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Fieri pushing TGI Fridays

I guess its inevitable, Tyler pushing Applebees, Bayless pushing Burger King for a while, now you don't even have to have chops to be the hired gun. Guy Fieri is in the latest TGI Friday ads. I don't go there much but if they put "Money!" on the menus, I will definitely not go back.

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  1. I caught a quick glimpse of it last night and if it is what I think it is, it's downright brilliant. It's a cross-promotion for Ultimate Recipe Showdown. Friday's site features the recipe and the person who submitted it. I guess you go in and vote for your favorite. There's even a drink pairing!

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    1. re: southernitalian

      I have a friend who's been working there for several years, going through all the changes they have over the past 8-9 years. Used to have all his buttons and the suspenders uniform, and they featured all those candy-bar-frozen drinks on the menu - those were the things that made the place famous back in the 80's!

      Now the menu has those faux-"tinis" and they all wear logo polos. How boring! I want chicken fingers and daiquiris when I go to Friday's, not friggin' cosmos.

      Guy Fieri looks right out of 1999. Backstreet-Boy-blonde-tips and those shades. I guess since they are being "trendy" now serving cosmos, like those girls drink on that BRAND NEW show Sex and the City, he fits into the TGI Friday's time warp.

      1. re: deibu

        "Used to have all his buttons and the suspenders uniform".....LOL! I believe those are called "flair".

    2. Rick Bayless is pushing Burger King? I never liked him - that facial hair configuration of his creeps me out - and now I can add "pathetic fast food shill" the list.

      Why Burger King? I think I'd have more respect for him if he partnered with Taco Bell. Seems more appropriate.

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      1. re: punkin712

        Bayless pitched for BK when they introduced a line of low-fat chicken baugette sandwiches back in 2003. The first one was a southwestern version, which is why they though Bayless would be a good fit. His reasoning was that he felt the sandwich he pitched was a much healthier alternative to other items on the menu and he might help people make better dietary choices. I heard that he gave all the money BK paid him for the commercial to charity.

        1. re: punkin712

          Punkin, thanks so much for assuring me I'm not the only one who is freaked out by Rick Bayless' facial hair!! Don't know why it bothers me so much, but I don't like it. He was actually one of my favorite celebrity chefs- he shows so much passion on One Plate...I just wish he hadn't sold out- first with the Frontera bottled sauces and then with BK. So sad.

          1. re: Cinnamom

            I love the Frontera Chipoltle, It's a damn fine sauce.

            1. re: rozz01

              Its a very disappointing sauce... no flavor depth at all.

            2. re: Cinnamom

              Selling sauces that he developed for his restaurants is selling out? He (with some others) started the company that bottled and sold the sauces.

              The BK thing was questionable, I'll agree though his intent actually seemed defensible to me.

              1. re: ccbweb

                I'm not sure if his intent was to donate it to charity. I read somewhere that he got a lot of flack for doing the BK spot that he ended up donating it to charity. That being said, I still like him.

                1. re: Miss Needle

                  Actually, I was thinking more that what he signed on to help advertise was a set of lower fat chicken sandwiches on baguette rather than burgers and fries. I remember it being pretty clear at the time that he saw it as a chance to try to change what was being served at fast-food restaurants like BK.

                  1. re: ccbweb

                    I see. Yeah, I guess that doesn't seem as horrific as peddling their burgers and fries. I wasn't too happy with his affiliation with BK, but that doesn't change the way I feel about his TV show.

                    I'm still waiting for the day I'll see Bourdain promoting McDonalds. You never know ...

                    1. re: Miss Needle

                      Bourdain said he would shill anything for Prada.

                      1. re: Phaedrus

                        not surprised-he will say anything if he thinks it makes him look cool

                        prada bags are ugly as sin

                2. re: ccbweb

                  Didn't mean to sound so negative- perhaps selling out was too strong a term. I still love his show. But I do worry he's spreading himself thin. Because I like him, I don't want him to go the way of Emeril- I'm not sure, but did his branding start with selling some spices? Anyway, to stay on topic Guy Fieri started out as a brand, so I am not surprised at all to hear of his partnering with Fridays. Seems a perfect match...

                1. re: southernitalian

                  yep. the last time he was on Martha, it was shaggy and wispy all at the same time. eeks!

              2. Phaedrus, A few year's back TGI Fridays was in a slump and cut server wages while their upper management kept the same salaries. That was YEAR'S ago and I haven't been back and never will. Hopefully the land barons of Olive Garden will have their way with them and leave the Friday's execs as well used concubines face down, covered in ranch dressing, in the land of mediocre food.

