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Dark, atmospheric, vintage hidden gems

popeyejackson Jan 18, 2008 01:26 PM

We troll the back streets of LA's suburbs looking for that hidden gem (at least in the way we define it)... Dimly lit, atmospheric bar/restaurants that are off the grid and undiscovered by most. We'll go anywhere from the ocean to Rancho Cucamonga; Chatsworth to Yorba Linda. It doesn't matter. The thrill of the hunt to find a new experience is what fuels us...

Some past finds:

The Dal Rae / Pico Rivera
The Safari Room / Devonshire
La Paloma / La Verne (For the bar)
Parisienne / Duarte
Lowenbrau Keller / Mid City/Downtown
Villa Sombrero / Highland Park (OK, doesn't meet all the criteria, but we like it, nonetheless.)

We don't care if its full of blue hairs, long hairs, just no velvet ropes.
We eat at the finest restaurants, and some of the most questionable.
In other words, we're open...

Does anybody have any suggestions that we may not know of?

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  1. Servorg RE: popeyejackson Jan 18, 2008 01:27 PM


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      Servorg RE: Servorg Jan 18, 2008 01:43 PM

      What about the Buggy Whip in Westchester by LAX? And the North Woods Inn -- is it out someplace on the north east side of the greater LA area. You have undoubtedly gone to Musso & Frank but what about The Sherman Room in the San Fernando Valley?

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        Velvet Elvis RE: Servorg Jan 18, 2008 01:47 PM

        There are two North Woods Inns. One in San Gabriel and the other in Covina.


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          gaylenwaydelich RE: Velvet Elvis Jan 23, 2008 12:08 PM

          Add another location to the list - La Mirada/La Palma off the 5 Fwy.

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          Servorg RE: Servorg Jan 18, 2008 01:48 PM

          Also Dan Tana's in WeHo and Micelli's in Hollywood and even Taylor's on 8th Street in Koreatown.

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            Densible RE: Servorg Jan 21, 2008 10:33 AM

            Adding Taylor's on 8th (?) near downtown. I LOVE the Buggy Whip during stone crab season (now). I don't eat meat so can't vouch for the steaks. The atmosphere is very old school-naugahide (SP), waitstaff (some clearly past their prime but fun) with bowties and a singer/pianist set up in the bar room called Peter that takes requests. Oh and they have oysters!

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              westsidegal RE: Densible Jan 21, 2008 11:22 PM

              imho, at the buggy whip, the rest of the food is meh

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                rameniac RE: Densible Jan 23, 2008 12:07 PM

                ooo stone crab? steamed with butter?

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                writerinla RE: Servorg Jan 24, 2008 12:27 PM

                The Sherman Room has got to be one of the diviest places in the Valley, beyond those that are downright scary. The place is small and dark, the food comes in three colors, brown, dark brown and white. No veggies here other than potatoes. But I love it. For what it is, the food is decent, and you feel like you've stepped back to a time when the Valley was all a bunch of new suburbs. Mostly blue collar people sitting in those red booths, eating steak, and washing it back with Miller High Life. The other places listed here are good, but the Sherman Room is pretty unique.

                Sherman Room
                16916 Sherman Way, Van Nuys, CA 91406

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                  Servorg RE: writerinla Jan 24, 2008 12:45 PM

                  Nice paean to the type of place that is rapidly vanishing from the dining scene in LA. Here is a link to a previous review / thread on Sherman Marching to the Sea (via Van Nuys).


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                    writerinla RE: Servorg Jan 24, 2008 02:57 PM

                    That's a great post, describes the place well.

                    One thing that gets mentioned is the prices - it's rare (no pun intended) to get a good steak that's under $20 in LA, much less 15.

                    I mostly go there for the bar - the great bloody mary, the martini - the drinks are cheap and strong.

                    You're right, it is the kind of place that's vanishing...

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                    popeyejackson RE: writerinla Jan 26, 2008 01:14 PM

                    Well said, and now I am obsessed with going.

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                    popeyejackson RE: Servorg Jan 26, 2008 01:13 PM

                    Been to all but the Sherman room, which is a highly appreciated suggestion... I am definitely going within the week (I also saw the description below...)You are certainly on the right path with North Woods in, Steak and Stein, Thanks.

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                  glutton RE: popeyejackson Jan 18, 2008 01:29 PM

                  Vito's in Santa Monica? It's not as good as The Dal Rae, where I have just returned from, but it's got a lot of tableside preparation, lots of blue hair, dim lights, and all the other things you associate with a forgotten time.

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                    popeyejackson RE: glutton Jan 26, 2008 01:15 PM

                    Excellent. Sound perfect.

