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THE Best in Amsterdam

zuriga1 Mar 13, 2008 10:03 AM

We need three top picks for a business trip to Amsterdam. Money is no object, and we are looking for good ambiance, delicious food (of any sort) and any neighbourhood. We are not necessarily out to impress business associates but are more interested in a really yummy meal.

Thanks in advance. Also... how far in advance would you book the restaurants?

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    nitsuj RE: zuriga1 Mar 15, 2008 06:47 PM

    The Five Flies (http://www.thefiveflies.com/nl/index....) is far and away my favorite. The ambiance is great (loads of history), the food is fantastic and the service is top notch (even by US standards). Try their multi-course 'surprise' menu; it changes regularly and will blow you away. This is an absolute must and should be booked, even if only a couple of days before..

    Colonization of Indonesia has resulted in many things, some amazing, some vile. On the amazing side is the Rijstaffel, or 'rice table.' The experience is one of foodie dreams: essentially, you'll end up with a table covered in 20+ small dishes of varying description, with the authenticity inherent in having such a large Indonesian population. I can't recommend any specific restaurant...I've tried three, all of which were great and all of whose names escape me. Search around a bit and you'll find plenty of online debate and advice.

    Not that it's unavailable elsewhere, but there is some great food in Chinatown. New King is one of the best and always has a line.

    For a truly 'local' experience, snack in cheese shops, grab some steak tartare (filet americain) from any AH (even if it does look like a 7-11), eat herring from a street vendor, get frites from a hole in the wall and check out the menus at some of the pubs around town...Het Molenpad on Prinsengracht is one of my favorites, with delicious mussels, some great game meat dishes and a menu that changes daily (as well as some damn fine Belgian beers on tap).

    Whatever you do, don't forget a slice of dutch apple pie.

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      zuriga1 RE: nitsuj Mar 16, 2008 07:59 AM

      Thanks for all the tips! I've been to Amsterdam before but missed The Five Flies... I'll definitely try to book something there this time. We had Rijstaffel that trip at Samoe Seba (hope I got that right), and it was quite a wonderful experience. I know people have their favourites, but that was fine with me and could do with another visit.

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      k1127 RE: zuriga1 Mar 17, 2008 01:42 PM

      I have been to Amsterdam three times and never have any luck finding good food. It is hard to come by a good meal. There are tons of yummy desert and snack foods.

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        nitsuj RE: k1127 Mar 17, 2008 03:32 PM

        I hear that! Amsterdam is far from a culinary mecca. Its strength lies in its large immigrant populations, but the foodie fruits of those populations tend to be in holes in hole-in-the-wall eats rather than business class dining.

        Living over there, The Five Flies was my go-to for business, anniversaries & birthdays, out-of-town visitors and the like. Any attempts to stray were disappointing (I tried the town's most highly regarded, Michelin starred sushi bar once and paid a couple of hundred a head for a meal that a decent stateside sushi-train would be embarrassed by). Expensive spots seem to be more about impressing someone by taking them somewhere 'high-end' than about the food.

        That said, I can point you to some of the best sandwiches, 5euro pizzas, shawarma and bitterballen that I have ever encountered.

        In my experience, there is a huge difference in attitudes towards food and drink. In the USA, we often laugh and poke fun at the archaic multi-martini lunch and keep business dealings sober; by and large, I'd say that the Dutch would not only refrain from laughing with us, but ask us why we feel the need to be so judgmental of those martini guzzlers. You tend not to take someone out to dinner; you take them out drinking and, if you haven't already eaten, you eat what is convenient.

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          zuriga1 RE: nitsuj Mar 18, 2008 04:44 AM

          Please... do send along any good sandwich or pizza options.. anything you enjoyed. To be honest, I'm not sure about the lack of Americans who drink their way through lunch. I used to work in the town that IBMers and Texaco people went to for their lunches... I could never figure out how they went back to work!

