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anelyson Mar 18, 2008 12:27 PM

Boyfriend's bro is in town after spending a couple of weeks in Tokyo. He is all about tasting the best sushi in NYC. Of course there is Nobu but wondering how the competition stacks up. Any thoughts?

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    cimui RE: anelyson Mar 18, 2008 12:32 PM

    Don't take him to Nobu for sushi, anelyson. I'd try Kuruma Zushi, Sushi Yasuda, and/or Soto (for something a little different).

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      Miss Needle RE: cimui Mar 18, 2008 12:34 PM

      Agree. Nobu is fine for their nouveau (well, not so nouveau by now) dishes but not for their sushi.

    2. viniferaNYC RE: anelyson Mar 18, 2008 12:38 PM

      Sushi Yasuda, hands down. Nobu is good, but no competition. Nobu may have a the upper hand on the ambiance, but Sushi Yasuda has better food. They serve the freshest fish I've ever had, they fly it in from all over the world every morning. The place itself is very simple, but calming. The floor, walls, ceiling, tables and sushi bar are made of solid bamboo planks. Try their uni, toro and clam - they're blissfull. I'd recommend sitting at the bar, all their chefs are excellent. For an extra treat, see if you can get Yasuda himself. They're located on 43rd/2nd Ave.

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        john RE: viniferaNYC Mar 18, 2008 12:52 PM

        Second Yasuda. It is AWESOME.

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          Miss Needle RE: john Mar 18, 2008 01:09 PM

          A caveat with Yasuda -- I also think it's the best in NYC (along with Kuruma). However, I've heard from people who've been to Tokyo that Yasuda is definitely a step below the best places in Tokyo. I haven't been to Tokyo so I can't comment on it myself.

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            cimui RE: Miss Needle Mar 18, 2008 01:37 PM

            True, Miss Needle: sushi in NYC is never going to be as good as sushi in Tokyo. So maybe the answer to "Where do I take a sushi snob for sushi in NYC" is: "not to a sushi bar."

            Maybe... barbecue or smoked fish?

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              anelyson RE: Miss Needle Mar 18, 2008 01:54 PM

              Duly noted with thanks!

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                oonth RE: Miss Needle Mar 18, 2008 03:13 PM

                Personally, I don't go along with that assertion. For me Sushi Yasuda is as good as any sushi I've had around the globe (including Tokyo and elsewhere in Japan) and their peace passage oyster nigiri is total and utter food heaven. What would make good sense to me is an assertion that across the board and at all price points sushi (and sashimi) in Tokyo/Japan is a LEAGUE above sushi (and sashimi) in New York or other non-Japanese city.

                The only flaw I have found in Yasuda's armoury to date is their nori which is soggy rather than crispy so I simply avoid any gunkan nigiri or rolls when eating there.

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                  guttergourmet RE: oonth Mar 18, 2008 03:25 PM

                  Hey oonth- are you back slumming in NYC? Did you get to Soto yet?

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                    oonth RE: guttergourmet Mar 18, 2008 04:06 PM

                    hey gutter. i was in NYC for a week in feb, i will shortly post a report with some thoughts on some of the places i visited/revisited, it was mostly a very fine week of scoffing. annoyingly i didn't make it to soto in spite of best intentions - i really needed it to be open at lunchtime as the evenings filled up quickly catching up with friends and i wasn't always in control of restaurant choices.

                    i've actually decided against moving back to NYC and am in the fortunate (or unfortunate) position of trying to work out where to go live (and work). i think a return to tokyo might be on the cards for the coming summer.

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                    cimui RE: oonth Mar 18, 2008 04:13 PM

                    hey oonth! nice to see you. :)

                    i haven't spent as much time in tokyo as you (just two week stints at a time, mostly working), so haven't had time to explore the sushi scene as much. but for what it's worth, my strong impression, based on the places I tried there, is that the fish at yasuda would be considered good (maybe very good?), but not great, in tokyo. i think in part, it does affect the flavor a bit that all sashimi in the US has to be flash frozen.

                    if you are going back, i'll ask around for names of restaurants and post on the Asia board. (my memory for longer japanese restaurant names is pretty awful.)

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                      oonth RE: cimui Mar 19, 2008 04:11 AM

                      hi cimui. yes please those recs would be appreciated. and thanks again for the NYC tips you gave me a few weeks back - i didn't end up getting to any of them i don't think (too many old faves to revisit) but i looked into them and it has helped me keep abreast of latest developments and goings on. i need people like you to be my culinary eyes and ears in NYC now that i am no longer living there.

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                        cimui RE: oonth Mar 20, 2008 04:57 PM

                        hi oonth. your response, here:

                        http://www.chowhound.com/topics/501171

                        there's plenty of time for you to come back and try new places in NYC, so no worries on that front. and it sounds to me like you were quite productive with your time. you hit up yasuda twice in one visit, which is not too shoddy, y'know!