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                    socaldiner RE: popeyejackson Jan 18, 2008 01:36 PM

                    You might try La Cave in Newport Beach. http://lacaverestaurant.com/ It's like stepping back to 1955. Traditional continental cuisine, almost pitch dark atmosphere, and live jazz/standards in the evnings. Love the place.

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                      aurora50 RE: socaldiner Jan 18, 2008 02:49 PM

                      Another old-school Newport Beach restaurant is The Arches. Dimly lit, been there for ages, great old-shool dishes like Lobster Thermidor.
                      May I also suggest Centro Basco in Chino. It's an old Basque restaurant, doesn't look like much from the outside, you go inside and think you're in the year 1960 (at least). Dark, murals on the wall, a great bar. Great Basque food, you can either dine family-style at long tables (Basque style), or in the Dining Room.

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                        onedrummer RE: aurora50 Jan 21, 2008 09:50 AM

                        Last time 2 or 3 times I've driven by The Arches, it was surrounded by storm fences, plastic sheeting and sandbags...in other words, CLOSED! I was shocked...I've been going there for about 30 years and it's been threre for about 80. Please somebody post that it's reopened!!!

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                          New Trial RE: onedrummer Jan 21, 2008 01:42 PM

                          Your lucky day: The owner opened a new place, also called "The Arches," in the old Aubergine space in Cannery Village.

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                            justagthing RE: onedrummer Jan 21, 2008 01:45 PM

                            they have opened at another site and from what i have read are remodeling the old site. they are included in this week's newport restaurant week too!

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                              aurora50 RE: justagthing Jan 22, 2008 10:37 AM

                              OMG I just read your posts!!! The old Arches -
                              - What happened???? Did it get flooded, damaged, what???
                              Anyone know???

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                                New Trial RE: aurora50 Jan 22, 2008 11:00 AM

                                Here is the OC Register article from the time:

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                                  aurora50 RE: New Trial Jan 22, 2008 11:48 AM

                                  Thanks, New Trial. That really blows my mind, the Arches was at that location forever. So the owner just decided to reopen in another, smaller place - ?
                                  And if I'm reading correctly, the Aubergine people are now planning to open in the old Arches place??????

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                                    New Trial RE: aurora50 Jan 22, 2008 01:28 PM

                                    I am dubious whether the Goodalls ever followed through; however, the owner of The Arches has opened a second location, I think where Le Quai used to be, called Arches on the Water: http://www.thearchesrestaurant.com

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                                      onedrummer RE: New Trial Jun 4, 2008 12:47 AM

                                      The Goodell's DID follow though and their place is called A Restaurant (in the old Arches space) I hear it's excellent.

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                            popeyejackson RE: aurora50 Jan 26, 2008 01:17 PM

                            Centro Basque? Right ON, we'll check it out. That is EXACTLY what I wanted to find out through this posting

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                              aurora50 RE: popeyejackson Jan 30, 2008 10:52 AM

                              Great! Let me know when you've gone, I'd like to know how you liked it!!

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                            gaylenwaydelich RE: socaldiner Jan 23, 2008 12:13 PM

                            The Alley on PCH & Balboa is another great red leather booth place. The barkeeps rock. Fun local place without all the plastic surgery victims you usually find in the OC.

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                              popeyejackson RE: socaldiner Jan 26, 2008 01:15 PM

                              Been, and love it. Thanks

                            2. martyR RE: popeyejackson Jan 18, 2008 02:20 PM

                              Colombo's on Colorado in Eagle Rock

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                                PurpleTeeth RE: martyR Jan 18, 2008 02:30 PM

                                Have to agree here. Great Live Jazz and Salsa. Old school Martini's and my Fav. Burger in town. Other good things, the calamari and the rolled lasanga

                              2. CynD RE: popeyejackson Jan 18, 2008 02:29 PM

                                Kelly's on 2nd Street in Naples (Long Beach). Red naughahyde booths and the whole 60's feel. A step back in time.

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                                  Lmo1823 RE: popeyejackson Jan 20, 2008 06:02 PM

                                  I had a very bizarre dinner at Dear John's in Culver City near Sony a few years ago. There was an older couple who played keyboards and sang... but oddly, the food (American steakhouse-y) was kinda good. It had the booths, the old people, etc. It sounds like something you might be interested in.

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                                    westsidegal RE: Lmo1823 Jan 21, 2008 11:24 PM

                                    can't vouch for the food, but the string of off-key singers that i've heard there give it an 'odd' vibe-- 'odd' in a good, kitschy way.

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                                      popeyejackson RE: Lmo1823 Jan 26, 2008 01:19 PM

                                      Re; Lmo / Dear Johns... You are right, we love that place. Bizzare in all the right ways.

