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Wish vs. Bond Street vs. Blue Door vs. Maison d'Azur

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chic11gal Feb 8, 2008 02:33 PM

I've read through many of the South Beach/Miami threads and although I have the options narrowed, I wondered if I can get the final opinion from you all.

I know that all of these are very different cuisines (I like to mix it up) but unfortunately have to cut the trip short one day so I will only be in South Beach for one evening. We're going to catch lunch on Friday at Joe's Stone Crab (very excited!) and need a dinner recommendation. I loved Talula and Table 8 based on Chowhound recommendations during my last trip and am hoping your expertise to help narrow the decision again.

The menu at Wish looks really interesting and I love sushi which is why Bond St. is listed (let me know if it's only OK...then I can easily cross it off). Blue Door's menu looks good, but was wondering if it was worth the price. I love French food and wondered is Maison's menu lives up to the descriptions. Or should I just re-visit Talulah?

Thank you all so much!

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    tpigeon Feb 8, 2008 05:50 PM

    Since the sushi is terrible in chicago, which I am assuming that is where you are from, you will enjoy bond st.

    Of the 4 Maison is my favorite but have not been to Wish in a while. The last time I went a few years ago, I was unimpressed. Before that, the wish with the original chef (they have had at least 3 since then) it was great.

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      chic11gal Feb 9, 2008 10:17 AM

      I'm from Minneapolis and we have a couple of decent local sushi joints in town, but it seems like Nobu would be a better choice than Bond St.

      Thanks so much for all your advice - we're going to try out Wish Friday evening, and have lunch at Talula on Saturday since we really enjoyed our food the last time we were there and am interested to check out the new menu items!

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        Frodnesor Feb 9, 2008 11:48 AM

        Note that lunch menu at Talula may be different from dinner menu.
        Would love to hear a report back on Wish.

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          tpigeon Feb 9, 2008 11:49 AM

          "but it seems like Nobu would be a better choice than Bond St"

          For sushi? I think not. I have been to both many times.

          Cooked dishes? Absolutely.

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            chic11gal Feb 9, 2008 02:57 PM

            I will report back on Wish and I'm definitely looking forward my visit to Miami next week!

            Thanks again!

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              gingersnap Feb 9, 2008 06:32 PM

              how can you say that all of chicago has terrible sushi?

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                tpigeon Feb 9, 2008 07:31 PM

                So maybe I was a bit harsh.

                How about, the sushi is bad enough in chicago that you will enjoy the sushi at bond st. Had you been from La, NY, Tokyo, I would strongly advise you not to try sushi in south beach. Is that better?

                1. re: tpigeon
                  Blind Mind Feb 10, 2008 09:15 AM

                  Yes, Id say that was harsh... I dined at an excellent sushi joint in Chicago last March and will probably go there again this March when Im there on business again. Now if I could only remember the name...haha. It was something like Rush or something like that. God, this is gonna bother me for the rest of the day until I figure it out!

                  As for the original post, Id remove Blue Door from the running altogether. The food is merely OK and for that the price is high. Hit up the Delano for a drink though. I havent done Wish or Maison yet, so I wont comment other than to say that both sound good and are on my radar. Bond St. sushi is excellent and I like the "scene" there. Its a lounge atmosphere and really laid back with little groups of people dining all over. I also think that the fact that its basically in the basement of the hotel gives it a unique vibe. The rooftop bar is pretty cool too. That would be my pick for you because the food is great and there are plenty of options nearby for before/after dinner. Enjoy!

              2. re: tpigeon
                karmalaw Feb 11, 2008 07:23 AM

                Bond Street has excellent sushi - what you will NOT find there is the standard menu of rolls and nigiri that you find at most sushi bars. Most of the rolls on their menu have a house-created sauce for the roll.. and keep your eye on the specials -- they're usually excellent fresh choices (like the giant red clam appetizer).

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                  tpigeon Feb 11, 2008 08:16 AM

                  I like bond st. because I like ok sushi, but Matsuri's sushi is better for less money. I don't believe excellent sushi exists in Miami. I would love to be proven wrong.

          2. Frodnesor Feb 8, 2008 05:32 PM

            I've been to Maison d'Azur and Bond Street recently, Wish only some time ago, and Blue Door not at all. Having said that, if I had only one dinner in town and was going to Joe's for lunch? I'd go to Talula.

