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Feb 26, 2008 05:06 AM


On our upcoming trip to SF, we have a free Saturday [non conference day]. We would like to go to Muir Woods first thing in morning [leaving about 7:30 or 8 am. We would do some hiking [about 2hours] and then head over to COPIA.

Is there somewhere along that route where we could get a late morning snack? Nothing fancy - coffee, bagels, pastry type of thing.

We will have about 4 hours at COPIA - is that enough time to make it worthwhile? We have to be back in SF at 5 pm.

Can you recommend any of the exhibits and/or tours that are must see? Is the on site restaurant a good lunch choice? Have you taken any of the classes that are offered?


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  1. Personally, I think 4 hours is more than enough time at COPIA. In fact, you may want to spend some of that time at the Oxbow Public Market, which is immediately next door. Oxbow is also a good option for your late morning snack.

    1. I'd reverse that schedule if possible. If anything, at all is going on at Copia it happens in the morning ... even then ... I can't even imagine spending more than two hours there and an hour would wrap it up easily.

      If you stay with your original plan, then Emporio Rulli in Larkspur would be a good place for pastries and coffee.

      1. I'd skip Copia entirely, that's a long schlep for little reward. Head up the coast to Point Reyes Station, get a snack, visit Cowgirl Creamery, then continue on to Marshall and Bodega Bay.

        Some food-tour opportunities in the area:

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        1. re: Robert Lauriston

          I'm sorry to say that Copia will be a visit with "little reward," as Robert says.
          His suggestion is a good one -- great scenery along the coast, Point Reyes Station (Cowgirl Creamery, as mentioned, and the Pine Cone Diner) and then
          the drive up to Marshall and the Hog Island Oyster Company. Wonderful. If you remember, pick up a couple of lemons and hot sauce, if that's how you like your oysters. I always bring along a bottle of Muscadet or Sancerre to have with the oysters. Avoid Nick's Cove -- pricey and disappointing.

          Unless, unless...your reason for visiting Napa Valley is to wine-taste...then hit some wineries (many suggestions on this board -- do a search). But you won't be able to wine-taste at Copia. Lots of resto recs on this board as well if you search.

          1. re: maria lorraine

            Actually, there is limited wine-tasting at Copia. They have one winery of the moment near the front desk where you sample a red and a white. Also you can buy a card and do some sort of tasting thing ... but I didn't want to shell out $30 to do that.

            Mudster's fondue fork comment is pretty funny, but sadly too true ... unless they have classes you might be interested in that day and you want to spend about $30 bucks or more for them.

            1. re: rworange

              Copia's wine offerings are nothing like REAL wine-tasting.

              1. re: maria lorraine

                I totally agree. Just wanted to note that there is a micro-tasting there. Anything in Copia as far as I could see is done better at the wineries.

        2. You could look at Copia's website and see if it offers interesting programs on the day you're visiting. On a summer visit a couple of years ago, I toured the garden, took a class on beer and another on tomatoes and had a nice lunch. Last month, I was in and out in fifteen minutes. There were more employees than visitors and the wine tasting person was reading a novel. Plus, there was only one class offered for the entire day. The interactive displays upstairs might be fun for you, but someone posted recently that some of them are broken. The garden is always worth a look and the new Oxbow market next door gives you more of a reason to make the drive, however you might want to do something else with your time.

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          1. re: Glencora

            Left Oxbow 1 hour ago with my 4 day old chocolate croissants ($2) and the north parking lot was full with decent overflow across the street, They weren't all in the market although there was a short line at Taylor's. Something must have been going on at Copia.

            1. re: wolfe

              Probably a private event. Since it was a flop as originally conceived they started going for conference business.

              1. re: wolfe

                I read your posts a number of times till it hit me ... day-old ... four of them for $2 ... not croissants that were baked four days ago ... how are the corissants at Model?

                1. re: rworange

                  I rewarm them so they crisp up and the chocolate gets warm and slightly runny and I turn off my cell phone so my cardiologist can't call me and I thoroughly enjoy them. The only croissants I haven't liked were the naturs (sp?) I had in Montmartre. Don't point just say au beurre.

                  1. re: rworange

                    ha! lol! I thought the same thing.

                    1. re: chemchef

                      Sorry cc and rw but sometimes I continue conversations I had weeks ago assuming everyone remembers.

                      Model and Fatted Calf share the west side of the building behind Taylor's. I bought a "grab and go bag" with 3 chocolate croissants and a bear claw-like thing for $2.
                      wolfe Feb 02, 2008 07:39PM
                      re: wolfe
                      Is the "grab and go bag" just a euphemism for day-old goods clearance? Not that I have anything against day-old baked goods, but it would seems a bit déclassé for a place with Oxbow's pretentions.
                      Xiao Yang

                      Yep, as mentioned in the post that was specifically about Model Bakery and what they offered.. They also sell day old sandwiches for half off. Same policy, from my understanding, as the original bakery. That grab and go bag really is the deal. It's not just 50 percent off but as wolfe said about 5 of the baked goods.
                      rworange Feb 03, 2008 09:34AM

              2. Skip Copia and go to the Marshall store for BBQ oysters in Tomales bay and check out pt Reyes Station, go to the cheese store there. Head to Pt Reyes lighthouse. Then head over to Seabastopol for lunch and go to some Russian River wineries.. a much more fufulling day..