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                                      glutton RE: popeyejackson Jan 20, 2008 06:39 PM

                                      Chez Jay in Santa Monica might be another option. It's a dimly lit (is it even lit?) dive bar, but the food is surprisingly good. People don't believe me, but the kitchen turns out decent food. Their sand dabs are especially good.

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                                        Lmo1823 RE: glutton Jan 20, 2008 07:23 PM

                                        Great idea. I took my dad here (we both love seafood, he also loves beer) and we had a great time. I had a really delicious swordfish that I still remember. And this place is definitely interesting and still, for some reason, off-the-beaten path.

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                                          maudies5 RE: glutton Jan 21, 2008 10:30 AM

                                          Chez Jay is a great option. I love the La Jolla Potatoes and the sand dabs

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                                          chuck RE: popeyejackson Jan 20, 2008 07:56 PM

                                          I haven't been there in years but The Dresden in the Los Feliz area would fit your bill.

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                                            RoachCoach RE: chuck Jan 21, 2008 06:02 PM

                                            I second this emotion.

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                                              Griller141 RE: RoachCoach Jan 21, 2008 08:27 PM

                                              And I'll 3rd it. We were there recently and while it's nothing special, it certainly fits your requirements to a T. It may be the ultimate dark, vintage place in the LA area. Food isn't as good as Dal Rae, but then again Dal Rae is hardly dark.

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                                            Minimang RE: popeyejackson Jan 21, 2008 02:03 PM

                                            In Pasadena, I would go to Monty's on Fair Oaks. Red Naugahyde booths, bar fly at the counter, I am fond of the peppercorn steak. Pie and Burger on California, in addition to their obvious burger and pies, I like their cobb salad.

                                            In South Pasadena, Gus's BBQ.

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                                              hpcat RE: Minimang Jan 21, 2008 03:37 PM

                                              Unfortunately, Monty's closed a few months ago.

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                                                MaryT RE: hpcat Jan 21, 2008 04:12 PM

                                                Gus's closed too.

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                                                  justanotherpenguin RE: MaryT Jan 21, 2008 08:23 PM

                                                  gus's is remodelling, and should open under new ownership in the next 30-60 days.

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                                                  Minimang RE: hpcat Jan 26, 2008 04:51 PM

                                                  OMG!! This was a part of my growing up in Pasadena. My dad's fave place. I think the first time I went I sat in a high chair. When dad visits we would still go there occassionally.

                                              2. goodhealthgourmet RE: popeyejackson Jan 21, 2008 08:37 PM

                                                la boheme in weho?

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                                                  popeyejackson RE: goodhealthgourmet Jan 26, 2008 01:21 PM

                                                  I've always wondered about La Boheme...What's it like?

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                                                  mlgb RE: popeyejackson Jan 21, 2008 09:05 PM

                                                  I assume Tam O'Shanter is too obvious.

                                                  And isn't Lowenbrau Keller also closed?

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                                                    rednyellow RE: mlgb Jan 21, 2008 09:57 PM

                                                    Lowenbrau Keller is closed and I miss it.

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                                                      mollyomormon RE: rednyellow Jan 22, 2008 10:45 AM

                                                      It just reopened as Medusa Lounge:

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                                                        mlgb RE: mollyomormon Jan 22, 2008 10:52 AM

                                                        That's wonderful news!

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                                                          popeyejackson RE: mollyomormon Jan 26, 2008 01:23 PM

                                                          Wow. The original owners were amazing, it was always empty, and something about it being run down appealed to me... But as long as the new owners keep the vibe, its better thatn losing it. Kind of like "The Prince"...

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                                                      danikm RE: popeyejackson Jan 21, 2008 09:11 PM

                                                      You probably know of it already, but I have to put a good word in for Gualeguetza.... no atmosphere (although slightly more at some locations than others) but a festival of mole so good it could make you cry. Not to mention the goat burrito, the carnitas, the tamales.....

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                                                        SauceSupreme RE: danikm Jan 21, 2008 11:14 PM

                                                        Just make sure you go to the Olympic location, not the 8th street one. I haven't been to the one on the Westside.

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                                                        eatdrinkwoman RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 11:54 AM

                                                        the bounty on wilshire - a classic

                                                        1. stevenclaire RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 11:57 AM

                                                          Columbo's in Eagle Rock for sure, totally old school and killer drinks!! The first time my husband and I went there, we had to walk home, inexpensive, booths, old guys at the bar, you can't beat it!!

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                                                            neobite RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 12:08 PM

                                                            HMS Bounty and The Prince, both in Koreatown.
                                                            More bars than eateries, but Casey's pub and (gasp) Hank's Bar at the Hotel Stillwell, both Downtown.

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                                                              slacker RE: neobite Jan 23, 2008 04:46 PM

                                                              I love The Prince. Great Korean fried chicken in a large space with red vinyl booths and kitchy Brit decor.