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                1. re: Leper

                  For five years I worked in a building with a Friday's right next door. It was the only sit-down restaurant nearby. I never set foot in it, and I don't remember any of my co-workers eating there, either. This was in an office park with a lot of empty space for rent, and their parking lot was usually empty; I wonder just who did eat there.

                2. TGI Friday's might be an upgrade from Guy's restaurant, Tex Wasabi's: Southern BBQ and California Style Sushi.

                  http://www.texwasabis.com/

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                  1. re: ML8000

                    As I understand it, Tex Wasabi's was the second restaurant FIeri and his partner created/developed/opened. Johnny Garlic's was the first. I haven't eaten in either, so I can't speak to the quality of the food but Johnny Garlic's is something like 12 years old.
                    Have you eaten in any of his restaurants?

                    1. re: ccbweb

                      I haven't been to either restaurant and I don't have a desire to check them out. I'm sure Johnny Garlic's is okay but Tex Wasabi...nada, never.

                      Otherwise, how can anyone blame anyone for trying to get ahead and making a little promotional money. Isn't that why people chase success? I'm just not interested in checking out his restaurants.

                      1. re: ML8000

                        I used to go to Johnny Garlic's in Windsor all the time when I lived there. Guy was great -- did field trips for the local schools, and fundraisers for cheerleading teams going to nationals, etc. Let the kids wait tables and keep the tips, etc, and a portion of the profits from the night as well. My all-time fave is the Cajun Chicken Fettucine Alfredo, and I love the Garlic Fries! I haven't been there in a few years, as I moved a few hours north of there, but it was a fun family restaurant -- crayons for the kids (big kids too!) to write on the paper table covers. And just an FYI -- he didn't serve TGIF-style pre-cooked airplane style food like Applebees, etc. It was all fresh, and there were also "Hunter's specials" that varied from wild game to alligator or ostrich, depending on the month. The food was just as good at their Fair booth also. Guess you have to be from NorCal to understand it... sorry for those of you who aren't -- it's beeeeautiful here!

                  2. That Glaring Idiot Fieri is a perfect match for a true slophouse like TGIF. Sizzling Skillets of deep fried garbage piled high with melted cheese and jalapenos. What has America become ? FN has become more concerned about gimmicks and cheesy catchphrases than cooking and instructional information.

                    Pathetic......................

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                    1. re: TonyO

                      Wow, Tony, issues much?

                      I really don't have much opinion about TGIF one way or the other, but I do have to agree with southern italian - it's a pretty masterful way to promote the Ultimate Recipe Showdown series, which I caught an ep of the other night and actually found pretty interesting.

                      1. re: Suzy Q

                        No issues, just not much of a fan of restaurants that pass off mass produced, overprocessed crap as "award winning" recipes that are hawked by some made up hack. You gotta problem wit that ? As far as being "masterful", I can think of a few other words that come to mind.............

                        1. re: TonyO

                          Fridays, Applebees, Bennigans, Ruby Tuesdays, Chili's, they are all the same. Only stop there when I am with other people and they won't go anywhere else. *sigh*

                          1. re: TonyO

                            You said:

                            "You gotta problem wit that ?"

                            Give me a break. You've made your position pretty clear - no need to rip off the Sopranos.

                            I don't personally have a problem with the existence of chain restaurants, including TGIF, as many people seem to. I may or may not choose to eat there, but I don't deny them - or Fieri - their right to make a buck.

                            1. re: Suzy Q

                              Yeah I "ripped off the Sopranos" because God knows they coined so many catchprases that never existed prior to that show. Maybe James Gandolfini can get a show on FN and come up with some new recipes for TGIF like The Bada Bing Burger, Swimmin' with The Fish and Chips, or something with a Southwest twist like The Fogitaboutit Fajitas. As Rachel Ray would say, "Delish" !

                              1. re: TonyO

                                That would actually show remarkable consistency, because those recipes are about as authentically Italian as the Sopranos was as a TV show.

                          2. re: Suzy Q

                            I just finished watching most of an episode about comfort foods (mac and cheese, sandwiches, and something I missed because I had to have mac and cheese). That Marc Summers is tiresome. Guy is what he is. He's not as annoying on this show (yet) as his other. The recipes were pretty interesting. As someone who has been in the advertising industry for 20+ years, I think this is a "money" cross-promotion and win/win for FN & TGIF. Wouldn't bring me into a TGIF but nothing would. But I bet it's a pretty successful campaign that you'll see someone copy in some lame way soon.

                          3. re: TonyO

                            I totally agree!! Fieri is a giant bag of douche and the Food Network has gone way down hill. They would choose Guy Fieri and Giada DiLaurentis over Tony Bourdain and Mario batali.