            I'm a big fan of Talula and the menu has recently gone through a revamp so you'll likely see some stuff you didn't have last visit. They've started doing some in-house charcuterie and were making their own duck prosciutto, rillettes, foie gras torchon, house-made pancetta. Here's a recent report ->
            http://www.chowhound.com/topics/37252...

            I like Maison d'Azur but food-wise it's fairly traditional. I've not worked my way through the whole menu but my general impression is that the simple seafood stuff is perhaps a little better than the other French brasserie dishes. If that's what you order, it may turn out to be, food-wise, a good bit like your lunch at Joe's.

            I like the sushi at Bond Street and there are usually a few interesting special items, but the place may be in a bit of flux right now. The sushi chef has left to start another restaurant - they are bringing in another quality guy (a former chef at Yakko San who was briefly doing sushi at the David Bouley place before it closed), but I don't know exactly what to expect.

            Recent opinions on Wish are mixed as you'll see from several links I put on another recent post.

            I've heard good things recently about Blue Door but can't speak from experience.

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              tpigeon Feb 8, 2008 05:56 PM

              I agree that talula is better than Maison, but I think you are selling maison short. It is very close to sardinia food quality wise. I just ate there last night and at the end of the day it is too close to call.

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                Frodnesor Feb 8, 2008 06:06 PM

                I'm not selling it short, I think it's pretty good. My point wasn't that it's not good, only that if I was doing Joe's for lunch I'd want something a little more different for dinner. Both places are at their best with simple seafood preparations.

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                  tpigeon Feb 8, 2008 06:19 PM

                  If you go steak frites, mac & cheese and creme brulee at maison, you will have a great meal there that has no resemblence to joes.

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                    Icantread Feb 11, 2008 07:13 AM

                    I agree with you there, but why go to Maison D'Azur specifically for Steak frites? It would be a great meal, but not really the point of the restaurant. Talula used to do an excellent steak as well.

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                      tpigeon Feb 11, 2008 08:14 AM

                      Have you ever tried the steak frites there? It is just as good as their fish.

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                        Icantread Feb 11, 2008 11:14 AM

                        I have and I agree. My wife ordered it when we went. Great cut of meat and delicious fries (I think they may have been double-fried) I think it would just hurt to know the quality of the seafood there and have both people eat non-seafood items, because it's a seafood restaurant. I don't know if I would rather try a less seafood oriented place in that regard. Great drinks as well, btw

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                          tpigeon Feb 11, 2008 11:44 AM

                          Yeah love the mojito and the belini.

                          Btw, If you want to do seafood you can throw in the lobster salad or diver scallops if you want. They are both great and also different from what something like Joes would serve.

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              foodie909 Feb 8, 2008 02:48 PM

              Of the three, I enjoy Wish the most - the patio is charming, and I think the service is gracious. They are more than accomodating, and there is great people-watching besides the inventive food. You can dress more casually than Delano. The patio there is very dramatic, and the food is good, but I have to say that I'd rather just catch a drink in the lobby bar or have a sushi snack there, after dining more than once. Bond Street is good, - but it turns into a "scene" pretty early - I go to Nobu for the sushi when in South Beach.

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                tpigeon Feb 8, 2008 05:54 PM

                Are you confusing nobu with bond st? Bond st generally gets nobu leftovers and nobu is much more sceney than bond st and the sushi is not as good. I have been to both places many times btw and have had the entire menus there. I only go to Nobu for cooked dishes with the exception of the sashimi salad.

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                  Icantread Feb 11, 2008 07:09 AM

                  you're saying the sushi at Nobu is not as good, correct? I am wondering because I have not made it to Bond St yet but went to Nobu and had nowhere near the experience that I expected. The sushi was decent but did nothing special for me

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                    tpigeon Feb 11, 2008 09:06 AM

                    Exactly -- the sushi at Nobu is not great but very expensive so it is a pretty disappointing experience. Their cooked dishes are far superior.

                    If you had sushi at Nobu, your description of the event dose not surprise me in the least. You probably thought not bad but not amazing, but way too expensive. Of course what hurts is you were expecting amazing.

                    The lone exception in the non cooked area is the sashimi salad.

                    Try getting black cod miso, rock shrimp tempura, creamy spicy crab and sashimi salad next time. You will have a much better experience.

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