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lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 02:48 AM

I need to bring a dish to a potluck. The theme is "Secrets" so the dish has to contain something unlikely, or weird or whatever, that no one would think was in it.

I thought about making Coca-cola cake, but there will be several Southerners there, so I am guessing that someone else will make it. I am open to any suggestions, but have limited access to ingredients--I have almost no access to processed foods, so recipes that include a lot of box mixes are not going to work.

Thanks!

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  1. Sam Fujisaka RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 02:58 AM

    Beef stroganoff using sliced chicken hearts. Tastes like really tender beef. Don't over cook.

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      ChiliDude RE: Sam Fujisaka Feb 22, 2008 12:08 PM

      Yo Sam,
      I really like your suggestion about the use of chicken hearts. Problem here is that most markets do not carry them as a meat dept. item. I have a difficult enough time just finding chicken livers for chopped chicken liver spread. When I lived in Berwyn, IL back in the '50s, it was inhabited by a large Czech population and such chicken parts were always available. BTW, have you tried the same recipe using chicken gizzards instead of hearts?

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        Sam Fujisaka RE: ChiliDude Feb 22, 2008 01:14 PM

        Have tried gizzards stronganoff. Its better because of their better/deeper flavor. The cost is the work trimming, ponding (with meat tenderizer mallet), and slicing.

        The stronganoff hearts takes me about 10 minutes to prepare. Last time I served to a guy from Oz and his Colombian girlfriend. Both were convinced that it was pricey steak.

        Are chicken hearts generally not available in the US?

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          chileheadmike RE: Sam Fujisaka Feb 25, 2008 12:31 PM

          They're available at my grocery store in Olathe, KS

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            Morganna RE: Sam Fujisaka Feb 27, 2008 04:55 AM

            At my store I can usually get them but they're mixed in with gizzards and there's maybe 5 hearts in a package of 20 gizzards. I can get chicken liver in tubs, though. Love that!

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          Eat_Nopal RE: Sam Fujisaka Feb 26, 2008 05:45 PM

          I am surprised you didn't suggest Wild Boar Anus a la Namibia

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            Dmnkly RE: Eat_Nopal Feb 26, 2008 06:50 PM

            Yes, yes, heart is weird and strange and scary.

            Thanks for the valuable input.

            (More anticuchos for me)

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              Sam Fujisaka RE: Eat_Nopal Feb 27, 2008 06:34 AM

              Sorry, I use my WBA for sisig--that is, both ends of the boar can be used for the dish.

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              ldkelley RE: Sam Fujisaka Mar 3, 2008 12:29 PM

              Hmmm... my meat store has chicken hearts... any special cleaning or cooking tips? Recipe?

              --Lisa

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                Sam Fujisaka RE: ldkelley Mar 3, 2008 12:37 PM

                Trim the fat at the top and the often protruding aortic arch followed by cutting lengthwise. Quick and easy.

            3. lupaglupa RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 04:43 AM

              There are a lot of cakes and pies with unlikely vegetables in them - chocolate beet cake is a common one. My mother made a great spice cake with parsnips in it - none of us could guess what it was.

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                MMRuth RE: lupaglupa Feb 22, 2008 04:44 AM

                I saw a recipe for a parsnip cake in a Jane Grigson's book and have meant to try it.

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                  lupaglupa RE: MMRuth Feb 22, 2008 05:21 AM

                  We all loved it - it was moist and had a great but undefineable taste. It helps that we all like parsnips anyway.

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                  Father Kitchen RE: lupaglupa Feb 23, 2008 03:32 AM

                  Sauerkraut chocolate cake is another.

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                    MobyRichard RE: lupaglupa Feb 26, 2008 07:02 PM

                    I served a chocolate sauerkraut cake once and it was both delicious and completely undetected as made with pickled cabbage.

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                      wolfe RE: MobyRichard Feb 27, 2008 05:55 PM

                      Provided you remember to chop up the sauerkraut or else it is detectable as "worms". My BAD.

