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Visiting CIA Greystone, need help

zeph74 Mar 6, 2008 12:38 AM

I'm a chef in Maine and plan on attending a 5 day course at CIA Greystone at the end of this month.

Its a bit sudden, I know. Since the courses end in the afternoon, I should have some evening time to enjoy the area.

I would really like to visit the French Laundry, but the tasting menu is a bit pricey. I may just end up going for the heck of it, just to visit and the possibility of getting a book signed by Thomas Keller.

Is there anything else, even non-food related that I should not miss out on while I am in the Napa area?

Also if I'm not asking too much...is there a cheaper place to stay in the St. Helena area other than on campus or El Bonita, both were roughly $600-700 for 5-6 days. My courses start at 7AM, so I wouldn't want anything extremely far...I'm definitely not a morning person.

Thanks in advance

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  1. Carrie 218 RE: zeph74 Mar 6, 2008 08:05 AM

    Actually, spending just over $120 a night for accommodations in wine country is pretty cheap. There are some $75 rooms in Calistoga which is about 15 to 20 minutes north of St. Helena, but the money you will save will put that much further away from the south party of the valley, where you will probably want to be spending more time.

    Don't miss going to the French Laundry, regardless of the money. You will also want to make a trek down to downtown Napa for Ubuntu, the latest hot restaurant in all of California (being written about from as far East as the NYTimes). The drive back down to lower Napa for the Ubuntu dinner will take about 45 minutes so having to turn around to head back up towards Calistoga would add a lot of driving, if you see what I mean.

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      margieco RE: zeph74 Mar 6, 2008 11:32 AM

      I've thoroughly enjoyed every meal I've had at greystone so I'd definitely dine there one night if you could.

      I'm one of the few detractors of french laundry, but I really didn't find my meal there worth all the time and effort. Sure, there was nothing bad. But my expectations, while certainly high, were not met. We'd have better versions of almost each course at some other fantastic restaurant around the area.

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        Nina RE: zeph74 Mar 6, 2008 05:38 PM

        I'd stay on campus if you can. I stayed in Calistoga while I was attending an event at Greystone recently -- early morning drives in the foggy dark through unlit back roads are not so much fun when you're on deadline.

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          zeph74 RE: Nina Mar 6, 2008 07:58 PM

          Thanks for the replies.

          I forgot to mention, that I am on a budget of sorts. While I'm not afraid to spend money for something totally worth it, I am also a big fan of local favorites, hidden gems, hole-in-the-walls, whatever you want to call them.

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          zeph74 RE: zeph74 Mar 7, 2008 06:56 PM

          My boss told me not to miss Bistro Jeanty in Yountville. He mentioned another place in Napa...short name, began with a T...i think.

          Anyway, thanks for the suggestions everyone. Anyone have any more? Possibly some foodie related activities in the area?

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            Carrie 218 RE: zeph74 Mar 7, 2008 07:46 PM

            Terra (?) is in St. Helena and is owned and operated by Hiro Sone and Lissa Doumani - one of my preferred restaurants in the valley.

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              zeph74 RE: Carrie 218 Mar 8, 2008 06:41 PM

              Yea, that was it, Terra. He said it was a number of years ago though and didn't know if it was still there.

              Any other suggestions? The trip is not only a learning experience, but a vacation, so any other activities or nightlife spot recommendations would be appreciated greatly.

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                The Chowhound Team RE: zeph74 Mar 9, 2008 05:32 AM

                We're sorry, but Chowhound has a very narrow mission--where to find deliciousness. General travel planning questions, like where to stay or what else to do while visiting a town, are off topic for our boards. Please keep your replies focused on helping the poster find great chow, as off topic replies will be removed.


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                  SteveG RE: zeph74 Mar 10, 2008 12:13 PM

                  Terra may be the oldest high quality restaurant in the valley, if you're only looking at restaurants with the same chef owners. It was started in 1988, and still seems to be going strong though Michelin only gave it 1 star. Any recent chow opinions?

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                    maria lorraine RE: SteveG Mar 10, 2008 07:37 PM

                    Ate there two weeks ago. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, as always.

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              santoku45 RE: zeph74 Mar 9, 2008 09:50 AM

              You can walk in to Thomas Keller's Ad Hoc in Yountville and eat at the bar, ordering only what you want (not the whole prix fixe). That could be a self-guided tasting menu right there. Last time I was there the bar (about 6-8 seats) was pretty empty around 8:30.

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                zeph74 RE: santoku45 Mar 9, 2008 09:53 AM

                Wow sounds cool! The place is called "Ad Hoc"?