                          4. Ugh, another pathetic ad for a chain. Pre-processed slop, soaked in high fructose corn syrup, drenched in salt, and served with a side of unadulterated fat. And people wonder why this country is obese?!!?!?

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                            1. re: jjbourgeois

                              Exactly. Maybe they should pair their offerings with a toy and go after the younger audience. It worked for McDonalds. TGIF: That Garabage is Foul.....

                              1. re: TonyO

                                Foul indeed! I just saw the commercial and in one of the clips they take a fried chicken sandwich (or some other unappealing burger fare) and dip the whole thing in a cup of ranch dressing. I can appreciate making endorsement money, and the tie-in with the recipe showdown show - but doesn't dipping the entire recipe in ranch kind of, sort of, maybe defeat the purpose?

                                Now, if there were a toy involved - that'd be a different animal entirely.

                                1. re: Prax1134

                                  Defeat which purpose? Perhaps the ranch was a part of the recipe.

                                  1. re: Prax1134

                                    I haven't seen this kind of hatred for a chain since the last Cheesecake Factory thread I read on this board.

                                    Prax, so you're saying that ranch on a sandwich is OK if a toy is involved? Or that ranch on a sandwich is never OK? Sorry - not quite getting your point, unless you're just echoing Tony.

                                    1. re: Suzy Q

                                      The "give me a toy at the end" was very tongue in cheek but I've come to expect that deciphering tone in text is impossible and someone is always going to take offense.

                                      Ranch on a sandwich is fine, but the idea of taking the whole sandwich and dipping it into a cup of ranch just seems disgusting to me. Why not just drink straight from the cup? Why bother with anything between the bread and say "this is an ultimate recipe!" if the whole thing is going to be soaked in ranch?

                                      And, if I have a say in the matter, I'd like a Pokemon please.

                                      1. re: Prax1134

                                        Prax, maybe you can contact TGIF with a drink concept like the Ranchatini or Guy's Rockin' Ranch Rumble.

                                        1. re: TonyO

                                          LOL - Sadly I think that America is quite ready for the marriage of ranch dressing and alcohol. That's money.

                              2. Because a less than mediocre chain is using a mediocre personality to promote them, you won't go to the chain? I'm not sure that's an issue for me. You couldn't pay me to in a TGIFriday. I don't have a problem with Guy.

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                                1. re: irishnyc

                                  I'm with you, on this one. TGIF's is never a place I want to go..I've been once, and that was enough..It was just so forced, bland and hokey. Wow, reminds me of a certain new pitchman for them! They go very well together, actually.

                                2. What amuses me the most is that they really seem to tinker a lot with the recipes that they're ultimately given as a result of Recipe Showdown. Ahi Tuna burgers? Yeah, they kept the fact that it's Ahi Tuna...and then made it into sliders, and then did this and that.

                                  I loved the episode tonight where the plantain sandwich won. I thought "Hey, this looks really cool and edible--- TGI would be smart to keep it intact!"

                                  Nope. They basically just threw some plantain slices on and pretended it was the same thing. So what's the point of offering these folks the opportunity to have their food on the menu when it's not even their recipe?

                                  I'm not a TGI Friday's fan anyway so I guess I shouldn't be that offended, but the increasing commercial tie-in stuff is just a little intolerable. No wonder they didn't want to hold onto Batali- if you don't want to play ball with FN when it comes to commercialism then I guess you don't belong there!!!

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                                  1. re: mumblety

                                    I was VERY excited when I heard about this show. I know a lot of people here don't like FN, but between this and Travel Channel, it reignited my passions with food after a long absence from my short acquaintence with it when I worked catering in college and I've been suffering from a long illness.

                                    It's really given me great ideas and I've been a lot more adventuresome..Saturday I made tongue tacos and pork belly. But I digress...:)

                                    They didn't show commercials from the actual show, or maybe I didn't catch them. I don't have a huge problem with TGIF, because it is an answer for picky eater get togethers. But the show is SO overproduced, SO centered on the restaurant...I just can't watch it. I was really hoping it would be another Iron Chef competition.

                                    I'm sure the biggest factor in that competition isn't taste, but adaptability into a menu, and marketability. I'm sure Consentino could dish up honeycomb tripe in a blind testing that would knock their socks off, and lose, because no one would order that in a TGIF.

                                    A local girl is on in the Dessert section to, so I'm still not sure if I'm going to suffer through it to watch her. It might be telling about the judges judging techniques..the newspaper article had a long list of her awards and accolades. She's a stay at home mom, that makes this her 'hobby' but it sounded like a better job than most!