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                    jlp8 RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 04:48 AM

                    The fudge recipe made with velvetta

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                      scubadoo97 RE: jlp8 Feb 22, 2008 10:59 AM

                      I have a cousin that made fudge with tofu. I would have never guessed tofu was in it. I'm sure there is a recipe on the net.

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                        oakjoan RE: scubadoo97 Mar 3, 2008 05:30 PM

                        I've made a chocolate mousse with tofu and it is always wonderful. You use firm tofu, some sugar, very good bittersweet chocolate and grated orange peel. Whip it up in the food processor, put in a mold or individual ramekins and chill. It's truly delicious.

                        There are probably recipes for this online.

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                          Up With Olives RE: oakjoan Mar 10, 2008 12:31 PM

                          The chocolate mousse sounds great for summer and for a no-milk dessert. I looked online and some recipes used firm tofu and some silken tofu. As someone who doesn't often make tofu desserts, I wonder what you think might be an advantage of either?

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                        linguafood RE: jlp8 Feb 22, 2008 11:02 AM

                        That's hilarious. My first thought exactly :-D.

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                        eimac RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 06:54 AM

                        If you can get hold of a box of Ritz crackers find the recipe for mock apple pie. I had it once and ifi hadn't been told there were no apples in it I would never have guessed

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                          Father Kitchen RE: eimac Feb 23, 2008 03:32 AM

                          And apples cost less than a box of Ritz crackers.

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                          punkin712 RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 06:57 AM

                          The Cook's Illustrated pie crust made with vodka might be a good candidate. They also had a recipe for "Rustic Apple Tart" and the crust used Wondra flour. Not as intriguing, though, as some other secret ingredients. Mock Apple Pie made from Ritz crackers could fit the bill too.

                          Just make sure the secret ingredient isn't too wild - somebody might have a dietary restriction or allergy.

                          1. JungMann RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 07:09 AM

                            There's a great Filipino recipe (quiet Sam!) for beef stew that is thickened not with flour, but with chicken liver.

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                              fmed RE: JungMann Feb 26, 2008 12:57 PM

                              Kare Kare? (Thickened with liver and cheese!)

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                                JungMann RE: fmed Feb 27, 2008 05:25 AM

                                Kare-kare is thickened with toasted rice flour. Caldereta is the beef stew thickened with liver -- no cheese though!

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                                  fmed RE: JungMann Feb 27, 2008 06:51 AM

                                  Right! I had my dishes interchanged. I know of one version (it could be a personal recipe) that uses grated sharp cheddar along with canned liver.

                            2. ipsedixit RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 09:49 AM

                              How about Vinegar Pie?

                              http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

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                                chef chicklet RE: ipsedixit Feb 22, 2008 07:32 PM

                                And a chocolate cake.

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                                  chef chicklet RE: chef chicklet Feb 23, 2008 07:30 AM

                                  I was in a hurry, I was thinking of Wacky Cake, that real fudgey cake made with vinegar, with the nice top that doesn't need frosting... loved that!

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                                    ipsedixit RE: chef chicklet Feb 23, 2008 08:53 AM

                                    Oh, ok, that makes sense now. I think I've had Wacky Cake before at the Google cafeteria.

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                                      modthyrth RE: ipsedixit Feb 28, 2008 09:38 PM

                                      Crazy Cake (same thing, but what we call it in my family) is the only chocolate cake I'll make. Nothing's better, nothing's easier. I only recently figured out that if you don't add the cocoa powder, it doesn't have to be chocolate. Doh. Vanilla cake, strawberry cake, pumpkin cake, caramel cake... I've been going nuts.

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                                        adventuresinbaking RE: modthyrth Mar 3, 2008 09:51 AM

                                        This is the recipe I've been using lately and everyone has been loving it.

                                        Its made me a great cup cake base as well.

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                                          porceluna RE: adventuresinbaking Mar 3, 2008 04:20 PM

                                          adventuresinbaking, do you mean you've been using the epicurious recipe for vinegar pie that ipsedixit posted? or is there another link you forgot to include? (i'm just asking because you said it makes good cupcakes, and vinegar pie doesn't sounds like it would do that--but both types are sounding quite tempting....)

