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Feeding a Yen: Foreign Beers You Miss and Can't Find Here

Passadumkeg Jan 26, 2008 07:10 AM

I just got done rereading Calvin Trillin's Feeding a Yen about foreign foods one ate overseas and can't find in the US and the 60's beer post and it got me thinkin' about all the great beers I've drunk overseas that I can't find here.(Just keep in mind that I'm writing form Maine which has a great culture of microbreweries, but not much variety of imported brands.)
I studied in the old Soviet Union and was exposed to communism and beer(Not a happy marriage.) Beer names were derived from the town's factory Moskovskaya Zavod Piva was Moscow Factory Beer and it tasted like it. A weak, watery lager. Vodka was the way to go. I do, however, miss the public beer machines with communal mugs that dispensed a cool draft beer cheaply. Simply invert mug when done and rinse with a jet of water. I did taste awfully good with kielbasy and kapusta(saurkraut) though.
I loved Christmas in Norway. Out came the Juleol, an amber ambrosia worthy of the big Julenisse himself. My local brand was Tau(Tau Smak Gir Mer Smak or Tau Flavor Gives More Flavor) an excellent rich and creamy lager. Besides lagers and Christmas beer, Ole Nordman also put out some very decent bokks. All of the Nordic countries had the same method of rating beers by alcohol content. One or 2 stars on the bottle cap meant lower alcohol and could be purchased in grocery stores. For 6-10% alcohol, 3 or 4 stars, one needed to find the Vinmonopolet(Winemonopoly), the government run liquor store. Live in the boonies? No problem, they mailed it to your door. Other favorite brands were: Hansa(Bergen) and Frydenlund(Oslo). I, once upon a time saw another Oslo beer, Ringnes, in the US, but I didn't care for it. I do really miss an icy cold Tau with North Sea herring or fried cod tongues and cheeks.. Now that is a marriage made in heaven.
The Finns take beer to the arena of international politics. When Karjala beer first appeared on the market, during the cold war, the label had 2 mail clad gauntlets, the one on the right (read east) holding a curved sword and the one on the left (read west), held a straight sword. The classic symbol of the historic struggle of the Finns to stay free from the Russkies. The Soviet ambassador went on TV and (rightly) called this an unfriendly act against the neighborly CCCP.(The Finns have fought 43wars against the Russians and have lost every one!) The beer immediately rocketed to the top in Finnish beer sales and stayed there for decades! All one had to do to order a Karjala was to make a fist with the right hand and cock back your right arm. So much for Finlandization. Back to the beer! Sinebrynkoff (Russian influence?), the oldest and largest brewery, located in downtown Helsinki, puts out a fine array of beers. I have seen the Koff Porter in the US. Lapin Kulta is a creamy lager and of course a rich Christmas beer, Jouluolut (olut is beer). Finnish beer has saved me from embarrassment at many a summer's Rapu Fest. Rapu, crayfish, is Finnish summer addiction. Imagine sitting outside, in the summer's warm midnight sun peeling and eating scores of crayfish boiled in dill, and knocking back icy shots of Korskincorva (Over the Waterfalls!) Vodka with beer chasers! I was "forced" to drink more beer and less vodka. Oh, do I miss an icy cold beer with fire roasted makkara (sausage) after a 300 degree F.(no kidden, Kidden) sauna! Those were the days.
Bolivia was a beer lovers pleasant surprise. I was unaware of the huge German influence in Bolivia(I came afta ze var.) The national airline, Lloyd Aero Boliviano(LAB) is named after the German that founded it in the 1920's. Due to the mainly (except for the Altiplano) tropical climate and heavy German influence, the vast majority are lagers. The largest selling beer, Pacena, even has the famous German logo of a chubby crowned monarch legs wide astride a huge keg with 2 giant mugs of frothy beer in his hands. I preferred Taquina(Cochabamba) and the local Cruzanian brew Ducal. It went very well with churrascos (huge meat BBQs). I learned a lot about the third world when I found out that a .75 l. bottle of beer cost less that $.50, but the deposit on the bottle was $.75. It was more difficult to manufacture the bottle than brew the beer!
Finally, our oldest son is married to a Korean and lives in Seoul. When we visit, we love the food, culture and people; it's the beer we can't stand. All 3 majors Cass, Hite and OB make the silver bullet look rich and creamy by comparison. We learned the lethal joy of So Ju and our son has become an accomplished home brewer. Fini.
Remember: "In heaven there is no beer, that's why we drink it here. And when we're gone from here, our friends will be drinking all the beer!" Traditional Polish Polka

  1. Scott V Mar 12, 2008 07:16 AM

    A beer I used to be able to get here in the states but haven't seen in years -

    Usher's 1824 Particular
    http://www.bottledbeer.co.uk/index.ht...