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            nitsuj RE: zuriga1 Mar 29, 2008 07:33 PM

            My favorite sandwich joint is Singel 404 (both the name and address). It's only open for lunch and usually very busy. They have a couple of (smallish) floors and tables outside, in season. Their sandwiches are typically so stuffed that you'll have a hard time closing them, let alone picking them up. You'll find great combinations involving things like smoked chicken, goat cheese, pine nuts, avocado, honey...customization is more than welcome. Try something on the waldkorn (a fresh dark multigrain bread) and have a glass of the fresh lemonade.
            There's a takout only place on...hmmm...it's one shop up the canal from the northeast corner of Leidsestraat and Keizergracht (I think...might be one canal over on Prinsengracht). Always busy, always good.
            Van Dobben, just off Rembrandtplein, is the king of bitterballen and croquettes, but also have an obscenely huge menu of simple, but decent, sandwiches.
            For pizza, I always head down the street on the left side of the bulldog/sports cafe from Leidseplein (Korte Leidsedwarsstraat?). Ignore all the folks trying to drag you into the tourist joints, cross the next (small) intersection and you'll see two italian places, across the street from each other, offering 5euro pizzas. They are the same and they share kitchens; the second was opened to accommodate demand - a hell of a recommendation. The quality/price combo keeps them popular with students, the location is great and they make a killer shawarma pizza.

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              zuriga1 RE: nitsuj Mar 29, 2008 10:51 PM

              Many thanks!

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          synergy RE: k1127 Mar 18, 2008 10:14 AM

          I highly recommend a small bistro restaurant called Seasons. They do have a web site so if you google them I"m sure you'll find it. Food was wonderful...so good we went twice in the week we had in Amsterdam. If we lived there we'd be regulars at this lovely restaurant.

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            wildfire RE: k1127 Mar 26, 2008 07:38 AM

            I go to Amsterdam all of the time and I have never had a problem finding good food! Granted, there are also some places that are not great, but if you want a cheap snack or pastry go into any of the little shops. However, as far as dinner, etc goes, it is just a matter of how much you are willing to spend. I think amsterdam has some amazing food, it just tends to be rediculously expensive.

          2. oonth RE: zuriga1 Mar 22, 2008 03:13 AM

            http://www.chowhound.com/topics/394524

            Zuriga, here are my recs from last year. Not sure if you got these on the UK board before the CH moderators intervened and cut short our chatter.

            I actually don't concur with the views expressed in this thread - I've been numerous times and have always eaten well in Amsterdam but then again I've always been guided by local food loving friends.

            Enjoy.

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              zuriga1 RE: oonth Mar 24, 2008 08:21 AM

              Thanks, oonth. I'm late seeing this as I always forget to check this board. So little time... so much food. :-) I enjoyed what we ate in Amsterdam a few years ago, and I'm sure we'll have the same experience this visit - especially with the boss paying.

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              Harters RE: zuriga1 Mar 24, 2008 03:06 PM

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              As I've mentioned on the UK baord, the furthest I've ever travelled just for a meal was Manchester - Amsterdam to eat at Tempo Doeloe. Worth every penny of the flight, hotel and meal.

              I can't recall the place's name but there was another restaurant a couple of doors or so away that specialised in Dutch classics (as fas as my very limited language skills indicate) - casseroles, fish, etc. Perhaps a Google on Tempo's street name might ID it.

              Eet smakelijk

              J

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                zuriga1 RE: Harters Mar 26, 2008 01:32 AM

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                Will do - thanks. I had my first Indonesian feat at age 15. That memory has never left me.

                J

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                  zuriga1 RE: Harters Mar 26, 2008 01:39 AM

                  J

                  I did a Google of the street and came up with about 8 restaurant names. None seemed terribly familiar, but that doesn't mean much. I've been pondering De Kas and also just found a webpage with some other tips... an Italian place called Envy sounded interesting for Italian.