                                    1. re: mumblety

                                      I like the show, like Guy and don't have much of an opinion on TGIF, but I was disappointed when they screwed up the plantain sandwich. The plantains were the "bread" of the sandwich and were one of the reasons it was a cool unique sandwich, and then to change the sandwich the way they did by putting it in bread was a shame. If I was the winner I would have been mucho disappointed! Actually I thought the chili winner should have won, but that's another story!

                                      1. re: russban

                                        So you have tried the plantain sandwich as made on the show? Did the plantains work for you? I ended up throwing out the last plantain that I bought because it never got ripe.

                                        I'm not surprised that they adapted this, and other recipes. What works at home, or in a competition kitchen, might not work in a restaurant. For one there are the logistics of getting a uniform product across all the stores of the chain. They have to consider how it fits with the rest of the menu, and what the customers will buy.

                                        paulj

                                        1. re: paulj

                                          Maybe TGIF can deliver the Mac & Cheese + French Onion soup more faithfully to their customers?

                                    2. I was wondering how long it would take him to go "commercial" it was inevitable.
                                      "everyone in the TGIF pool" now thats MONEY

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                                      1. re: lori529

                                        Great googly moogly....these are people who are on national television shows. They're already "commercial."

                                        1. re: Phaedrus

                                          Just havin' some fun over here. Some of the comments here are really easy targets ! Any grown man that wears shorts with a suit jacket is either really in need of attention or is a complete idiot. My guess is 50/50 with Guy. I saw noe episode of Michael Chiarrelo's show (you know the one that takes place at his home in Napa) and he introduced "his friend Guy Fieri" . Now besides both having names that seem to be Italian in origin, can you think of a more odd pairing ? One guy is about as civilized and metrosexual as it gets and then in comes some buffon that looks like he was a roady for Poison. Maybe if they are truly friends, it explains how Guy has become a staple on the network.

                                          1. re: TonyO

                                            TonyO: yes, the short pants are... idiotic? Moronic? A travesty against good sense? At least when Batali started doing it, it was original.

                                            1. re: litchick

                                              And I think that is how Batali really dresses. For the other idiot, it is part of some characterization attempt to "brand" him.

                                              The FN really has become a joke. First it was excessive cleavage (not really relevant to cooking but has it own merits.....) then over the top morons like Fieri, the bloke who lied about his background, and The Delicioso Dimwit to name just a few. They make Emeril look like Paul Bocuse..............

                                              1. re: TonyO

                                                Sorta looks like Poochy " the rockin' dog " from Itchy and Scratchy dont ya think?

                                      2. I wonder if folks would be as upset if it were Marc Summers doing the ads. Fieri's goofy demeanor and mid 90s dress may rub some people the wrong way, but apparently it works to his benefit.

                                        I don't think anyone really expects the food at TGIF to be any good...right? I go there when I want cheap happy hour beer and something deep fried that's terrible for me. It's not often, especially now that I have better options, but since they have happy hour from 10 pm on, it's hard to resist sometimes.

                                        I don't care anywhere near as much as some folks, but maybe I'm more in line with the target demo of a TGIF than the traditional 'Hound (single, young, relatively frugal male who has lots of unadventurous friends in OC :p )

                                        1. my husband and i went to tex wasabi's the other night- the third time we decided to give it a chance. still not very good and sushi not very fresh. it's alot like tgif so i was very surprised when i saw him doing an ad for tgif (i'm a cpa so haven't had time to watch much food channel recently) because seems like he's competing with himself at least in our town- the places are less than a mile apart!

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                                          1. re: toncasmo

                                            "Sushi not very fresh". Does it get any worse than that ? Maybe chicken or pork carpaccio........ Way to go Guy !

                                          2. Seriously what is with the way this guy dresses and his bleached spiked hair? He is stuck in a fad from the mid-90s. It just really confuses me.

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                                            1. re: jdestes

                                              Guy is an improvement over that cornball he supplanted, Jim O'Connor.

                                              I'm curious to know how the relationship with TGIF is structured. I'm guessing FoodTV is pimping Guy out rather than he dealing with TGIF mano a mano.

                                              1. re: Minger

                                                Is Mark Summers (sp?) the producer of this show? I though I read someplace that he was doing more producing than hosting of shows. Guy seems to be the one adding 'color', humor, etc to the hosting.

                                                paulj

                                                1. re: paulj

                                                  As far as I'm concerned Marc Summers is, always has been, and always will be, the host of Double Dare. :-)

                                                2. re: Minger

                                                  I've wondered about that too. I would think TGIF would have at least taken steps to ensure it's brand is protected should it suddenly come to light that Guy lied on his resume, for instance. In the end TGIF has a lot more to lose. I still think this is brilliant. I'd like to see more restaurant chains approach FN stars. Paula Deen could do wonders for Cracker Barrel's dessert menu. How about Giada and Olive Garden?

