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Gimlet ratio?

alanbarnes Mar 15, 2008 07:04 PM

Having been on a bit of a gimlet kick lately, I was suprised to stumble across this recipe on Chowhound: http://www.chow.com/recipes/10255

Not that Raymond Chandler has the final word on mixology, but in "The Long Goodbye" he indicated that a proper gimlet is equal parts gin and Rose's Lime Juice. The Rose's bottle advocates a 3:2 ratio. This recipe calls for 1/4 ounce of Rose's to 2 ounces of gin, or 8:1.

Ever open to new ideas, I gave it a try. And IMHO this just isn't a gimlet. The Rose's is perceptible, but is an accent note rather than a major player in the flavor of the drink. Sort of like the lime in a gin and tonic.

Carried to an extreme, I suppose that Churchill gimlets (gin without lime juice) could be the next rage. But how do we tell them apart from Churchill martinis (gin without vermouth)? If you just want a glass of gin, why not ask for it?

Any other gimlet lovers care to weigh in on this one?

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  1. alkapal RE: alanbarnes Mar 15, 2008 07:34 PM

    chow recipe is not a gimlet. too weak on rose's. i follow rose's recipe ratio.

    1. stellamystar RE: alanbarnes Mar 17, 2008 12:40 PM

      Do you have to use Rose's Lime Juice for the gimlet? Does Rose's have extra sugar added to the lime juice? Or, could you just squeeze up some limes?
      I am new to the gimlet world!

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      1. re: stellamystar
        alkapal RE: stellamystar Mar 17, 2008 12:57 PM

        i guess you could squeeze limes and add sugar, but rose's has a distinctive flavor.
        i think the recipe in this link is a bit too dry, but it has some historical tidbits accompanying it: http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/10/Tas...
        ditto: http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/sylt...

        1. re: stellamystar
          JMF RE: stellamystar Mar 17, 2008 02:42 PM

          You have to use a lime cordial which is sort of like a lime simple syrup. Rose's is the original lime cordial.

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            chazzerking RE: stellamystar Oct 27, 2008 04:32 PM

            Personally, i prefer a 5:1 ratio of gin to Roses, with the juice of about a quarter lime added. It tastes fresher than the Rose's only. It's a little off topic, but I've found a delightful alteration that I learned from the bartender at PokPok Thai in Portland OR. He uses Amarena cherry syrup(that the cherries come packed in) instead of about 2/3 of the Rose's, adds a little fresh lime juice and garnishes with an amerena cherry. It produces a lovely pink glow,... and looks nice in the glass too! (rimshot here) It has a little more complex flavor than the plain jane one.

          2. JMF RE: alanbarnes Mar 17, 2008 02:41 PM

            Personally I don't like Gimlets, specifically the lime cordial.That said, the Rose's cordial is intrinsic to the gimlet.

            The Savoy Cocktail Book suggests equal parts gin : Rose's, stirred
            Gary Regan suggests 2-1/2 oz gin or vodka : 3/4 oz lime cordial (Rose's), stirred
            Dale DeGroff suggests 2-1/2oz gin : 1/2 oz Rose's, shaken
            William Grimes suggests 2 oz gin (or vodka) : 1/4 oz Rose's, shaken
            The Bartender's Black Book suggests 3-1/2 oz gin or vodka : 1/4 to 1 oz Rose's, stirred
            The Ultimate A to Z Bar Guide suggests 2 oz gin : 1/2 oz Rose's, shaken

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            1. re: JMF
              stellamystar RE: JMF Mar 17, 2008 04:11 PM

              Thanks everyone! I will give Rose's a try.

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                AManHastoEat RE: JMF Mar 22, 2008 07:26 AM

                I make mine somewhere between the Regan and the Black book. A lot depends on the fruitiness of the gin and who I am mixing for.

                Slightly off topic, one of my favorite summer drinks is 3 oz of Tanqueray and the juice of a small lime over ice. It might be too tart for most people, but I find it very refreshing to drink under the sun.