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                      Silverjay RE: oonth Mar 19, 2008 03:32 AM

                      I think the nori at Yasuda is excellent. He uses a very high quality type on something that many sushi shops might shortcut. The time I went, I had a small discussion with him on the nori he uses. And his negi-toro maki for example, with meat his team scrapes from tuna bones wrapped in that excellent nori, is terrific.

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                        oonth RE: Silverjay Mar 19, 2008 05:27 AM

                        The nori just didn't do it for me on my 2 most recent visits in mid Feb, I was surprised, I agree that Yasuda is a perfectionist and his refusal to take short cuts sets him apart from the competition.

                        I was paying particularly close attention to the sushi peripherals as had just had 3 weeks travelling around Japan eating lots of hosomaki amongst other things. We found gold standard nori in some unheralded sushi bar in Nagoya - apparently Aichi prefecture is renowned for high grade seaweed - it was wonderfully crisp and flavoursome. Nowhere else on our travels did we find that standard and the stuff at Yasuda was not in the same league.

                        Maybe just a blip and it certainly won't put me off revisiting many times in the future, in every other respect I found his perfectionism to be intact.

              2. guttergourmet RE: anelyson Mar 18, 2008 01:57 PM

                I'd say kuruma, yasuda, soto, 15 east and ushi wakamaru.

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                  rjm RE: guttergourmet Mar 18, 2008 02:54 PM

                  Definitely 15 East or Soto

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                    Cpalms RE: guttergourmet Mar 19, 2008 05:54 AM

                    i'm suprised at the 15 East reco....I though that place very weak, dumded down, gringoized, its an insult to Yasuda to put 15 East on the same level...I'd even go to the non-tradition Sushi of Gari way before 15 East....I concur on the others however....Jewel Bako still any good?

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                      kathryn RE: Cpalms Mar 19, 2008 08:51 AM

                      Interesting you say that 15 East is weak, as the chef there is ex-Jewel Bako.

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                        Cpalms RE: kathryn Mar 19, 2008 09:47 AM

                        didnt know that....15 East is still uninspired and very expensive

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                      happytoo RE: guttergourmet Mar 19, 2008 07:14 AM

                      How about Seki?

                    3. raji212 RE: anelyson Mar 21, 2008 05:51 AM

                      That he spent 2 weeks in Tokyo does not mean that he necessarily had good sushi there. But average sushi and sashimi there is as good as the better places here. To an earlier poster, most fish is flash frozen in Japan too, i.e. the tuna and salmon. I would not go to 15 east or Soto, here he'd probably scoff that he can get the same for much less in Japan. Rather I'd go to Yasuda, Ushi Wakamaru or Shimizu

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                        TheDescendedLefticleOfAramis RE: raji212 Mar 22, 2008 01:40 PM

                        What's your take on Ichimura?

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                        girllovesfood RE: anelyson Mar 21, 2008 06:07 PM

                        Sushi Yasuda and Seki both AMAZING!!!!!!!

                        1. thew RE: anelyson Mar 22, 2008 08:32 AM

                          id say sushi yasuda
                          kanoyama
                          and sushi of gari are all great

                          i've never been to soto tho - but after reading this it's on my list of places to go

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                            frankbooth RE: anelyson Mar 22, 2008 09:03 AM

                            Yasuda, Sushi of Gari.

                            we had omakase at gari 2 nights ago- perfect! absolutely delicious! worth every penny... enjoy fb

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                              Caillerets RE: frankbooth Mar 22, 2008 10:11 AM

                              Yasuda can be better than a lot of Sushi in Tokyo, but it is not competitive with the top Sushi in Tokyo. The closest one can get to comparing is Masa - but that's a huge price commitment.

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                                Tay RE: Caillerets Mar 22, 2008 01:53 PM

                                That's a $400 pp price commitment!

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                              Tay RE: anelyson Mar 22, 2008 01:52 PM

                              anelyson
                              I'd blow up the box and not put myself in a position to listen to him tell you how much better everything was in Tokyo.
                              Tell him you think he's been "sushi'd out' and then take him to some great restaurant like Per Se or Jean Georges, Daniel, etc...:-}

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                                anelyson RE: Tay Mar 23, 2008 02:31 PM

                                Ha! Good thought. Although all this discussion about the best sushi in Manhattan has made me anxious to get out there and taste a bit more of the stuff myself.

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                                ywwan RE: anelyson Mar 23, 2008 02:52 PM

                                Sasabune - omakase only. Fish is extraordinarily fresh and much better value than Yasuda etc.- $55-65 market price of fish. Butterfish dish is to die for. All the rest is great if you want to spend a lot of money. Tokyo sushi vastly over-rated. Fresh fish is fresh fish.

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                                  thew RE: ywwan Mar 23, 2008 05:50 PM

                                  i live right by sasabune but never been i heard the rice is warm is that true?

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                                    guttergourmet RE: thew Mar 24, 2008 05:44 AM

                                    rice is warm and very good

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                                      thew RE: guttergourmet Mar 24, 2008 06:09 AM

                                      ok..ill have to try it... but it seems strange to me

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                                  coltrane RE: anelyson Mar 23, 2008 04:39 PM

                                  sushi sekki (63rd and 1st avenue)

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