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                                            Caitlin McGrath RE: porceluna Mar 3, 2008 06:25 PM

                                            adventuresinbaking was referring to the chocolate wacky cake/crazy cake referenced in chef chicklet and modthyrth's posts. Always handy because it uses pantry staples and nothing refrigerated - no eggs or milk, just dry ingredients, vinegar, veg oil, water. Also, ergo, vegan and suitable for those with dairy and/or egg allergy.

                                            See a recipe: http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/Wacky-Ca...

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                                              porceluna RE: Caitlin McGrath Mar 4, 2008 06:14 AM

                                              Thanks for the recipe post! It looks really yummy--I might just have a new choice for an upcoming potluck!

                              2. BobB RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 09:59 AM

                                Not a secret to many serious cooks but something that might horrify many civilians: adding a few salt-preserved anchovies to tomato sauce really kicks up the flavor without making it taste at all fishy. Chop them up before you put them in and they'll dissolve into the sauce and add a wonderful extra level of umami deliciousness. You could do an innocent-looking spaghetti and meatballs and reveal the secret after it's been eaten.

                                Just remember not to add extra salt until after they've cooked in and you taste it for saltiness.

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                                  Miss Needle RE: BobB Feb 22, 2008 11:45 AM

                                  Yes, I also do it with broccoli rabe and cauliflower. Doesn't taste fishy at all, just more complex.

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                                    Father Kitchen RE: BobB Feb 23, 2008 03:35 AM

                                    Yeahe, there's a recipe for an ancient Roman pork stew in an apple cook book (I think the authors were Browning and Silva) that calls for anchovies and Thai fish sauce in place of the ancient Roman garum (fermented fish guts). The stew is marvelous.

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                                      bengoshi RE: BobB Feb 23, 2008 08:10 AM

                                      Damn, you beat me to this anchovy idea. Here's another: Marscapone with Anchovies makes a great spread for bread or crackers and your guests wont figure out either ingredient since it tastes neither like anchovies or marscapone.

                                      This is popular in Friulli region of italy; Google around for the recipe, but its a simple mix of marscapone, mashed anchovy filets, mustard and spices.

                                    2. AnneInMpls RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 10:29 AM

                                      How about this zippy dip made with ground-up White Castle burgers? It's really good - no one would guess your secret ingredient.

                                      http://www.whitecastle.com/_pages/rec...

                                      But this would only work if you have access to a White Castle restaurant. (If not, lucky you!)

                                      Anne

                                      [EDITED TO ADD]
                                      Oops - just noticed that you said "no access to processed foods." Sloppy me. A cake with vegetables is a great idea - if you can't get parsnips, how about a Chocolate Beet cake?

                                      http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/de...

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                                        JungMann RE: AnneInMpls Feb 22, 2008 10:34 AM

                                        Have you actually tried to make this? If it gets your seal of approval I might have to make it for a party with my college buddies!

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                                          AnneInMpls RE: JungMann Feb 22, 2008 10:42 AM

                                          No, but I had the White Castle Dip at a party. My brother-in-law made it but didn't tell people what was in it. After I ate about half the bowl, I begged him for the recipe. He laughed so hard that he fell on the floor (for some strange reason, I have a reputation for being the food snob in the family).

                                          Dang, now I'm craving this dip. I may have to break down and make my own batch.

                                          Anne

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                                            Neta RE: AnneInMpls Mar 3, 2008 03:21 PM

                                            Would frozen White Castle burgers work? That's all that's available in So. Cal. This sounds just odd enough to want to try it.

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                                              AnneInMpls RE: Neta Mar 3, 2008 08:11 PM

                                              I'm guessing that frozen White Castle burgers would be fine in this recipe. Go for it - and report back on how it turned out!

                                              Anne

                                      2. Jennalynn RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 10:44 AM

                                        There is that classic tomato soup cake.

