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mrotmd Feb 15, 2008 07:11 AM

Am I the only one confused? I have no interest in having 6 or 7 different wine glasses, as I'd rather have serving for 18 or so. Is there a general rule for white and red wine glasses? Then the big water goblet and the slender champagne flute. Please help?

  1. Chinon00 Feb 18, 2008 04:58 AM

    As I've stated on similar posts in the past, no matter which glass shape you choose, a bigger bowl allows for more nose (which enhances flavor) and a thinner rim allows for almost seamless transition of wine from glass to mouth. These are two features that I'd rather not do without

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    1. re: Chinon00
      Bill Hunt Feb 18, 2008 06:22 PM

      I agree completely. These are the two main areas, that I have problems with in restaurants' wine glasses. On the New Orleans board, the folk there think that I am anal about the glassware. OTOH, I've found that good glassware, regardless of mfgr. makes a world of difference, at least to me.

      Hunt

    2. Bill Hunt Feb 17, 2008 04:47 PM

      Hm-m, guess that I'll probably end up having 7-8 different glasses (have not counted yet), but there are four, that I go to most of the time. Most happen to be in the Riedel Vinum line: Bdx. stem, Burg stem (balloon), Montrachet (big Chard), Waterford Marquis Tasting Chard glasses and Sauvignon Blanc (SB and most other whites, except for the bigger ones). I also use their Champagne flutes, their Sommelier Sauternes, Villory-Bosch Port copitas and their Overture water glasses, which also work as tasting glasses. All of these are x24 with SB x48 the Overture glasses x60. Now, I did have my caterer put in 500 ISO tasting glasses for bigger events, but I do not have to store, or wash these. Then, there are the Margarita, the Riedel Sommelier Single-Malt Scotch and a half-dozen "cordial-type" glasses, but these are all x12. Then we have x4 the Sommelier Bdx, Gran Cru Burg and the Zin/Syrah glasses, but these are just for tiny gatherings.

      Though many on this board, and elsewhere, scoff at this suggestion, I'd urge you to do a Riedel tasting, before you plunk down the $ for your glassware. I've done them at the Wine Spectator events, at Sur La Table and just did one at our IW&FS event. Usually those who scoff, have never done one of these, but only infer from articles in "Consumer Reports," or similar.

      Then, I travel with my Tritium Bdx. & Burg stems.

      If I had to pick just two, I'd opt for the Bdx. and SB stems in the Riedel Vinum line, but then I do love the Montrachets. Matter of fact, I'm doing a nice Beaune Du Château in them right now.

      Hunt

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        duck833 Feb 17, 2008 04:01 PM

        I still am working on my Oregon Pinot Noir phase, so I am using the specific glass for the Oregon Pinot Noir.

        1. m
          mengathon Feb 17, 2008 09:09 AM

          To piggyback on your thread..

          I prefer champagne bulbs to the slender champagne flutes, a la the Krug champagne glasses. Does anyone have a recommendation?

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            zin1953 Feb 17, 2008 12:09 PM

            High end or low?

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              mengathon Feb 17, 2008 01:18 PM

              Both would be great.

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              RicRios Feb 17, 2008 12:09 PM

              YES!!!!!!

              http://www.baccarat.com/en/home-decor...

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                mengathon Feb 17, 2008 01:17 PM

                Wow, these are gorgeous. What's the price tag?

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                  RicRios Feb 17, 2008 02:27 PM

                  IIRC, Baccarat Place de la Madeleine Jan 2008 about 60 Euro /ea.
                  Plus FedEx shipping to US, plus an irrelevant 3% duty.

            3. vickib Feb 16, 2008 07:58 PM

              I followed the links that zin1953 provided, and did a little online window shopping. Then, this afternoon I was at Costco, for steak and paper coffee cups. They had a set of 8 INAO style glasses for around $10. I looked at them, picked them up, and they seemed identical to the ones that my local wine store uses for their tastings. So, I bought a box, and our family drank out of them tonight. They make a big difference in the way the wine tastes and smells. The wine was so much bigger and decipherable than any I've had at home before. For years, we've been drinking out of beautiful, but oddly shaped crystal we each inherited from our grandmothers. These inexpensive glasses with a good shape make a big difference. Don't know if moving up to the Riedel would have much more effect.

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                zin1953 Feb 17, 2008 06:32 AM

                Vicki,

                As I said earlier, I wouldn't recommend Riedel specifically, as I find they break far too easily. But -- yes, they make a difference.

                Specifically the handmade Sommelier series as well as the machine-made Vinum series (which I have) seem to break under the pressure of a hard stare. ;^) OK, that MAY be a slight exaggeration. But Speiglau -- which has now been purchased by Riedel -- makes a number of different wine glasses and are much more durable, in my experience, than Riedel.

