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Worst local spinoff ever?

MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 04:24 AM

Another local Hound's bemoaning the weakness of the food at Sunset Cantina, sibling to the much-better Sunset Grille and Tap, got me thinking: what other well-regarded Boston restaurants have spun off inferior secondary concepts? For example, I think Ashmont Grille is a worthy second restaurant from Icarus' chef/owner, but a lot of Dot Hounds clearly dislike it. I genuinely miss Rouge, a plank in Tremont 647's ill-fated brand extension scheme, but not enough other folks liked it well enough to keep it in business.

I concur that the Sunset Cantina's food is vastly inferior to the merely-passable food at the Sunset Grille, and would add a few more ugly sibings to this list:

* All non-original Pizzeria Regina outlets

* Bonfire (compared to the original good-old-days Olives, anyway)


I know I'm forgetting some others.

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  1. onefineleo RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 04:28 AM

    The Sel De La Terre, in the "Natick Collection" is a lackluster drag (I've only been to lunch). None of the special quality of the original location.

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      Bostonbob3 RE: onefineleo Feb 22, 2008 05:15 AM

      Even the bread?

      I live close to the original, so I'm not going to Natick for the knock-off anyway, but I'd think their bread should still be excellent there.

      BTW, one of the best lunches in the city is the Salad Nicoise at the bar. Yum. And I'm not even a salad guy.

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        onefineleo RE: Bostonbob3 Feb 22, 2008 05:19 AM


        Yes, even the bread. I couldn't figure that out.

    2. trufflehound RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 04:42 AM

      Kelley's RB Fried Clams- I think it's the old fryalators.
      Dunkin Dognuts- I seem to remember they were good once upon a time.
      Filene's Basement- Remember the hot dog/ice cream? (keeping on topic)

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        catsmeow RE: trufflehound Feb 22, 2008 04:51 AM

        Ah memories....Filenes basement hotdogs. I remember that smell (and occasional taste) well.

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          pemma RE: catsmeow Feb 22, 2008 09:54 AM

          Yes, I fondly remember the smell. My mother used to to take me there to keep my happy while she dragged me through the Basement. It was called the Frosty Corner.

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          tamerlanenj RE: trufflehound Feb 22, 2008 11:23 AM

          dog nuts?

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            hiddenboston RE: tamerlanenj Feb 22, 2008 05:39 PM

            Heh heh, something tells me that wasn't an accidental misspelling. I do concur!

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              Prav RE: hiddenboston Feb 22, 2008 07:36 PM

              Our friend Foodperv is also fond of that spelling. Gets a chuckle out of me every time. :)

        3. ponyboy RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 05:07 AM

          How about 608, the B Side Lounge spinoff?

          Mission of Burma came out retirement and played there first, that's about all that happened there.

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            BarmyFotheringayPhipps RE: ponyboy Feb 22, 2008 08:45 AM

            No, I saw a great show by Tender Trap and the Orange Peels there. But I remember absolutely nothing else about the place.

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            9lives RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 05:23 AM

            Afew that come to mind..

            Michela Larsen's...Blu

            Frank Depasquale..Mare, Bricco

            Stan Frankenthaler....Salamander/Red Sky? in the first Finale space

            Tony Ambrose..Ambrosia to Blackfin

            Mantra has never lived up to it's initial "fine dining"..more a nightspot.

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              Bostonbob3 RE: 9lives Feb 22, 2008 05:35 AM

              I liked Salamander when it was in Cambridge.

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                9lives RE: Bostonbob3 Feb 22, 2008 05:44 AM

                I did too..never seemed to catch on in Back Bay.

                The original Jae's in the SE was great..the branches never seemed to live up to the original..especially the 4 story place bordering on Bay Village

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                  RandyL RE: Bostonbob3 Feb 22, 2008 10:52 AM

                  I used to love Salamander when it was in Cambridge (at the bottom floor of that office building). I think his other place was Red Herring though.

