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Feb 8, 2008 03:17 AM

Urgent help needed with 2005 Bordeaux futures!

Today is the last day to order 2005 Bordeaux Futures through Vintages. I don't know much about Bordeaux, so I'm wondering if anybody can provide assistance with selection. I'd like to spend about $150 for 3 bottles.
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  1. I'm confused. If you don't know much about Bordeaux, why would you order futures? And do you really want to tie up $150 for that long only for three bottles?

    To me, Bordeaux futures only make sense if a) one is buying cases of wine, b) one can afford to tie-up sums of money at no interest for several years until the wine actually arrives, and c) one is living in a time of strong economic growth.

    Do you REALLY only want to get three bottles??? One bottle each of three different wines, so you only have one shot at hitting each one right; or three bottles of the same wine, so you can experience how the wine evolves over time?

    I'm tempted to suggest you just pick out the highest "Parker score" within your price range, because I'm seriously at a loss otherwise . . . I'm not trying to be mean or anything; I just simply don't understand.

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    1. re: zin1953

      I thought it would be something fun to try, maybe in an attempt to build a collection. I've never bought wine that expensive before, so I thought I might treat myself, and educate myself at the same time. IF anyone has any more constructive advice, I'd appreciate it.

      1. re: sake

        Among those that are currently available and in your price range, I'd probably choose the Haut-Batailly. Solid Pauillac with some aging potential. The Haut-Bergey also looks interesting, though I've never had it; it'd probably be more approachable young than the Haut-Batailly. On the right bank, Tour Figeac or, if you could stretch your budget, Clos de l'Oratoire.

        1. re: sake

          Much more contructive advice -- albeit too late -- is to buy some Bordeaux that is presently available, and start your education now rather than in 2010.

          Get some friends together to share the costs. Buy a bottle of red Bordeaux from the Pauillac appellation, and another from Margaux; a third from Pessac-Leognan, a fourth from St.-Emilion -- preferably all from the same vintage. See how different they are . . . and how similar. Toss in a low-end bottle of Bordeaux Superieure.

          The way to educate yourself is to taste.

          The way to treat yourself is to buy wines you enjoy! ;^)


          1. re: sake

            I'd join a winetasting club so that I could try various permutations/combinations at a more reasonable cost.
            If you're downtown try Toronto Vintners Club. If uptown (or Northern and Eastern suburbs) then Winetasters Society of Toronto.



        2. I agree with Zin. If you don't know much about Bordeaux, don't yet have favorites, and are only buying three bottles, futures simply don't make sense. Moreover, '05 is exorbitantly priced; my strategy has been for many years to buy solid wines from trusted chateaus in years the American wine press doesn't like but I find traditionally styled. (e.g. I've had great luck with '04, '02, '01).

          Got $150 and want to learn/experience more about classed growth Bordeaux? Go to the wine store and, in '04 for example, you can buy one bottle of Leoville Barton (St. Julien), one bottle of Calon Segur (St. Estephe), and one bottle of Clerc Milon (Pauillac). Everyone's got their worthy favorites but you get the idea.

          BTW, interesting article in Asimov's blog in the NYTimes on Bordeaux.

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          1. re: chefdilettante

            well, I appreciate the points of view. Unfortunately, I didn't get the advice I was hoping for. If anyone is interested, I chose the La Fleur Cardinale St. Emilion. Thanks anyway.

          2. Sake, I'll say this, vicariously, in the name of all Bordeaux producers, importers, wholesalers and retailers: Thank you so much, my boy, we REALLY REALLY love you!

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            1. re: RicRios

              Yes. Well. That's another issue entirely, isn't it? ;^)

              1. re: zin1953

                Not necessarily: the idea is the weak feedback from this thread won't discourage sake from the 2006 Bordeaux futures, God forbid!

            2. Sake,

              A little late, I know.

              When the 2005 went on sale, I bought several bottles. This was the first time I bought futures. No harm in dabbling in a few bottles; as it's a good way to get your feet wet.

              I did buy the Giscours at Zachy's for about $60. The list in your link had this for $88. So either the price went up or, the store in your link is way over-priced.

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              1. re: dhammer53

                "Vintages" is the wine-specialty division of the LCBO. All the prices you saw were in "loonies" (Canadian dollars). That said, the prices have increased, too.


                1. re: zin1953

                  That said, then, dhammer53 got a good deal as the loonie is now even with the US dollar ... oh wait ... 0.99878 ... the loonie is stronger than the dollar as of Feb 17th.

              2. Sake, its not too late. Pre Arrivals are another way of going albeit kind of late as well. I purchased 25 cases of the 2005 Bordeaux not based on the hype but my experience in the past. 2000 and 2003 in particular. Most of my purchases took place in June/July/August 06 and as late as August 07. My deliveries are taking place now and started 60 days ago. I purchased wines that were not Classified Growths as others here have suggested . I am pleased to say that my investment not only doubled in price in certain cases but I have access to wine that is no longer available. Some selections were:
                Petit Bocq
                Tour St. Bonnet
                Croix Mouton
                "z" bordeaux
                Carrone st. Gemme
                Clos Chaumont

                just to name a few.. Take a flyer, buy some wine "en primer" going forward and you may be happy with what you have chose. However in the case of 2005 these wines need to be held in proper storage for at least 5 years. But you can always pop a cork and see how your investment is paying off at any time.. I like Wine Exchange in Orange County, Ca.

                Wine Exchange
                1500 E Village Way # 2368, Orange, CA

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                1. re: Foodandwine

                  Yes, but being a resident of Canada, I fear sake's taxes on the wines may be prohibitive.

                  1. re: zin1953

                    And illegal too!
                    It's 'theoretically' possible to import up to 5 cases - but the fees are probably over 150%.

                    1. re: zin1953

                      I stand corrected, how would I have know that Sake is a resident of Canada. I live in Los Angeles and did not know...

                      1. re: Foodandwine

                        You wouldn't, neccessarily. But sake said in the OP, "Today is the last day to order 2005 Bordeaux Futures through Vintages." Vintages is the "speciality" division, for lack of a better term, of the LCBO (Liquor Control Board of Ontario [Canada]).