                                        It's a sweet spice cake with a can of tomato soup in it. No one ever knows. You say no processed foods, but I figure if you can get your hands on a bottle of Coke, you can get a can of Campbells Tomato soup ; )

                                        Emeril even has a recipe:
                                        http://www.emerils.com/recipes/by_nam...

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                                          platypus RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 10:47 AM

                                          Potato chip cookies would work.

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                                            chileheadmike RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 11:38 AM

                                            I slipped up one time and added cinnamon instead of cumin to a batch of chile verde. When I figured it out, I just added the cumin. It was pretty tasty, and yes I was drinking.

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                                              ChiliDude RE: chileheadmike Feb 22, 2008 12:02 PM

                                              LMAO, chileheadmike...just how much cinnamon did you add? When I use cumin, it's a hefty amount. I can't imagine using that much cinnamon instead of cumin.

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                                                chileheadmike RE: ChiliDude Feb 22, 2008 12:26 PM

                                                It was a good teaspoon. I caught it before it got out of control. It actually worked out pretty well.

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                                                  jsaimd RE: chileheadmike Feb 22, 2008 12:29 PM

                                                  Actually some of these spices are not all that uncommon in verde sauces. I make one that has allspice, mexican cinnamon and cloves (I believe)- it is a pipian verde. It is very good...

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                                                Father Kitchen RE: chileheadmike Feb 23, 2008 03:37 AM

                                                Actually, cinnamon is often paired with beef in Greek recipes, which is the origin of the Cincinnati Chili JungMann mentions below. It was invented by Greeks. And chocolate shows up in many great Mexican dishes, especially Mole Poblano. I think cinnamon is also an ingredient in Mock Turtle Soup. No, I was disapointed to learn as a kid, Alice in Wonderland's Mock Turtle didn't make it into the soup pot.

                                              3. JungMann RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 12:12 PM

                                                Another thought I just had is Cincinnati Chili which contains cinnamon, allspice and chocolate. Chili is the perfect potluck food, and those secret ingredients won't threaten anyone.

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                                                  starbucksbrew RE: JungMann Feb 24, 2008 05:03 PM

                                                  I love chili with 1 - 2 ounces of dark chocolate! I always throw that into my chili. I've also done chili with bourbon (instead of chocolate, I haven't done them together, don't know how that would be).

                                                  A roommate of mine used to make "potato candy," which was boiled peeled potatoes (smashed), mixed with a whole box of powdered sugar and a cup of peanut butter. Extremely rich.

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                                                    sugarcube RE: starbucksbrew Feb 24, 2008 06:20 PM

                                                    wow, what does the potato candy taste like?
                                                    do you eat it on sweet bread or cookies?

                                                2. Boccone Dolce RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 01:03 PM

                                                  I made the saltine toffee- people at work were flipping out that the base was crackers. I didn't find it unusual, but everyone else did. It's gooooooooood in a trashy/simple/sweet-n-salty kinda way. Just crackers, stick o butter, cup of brown sugar and semi-sweet choc chips - if u need exacts poke around on google or let me know.

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                                                    Reene902 RE: Boccone Dolce Feb 25, 2008 06:39 AM

                                                    Speaking of toffee, I found a bacon toffee recipe last night if you're gutsy enough to attempt bacon candy! I haven't tried it yet, so I can't vouch for the taste though.

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                                                      Miss Needle RE: Reene902 Feb 25, 2008 10:31 AM

                                                      I've had bacon toffee in a restaurant. It's good, but needs something like vanilla ice cream to cut it. I found bacon toffee on its own a bit unpleasant.

                                                  2. chowser RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 01:03 PM

                                                    Hints from Heloise has a chocolate sauerkraut cake:

                                                    http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Sat...

                                                    You could frost with chocolate sour cream frosting for sour cream in frosting, sometimes unexpected.

                                                    1. eyemyth RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 01:19 PM

                                                      Something with Marmite, perhaps?

                                                      Lots of recipes around - here are a few:

                                                      http://www.accomodata.co.uk/marmite2.htm

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                                                        porceluna RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 01:47 PM

                                                        Cooking Light has a recipe for steak sandwiches. The marinade for the flank steak includes coca cola. Not terribly original, but delish. It's served with an arugula mayo.

