to be unaware and/or biased.

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                    Ruth Lafler RE: foodiesf Mar 26, 2008 02:34 PM

                    On the other hand, since it's so well known, it doesn't need to be touted on Chowhound. The whole point of Chowhound is to go "beyond the hype" -- if someone just wants a list of the top-reviewed established restaurants in San Francisco, there are plenty of other places to find that information.

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                      Paul H RE: Ruth Lafler Mar 26, 2008 02:43 PM

                      It is also true that a well-reviewed and established restaurant doesn't automatically mean it is "over-hyped" and over-priced. Boulevard is my safe choice for impressing visiting guests whose chow seriousness I am not sure of. I've been there close to twenty times and it always delivers the goods.

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                        Ruth Lafler RE: Paul H Mar 26, 2008 03:58 PM

                        Just to clarify, I didn't say Boulevard was either overhyped or overpriced. But a visitor who does even the most cursory investigation of SF restaurants is not going to miss hearing about Boulevard -- I'm sure it appears prominently in virtually every guidebook and restaurant site for SF, which I think constitutes "hype" (whether or not you consider the hype excessive or justified).

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                        foodiesf RE: Ruth Lafler Mar 26, 2008 05:05 PM

                        Oh, I disagree. Going "beyond the hype" is surely "a" point of Chowhound. But it's certainly not the "whole" point. Unless you're a Founder of this site, I just don't know how you can assert what the "whole" point of Chowhound is.

                        Everyone uses this site for different reasons, and every poster posts based on different experiences. I've read OP's who want a list of the current "hip" restaurants, or the most "trendy" cocktail lounges. So, for some people, the point of Chowhound is to get the hype and then experience the places. It's not my purpose of being here, and it's clearly not yours either. But it may be for some people.

                        << "Since it's so well known, it doesn't need to be touted on Chowhound." >>

                        Just because a restaurant is well known, then apparently it's not supposed to be given compliments and praise here on Chowhound? Huh? Whose "rule" is that?

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                          Ruth Lafler RE: foodiesf Mar 26, 2008 05:08 PM

                          Well, that's what the site's "manifesto" says.

                          But what I really meant by "beyond the hype" is that the point of this site is to share our personal opinions and experiences, and not just parrot conventional wisdom or press releases. Whether or not a restaurant has been nominated for an award is irrelvant. If you personally think it's a good restaurant or have had a good experience there, then please share it.

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                        rworange RE: foodiesf Mar 26, 2008 03:02 PM

                        I like your posts foodiesf and thought about posting that. I guess if you had said you really liked the restaurant from personal experience it would have been better than just dragging out awards, not matter how prestegious.

                        Why would a vistor's one meal be any less valid than a local's one meal? Most of us have a few restaurants we go to repeatedly, but for some of the top restaurants most of us go once or a handfull of times, at most. If that first visit isn't great, even locals are reluctant to drop another $200 for another chance.

                        I'm sure this poster read all the media praise and was vastly disappointed by the experience and this is probably a more useful post in that it might lower expectations and let people decide on whether it is for them. There are no sacred cows.

                        Even acknowledging your fellow posters as in 'there are mixed reviews on the board. Some people agree with you but it just won the James Beard award so a lot of people hold it in high esteem" ... would have been better than dismissing someone's experience. Sometimes when someone makes a statement that I disagree with, I'll ask them why they feel that way.

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                          The Chowhound Team RE: rworange Mar 26, 2008 04:03 PM

                          Hi Hounds, sorry to interrupt, but this is starting to veer off-topic. Let's just focus on the chow. For discussions about the James Beard awards, please continue on the Not About Food Board. Thanks!

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                            foodiesf RE: rworange Mar 26, 2008 04:20 PM

                            I don't post except on "personal experience." That goes without saying on all my posts. Sorry that wasn't clear. Do some people post without having a personal experience with the restaurant? Wow. I don't.

                            And I didn't "dismiss someone's experience." Please re-read my post. The poster, who is not a local, made the blanket statement that Boulevard was "a waste." And I disagreed with that, and pointed out that Boulevard just won the James Beard, and I urged the OP not to discount it entirely. That's all I said. Nothing more, nothing less. Pointing out a contrary point -- namely, that Boulevard just got a James Beard nomination -- is far, far from discounting his experience. It's simply another point of view. Discounting his experience would be saying, "You're wrong. Your experience didn't happen." And I never said that.

                            "Why would one visitor's meal be less valid than one local's meal?"