                  Off subject but I would have put Stan Frankenthaler against any chef in New England when he was at his peak at Salamander (even when he was manning the kitchen at Jasper's while Jasper wrote his first cookbook).

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                    bobot RE: RandyL Feb 22, 2008 10:56 AM

                    I work in that office building, and no one misses Salamander more than everyone who worked near it. Now there's some crappy Rebacca's Cafe-run coffee stand and a bunch of empty tables.

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                      RandyL RE: bobot Feb 22, 2008 11:01 AM

                      I can certainly empathise with you. Just the smell of those wonderful breads baking in the oven would have driven me wild there. I hope you were able to partake quite often in the close proximity of having such a great restaurant steps from your office. Of all the long gone restaurants in Boston, I miss Salamander (and the original Jasper's) the most.

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                      9lives RE: RandyL Feb 22, 2008 03:41 PM

                      yes Red Herring was the name. I had a decent meal there; but it just never caught on. I'd rather have it back than Finale..which I'm not a fan of.

                      Pignoli was a failure after Lydia Shire's great success at Biba.. This was in the space that's now Via Matta.

                2. CocoDan RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 05:25 AM

                  Interesting thread. Siro's at Marina Bay comes to mind. Was real good when it first opened. Then they opened 3 other location which didn't cut it. Now the original Siro's is only a shadow of it's original self. Great location and view, with just passable food.

                  1. hiddenboston RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 05:34 AM

                    I thought that the latest Firefly's (in Quincy) was terrible, and I wasn't the only one who thought that when I went.

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                      trufflehound RE: hiddenboston Feb 22, 2008 05:47 AM

                      I've been hearing the same about Marlboro. Tough ribs, tasteless sides.

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                      three of us RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 05:42 AM

                      Demo's Waltham. We used to live around the corner from Demo's Watertown and ate there every week. Checked out the Waltham place and it sucked so bad, I wouldn't let the kids eat their food. The dog, OTOH, thoroughly enjoyed the rawish lamb we brought home for him.

                      1. Bob Dobalina RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 06:24 AM

                        Dare I say it?
                        The Butcher Shop! lol

                        1. finlero RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 06:25 AM

                          Although I can't think of anything that would trump many of the above, I want to take a moment to come to the defense of the non-North End Reginas.

                          No, the pies are nowhere near as good as the ones coming out of that monster original oven, but I'd argue that like it or not, they're still some of the better pizza in Boston. If I had never heard of Pizzeria Regina and tried my first slice of it in Burlington mall, I could easily see myself posting on the Boston board about a "surprising chow find in the food court".

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                            yumyum RE: finlero Feb 22, 2008 12:44 PM

                            Totally agree -- I visit the Station Landing Regina's regularly and think the pie is almost as good as the original -- I said almost. If I can make it to Thatcher Street, the whole experience can't be beat, but for pure pie goodness, the Medford Regina's is great.

                          2. heathermb RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 06:30 AM

                            Davio's is fairly decent (although I have heard recent reports of bad/slow service at the bar), I don't enjoy their sister restaurant Avila.

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                              gutterman RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 06:52 AM

                              How about the everything baked in a clay pot place in the atrium mall that jody adams opened? I forget the name


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                                heathermb RE: gutterman Feb 22, 2008 07:00 AM

                                Red Clay?

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                                  ChefJune RE: heathermb Feb 22, 2008 08:43 AM

                                  long gone.

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                                  Trixie Too RE: gutterman Feb 22, 2008 08:17 AM

                                  I forgot about that place -- obviously for a reason. Red Clay -- truly awful.

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                                    C. Hamster RE: Trixie Too Feb 22, 2008 10:21 AM

                                    That was a bizarre little experiment, indeed

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                                  bakerboyz RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 08:39 AM

                                  Boston Chicken later changed to Boston Market, original in Newton was great, then turned into a franchise with hundreds, if not thousands of locations, great concept and product ruined by the franchisors (not Arthur or Kip) the original founders in Newton.