                                                        Epi's beet, chickpea, and almond dip. Basically hot-pink hummus.

                                                        On the sweets front:
                                                        --Worldpeace cookies (bittersweet chocolate and sea salt)
                                                        --Dave Lieberman's chocolate-guiness cupcakes
                                                        --Chocolate-mayonnaise cupcakes
                                                        --Chocolate-whiskey bundt cake

                                                        Those combos don't seem too crazy to me, but my friends are always suprised by them. (Maybe I just love anything with chocolate....)

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                                                          porceluna RE: porceluna Feb 22, 2008 01:49 PM

                                                          A while back, Cooking light also had an article about sake. If I recall correctly, there were some desserts that included it. I don't remember the specifics but you could just search for "sake" on their website.

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                                                            janeh RE: porceluna Feb 22, 2008 01:55 PM

                                                            Gotta love that chocolate in mole poblano.

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                                                              coll RE: janeh Feb 27, 2008 04:03 AM

                                                              I put peanut butter in mine too. Not traditional but tastes great!

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                                                            kodothedrum RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 04:23 PM

                                                            Pfeffernuse cookies (German spice cookies) contain as the "secret" ingredient, black pepper. I always double the amount called for and also increase the other spices, too. I like 'em very spicy and flavorful. I make my cookies about 1/3" in diameter (raw) so they come out about the size of your thumbnail. They're wonderful when you can pop them into your mouth by the handful. I generally like mine plain and crisp, but have also made batches that I tossed (warm) in confectioner's sugar. They're not just a Christmas cookie around my house. <smile>

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                                                              Vetter RE: kodothedrum Feb 22, 2008 09:21 PM

                                                              Cumin in well-spiced oatmeal raisin cookies is wonderful, and people don't often put their finger on it. I add a smidge of cayenne as well.

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                                                              robertjsweet RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 09:27 PM

                                                              grape jelly in my tomato gravy.....sweetness and grapes...great substitute for wine...

                                                              1. Dmnkly RE: lulubelle Feb 22, 2008 09:57 PM

                                                                Green apple sorbet made with rendered guanciale (or bacon) fat. I did it for an Iron Chef Bacon competition, and it turned out shockingly well. I minced the guanciale very finely, crisped it up, used the drained and cooled fat along with pureed green apples and simple syrup to make the sorbet, then mixed in some of the crisped bits for texture. It'd be more obvious with bacon, but with guanciale, it was a fairly subtle flavor change but it imparted a wonderful richness and creamy texture that was difficult to put a finger on. Using the crisped bits would, of course, make it much more obvious.

                                                                Alternatively, do a candy cap cheesecake. Candy caps are mushrooms that, when dried, take on an intense maple aroma and flavor. It's a little more earthy and spicy, but remarkably similar. If you season a cheesecake with nothing but ground candy caps, people will swear up and down you made it with maple syrup. When I do this, I use three parts cream cheese to one part chevre for the cake. I think that little goaty tang plays well against the spicy tones of the candy caps.

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                                                                  lulubelle RE: Dmnkly Feb 23, 2008 01:54 AM

                                                                  That cheese cake sounds oh so good! Sadly, when I said I had no access to processed foods, I should have clarified that I have no access to any sort of "gourmet" food either. No specialty stores, no deli, no nothing.
                                                                  'll have to keep it in mind when I get back to the States though.

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                                                                    Dmnkly RE: lulubelle Feb 23, 2008 04:54 AM

                                                                    Well, I don't know what kind of timeframe you're working with, but I mail-order my candy caps from a place called Millard Family Mushrooms (easily searchable). I don't know what the cost or time is involved in shipping something from the US to Bangladesh, but the mushrooms themselves are cheap.

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                                                                      lulubelle RE: Dmnkly Feb 23, 2008 05:52 PM

                                                                      This is a third world country (or "developing nation" as we like to call them now-a-days, getting any kind of mail, particularly packages, is a hit or miss proposition. I'll check them out when I am back in the States though, they sound cool.