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                  hawkeyeui93 RE: AManHastoEat Jul 27, 2013 08:17 AM

                  Fresh lemon juice is lovely too ... and if you add a little Ginger Beer/Ginger Ale, then you have a Gin Buck.

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                TimeMachine RE: alanbarnes Mar 17, 2008 08:27 PM

                I know Rose's is the accepted way of making a gimlet but I find the drink too bland. I make a gimlet using equal parts freshly squeezed lime juice to gin and sugar. Add enough sugar to the lime juice to taste good, add the gin, shake with ice, & serve up.

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                1. re: TimeMachine
                  stellamystar RE: TimeMachine Mar 18, 2008 07:20 AM

                  do you use regular, granulated sugar or powdered?

                  1. re: stellamystar
                    alkapal RE: stellamystar Mar 18, 2008 07:43 AM

                    use superfine sugar, so it dissolves well. or use plain old granulated sugar that you have processed to fine. powdered sugar has cornstarch, typically.

                  2. re: TimeMachine
                    atheorist RE: TimeMachine Dec 2, 2008 06:19 PM

                    That sounds good. Simple sugar (syrup) works too. Only if it were impossible to get fresh limes would I resort to Rose's.
                    Gimlet: One part fresh lime juice, one part triple sec or good stuff like Gran Gala, two parts gin.
                    Like a margarita only with Gin and no salt!

                    1. re: atheorist
                      invinotheresverde RE: atheorist Dec 3, 2008 08:17 AM

                      "Like a margarita only with Gin and no salt!"

                      Also, not a Gimlet.

                      1. re: invinotheresverde
                        ShadowedOne RE: invinotheresverde Dec 4, 2008 12:08 PM

                        I'd second that. For me a Gimlet is defined by it's use of Rose's Lime. I won't even use another Lime Cordial. I tried making homemade lime cordial and it was certainly quite good but the resulting cocktail wasn't a Gimlet.

                        My $0.02

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                          MMRuth RE: ShadowedOne Dec 4, 2008 12:16 PM

                          I agree. I don't make them at home, but am always disappointed when I get one at some upscale place that insists on using fresh lime juice. It's not the same.

                        2. re: invinotheresverde
                          atheorist RE: invinotheresverde Dec 5, 2008 06:33 PM

                          Well OK. I will stop calling it a gimlet. And drink what I please.

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                            invinotheresverde RE: atheorist Dec 5, 2008 08:17 PM

                            Always drink what you please, of course.

                    2. JK Grence the Cosmic Jester RE: alanbarnes Mar 21, 2008 01:58 AM

                      The way you tell a Churchill gimlet from a Churchill martini is that for the martini you glance at the bottle of vermouth from across a crowded room, while for the gimlet you do so with the Rose's Lime.

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                      1. re: JK Grence the Cosmic Jester
                        t_g RE: JK Grence the Cosmic Jester Oct 27, 2008 09:50 AM

                        i find it unbelivable how often i look drink recipes up on chowhound + they're totally wrong (meaning: totally different from the standard recipe)

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                        The Big Crunch RE: alanbarnes Jul 22, 2013 05:29 PM

                        Gin and lime juice is not a Gimlet. It's like saying, "I like martinis, but I make them with gin and a dry pinot grigio that I mix with some herbs and a touch of brandy, but it's still a martini because it has gin, and wine that has been fortified. " A Gimlet uses lime cordial. If you don't like lime cordial and gin, then you don't like Gimlets. If you make it with something other lime cordial you're making a different drink. It may be a delicious drink you're making, but it's not a Gimlet.

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                          JMF RE: The Big Crunch Jul 22, 2013 06:03 PM

                          Well, I have a "Fresh Gimlet" I put on the menu in two places I work with. Yes, it isn't a traditional Gimlet because I really dislike Rose's. And yes, it tastes great. It may be a different cocktail, but...