                  J

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                    Harters RE: zuriga1 Mar 26, 2008 07:35 AM

                    Yeah. I Googled as well, looking to see if I could find an online "traditional" menu at one of them but drew a blank. Maybe it doesnt have a website. Maybe my memory cells are failing faster than I thought.....

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                      zuriga1 RE: Harters Mar 26, 2008 12:23 PM

                      I have a friend who lives close to Amsterdam. I should probably just write and ask for ideas, but I feel bad doing that when I really won't have time to see her. We'll come up with something. Unfortunately, Mr. Z. is usually knackered after a day of standing and talking and doesn't care that much what he chows down. You probably just had a senior moment... not to worry. :-)

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                      nitsuj RE: zuriga1 Mar 29, 2008 07:01 PM

                      Envy, Supperclub and Nomads are all part of the same group. I've been to events at both Supperclub and Nomads and had a phenomenal time. They are beautiful, Supperclub with its mixed decor, from the minimalist upstairs to it's bizarre lower level and Nomads with its North African theme, but was let down by the food at both. Don't get me wrong; they are decent, but the food didn't live up to the fantastic surroundings. Both are more about the scene than the meal. Having walked past Envy dozens of times (it's a few blocks down Prinsengracht from my flat...and Het Molenpad), I have to say that it looks far better (the front window is on the open kitchen), but I always gave it a miss, based on past experiences with the group. That said, it's worth a look, at least!

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                        zuriga1 RE: nitsuj Mar 29, 2008 10:54 PM

                        Maybe you can help with my narrowed down list. We'll be staying near the RAI for obvious reasons and the following sound good... Vis aan de Schelde (fish) and Le Garage (won't be worrying about price). I also like the idea of de Witte Uyl. Oddly enough, our last personal stay was in the same neighborhood, near the Concert Hall and museums. I'll feel right at home. Thanks for your help.

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                    KaCHing RE: zuriga1 Mar 31, 2008 01:32 AM

                    I'm not sure why no one has mentioned De Kas. We've had wonderful meals there on a number of occasions and the setting is lovely. Do a search on these boards for it - I know it's been discussed a number of times.

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                      zuriga1 RE: KaCHing Mar 31, 2008 02:29 AM

                      Thanks... I had De Kas on my list but came across a few other choices this weekend. We'll be near the RAI convention centre and apparently there's a very good fish place there called Vis aan de Schelde. I might also try Le Garage and have a reservation at de Witte Uyl. I'll have to go back to Amsterdam soon again!

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                        oonth RE: zuriga1 Apr 7, 2008 11:55 AM

                        Zuriga, your Amsterdam trip must be coming up and you've no doubt selected your eating places but I cast my mind back to my previous visits and had some more thoughts.

                        De Belhamel on the canals is one of Amsterdam's best established restaurants and I had a very nice and romantic meal there back in 2002. Here's a link to the website:

                        http://www.diningcity.nl/debelhamel/

                        A walk down Haarlemmerstraat in the Jordaan is very worthwhile on a number of fronts. On both sides, the street is dotted with nice shops, cafes, restaurants, bakeries etc. There used to be a very good pan Asian place at No 62 which I see from a google has now been replaced by a Mediterranean place called Lof, it sounds promising:

                        http://www.frommers.com/destinations/...

                        North Amsterdam is very vogueish at present, you can jump on a passenger ferry which leaves from near Centraal to get there, it's the old docks area which is being revitalised and there's some good stuff going on including some nice bars with lovely outside terraces suitable for all age groups and tastes.

                        Also do not miss high grade Dutch cheeses like Old Amsterdam and aged Gouda both containing salt flakes which add wonderful flavour and texture alike.

                        Enjoy your trip.

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                          Harters RE: oonth Apr 7, 2008 12:42 PM

                          A second cheese vote for "Old Amsterdam". A world away from the rather bland Edam & Gouda that one normally comes across. Bring some back to enjoy (as well as some of the grey shrimps - see the current Brussels thread - http://www.chowhound.com/topics/504917)

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                            zuriga1 RE: Harters Apr 8, 2008 01:01 AM

                            Will look for the shrimp, John. I've never met one I didn't like.