                                                    1. re: TonyO

                                                      Please. But since you thought so, it's only a matter of time before someone steals my idea.

                                                      1. re: southernitalian

                                                        No reflection on you, but some of the above comments may lead one to believe that such an approach wuld be "brilliant" !

                                                        1. re: southernitalian

                                                          And Emeril will start selling diction lessons!!!!!!!!

                                                    2. re: Minger

                                                      Awww, I actually -like- Jim O'Connor! I found him amusing in the "Secret Life Of" series. Yes, he could get a bit hokey, but at least he has a personality, unlike Marc Sommers. He had alot more going for him when he was host of Double Dare, the show for kids back in the 80's. Nowadays, he's a bit too dry for me.

                                                      1. re: Honeychan

                                                        Well, Marc Sommers can't show emotions anymore, his face is stretched too tight.

                                                        1. re: Honeychan

                                                          Never saw Double Dare, but something Jim O'Connor just didn't seem suited for the restaurant shows, don't remember their names. He was either too tall or good looking and the cornball knob needed to be dialed down a notch or two. Guy suffered the same in the earlier shows until they made an adjustment. Now he blends much better and his "tasting face" seems more sincere, ala Andrew Zimmern.

                                                          Jim is clearly an earnest guy but something about his "tasting face" or "tasting reaction," eg WOW, seemed contrived or mechanical.

                                                          1. re: Minger

                                                            You know what, when you put it that way..Poor Jim -does- look like he's trying too hard to give the MMMM face.*LOL* Shame on me for glossing over that!
                                                            Andrew Zimmern's mmmm-face has gotten alot more real. He's able to honestly say he's not a fan of something, but not be rude about it in the least.

                                                    3. I just thought it odd that his Diners and Drive In show is all about small unique places. He talks about how important it is that these establishments survive. He then acts as the pitchman for a huge chain. Exactly the kind that is driving(sorry about the pun) the smaller places out of business.

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                                                      1. re: Withnail42

                                                        It's a mistake to think the small unique places profiled on Diners and Drive-Ins are at all like the average small unique place near you and me. For instance, for hoi polloi burgers in metro DC area, you won't find anything like SF's Joes Cable Car for ground steak burgers or MN's Twin Cities for stuffed burgers. I could say the same for any other type of cuisine or food profiled on that show. These restaurants are outliers on a national scale. The one decent but not truly great burger business in the DC area, Five Guys, is going horizontal, franchising itself into a chain, just like TGIF (which is likely all corp owned and not actually franchised).

                                                        The average good, or "unique," local good restaurant -- though perhaps not a national outlier -- probably already gets plenty word of mouth and does great business. The average one not doing well against the tyranny of the likes of TGIF is likely just average.

                                                        1. re: Minger

                                                          but i have to say (and i'm embarrassed to confess this) that i like the diner and dives show idea. i love seeing these funky little restaurants -- they make me want to visit. but he is just SO annoying. i still watch from time to time when nothing else is on though just because the places look so fun - wish there were some of them near me.

                                                          1. re: AMFM

                                                            I like the Diners, etc. show, I don't find Guy annoying -- I actually find him refreshing -- and I couldn't care less how he dresses. I'm not a fan of him endorsing TGIF, but I don't hate TGIF like some posters apparently do. I'm easy to please but difficult to impress, and I can always find something passable there. (My kids love it.)

                                                            I just hope he got paid a big pile of money.

                                                            1. re: Richard 16

                                                              I like the Diners show and Guy. No complaints. Like AMFM, I wish I could find comparable diners near me.

                                                              I don't eat at TGIF though I wouldn't hesitate to eat there for social reasons or convenience. Mass market food is mass market food. Endorsements make the world go round.

                                                        2. re: Withnail42

                                                          Bingo.

                                                          I really like watching the Diners and Drive in show, and was appalled for the exact same reason when I saw that commercial. Does he have the right to do it? Of course. Does it send his credibility swirling down the toilet bowl? You betcha.

                                                        3. Turning the topic back to Guy Fieri for a moment, for whatever it's worth (not much)...

                                                          I think I am probably pretty cynical and disappointed in FN at this point, yet for some reason Guy doesn't bother me. Maybe it's because he was already this huckster/showman/salesman type of fella before he ever got to the network. They didn't use him, he used them.

                                                          In other words, they didn't drain his vital essences out of him and turn him into part of their stable of robot-stars, trotted out for all the "parties". In a rare reversal for the network, he got through their processing with his original identity intact. He was like, hey, you want to help me get famous and get a TGIF endorsement deal? Cool! He was already cooking-TGIF style food the whole time.