    1. ted Mar 12, 2008 06:35 AM

      Drinking Orval in Brussels was a revelation- a totally different beer than what you find on the shelves here after some aging.

      Not something I'd drink every day, but Sapporo Black was a good brew that isn't around stateside any longer.

      1. Jim Dorsch Mar 12, 2008 04:08 AM

        My attitude toward food/drink I can't get in my area is that it makes it fun to travel. Today it seems that every town has the same stores in the same malls, so it's fun to find local foods and beers when I travel. If I could get it all anywhere, it wouldn't be special.

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          Passadumkeg Mar 12, 2008 04:42 PM

          You're right on. I really miss my time overseas but w/ 4 kids in college, we've found a temp. solution. We haunt the internet travel sites looking for deals to where the kids are. It was fun to visit our daughter in Austin, find Live Oak beers, stay out late and worry her for a change. Can't wait to try the above posted Bavaria Dark, while crashing on another kid in Costa Rica in April. Through another son, we got to enjoy the Northampton and Amherst, Ma breweries. The one in Korea has become a competent brewer, but we have yet to taste his product. Gotta fix that!

          1. re: Passadumkeg
            Jim Dorsch Mar 12, 2008 06:56 PM

            Live Oak = very nice!

        2. travelingman1955 Mar 11, 2008 12:28 PM

          The one beer that I wish I could get here in the states is Baveria Dark which is made exclusivly in Costa Rica. this is my favorite beer of all. Unfortunaly my connection in Costa Rica is no longer traveling back on forth.

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            debbieg2210 Feb 22, 2008 05:20 PM

            While growing up in Saudi, I can remember a road trip to the Kashmir border....This was back in early 70's....Once through the Kuwait/Iraq border we stopped in a store in ,I think the town of Shaibah, the beer came in liter green bottles and I think it was called Chams......we were led to believe the brewery was run by Germans and/or had been developed by them....Never tasted anything so good. Remember stopping in Ahwaz the first night ....was 13 or so at the time so I was more interested in running around the hotel pool , which was ostensibly a concrete frog pond while the adults indulged themselves with every alchoholic beverage that wasn't tied down.....6 plus months of home brewed wine, beer, and white lightning had left them with a serious jones for something a little more mass produced.....Next stop Isfahan and the Shah Abbas hotel......sightseeing, shopping was mixed in with the imbibing.......on to the Caspian and the sturgeon pens where the parents were able to purchase a kilo tin of beluga in the blue cans with the sturgeon on the lid......ice cold russian vodka.....I was allowed a beer to keep me mollified and less manic....onward through Mashed and Qum to Herat where my father had to go through a "fixer" at the dak bungalow for both money exchange and beer.
            We were told to keep to the main road and not to camp in between the major cities.....Kandahar to Ghazni and up into Kabul....my first sight of the city was hanging out the passenger side of the Land Rover tossing my breakfast because of one of the many "bugs" I'd picked up along the way.....we were on a hill overlooking a shallow valley with a huge circle of Afghans attending the afternoon dog fights......anything that walked, flew, or crawled, an Afghan would stage a cage match for entertainment......Beers were purchased at the Park Hotel....mostly the ubiquitous Amstel,Heineken, Becks, and even Budweiser....all in cans.....I guess to survive the overland trek.
            Through the Khyber and we made a left hand detour up the Swat valley to Gilgit and Dur.......it never ceases to amaze where you can find bottles of Johnnie Walker Red or Black......don't remember much beer in this neck of Pakistan...so the parents relented an bought me a pellet rifle to stifle my whining...all kinds of gunshops in wild west Pakistan.....always seemed like my father had to make shady and nefarious deals to get reqired libations throughout Peshawar and Rawalpindi....I know before landing in India back in these days you had to declare yourself and "alchoholic" in order to procure the paperwork enabling you to purchase any kind of drinks.....not quite sure how it worked in Pakistan , but it appeared to be along the lines of 'don't ask, don't tell"...and all's well...
            While travelling through these countries my father would always remark "don't forget this because you'll might never see it again".....as usual he was right....in retrospect I wish I had been able to appreciate the journey more....but I was a typical oil brat boy who had girls and " why did we have to spend our vacation" following my fathers wanderlust.....as they say youth is wasted on the young....., but I sure loved that Iraqi beer.....