                                                            2. truefoodie RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 01:09 PM

                                                              On the subject of Hidden gems - here's a find we made years ago! On Hwy 395 on the way to Mammoth there is a little treasure of a french bistro called the Still Life Cafe. Not really dark but definitely fun find very off the beaten path and the food is exceptionally good. Used to be in Olancha but it moved to like the next town over...Independence, I think. Anyway - add that to your list and next time you are coming back from a ski weekend -plan to have dinner! ;)

                                                              1. DanaB RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 02:20 PM

                                                                In that same vein, you should check out Taix in Echo Park, The Galley in Santa Monica, and Damon's in Glendale.

                                                                I'm guessing that Dan Tana and Musso & Frank's don't fit the bill of "undiscovered by most," but they should be included in any list of atmospheric vintage gems.




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                                                                  Erik M RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 04:29 PM

                                                                  Hardly "off the grid," but here are a few of my favourites all the same:

                                                                  1. Damiano Mr. Pizza on Fairfax
                                                                  2. Ye Rustic Inn on Hillhurst
                                                                  3. King Eddy Saloon on E. 5th.

                                                                  Three points on a spectrum, somewhere between "High Rec Room" and "Hef's Grotto."

                                                                  Or, between "Dump" and "Sh*thole," as the case may be. <smile>


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                                                                    loganfilm RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 05:23 PM

                                                                    How can you forget Guido's in West LA??

                                                                    Near perfection.

                                                                    1. mollyomormon RE: popeyejackson Jan 22, 2008 05:30 PM

                                                                      You would have to go during non-peak hours, but I finally ate in the back room that must have been the original Arsenal before it expanded and it was awesome. As you come in the front door it's off to your right. I've never been there (although keep meaning to try) but I wonder if Billingsly's down the street on Pico would fit the bill.

                                                                      1. vajrasun RE: popeyejackson Jan 23, 2008 01:56 AM

                                                                        Well, if you like garlic... No, if you LOVE garlic, try the Stinking Rose! It's very dark and eclectic. Definitely worth the trip to Beverly Hills, which I usually try to avoid like the plague.


                                                                        The Red Lion Tavern in Glendale is also another fun stop on the dark and dingy road. Although, the beer may be considered a bit more tasty than the dinner entrees.

                                                                        1. gaylenwaydelich RE: popeyejackson Jan 23, 2008 12:11 PM

                                                                          The San Franciscan on Sepulveda in Torrance
                                                                          Antes in San Pedro - excellent "Slav" food
                                                                          The Bull Pen on PCH in Redondo Beach
                                                                          Kelly's 2nd Street in BelmontShores/Naples

                                                                          All old school, Bull Pen and San Franciscan have live entertainment

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                                                                            popeyejackson RE: gaylenwaydelich Jan 26, 2008 01:26 PM

                                                                            wow- 4 places I've never been. (Dont get to South Bay much...) THANKS!

                                                                          2. paso_gurl_100 RE: popeyejackson Jan 24, 2008 10:22 AM

                                                                            Haven't been there in years, but Los Toros in Chatsworth used to be a gem. Good Margaritas, bean dip, Pine Sol frangrance....

                                                                            1. purplescout RE: popeyejackson Jan 24, 2008 02:42 PM

                                                                              You must visit Bahooka in Rosemead http://www.geocities.com/bahookaresta...
                                                                              Dark, retro, downscale Polynesian food. This is what Trader Vic's would have become if it had been allowed to decay instead of being shuttered.

                                                                              It's quite near the Huntington Gardens...visit the Huntington for some proper culture, and then head to Bahooka to relax.

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                                                                                popeyejackson RE: popeyejackson Jan 26, 2008 01:30 PM

                                                                                Thanks to all the replies. I'd say I knew of a good chunk of 'em, but some I'd never heard of at all, so thanks, and keep em comin'.

                                                                                We went to Club Los Globos on Sunset in Silverlake last weekend. Its a club, not a restaurant, but picture Charo's band playing at the Madonna Inn if it were in Tijuana... AMAZING.

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                                                                                  Servorg RE: popeyejackson Jan 27, 2008 02:40 PM

                                                                                  Three other thoughts. Have you ever been to The Pines Cafe out on the Pearblossom Hwy in the high desert? Worth the drive. Have you been to Pann's up near LAX? One of the last and best examples of googie architecture and a great old time rock and roll musical track plus some of the best fried chicken in LA and great grits. Finally Encounter just reopened at LAX. Worth dropping in for drinks some night.


                                                                                2. kelvlam RE: popeyejackson Jan 30, 2008 01:15 PM

                                                                                  Does Neomeze in Pasadena fall into this category? http://www.neomeze.com/

                                                                                  20 E Colorado Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91105

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