                                                                2. lulubelle RE: lulubelle Feb 23, 2008 01:51 AM

                                                                  WOW! Thanks for all the great ideas! I made that Ritz cracker pie in high school once and forgot all about it. I could get my hands on a box of Ritz crackers here, but they would probably cost about 8 bucks. (I live in Bangladesh and imported foods are really expensive.) I think one of the veggie cakes might be my best bet, although I am interested in the vinegar pie and have some locally made pineapple vinegar that might prove interesting.

                                                                  I would kill for White Castle, in any form, even dip, but the closest White Castle is probably an 18 hour plane trip.

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                                                                    Father Kitchen RE: lulubelle Feb 23, 2008 03:40 AM

                                                                    And how about the mustard and coffee in Maida Heater's Lumberjack gingerbread from Maine?

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                                                                    Leslie RE: lulubelle Feb 23, 2008 08:29 AM

                                                                    I make stuffed cabbage using a recipe from Mimi Sheraton's book that has ginger snap cookies in it for sweetness and to thicken.

                                                                    1. sugarcube RE: lulubelle Feb 23, 2008 06:40 PM

                                                                      How about Tofu cheesecake or buttermilk pie?

                                                                      1. Tara9000 RE: lulubelle Feb 25, 2008 06:32 AM

                                                                        What about mock Skor bars made with soda crackers/saltines? I've had them a few times before and they are insanely good! No one would ever guess there are crackers in there.

                                                                        Recipe: http://www.recipezaar.com/129762

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                                                                          brian874 RE: lulubelle Feb 25, 2008 12:20 PM

                                                                          I've never tried it, but there is a recipe for Chocolate Fudge that uses Velveeta as a base.

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                                                                            curiousbaker RE: lulubelle Feb 26, 2008 12:08 PM

                                                                            Well, I've found a lot of people are surprised by black pepper in gingerbread, even though it's completely traditional. My grandmother used to put tea in her chocolate cake, and of course there are Guinness-based chocolate and ginger cakes that are very good.

                                                                            There are recipes available online for candied tomatoes - it's the usual involved candy-making process, but the end result (after using spiced syrup, etc.) is supposed to be both delicious and mystifying. No one can tell the base is tomato.

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                                                                              porceluna RE: curiousbaker Feb 26, 2008 01:09 PM

                                                                              Curiousbaker, do you have a recipe for your grandmother's chocolate cake with tea? It sounds like tea would add a great aromatic note, and "vintage" recipes are often way better than the new-fangled ones!

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                                                                                curiousbaker RE: porceluna Feb 27, 2008 06:06 AM

                                                                                I have the recipe for her chocolate cake somewhere at home - I'll try to find it (I moved two months ago, and though I'm pretty much out of boxes, things are still hard to find). But it's a funny story about the tea. My grandmother always made this very simple chocolate cake that she would serve plain or just sprinkled with powdered sugar. It was very good, and when I got older I used the recipe sometimes. It never came out particularly good, though. I figured my memory had played tricks on me. Then one day I was reading an article to my mother about unusual pairings with chocolate, tea among them (I think the article mentioned an chocolate candy filled with Earl Grey cream.) And my mother said, oh yes, your grandmother used to dump the end of her pot of tea into the chocolate cake batter before she put it in the oven. What?? Of course, it makes sense: hot liquids help cocoa to "bloom", opening up the flavors, and tea complements chocolate. But that's a pretty major change in a recipe, and with no guidance, I'm not sure whether I've got it right. But I've made it now twice adding about a cup of hot tea, and it does come out well. A little tinkering may still be needed.

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                                                                                hangrygirl RE: curiousbaker Feb 27, 2008 06:18 AM

                                                                                In Norwegian, pepperkake (literal translation: pepper cake) is the word for gingerbread, and as far as I know, most recipes for gingerbread here include a pinch to a teaspoon of black pepper.

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                                                                                  curiousbaker RE: hangrygirl Feb 27, 2008 07:26 AM

                                                                                  As well they should - pepper greatly improves the flavor of gingerbread.