                                                          So eh, I give him a pass. His diners and dives show is pretty cool, he seems like he's having fun, as I recall from his win on "Next Network Star" he's a devoted dad, he's making money, more power to him. I don't have to go into a Friday's if I don't want to. Bourdain's take on him as the network's "Spuds Mackenzie cool dog with the sunglasses" or whatever was about right.

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                                                          1. re: Budget Palate

                                                            I just wish he would stop with the cliches and the Sammy Hagar wannabe attitude.

                                                            1. re: Budget Palate

                                                              I like Guy without apology. He loves food and seems like a genuinely nice guy. I find it ironic that it's okay to "bash" him for his catch phrases, but let Ina Garten tell me to use "good" ketchup, "good" vanilla and be as exciting as watching paint dry and I am supposed to be all a-flutter and impressed. He is the one person doing a show on food around the country who truly seems to enjoy what he is doing and is kind and appreciative of the efforts of these restauranteurs without being condescending or phony in his praise. He's living life and having fun, is by all accounts a good parent and at the end of the day bringing something good and positive to the world. But, yes, let's focus on his hair, because after all, that defines his character much more than how he treats people.

                                                              1. re: Janet from Richmond

                                                                I like his show but I find him annoying when he says "dude" over and over and such things but I could care less about his hair. I just wish he'd be less hyper because that's what I like to watch. I think the concept of the show is really fun. I happen to think Ina isn't boring or uppity at all. That's just me though. Can understand if you don't. I also like mellow Mr. Rogers of all the kids shows - but as I watch it with my daughter I am conscious of how slow it is compared to most things on tv. I just like slow I guess from time to time.
                                                                And haven't you had "good" vanilla and "good" ketchup? I have so it's no revelation to me, but I also know people who'd be shocked by the difference - especially in recipes as simple as most of hers. Made her sauteed carrots at Easter - I mean I know it's barely a recipe, but it honestly wasn't something I would've put together on my own - I am NOT a chef and tend to play with different flavors than those. My 5 year old daughter who loves my crazy asian concoctions but swears she hates cooked carrots loved them. I still swear her recipes always come out great. But to each his/her own.
                                                                That said, I agree it isn't fair to say anyone is a bad "person" because you don't like their hair. Maybe this will improve the food at Fridays. I haven't eaten there in years. Couldn't hurt, right?

                                                                1. re: AMFM

                                                                  Yes, there are differences in quality in ingredients like ketchup and vanilla, but the word "good" doesn't tell you anything about those differences, so it's a pretty meaningless adjective. It would be more helpful to talk about specific qualities to look for -- mention differences in flavor between Madagascar vanilla vs. Tahitian, for example.

                                                                  1. re: jlafler

                                                                    fair enough. things like "ketchup without HFCS" would definitely be better - and is hard to find. in her books she specifies and she tends to have items sitting behind her but maybe it's a food network thing not to say brands and it takes to long to specify? who knows? i do agree with your point though. personally i like the madagascar vanilla - and i also happen to know that's what she recommends in her cookbook (not why i use it by the way). but she should be more specific.
                                                                    that said (and again i don't hate the guy as i do many other food network personalities so i don't want to imply that), i can't say that guy is educating his public much either. i do however want to do a diners and drives road trip. i just wouldn't want him to come along. too much loud laughing for me.

                                                                    1. re: AMFM

                                                                      I like Guy too, and I never thought I would say that. Yeah, the hair and all the bling are over-the-top, but to stand out in a Food Network crowd, you've got to have a schtick. That's his. Its like Batali and the shorts/crocs. Gordon Ramsay and the profanity,. Paw-lah Deeeeeen's cackle and "y'all" at the end of every sentence. And unlike Giada, this guy looks like he actually EATS the food!!

                                                                      1. re: Cheflambo

                                                                        I have to say watching again the other night - I seem to ALWAYS catch his show -- he's less annoying the more you watch. Or he's toning it down or something. I do appreciate his enthusiasm.

                                                                        1. re: AMFM

                                                                          Maybe someone can talk to him about how to eat. It's disgusting watching someone cram their mouth full while talking and wiping smeared mayo off their face. Enthusiastic or disgusting ? You make the call.....................

                                                                          1. re: TonyO

                                                                            I think that is part of his schtick. And that is my main beef with the guy. Too much schtick. And I don't buy that this is his personality. It might be to a lesser extent but I am sure FN has told him to amp it up or risk losing his job.