                          I also make a great lime cordial to use in a traditional Gimlet, that blows away Rose's. I still haven't totally nailed down the recipe for the Lime Cordial, but I use lime zest simmered in simple syrup and cut with lime juice, then clarified.

                          Fresh Gimlet
                          2 oz. Gordon's or Tanqueray Gin
                          1 oz. fresh Lime juice
                          3/4 oz. simple syrup
                          1 dash Angostura bitters

                          Shake on ice and strain into a chilled cocktail glass. Garnish with a lemon peel, twisted over the top, then placed in the cocktail.

                          1. re: JMF
                            Dapuma RE: JMF Jul 25, 2013 09:28 PM

                            The Mrs likes Hendricks Gimlets, but does not like Rose's Lime in them either, what would you say are good ratios for that gin?

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                              JMF RE: Dapuma Jul 26, 2013 07:51 AM

                              I would say start with the same amounts as I list. It's a pretty traditional ratio for many cocktails. The one dash of Angostura really works, but two is too much. By dash I mean exactly a scant 1/8 tsp., not just a dash from the bottle. I have the bartenders use a bottle with an eye dropper and I measured out now much 1/8 tsp. fills the dropper.

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                                Dapuma RE: JMF Jul 26, 2013 05:17 PM

                                thanks JMF, I have some rhubarb bitters that only have an eye dropper, i was wondering what one or two dashes would actually be, i am going to give that Bourbon recipe a shot this weekend so 1/4 teaspoon = 2 dashes is very helpful

                                Next time i make her a gimlet I will give it a shot with the Angostura and see what she thinks

                                1. re: JMF
                                  Dapuma RE: JMF Aug 3, 2013 02:03 PM

                                  The Mrs loved the Gimlet, we ended up going out afterwards to another well known place for cocktails and she had their gimlet and she said the one i made was better - so that is always nice to hear :) - The touch of Angostura is really a nice addition

                                  They also shook it instead of stirred so there was ice shards all over it, but don't get me started there

                                  I don't know why i keep asking for mai tai's either because I asked if they could make a decent one and i got another in a collins glass with an orange garnish (sigh)

                                2. re: Dapuma
                                  The Big Crunch RE: Dapuma Jul 26, 2013 10:59 AM

                                  So, she likes a two ingredient cocktail but hates half the ingredients? Why not make her a Gin Rickey, which is sort've like a Gimlet but uses lime juice instead of Rose's and tops the thing with soda water? A Gin Rickey is one of my absolute favorite ways to enjoy gin, far more than a Gimlet, and IMO works quite well with Hendrick's, though I prefer it with Boodles.

                            2. Atomic76 RE: alanbarnes Jul 29, 2013 10:05 PM

                              Wow, I cannot even begin to imagine how syrupy and sweet a 1:1 ratio Gimlet would be, and even a 3:2. I would just be explicit with the server/bartender how much Rose's Lime Juice you like in yours. I don't drink Gin Gimlets, usually Vodka ones if I do, and I prefer them closer to an 8:1 ratio personally.

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                                The Big Crunch RE: Atomic76 Aug 3, 2013 02:20 PM

                                Gin versus vodka makes a big difference here. If you're drinking a gin gimlet, you are drinking a liquor that actually has a strong and distinct flavor and interacts with the Rose's to produce a new and distinct flavored cocktail. A vodka gimlet features a flavorless booze that basically will just taste like Rose's lime juice with an alcohol kick. To me, they're two entirely different cocktails.

                                A 2.5 oz London dry gin to .75 ounce Rose's gimlet is a wonderfully smooth, sweet/tart, refreshing, balanced and somewhat sophisticated tasting drink, and not syrupy in the slightest. I recommend Boodles and stirring for around 40 seconds when using homemade ice cubes.

                                1. re: The Big Crunch
                                  Atomic76 RE: The Big Crunch Aug 6, 2013 07:38 PM

                                  Thanks! I will have to give that a try sometime. I enjoy gin from time to time, I just never had it as a gimlet before.

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