                Sorry Chowhound Team, I'll stick to the topic of Chow. Was just looking for some friendly suggestions.

                1. re: zeph74
                  Carrie 218 RE: zeph74 Mar 9, 2008 10:03 AM

                  Zeph, if it is any consolation, beyond the suggested opera house and the occasional movie theater, there isn't much in the Napa area that ISN'T food and wine related!

                  The main tourist industry is wine (obviously) and much of the towns tend to close up in the evening other than the restaurants. You are going to be in classes all during the day when there would be opportunities for touring local wineries or tasting at some olive oil producers. Near the CIA is a brew-pub which makes pretty good artisinal beers and you might want to go there one evening (not to eat, but just to hang out) and ask the locals what else is going on during your stay. I'm sorry I can't remember the name, but it is just north of Deer Park Road on the main drag. Good beer! There might be some evening events going on that we aren't going to be privy to, like small wine tasting events and the like.

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                    maria lorraine RE: Carrie 218 Mar 10, 2008 07:39 PM

                    Carrie, I don't know if you've hung in Napa lately, but even I can say it's kinda hoppin' for a rural place at night now. Main Street Napa is a blast now at night, and Calistoga, seven miles straight up the road from the CIA, has consistently had the most nightlife in the valley.

                    The bar you're speaking of is Silverado Brewery. The Calistoga Inn, mentioned below, is also a micro-brewery. With music every night.

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                      Carrie 218 RE: maria lorraine Mar 10, 2008 07:41 PM

                      Thanks, Maria -- nah, I have been in the area at night for almost two years. Nice to know its livened up; back then, I had to go to Sonoma for action!

                      And thanks for the reminder of Silverado. Do chefs still hang out at the bar at Bouchon on late nights? That was always a great place to hang out to chat with local chefs after 10:00ish...

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                        maria lorraine RE: Carrie 218 Mar 10, 2008 07:50 PM

                        Well, c'mon on up. I, uh, know who you are. You can email me at the address on my profile.

                        Re: Silverado Brewery. I respect what they're trying to do there -- they certainly use good raw ingredients, but this will reveal my individual preferences: It's a beer place and I'm a winehead. It's a sports bar, and that's generally not the type of place I hang out because I'm more of an arts person and prefer that vibe. But I adore Bouchon's bar. One of my favorites. Much prefer the bar to the tables, and from what I understand it's still a late-night foodies' place.

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                          zeph74 RE: maria lorraine Mar 10, 2008 08:02 PM

                          Good to know about Bouchon, thanks. While I enjoy sports, I'm not a big sports bar fan.

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                            maria lorraine RE: zeph74 Mar 10, 2008 08:24 PM

                            zeph, I have some leads for you. Email me (on profile).

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                            Carrie 218 RE: maria lorraine Mar 10, 2008 08:35 PM

                            Maria, I'm right there with you on Silverado -- I just know that was where the Assistant Winemakers would go and hang-out, chatting about the next possible promotion and inside dirt on the local wineries. That was the only reason I was going there...

                            And maybe I *will* come back up some time! Thanks!

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                  dalaimama RE: zeph74 Mar 9, 2008 12:14 PM

                  You can eat very well in Napa Valley without breaking the bank.

                  Go to the bar at the Calistoga Inn. Great beer and it's a fun place. There is a restaurant that is good as well and if the weather is nice, it's wonderful to eat outside.

                  Some reasonably priced places in the area are Cantinetta which is the grocery/sandwich cafe attached to Tra Vigne, Bouchon, and there are also Dean & Deluca and Oakville Grocery for really good sandwiches.

                  If you don't want to spring for a full meal at Greystone, definitely sit at the bar and have a glass of wine and some appetizers. The food is always great and it's a fun atmosphere.

                  The French Laundry will be booked solid, so the best thing to do if you really want to go is call them and throw yourself on their mercy. If they don't have anything, go in person and remind them that you called and beg again.

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                    zeph74 RE: dalaimama Mar 9, 2008 08:15 PM

                    I emailed the French Laundry 4 days ago, no reply.

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                      Carrie 218 RE: zeph74 Mar 10, 2008 07:52 AM

                      They will not reply in that fashion. You need to go there in person when you arrive and tell them of your availability during the week you are there. Only then might you get a last-minute cancellation.

                      1. re: Carrie 218
                        maria lorraine RE: Carrie 218 Mar 10, 2008 07:40 PM

                        Be sure to mention you're a CIA student.

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