                                                                            1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                              You have to wonder who that could possibly appeal to ? I mean at least Battali and Ramsay can cook. Fieri looks like he should be running the Tilt - A - Whirl at the county fair. And while I kind of like to concept of visiting small family run restaurants, waht exactly is the appeal of massive plates of marginal food ? I have to say, it doesn't take much imagination/talent to serve up a 6 patty burger dripping with Cheez Whiz. "Wow , look at the size of that" (that 's what she said, a fix for all "The Office" fans) seems to be the latest catchphrase on that show.

                                                                              1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                That's what bugs me about Guy--all schtick and no substance. I remember watching some episodes of his cooking show last year that seemed pretty interesting, but FN has really overdone it, imo, with all the "personalities" and non-cooking infotainment. The other night there was an Unwrapped episode about "your favorite ice cream toppings" or something like that with footage of factories making chocolate syrup, etc. I love learning and I have a high boredom threshhold, but this was too much even for me. And now they've replaced reruns (which I mostly hadn't seen before) of Ina's show with Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives. Sigh. I'm not such a huge Ina fan, but she makes some wonderful dishes and I enjoyed learning about them. Why is FN trying to turn everything into The Ed Sullivan Show? Enough already.

                                                                                1. re: SharaMcG

                                                                                  Well said. Aditionally, has anyone noticed how the people have almost became characterizations of themselves ? I mean look at Rachel Ray, Paula, and even Goofy Fieri. Every thing about them has been taken to the 9th degree. It is actually kind of frightening don't you think ??

                                                                                  1. re: TonyO

                                                                                    Maybe FN should change their name to Caricature Channel.

                                                                                    1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                      I do agree. It's mainly that I HATED him at first but found some of the places intriguing but after enough 1 am watchings he's less annoying. He seems to be having fun and despite being completely cheesy at least seems real about it. I mean I'd guess he's really that much of a dork in real life - he's not just playing it on tv. I at least respect that more than fake veneer which Giada (I know, way more people love her because she has better hair and other attributes) just drips of imho. Just saying.

                                                                                      Oh and if he was on instead of Ina I'd be annoyed too. I just catch him late at night. Never have time to watch till then.

                                                                                      1. re: AMFM

                                                                                        Speaking of Giada, don't you ever get tired of her saying....Here we go. we??? and how she sometimes pronounces her words with an italian accent. so fake to me.When she says here we go I am thinking to myself...where are WE going? It is as bad as RR delish and Yum o

                                                                                        1. re: Smileelisa

                                                                                          it is definitely the fake italian accent that does it to me. every time she says mozzareLLLLLLa i want to throw something at her through the tv. i mean SO pretentious. she is american. and it's not like she has an accent all the time - i am not opposed to actual true accents. i can't imagine i would like her in real life. although sometimes her food looks good. by the way my worst RR is sammies - oh dear gawd that is not a word. stop saying that. :) :)

                                                                                          1. re: AMFM

                                                                                            Rachel Raiii isn't the originator of many of her catchphrases, "sammies" among them(tho' I'd offer that her egregious appropriation of EVOO is most offensive). I actually like "sammies" probably because I(and countless others) employed it as a diminiutive long before RR, did. And, yeah...count me as another who can't stand the Fieri schtick. It's obviously massaged and inflated via Food Network's patronizing protocols. I bet he's a decent guy outside all that bs.

                                                                                            1. re: AMFM

                                                                                              Actually, Giada was born in Italy to Italian parents so Italian was probably her first language.

                                                                                              Personally, I'd rather listen to Giada's exaggerated, but correct, pronounciation of Italian words than the bastardized, Sopranos-style pronounciation (ex. "mootzarell", "proshoot", etc.)

                                                                                              1. re: punkin712

                                                                                                And don't forget GABAGOLE ! It is what it is in NY/NJ. Something is missing on Sunday nights since T and the gang signed off.............

                                                                                                1. re: punkin712

                                                                                                  fair enough. i think it bugs me because it is only a few words. it's not like she speaks english with an accent. i mean roberto benigni saying that wouldn't bother me at all. it seems like it's for impact - like it's her food network persona. i bet if you knew her in college she said it the american way. :)

                                                                                                  1. re: AMFM

                                                                                                    You mean she is putting on an act? Shocking!!!

                                                                                                    1. re: AMFM

                                                                                                      I don't think it's a difference in accent; I think it's a difference in pronunciation. She speaks English without an accent, but when she says Italian words, she pronounces them as they are pronounced in Italian. I don't see a conflict -- that's the way a lot of bilingual people speak.