            1. poached Feb 22, 2008 07:06 AM

              Piton- from St.Lucia
              wonderful little Caribbean brew found throughout the W.I.- goes down great in the hot sun with almost a buttery touch- On a hot summer day i wish I could find one of those.

              1. Chinon00 Feb 13, 2008 04:53 AM

                I would love to know if and where I could get Timothy Taylor's Landlord Bitter anywhere in the States.

                Thanks

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                  Passadumkeg Feb 13, 2008 05:03 AM

                  As there has not been a lot of replies to this thread, I suggest you list Landlord Bitter, for higher visibility, as its own post on the beer board. I grew up w/ family in G-town and ahad a college girlfriend in Mt. Airy. Fond memories. I just took our youngest to 9th St. for his first Philly Cheesesteak. Eah. Out grown it.

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                  chazzerking Feb 8, 2008 07:53 AM

                  there are a number of beers that you can get here in the US, but that are not the same as what you get in the home country. Guiness is probably the most significant. I've found that the quality of Guiness decreases in direct ratio to the distance form the British Isles. Same can be said for Grolsch. One that I liked real well that i've never seen in this country is Star Lager, a West African lager which is sold at about 8% alc, and is only available in imperial pint bottles. It really works with spicy foods. I've just never found it in the US.

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                  1. re: chazzerking
                    potterstreet Feb 11, 2008 06:02 AM

                    when we lived in munich, we were mad about helles - specifically augustiner. though there's a lot of munich beers around, i have never seen augustiner in the states. sitting in the beer garden for hours on a sunday afternoon with a picnic and mass after mass of augustiner was heavenly.

                    1. re: chazzerking
                      ted Mar 12, 2008 06:33 AM

                      I don't know that I totally buy this, since Guinness brews all over the world to meet demand. I'd agree with not being able to get the foreign extra (essentially imperial) version in the US.

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                      planojim Feb 6, 2008 07:57 AM

                      when I lived in southern Spain, almost every bar served a beer called Cruzcampo. My mouth waters at the thought of drinking one again. I've read you can get it in parts of the US, and honestly, don't know if I'd buy it here. The memory might be better than the facts.

                      oh, and Augustiner Brau over there, not the stuff they import here.

                      1. rob133 Feb 5, 2008 10:43 AM

                        Got to be Cafferery's. And I know it isn't the best ale in the world, but the fact that I can't get it in California makes it even more desirable to get.

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                          edc5u Feb 8, 2008 07:42 AM

                          I second the Caffrey's. It was my favorite to drink when I was in London, and I was devastated when they stopped US production. I thought maybe I was romanticizing the taste, but a recent trip to Toronto (where you can get it) confirmed that it is absolutely delicious.

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                            JessKidden Feb 9, 2008 05:28 AM

                            Caffrey's in another one of the brands that got mixed up in the shuffle when InBev bought Bass, and then had to spin off some of their breweries and brands to satisfy UK regulators. Coors wound up with the brand and InBev the brewery, in this case (the opposite of "Bass" itself).

                            InBev closed the brewery after not being able to sell it IIRC, and Coors continues to brew the "Irish Ale" in the UK for the home market and Canada. Apparently, they made a corporate decision to stop exporting to the US, supposedly so as not to compete with their other Irish-ale-brewed-elsewhere, Killians. (If you check around the net, there are several attempts to convince Coors to resume importation.)

                            What IS strange about "Coors Brewers Ltd" (the official name for the UK subsidiary'), Coors' first major venture outside of the US is that they DON'T export any of their beers to the US. One would think that a major US (well, US-Canadian, with the creation of MolsonCoors) would want to take advantage of it's extensive distribution network in the US, as SABMiller is doing with Pilsner Urquell, etc. Instead, Caffrey's gone, Carling Black Label's still an economy brand from Pabst, etc.

                            Of course, if they did start to export their UK beers, I'd much rather see Worthington White Shield, but it does seem as if Caffrey's (even tho' a relatively new beer, created by Bass in the 1990's) does have a cult following.

                        2. Sam Fujisaka Feb 4, 2008 06:16 PM

                          Hey, I wasn't paying attention to:

                          "Bolivia was a beer lovers pleasant surprise. I was unaware of the huge German influence in Bolivia".