                            It's not that a local's opinion is more "valid." It's that a local's opinion is likely not based on a single encounter. Because I live here, I've been to Boulevard probably 20 times over the years, at all phases in the restaurant's growth. I've heard "the hype," and I've tested "the goods" against the hype many, many times. It's simple statistics -- with this many encounters, there's less risk of an "outlier" experience (either reallly good or really bad) that would skew the result. So locals (or others) who have multiple encounters with a restaurant have more data on which to rely, and that makes their experiences more representive of the "norm," which in turn tells a reader what his/her future experience is more likely to be like. That's a law of statistics, not something I made up, and that's why it's relevant.

                            I have lived here since 1991, and in my opinion there are very, very few restaurants that have maintained such a presence in this town for as long as Boulevard. Certainly Zuni...and Masa's....and a handful of others...but Boulevard is, without question, in very rarefied company. And the James Beard nomination is yet further evidence that Boulevard is an institution that shouldn't be dismissed out-of-hand. That's the minimum that the nomination says, in my opinion.

                            That was my only point -- to tell the OP that James Beard had a contrary point of view to the poster's, and to suggest to the OP that s/he not dismiss Boulevard so quickly. I'm sorry that you felt I dismissed the poster's experience. That was not my intent.

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                              Ruth Lafler RE: foodiesf Mar 26, 2008 05:10 PM

                              You still haven't said whether you've eaten there recently and what the food was like.

                  2. iclee RE: josephml1 Mar 26, 2008 12:06 AM

                    Hi josephml1...you may want to check out my link since I saw car/seafood/steak in your question (meaning somewhat similar to mine)....

                    http://www.chowhound.com/topics/498286

                    Enjoy your stay

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                      josephml1 RE: iclee Mar 26, 2008 12:33 PM

                      Thank you for the link :)

                    2. josephml1 RE: josephml1 Mar 28, 2008 01:29 PM

                      What about restaurant recommendation in Napa Valley and Sonoma.

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                        Robert Lauriston RE: josephml1 Mar 29, 2008 10:07 AM

                        Napa:

                        http://www.chow.com/search?search%5Bq...

                        Sonoma:

                        http://www.chow.com/search?search%5Bq...

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                        crostini RE: josephml1 Mar 29, 2008 10:05 PM

                        FANCY: I would recommend having dinner at the The Dining Room at the Ritz Carlton. You won't be disappointed. They are located in Nob Hill. It's worth every penny. I also like La Folie (http://www.lafolie.com/) if you're looking for a nice French meal. La Folie is located in the Upper Polk area.

                        Oh and if you're in San Francisco you must have dim sum. Check out Yet Wah....it is one of my favs! It's not as expensive as Ton Kiang and the food is great. It's located on Clement Street (x-street is 23rd). http://www.yetwah.com/

                        Enjoy!

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                          josephml1 RE: crostini Mar 31, 2008 08:59 PM

                          Excellent advice...Thank you very much for your opinion :)

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                            Ruth Lafler RE: josephml1 Apr 1, 2008 09:46 AM

                            Yet Wah makes the best potstickers I've ever had. And I've had a lot of potstickers. http://www.chowhound.com/topics/33085

                        2. josephml1 RE: josephml1 Apr 2, 2008 11:08 PM

                          What about a good bar with happy hour and good starters? :),

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                            Robert Lauriston RE: josephml1 Apr 3, 2008 08:38 AM

                            http://www.chow.com/search?search%5Bq...

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                              josephml1 RE: Robert Lauriston Apr 5, 2008 09:41 AM

                              Thank you for the link...

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                                josephml1 RE: josephml1 Apr 24, 2008 07:06 PM

                                GOOD GYRO IN SF?

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                                  Robert Lauriston RE: josephml1 Apr 25, 2008 09:13 AM

                                  Schwaerma at Truly Mediterranean, al pastor at Taqueria San Jose.

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                                    josephml1 RE: Robert Lauriston May 1, 2008 05:58 PM

                                    Thanks __:)

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                                      catciao RE: josephml1 May 1, 2008 07:43 PM

                                      I was in SF recently and had dinner at Bar Tartine (recommended on this board) and had the most amazing meal I've had in some time. And I live in NY, so there's no shortage of good food where I live. Run, don't walk. It was that good. It's on Valencia between 16th & 17th, as I recall.

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                                        josephml1 RE: catciao May 3, 2008 11:30 PM

                                        One of my top choices...:)))))
                                        Thanks. :)

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