                                                                                                  2. re: AMFM

                                                                                                    I'm fairly certain Giada is fluent in Italian, and that is the correct pronunciation of the word. HOWEV-AH, most Americans of Italian descent have ancestors from Sicily / Naples / extreme southern Italy (such as mine are) , where regional dialects lean toward the "moo-tsa-rell" pronunciation. I'm willing to bet that Giada learned the more "pure" (for lack of a better term) Roman form of the language....which almost nobody in the US speaks, especially my relatives! ;)

                                                                                                    1. re: AMFM

                                                                                                      It is absolutely not a fake accent. She speaks proper Roman Italian beautifully. Why would she apply a fake American accent to it? Her family would laugh at her. Have you ever heard a European try to speak English with an American accent? They sound like cowboys. That's how she'd sound to her family.

                                                                                                    2. re: Smileelisa

                                                                                                      I don't think it's fake. She's speaking Italian the way I was taught while studying it in high school. Pure Italian sounds funny to Americans because the vowels are very pure and the consonants are very crisp. Americans have lazy consonants and their vowels are full of dipthongs.

                                                                                                      I'm sure Giada is very careful to make sure she speaks Italian properly because she probably spends a chunk of tiem in Italy and has Italian relatives. Few things make Italians laught more than the sound of an American accent. They LOVE making fun of American accents probably because of our lazy consonants and weird vowels.

                                                                                        2. re: Cheflambo

                                                                                          to stand out in a Food Network crowd, you've got to have a schtick. That's his. Its like Batali and the shorts/crocs. Gordon Ramsay and the profanity,. Paw-lah Deeeeeen's cackle and "y'all" at the end of every sentence.
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                                                                                          But Batali always wore shorts and Crocs even before TFN courted him; Ramsay always swore before he was on TV. And my understanding is that when Paula Deen first started on TFN, she wasn't anywhere near being the over-the-top caricature she has become. I've seen a few of her early shows and they were good - more substance and less caricature.

                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                              I agree. To make it on the FN is to have a schtick. Think about when it all started with "BAM" and "smellavision" with Emeril. It worked for years and look where he's at today. Can you say GOLD MINE? Same for Rachael Ray, she has this bubbly personality that really turned people on to her, but overexposure has caused many to "hate" her. But again, look where she's at? Can you blame people who want to be successful, I don't think so. You or I would most likely "go with the flow" if we were in their positions. You can hardly blame them for that.

                                                                                              1. re: careyanned

                                                                                                "You or I would most likely "go with the flow" if we were in their positions. "
                                                                                                ~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                Perhaps you, but not I. And TFN didn't start out with people with gimmicks or schticks. But it's devolved into that.

                                                                                                And no - I don't blame anyone for wanting to be successful - but when it's done by lowering your integrity quotient, it just becomes a farce and just shows what TFN and the majority of the "personalities" are - empty shells who are all about the mighty buck instead of perhaps teaching what they've learned.

                                                                                                Again - it's a dumbing down and that's the sad thing about it. It's all about the entertainment, with a little food thrown in here and there.

                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                  You are assuming that the people on TFN have an integrity quotient. I think most of them are realists and they have put their integrity into a lockbox and thrown away the key in order to make the Faustian bargain in the first place.

                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                    The point many miss is that "TFN" is a television channel. What is the overall purpose of TV? To entertain. Plain and simple. It's entertaining, and that's why ppl watch it. You can turn to PBS or a slew of other channels that focus more on the education aspect. But if you just want to watch a show ABOUT food, you turn on TFN and that's what you get. Some people may think they've sold out, but they're just responding to what fans of the network want. So it's evolved, what's wrong with that??

                                                                                                    1. re: careyanned

                                                                                                      You call it evolution; I and many others who remember what TFN *was* - might call it devolution. They're back at the monkey stage where each show is just apeing the others they've put out there. Same old, same old. Nothing new. Nothing learned. Nothing different.

                                                                                  2. Food Network is a sell out. Disney will end up buying it and installing the Bobby Flay Taco Rollercoaster.

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                                                                                    1. re: Lenox637

                                                                                      Heh heh heh. I think you're going to spark a whole thread on FN host rides.

                                                                                      How about the Sandra Lee Permanently Drunk Experience Ride AND you get to go home with a color coordinated outfit that matches the ride.

                                                                                      1. re: Phaedrus

                                                                                        Don't forget the EVOO Wrestling Pit.

                                                                                      2. re: Lenox637

                                                                                        *ROTF* Bobby Flay Taco Rollercoaster! Too funny. I have a feeling we all could come up with some very fitting (not to mention funny) chef/ride ideas, but it's getting too far from OP's topic.

                                                                                        I watch Guy every once and awhile, and my latest viewing had me thinking.."He's toned it down a bit, he's more watchable now". So who knows, maybe he read this post! Yay for you, Guy- if you did!

                                                                                      3. Mullet-Mobile.... oh my....