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                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: curiousbaker Mar 2, 2008 12:08 PM

                                                                                    i use mustard powder and espresso powder in my molasses-gingerbread muffins [in addition to to the other traditional spices, of course], and they're always a huge hit. no one can ever figure out what's in there :)

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                                                                                      chocolatstiletto RE: goodhealthgourmet Mar 2, 2008 07:05 PM

                                                                                      Oh, my goodness. please post a recipe for this- I've made the recipe for my favorite chocolate molasses spice cookies so much that I'm desperate for anything else to use up the molasses in....

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                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet RE: chocolatstiletto Mar 2, 2008 08:18 PM

                                                                                        my recipe is gluten-free and sweetened with agave nectar, so i doubt you want me to post the one i use. but i think sally schneider had a gingerbread recipe that used similar spices in her book "a new way to cook." give me a little time to look it up in the book & type it up, and i'll post it for you...

                                                                                        update: turns out it's already posted online - saves me some work!

                                                                                        http://splendidtable.publicradio.org/...

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                                                                                          chocolatstiletto RE: goodhealthgourmet Mar 3, 2008 08:19 AM

                                                                                          actually, my mother is allergic to wheat so yes, I would like your version if possible!

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                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: chocolatstiletto Mar 3, 2008 10:39 AM

                                                                                            is she just allergic to wheat, gluten-intolerant, or celiac?

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                                                                                              chocolatstiletto RE: goodhealthgourmet Mar 3, 2008 05:56 PM

                                                                                              Just to wheat, thankfully.

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                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: chocolatstiletto Mar 3, 2008 09:48 PM

                                                                                                she's lucky. and simply substituting for wheat is much easier than making a completely GF recipe. mine contains a complicated GF flour blend plus guar gum - it's not necessary for your mom. go ahead and use the recipe i posted, with the following modification: use 1- 3/8 cups barley flour, and 1/2 cup oat flour.

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                                                                                          Jennalynn RE: chocolatstiletto Mar 2, 2008 08:23 PM

                                                                                          Head over to www.epicurious.com and just type in molasses.

                                                                                          You'll find a ton of ideas.

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                                                                                            adventuresinbaking RE: Jennalynn Mar 3, 2008 09:53 AM

                                                                                            I used Julia Child's spice cookie recipe this year. It was wonderful and I substituted white flour for rye in the recipe. I'm sure it would be super great made with rye.

                                                                                            My sister also one time accidently made peanut butter cookies with rye flour. My other sister's husband thought they were the best cookies ever.

                                                                                2. Candice RE: lulubelle Feb 26, 2008 04:48 PM

                                                                                  I made this creamy broccoli soup from Everyday Food recently. It uses oatmeal to thicken it. I omitted the nutmeg, added a little cayenne and 2 cloves of minced garlic with the onions, plus a splash of white wine. It was pretty good and nobody guessed what the secret ingredient was.

                                                                                  http://www.marthastewart.com/recipe/c...

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                                                                                    Bigtigger RE: Candice Feb 26, 2008 08:15 PM

                                                                                    Leftover tea or coffee (unsweetened) makes the best gravy base when used to deglaze a roasting pan - adds a lot of richness and flavour but no one would ever guess either was used.

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                                                                                      Janet from Richmond RE: Bigtigger Feb 27, 2008 06:28 AM

                                                                                      Classic southern red-eye gravy is made with coffee. Good stuff...with a nice slab or Smithfield or country ham.

                                                                                  2. Morganna RE: lulubelle Feb 27, 2008 04:58 AM

                                                                                    How about chili made with ostrich? :)

                                                                                    1. Katie Nell RE: lulubelle Feb 27, 2008 09:19 AM

                                                                                      I don't necessarily think of it as weird, but everyone always says "eww!" until they taste it... sour cream chocolate cake. It's been my family's go-to chocolate cake since before I was born.