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                            zuriga1 RE: oonth Apr 8, 2008 12:59 AM

                            Thanks a lot, oonth. You're right.. the trip is next Monday. Sad to say, I've also been concentrating on shopping treats as well as the food. :-) I didn't realize that North Amsterdam is 'kool.' I'll try to get over there and do remember passing it last time while on a boat. I've booked 3 dinner places and will report back on those.

                            Yes, will definitely bring back some cheese. I don't know Old Amsterdam but Gouda was a big favorite in the States. This husband doesn't eat much cheese, but I do and know so much more than I did before my arrival here.

                            Pray for sun.

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                              oonth RE: zuriga1 Apr 8, 2008 02:36 AM

                              Look forward to your report Zuriga. I was there pretty much this time last year and we had good weather so cross your fingers on that front.

                              Glad you're enjoying cheese culture in Europe, it's great and there's just so much to discover from the various countries as you've no doubt realised. Which reminds me that I am on a Sparkenhoe Red hunt this week, as tipped by John.

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                                zuriga1 RE: oonth Apr 8, 2008 03:25 AM

                                I know I'll be chastised for changing the topic. Until then....

                                There is a very good farm shop not too far from us. They have a very good selection of cheeses, but I don't remember Sparkenhoe Red. It's far for you to travel (the shop is near Reigate/Dorking, but you could give them a call.
                                01737 823304 Priory Farm Shop

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                                helmie RE: zuriga1 Apr 10, 2008 01:25 PM

                                Zuriga, new here but from Amsterdam, most of my life anyway. Foodshopping is serious fun here. For the best 'slow' food' cheeses head to the Kaaskamer in the Runstraat (an area called the 9 streets, many small shops, quality). They can give you a taste of what Dutch farmers cheese is supposed to taste like! (which is def. not old Amsterdam (industrial cheese). For the quality farmers products, head out to the Boerenmarkt in front of the Noorderkerk every saturday. Or go to the brand new organic store Marqt on the Overtoom, they sell regional farmers products from around amsterdam. Haven't been there, but the store looks good!
                                Restaurants: some of my favourites: Van de Kaart - Prinsengracht, (http://www.vandekaart.com/) not the most glamorous setting, but for years now for me the most glorious food. For a hidden treasure: smack on the Rembrandsplein is the original Cafe Schiller,(not the hotel !) the only surviving gem of the Dutch twenties, with original interior, oil paintings and small cafe tables and all that's coming with some great food and wine (and beer), always a treat for me. If you want to try and find traditional Dutch and not touristy (like the Five Flies) try Greetje http://www.restaurantgreetje.nl. For the (expensive) expierence of eating very well amids the 'activities' in the Red Light District, try to find Blauw aan de Wal, really well hidden but worth it. (Oudezijds Achterburgwal 99).
                                For everything on restaurants, instead of a long list, go to
                                http://www.iens.nl/english/restaurant...
                                here you'll find comments (in english also) and grades given by amsterdam people themselves, with adresses and site. Sometimes usefull and much used by as well, though not always by foodies. Everyone is really excited about Azuma1, Leidsekruisstraat 29 (http://www.azuma1.nl/) a new teppanyaki restaurant. I wonder if that is because of the discount voucher on their website, we Dutch love discounts. Well, could go on, but hey.
                                Have a great time here. I do.

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                                  zuriga1 RE: helmie Apr 11, 2008 02:36 AM

                                  Thanks for all your suggestions, helmie... much appreciated as we leave on Monday. I'm not sure, but am 90% positive we ate at the Cafe Schiller last time were were in Amsterdam. We enjoyed it very much! One day will be spent with an Amsterdam friend. It'll be interesting to see what he comes up with as a favorite spot. I think we all love those vouchers. :-)

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