                          I lived in Tarija, Bolivia, 1975-9. The beer was great. In Tarija it was Astra. Great until the managers decided to throw out the German brewers. Tasted like mud in no time. Had to call the brewers back. The 1952 revolution had to get rid of three major families: Patino, Aramayo, and Hochtschild--one a Spanish name, another more Aymara, and the last German. The war of the Chaco was waged with German advisors on both sides! When I lived in Tarija, the best wines were produced by the families Arce (ex in laws) and Kohlberg (German). Tarija had two German populations: Jewish who escaped right before WWII and who where tailors and shopkeepers and a family who went back to join the SS, came back, and sold Japanese consumer goods and raised flowers.

                          There was a street food--kind of a potato, vegetable, and meat hash--called scaice. The German volunteers (who did great work) were very amused because it was pronunced the same as their word for s*^t!

                          The beers and wines were good, in significant part due to German influences.

                          1. jazspin Feb 4, 2008 04:12 PM

                            Belgian beer - all the trappist beers just don't taste the same here, even if I manage to find them. Rochefort was my favorite, but I don't think I tried a single bad beer in Belgium (and believe me, I tried many!).

                            1. Sam Fujisaka Feb 3, 2008 05:22 AM

                              BeerLao, 666 (Vietnam), San Miguel, Singha, Pacena (Bolivia), several Mexican beers, ... and regular US beers (since I don't live in the US).

                              1. Passadumkeg Feb 3, 2008 04:20 AM

                                I just had another beer zen moment. I was reading the Czechvar post on the Mid-Atlantic board and it hit me hard; a beer zen memory. In the early '80's, a Norwegian, a Dane (Also a female Aussie hitch hiker, but that is another story.) and I were sailing back over the North Sea to Stavanger, Norway, completing a whiskey run from the Orkney Islands. I was standing on the bow and saw a small object bobbing in the water, quickly picked up a net and scooped it up. It was a brown beer bottle, with the word 'Budweiser" in raised glass lettering on the side. I was dumbfounded. At that point in time, I had only known "Merican Bud". My shipmates told me about this good Bud brewed In Czechoslavakia. And that, I thought, was it.
                                A few years later, however, I found myself living in Helsinki with an invite to fly down to Prague in a private plane to watch the world hockey championships. After hours of being detained by Czech officials on suspicion of being a spy, checking into a hotel, we finally hit a pub and lo and behold, Budweiser was on tap! What a long weekend that was. Great ice hockey and even better beer. And under the communist regime, everything was very inexpensive.
                                Why is it my mind is filled w/ beer zen moments? Do others experience this?

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                                  MOREKASHA Mar 13, 2008 11:39 AM

                                  Back in '85 I quit my no pay publishing job in NYC and hit the road. I spent 8 weeks bumming around Czechoslovakia and in Budapest. I did not have a bad brew in CZ, not once. I even made it to Plzen and had dinner in their basement beer hall. Every now and then when I get a good bottle of Plzen (rare these days) and pop the cap, the aroma of the worlds greatest beer wafts up and hits me smack in the nose. Man oh man, it brings me back to those days doing a tavern to tavern run around CZ. The first afternoon in Prague I went to a cafeteria and had some dark lager, can't remember which. As Sulu always says "Oh my"

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                                    JessKidden Mar 13, 2008 12:13 PM

                                    "Every now and then when I get a good bottle of Plzen (rare these days)"

                                    Why do you say "rare"? I take it you're referring to Pilsner Urquell and, while I'll agree that the beer's lost "something" (thanks to various "modernizations" from both before and after the take-over), it's certainly a lot easier to find a -relatively- fresh bottle now that's it's a SABMiller product. Closed cases and 12 packs are common, cans are available in many markets and (tho' I'm still too paranoid to buy them) even the 6 packs are better protected than previously. AND all are clearly dated with SABMiller's date code, which gives the beer 9 months of shelf life and I can regularly find it less than 3 months old. (And pass on it when I can't).

                                    When I first started drinking it (circa the late '70's- Communist gov't owned with cork-lined caps) it *could* be an amazing beer but too often was old, stale and often light-stuck.

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                                      MOREKASHA Mar 13, 2008 06:46 PM

                                      Yes, Urquell. I haven't seen the best by date. I've been drinking Budvar instead which has a clear date. Even thouhg SAB has wider distribution, I've had so many skunked bottles and let's not even talk about the draft. I havent seen the cans and am not oppesed to trying them and hopefully enjoying 'em.

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                                        JessKidden Mar 13, 2008 07:13 PM

                                        I only buy it by the case, so have not had a light struck one in 20 years or more. The pull dates are on the back label of the bottle, bottom of the cans, the cardboard "tray" of the twelve packs or cans and the top of the packaging (box or wrap-around on cans). I agree, I'd never buy a single at a bar. I have I had too bad an experience with draft- don't see it often and when I do there's usually better local choices- I've generally had no problems lately but I've run into some stale stuff in the past.

