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Opinions of these wineries from Baja, Mexico’s Guadalupe, Santo Tomás and San Vincente valleys

rworange Jan 21, 2008 03:45 PM

There’s a local wine program I’m considering going to this week that will feature the wineries in the first link.

If you have tried any of them, would you let me know what you think and maybe which wine I should look for from that winery?

Some are big enough to have their own web address. For others, at most all I could find was an address or a brief mention.

Thanks.

  1. Cookiefiend Jan 22, 2008 01:33 PM

    Last week I had the Bodegas de Santo Tomas, Unico, 2003.

    It was a blend of Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot.

    I'm a bit of a novice when it comes to describing what a wine tastes like.... but I did enjoy it, it wasn't too tannic and I could taste cherry and black berry.

    If I could find it here, I'd buy it.

    1. z
      zin1953 Jan 22, 2008 06:18 AM

      I have never found a wine from Mexico that I considered worth purchasing in the U.S., and though I often taste Mexican wines while in Mexico, I generally find better wines at better prices from Chile and Argentina than what I find from their own domestic (Mexican) wineries.

      Having said that, there are clearly a number of wines -- from a number of wineries -- from Mexico I have never tried. If there were a convenient tasting of various Mexican wines held in my area , I would probably attend. But were I thinking of signing up for a trip and tour of Mexican wineries, I'd opt for the tequila tour instead.

      Just my 2¢, and worth far less, I'm sure.

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      1. re: zin1953
        Eat_Nopal Jan 22, 2008 07:22 AM

        The Mexican vineyards need to figure out their play. Given Mexico's access to imported World Class wines (a lot of them from Chile at astonishing value to price ratios)... the main thing Mexico can offer the world is wines that pair well with spicy Mexican cuisine. I know that is some of the thought behind Cetto's Nebbiolo & Petite Syrah's... but I also think the resurgence of Baja-Meditteranean cuisine has taken the wine makers off this path quite a bit.

        With that said I liken Mexican wines to California's "Artisinal" cheeses... there is a lot of overpriced, mediocre stuff out there... and there are willing consumers (read suckers) who have the dough & the drive to support local products. OTOH... I've had excellent wines in Mexico's top restaurants (at the high end you start seeing a positive Cost/Quality ration of some Mexican wines over Napa wines)... and usually they are from small reserve batches that you aren't going to find in Costco or at the Wineries themselves... it seems there is a very tight relationship between the restaurateurs back in Mexico City and the Baja vintners.

      2. 2top Jan 22, 2008 05:24 AM

        I've tasted LA Cetto wines and didn't like them. The most interesting thing I've read about Baja wine is this.

        "Turley Wine Cellars, which makes burly, voluptuous zinfandels from old vineyards all over California, now, trys Mexico, too. Rancho Escondido, or hidden ranch.

        The story of Rancho Escondido - a farmer named Leonardo Reynoso first planted what would eventually become the 200-acre Rancho Escondido vineyard.

        Why there? "Who knows," said Camillo P. Magoni, the chief enologist of L.A. Cetto, a big Mexican winery that purchased the vineyard in 1968. "Because it was cheap? Because he found a remote area for quiet living? Or he had the perception that this hidden valley had special conditions for zinfandel grapes?"

        Whatever the reason, the old farmer made a fine choice. "The fact is, Escondido Ranch has a particular soil that I haven't found elsewhere in my 40-plus years in Baja," Magoni said. "I classified it as eolic, moved by winds through the millenniums, because of its fine texture. Of course, the base is mostly decomposed granite from the surrounding hills, but it is so deep that we found roots at 30 feet. That is the secret."

        1. maria lorraine Jan 21, 2008 06:36 PM

          I believe you may be referring to Copia's Wines of Mexico tasting this weekend. I attended last year. There were no standouts, and it was difficult to find a wine that was as well-made as a $10 Rhone wine, for example. So, IMO, the region's wines are not worth an in-depth survey, like the wines of Oregon might be, or Paso or Napa or Anderson Valley or the Southern Rhone or Margaret River. Of course, if you're really interested in going, do. But I'd suggest your money might best be spent at a Copia or other Bay Area program that features one of the above areas.

          Here are some CH threads on some of the wineries that will be pouring.
          Mexico Wine
          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/457776
          Mexican Wine
          http://www.chowhound.com/topics/440376

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            Bruce in SLO Jan 21, 2008 05:36 PM

            We visit a number of wineries in the Valley last year. We stayed at Adobe Guadalupe
            and enjoyed their wines, the Monte Xanic had some very top quality wines.
            We found the Valley web site to be helpful.

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              pasoguy Jan 21, 2008 04:20 PM

              I know that Monte Xanic used to be part of the Chalone Wine Group back when it was around. As a share holder, I recall that we took a flier on the Sauvignon Blanc & Semillon blend. Got a case for really cheap and was tired of it before we finished the case. But that was at least 8 or 10 years ago. It might be much improved. I always thought that if Chalone was involved in any way it must have been a promising operation.

              1. rworange Jan 21, 2008 03:51 PM

                Aborigen / Arcata
                http://www.geocities.com/cml71/Aborigen.html

                Adobe Guadalupe
                http://www.adobeguadalupe.com/

                Baron Balch’e
                http://www.baronbalche.com/
                http://bajawine.info/wineries/baron-balche.htm

                Bodegas Bibayoff
                http://www.bajatimes.com/past/winecountry/wc_bibayoff.html
                http://www.wineriesinbaja.com/bibayoff.htm

                Bodegas San Rafael
                http://www.allbusiness.com/food-beverage/beverage-industry-beverage-manufacturing/5104530-1.html

                Bodegas Santo Tomas
                http://www.santo-tomas.com/

                Casa de Piedra
                http://www.vinoscasadepiedra.com/

                Casa Domecq
                http://www.vinosdomecq.com/

                Cavas Valmar
                http://www.cavasvalmar.com/

                Chateau Camou
                http://www.chateau-camou.com.mx/

                Icaro
                http://www.cellartracker.com/wine.asp?iWine=313407

                Jala
                http://www.verema.com/comunidad/vinoscatados/vino.asp?vino=18517

                L.A. Cetto
                http://www.lacetto.com/

                Lafarga
                www.lafargavin.com

                La Llave
                http://www.gsalinasvinos.com/vinospop/v-vinicolatorresalegre-llavetinta.html
                http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2005/12/08/a10n1gas.php

                Liceaga
                www.vinosliceaga.com
                http://www.bajatimes.com/past/winecountry/wc_liceaga.html

                Mogor Badan
                http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/travel/tmagazine/03talk.casestudy.t.html
                http://www.geocities.com/cml71/Mogor.html
                http://www.wineriesinbaja.com/mogor-badan.htm

                Monte Xanic
                http://www.montexanic.com.mx/

                Roganto
                http://roganto.com/

                Vides y Vinos Californianos
                http://www.videsyvinoscalifornianos.com/
                http://bajawine.info/wineries/vides-y-vinos-californianos.htm

                Viñas Pijoan
                http://www.rosarito4rent.com/Wineries.html
                http://www.aircanada.com/en/onair/april2007/foodanddrink.html
                http://www.foodandwine.com/articles/baja-a-wine-tour

                Vinisterra
                http://www.vinisterra.com/

                Cava de Don Juan
                http://www.discoverbajacalifornia.com/wine_country/wineries.htm

                Vinicola Tres Valles
                http://www.rosarito4rent.com/Wineries.html

                Discover Baja: Valle de Guadalupe Wine Region
                http://www.asianjournalusa.com/defaul...

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