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                                    Blumie RE: bakerboyz Feb 22, 2008 08:44 PM

                                    The original Boston Chicken, on Austin Street in Newtonville, was incredible (as evidenced by the fact that if you didn't get your name on the chalkboard during the day, you weren't gonna get a chicken at night, as they always were sold out).

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                                    Gabatta RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 09:15 AM

                                    I prefer the original, however the Station Landing Pizzeria Regina in Medford is just fine in a pinch.

                                    I think KO prime does not live up to the standards of Clio, Uni and Toro.

                                    Blackfin never held a candle to Ambrosia.

                                    I definitely agree with the Butcher Shop as well.

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                                      hiddenboston RE: Gabatta Feb 22, 2008 09:48 AM

                                      I believe the Station Landing Regina's uses an old oven, so that might explain why it's good.

                                    2. BobB RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 09:22 AM

                                      It's not the worst, but I'd nominate Legal Sea Foods for special consideration, after they closed the original Inman Square location and went all corporate. The food is mostly still good, but the atmosphere is nothing like the original.

                                      And while we're on the subject of Inman Square, it's not exactly a spinoff but the S&S Deli in Inman Square reinvented itself in the '70s, expanding to five times its original size and brunchifying the menu, and losing its soul in the process.

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                                        okello RE: BobB Feb 22, 2008 11:13 AM

                                        Oh thank goodness, another Hound who isn't a huge fan of Legal's. Honestly, I've never understood the allure of this place--the food is alright, but I've never had anything there that would seem to match the hype the place gets. I should caveat this with the fact that I lived in Hawaii for nearly 4 years, so my standards for seafood are high.

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                                          Ralphie_in_Boston RE: okello Feb 24, 2008 12:20 PM

                                          So that makes you an expert on Mahi-Mahi and Fresh tuna. A coworker who is a native Hawaiian tells me that this is the only seafood native to Hawaii, as there are no reefs making home to shellfish near the islands.

                                          And Legals regularly gets ripped to shreds nearly every time it's mentioned on Chowhound.

                                          To stay on topic, my vote is for Regina's also. Food court at the Pru just isn't the same as the original.

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                                        9lives RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 09:40 AM

                                        Prezza spinoff Copia belongs on the list.

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                                          RandyL RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 10:55 AM

                                          How about Summer Shack? Does that qualify? I love the place, and you can still get Jasper's pan-roasted lobster with chervil and chives, but it is a far cry from the original Restaurant Jasper over near the North End. In my mind, that was THE greatest Boston restaurant ever.

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                                            tamerlanenj RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 11:23 AM

                                            The Lower Depths, the Bukowski's spinoff, is pretty crapariffic.

                                            1. steinpilz RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 04:13 PM

                                              Does All Star Sandwich Bar count as a spin-off? I guess my view of this place is that it actually isn't so bad, despite a rough start.

                                              I actually like Lower Depths too, mainly for beers in the Kenmore Square area - their hotdog deal is also pretty good though.

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                                                kweesee RE: MC Slim JB Feb 22, 2008 06:26 PM

                                                since someone mentioned butcher shop (which i totally dont agree with, i love ALL barbara lynch restaurants).....does oringer restaurants count?

                                                i liked clio...but KO PRIME sucksssssss! the kobe is not kobe, and the steaks are disgusting. worse than cheap steak places.

                                                1. steinpilz RE: MC Slim JB Feb 23, 2008 06:59 AM

                                                  Another one that I think qualifies is Beacon Street Tavern, out of Washington Square Tavern and lacking the charm.

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                                                    emilief RE: MC Slim JB Feb 23, 2008 10:05 AM

                                                    Alta Strada- Schlow's restaurant in Wellesley is a very poor cousin of Via Matta/

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