                                        The cans are real nice but not well-distributed and when they are carried it's in small quantities (ie. a place that has a pallet of bottles will only have one or two cases of cans). Some retailers only sell the cans singlely since they replaced the bomber bottles (or so some Miller houses tell them). But, when you find 'em they're a bargain by the case. AND, one good thing- MORE beer (500ml cans).

                                        Miller's got a pdf file on how to read their date codes here
                                        http://www.millerbrewing.com/brandsBr...
                                        but you'll have to go thru their age check to get there.

                                        Now, Budvar, so far, in my area is the opposite. The A-B distributor 'round here still hasn't picked up the brand and the only store I ever see it in still has the 500ml brown bottles from the previous importer, with a "Best Before" date of Feb. '06. I'm sort of itching for some fresh stuff (but, all things considered, I still think I prefer P/U).

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                                  EvanWilliams Feb 2, 2008 05:31 PM

                                  I am definetly not going to say it is the best beer in the world (in fact, far from it), but I have a soft spot for the world of Korean beers. After living in the country for almost 2 yrs, I had some good times with Cass, Hite (Korean lite beer), OB (over rated), and the somewhat hard to find but best of the bunch, Red Rock (served only at the Cass sponsored bars Cass and Rock [if my memory serves me right]).

                                  I miss the bar culture in Korea. Ordering 7-9 beers at a time, crazy amounts of food with each beer (bar food with alcohol had its own name - ahn ju if I remember my Korean right....any Koreans on this board confirm that for me?....I don't want to dig my Hangul Dictionary out of the basement).

                                  Plus, the crazy theme bars. The prison bar where you drank in a tiny dark basement with jail cells that were the biggest fire hazard I have ever seen. Plus the Cubs bar in the college district of Seoul which warmed this Illinois kid's heart. Pirate bars, the DMZ bar, the Ska bar that would play NOFX if you wanted them to, the shortlived punk club, and the "Cure" club based on the band where the owner looked like a Korean Robert Smith...

                                  ANd the best of all...the Boston Club named after the band with a confederate flag with a picture of Hank Williams Jr on it hanging from the ceiling and the owner would get drunk with you and play the Frank Zappa - Sheik Your Booty album over and over again....

                                  Man...good times....

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                                    katkoupai Feb 2, 2008 06:17 PM

                                    I really like Hite, with Korean barbeque. Yum.

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                                      Passadumkeg Feb 3, 2008 03:36 AM

                                      Great! We can't wait to go back to Korea for a longer period, but with kids in college.......You gotta read Feeding a Yen. After reading your post, it made me realize the big diff between being a tourist and living in a foreign culture. As a tourist, I preferred So Jo to the beers, but w/ time(and to spare my liver), the beer, I'm sure, would grow on me and have an association with foods, places and memorable experiences. Did you ever hit the Czech brew pub/beer hall? Best beer in Seoul, but not Korean for double sure. OH DILEMMAS!
                                      At home when I make Bulgogi and Kalbi, we drink So Jo that I haul back form the NY area (can't get it here) to make the meal more of a special Korean event.

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                                      Loren3 Feb 1, 2008 10:13 AM

                                      Many of my fave beer memories are of beers you CAN get here, but somehow it's not the same, because it's the experience that can't be replicated.

                                      Sapporo poured from one of those cool automatic beer-pouring machines in Japan.
                                      Tiger on the rocks in a frosted mug, with a plate of satay, on the beach in Singapore.
                                      Bass best bitter on handpump in an inn in Ludlow, England, after watching Othello staged in the old castle ruins.
                                      Staropramen on tap in jazz club in Prague.
                                      Bottle after bottle of Hacker-Pschorr hefeweizen on a road trip through Bayern fresh from the ruins of yet another old Gothic castle ruin.

                                      1. GastronautMN Jan 26, 2008 04:56 PM

                                        Primus- Perhaps the best beer I've ever had in Brugge Belgium. It may have been that I was particularly parched after a full day of travel but it was a damn fine beer. Never seen it in the states or anywhere else on my travels for that matter.

                                        1. Passadumkeg Jan 26, 2008 04:42 PM

                                          Duh, what is your favroite. foreign beer that you can't get here and the memories that go with it?
                                          Tetley's anyone?

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                                            Loren3 Feb 1, 2008 10:00 AM

                                            Don't know where you live, but I can buy Tetley's widget cans by the case in Minnesota.

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