                I have used "true" INAO glasses in classes I've both taken and taught, as well as at several different wineries. These are excellent glasses, and durable, too.. But I will confess that I now use the Riedel Overture series of wine glasses when I teach. I use their "magnum" glass for red wines, and their "red" glass for white wines; I find their "white" glass to be to small. (These glasses come in boxes of four; the box itself is sturdy enough, as are the glasses themselves, that I can put them in the trunk of my car and they'll arrive in one piece.)

                Cheers,
                Jason

                1. re: zin1953
                  Vetter Feb 17, 2008 08:15 AM

                  I'm really enjoying my Riedel O syrah tumblers. I have a cramped apartment and I find that stems increase the rate of broken glasses. I know they're not what I'd want to serve everything in, but they're nice for everyday red wine use.

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                    zin1953 Feb 17, 2008 12:09 PM

                    My problem -- if you don't mind me tossing in my own 2¢ -- is that I dislike wine glasses without stems. Not only does the heat of your hand warm the liquid within the glass, but the oil from your hand leaves marks on the glass that affect the wine's appearance.

                    But you're not alone -- several people I know like these glasses.

                    Cheers,
                    Jason

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                    Deborah Feb 18, 2008 04:22 AM

                    Luckily, I deal with a store that you can return your broken Riedel glasses and they replace them at half price!

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                      MMRuth Feb 18, 2008 05:02 AM

                      What a great store - where is it? I started out with the Sommelier series when I got married, but those stems do snap very easily, so I down graded to Vinum!

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                  zin1953 Feb 15, 2008 04:35 PM

                  Not to specifically recomment Riedel -- they break far too easily, IMHO -- but in their Vinum line, I'd recommend the following:

                  for all-round red, something like this -- http://www.riedel.com/website/english/frameset/homeenglish/collections/riedel_collections/vinum/vinum1/popupvinumbordeaux/popupvinumbordeaux.html
                  or
                  http://www.riedel.com/website/english/frameset/homeenglish/collections/riedel_collections/ouverture/ouverture1/popupouverturemagnum/popupouverturemagnum.html

                  for all-around white, something like this --
                  http://www.riedel.com/website/english/frameset/homeenglish/collections/riedel_collections/vinum/vinum2/popupvinumchablis/popupvinumchablis.html
                  or
                  http://www.riedel.com/website/english/frameset/homeenglish/collections/riedel_collections/ouverture/ouverture1/popupouverturered/popupouverturered.html -- which even though they say it's for red, I use for white, finding their white glass a bit too small.

                  Anyway, this will give you a basic idea . . . but don't ask me: the glass I use the most in the Riedel line is this one --
                  http://www.riedel.com/website/english...

                  Cheers,
                  Jason

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                  1. re: zin1953
                    TonyO Feb 15, 2008 04:56 PM

                    I won a pair of Simon Pearce flutes at a Lake Champlain Chocolates store. It will be interesting to have some bubbly in these fine handcrafted glasses (at $63/each retail, I may need to find some 96 Krug to do them justice !).

                    1. re: zin1953
                      monkuboy Feb 15, 2008 06:48 PM

                      The glass in the last link in Jason's post (Vinum Syrah glass) is good for both whites and reds. It looks good, has plenty of room for swirling, and is of a good size. It gives you a lot of flexibility.

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                        RicRios Feb 15, 2008 08:07 PM

                        Master (this post goes in response to Jason -sorry, zin1953- 's), we are on the same page.
                        This is my favorite, taking into account my Baccarat addiction:
                        http://www.baccarat.fr/zh.TW/home-dec...
                        However, for general purpose, oblivious to breakage and other fact-of-life issues, I still have some INAOs stashed up there on the fridge.

                        1. re: RicRios
                          pierrot Feb 16, 2008 09:15 AM

                          I'm really fond of Bottega del Vino- they are expensive, but they are very hard to break. They have been dropped, tipped over and bumped against hard surfaces but have yet to chip or break. I just have the "Chardonnay" glass, but I use it as an "all purpose" glass.

                          Ravenscroft makes some affordable glasses, their white wine glass is essentially just a larger size of the INAO tasting glass and this is what I use for tasting at work.

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                        RicRios Feb 15, 2008 04:31 PM

                        As Maximilien says, the INAO shape is perfect for all uses, champagne wines AND water included:

                        http://www.aoweb.com/glassnc.html

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                          Maximilien Feb 15, 2008 07:48 AM

                          Look for a simple "bordeaux" or tulip shape wine glass (like a bigger INAO style glass).

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