                                                                                      2 sticks butter
                                                                                      1 cup water
                                                                                      4 T. cocoa
                                                                                      2 cups sugar
                                                                                      2 cups flour
                                                                                      1 t. baking soda
                                                                                      ¼ t. salt
                                                                                      1 t. vanilla
                                                                                      ½ cup sour cream
                                                                                      2 eggs

                                                                                      In saucepan, melt butter and add water and cocoa. Sift sugar, flour, baking soda, and salt and add to chocolate mixture. Beat to combine, and add sour cream, vanilla, and eggs. Mix thoroughly. Bake in a 12x9 pan, 2 9” round pans, or cupcake tins for 30 to 35 minutes at 375.

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                                                                                        Sam Fujisaka RE: Katie Nell Feb 27, 2008 01:37 PM

                                                                                        Katie, people you know must have an extremely low "eew!" point. Your recipe immediately sounded delicious; and I'm going to make it tomorrow!

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                                                                                          curiousbaker RE: Sam Fujisaka Feb 28, 2008 06:52 AM

                                                                                          Seriously - what could be wrong with anything made with sour cream? Have these people never heard of sour cream coffee cake?

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                                                                                            Katie Nell RE: curiousbaker Feb 28, 2008 07:32 AM

                                                                                            Yeah, well, don't even get me started on people who use "eww!" at all... let's just say I have to dumb down a lot of my baking for the people I work with! Thank goodness my family is not like that!

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                                                                                              fmed RE: curiousbaker Feb 28, 2008 09:44 AM

                                                                                              I remember when jarred Mayo in a chocolate cake recipe elicited and "eww" from me...wait it still does ;)

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                                                                                                amyzan RE: fmed Feb 28, 2008 12:03 PM

                                                                                                You could make homemade mayo just to make a cake, but I'd rather put it on a sandwich, myself.

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                                                                                                  Dmnkly RE: fmed Feb 28, 2008 12:32 PM

                                                                                                  And yet, I presume you'd never think twice about a cake recipe that included egg yolks, vegetable oil and lemon juice, eh? :-)

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                                                                                                    fmed RE: Dmnkly Feb 28, 2008 08:23 PM

                                                                                                    Yep! I'm hypocritical that way.

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                                                                                                      Dmnkly RE: fmed Feb 28, 2008 09:34 PM

                                                                                                      Whatever you do, do NOT mix the eggs and oil before adding to the batter!

                                                                                                      Add them first. Then mix them. :-)

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                                                                                              Pampatz RE: Katie Nell Feb 27, 2008 01:43 PM

                                                                                              Katie Nell, that's our go-to chocolate cake too. We substitute buttermilk for the sour cream and add 1 tsp. of cinnamon. Everybodies favorite.

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                                                                                                coll RE: Katie Nell Feb 28, 2008 03:34 AM

                                                                                                The most popular muffins and pound cakes sold at the delis here on Long Island are made with yogurt. You're right, at first people would say "eww" but now they won't buy anything else, and they ask for them specifically. Me, I love yogurt, so I was always into the idea and now make most of my baked goods with it if possible.

                                                                                              2. jennywinker RE: lulubelle Feb 28, 2008 07:06 AM

                                                                                                My best friend in high school's mom used to make Mounds Bar Candy that used instant mashed potatos and they tasted JUST like the candy bar. I just Googled "Mounds Bar Instant Potatos" and found several recipes.

                                                                                                1. amyzan RE: lulubelle Feb 28, 2008 08:44 AM

                                                                                                  Chocolate mayonnaise cake? There's a dip in the center of the baked cakes, which you can hide with frosting. I do think the crumb will tell another baker this isn't a butter cake, but the more pronounced chocolate flavor will easily distract them from that difference. Chocolate seems to be a great vehicle for secret ingredients. No surprises that's the case.

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                                                                                                    LadyCook61 RE: lulubelle Mar 3, 2008 07:38 AM

                                                                                                    how about tomato cake? I've made that and it is good.

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                                                                                                      lgss RE: lulubelle Mar 9, 2008 09:41 AM

                                                                                                      Jalapeño chocolate cake...

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