Via Nove Closed in Fishkill?
I drove past Via Nove on Rt. 9 in Fishkill and noticed their a for rent sign. This doesn't come as a total shock to me but I am very disappointed. It had a lot of potential. They knew how to make good food however they seemed to lack consistance. Most of all I think their wait staff seemed very iimmature. With the exception of one waiter most of the wait staff seemed more interested in socializing with each other then serving customers. It looks like it caught up with them. It's really a shame because there were many positives about Via Nove. For one I will miss their mozzerella which was made in house, probably the best I've ever had.
I hope someone else is able to have success at this location.
I don't think that is the case. We actually live in a very rich restaurant area. It might not seem like it when you compare it to New York City but in my opinion it's a great food area.
I went to Umami once but never went back. There wasn't a reason for it. The food was good but something about it just didn't draw me back. I couldn't put my finger on it.
Via Nove had it's share of problems which I think contributed to it closing. On our first visit I was shocked to get paper napkins and straws with our water. It just didn't fit with the menu and wine list. I didn't get why they were bringing to down a notch. Would people really complain if they didn't have a plasic straw. So before dinner even started I was worried about the quality of the place. Then we got the food and were blown away. So in my opinion just remove the pizzaria style place setting and you've improved the place.
I didn't know what they were trying to be. It seems like one part was fine dining with the food, another aspect felt like a club or lounge and then at the same time it was trying to be a casual family restaurant.
The food in my opinion was fantastic but it wasn't always consistant.
The other big problem was their wait staff. They had once excellent waiter. The rest seemed to be more interested in hanging out with each other then serving tables. I got the sense that they cared more about the physical appearance, especially of their female staff members then their ability. Via Nove had a very good wine list, however the staff knew nothing about it.
The last problem is that the place was probably just too big. I'm sure the rent wasn't cheap and it just wasn't full during the week nights. I think more consistant service would have gone a long way.
This economy won't help restaurants either. I think owners need to be more focused on the quality of their food and service then ever. People will start to make reductions in their spending and they will pick the restaurants that offer the best for their money. It's the little things that seperate the winners and the losers.
Well I think you have to look at a broad area. Sure if you only look at the town of Fishkill is limited but within the entire Hudson Valley there are a lot of options. And they won't all be crowded every night of the week. Some places in the city don't even accomplish that.
Zagat lists about 100 restaurants with a food rating of 21 or higher. I can't quote the book or the exact number but I read that the Hudson Valley has the largest concentration of restaurants outside off a major city. I think you have to judge it for what it is. If you compare it to mahattan then you are right, it's lacking. But for this population of the area I think it's better then you give it credit for. Sure you have to drive a bit but good places are out there.
As for the chains, that is just a fact of like in the suburbs. Heck even Papa Johns and Dominos thrive in Mahattan. Don't ask me why but they do.
I found the quote I was looking for. It's from a book called "Eating The Hudson Valley" by Evelyn Kanter. In her introduction she writes " Luckily for us, the Hudson Valley has the largest concentration of world-class chefs and restaurants outside a major city". This is what I'm talking about. Its not just Olive Garden and Friday's up here. Although they do exist.
Another interesting fact from this book is that the Hudson Valley is home to 4,000 farms and 36 vineyards. That also factors into this areas food influences.
30 years ago no one thought much about Napa. Now I'm not saying the Hudson Valley will turn into Napa. I'm just pointing out how places and perceptions can change.
I can see your point about Umami. . we actually ate "from" there more often than we ate there. By that I mean, we got take out fairly often because there didn't really seem to be a reason to eat at the location itself. We loved the food, though. The BBQ theme they've replaced it with seems to me a step in the wrong direction. Everything about it seems contrived and unauthentic.
We used to go to the bar at Via Nove before or after a movie, but it seemed like it was so removed from the rest of the restaurant, it wasn't really a fun place to hang out. It was like being in someone's basement bar. A really nice basement bar, but still a tiny little room.
We really enjoyed Tonique when we went last october. We had a great waiter who reminded me a bit of Cason Kressley. . very personable and knowlegable. I asked a lot of quesitons and when he didn't know, he asked if we minded if Joe, the chef, came out. He did, we had a chat about food. . it was great. (Another post suggesed he's not there anymore?).
I can see where you would suggest the area has a lot of great food options, but I think there's a gap. We used to frequent places like Le Chamborde, Harrolds when it was Harrolds, the CIA. . .but they're all on the old, stodgy side, and we're neither old, nor stodgy. We like to think we're younger, cooler and better looking that that (said tounge planted firmly in cheek). . .but just have a hard time finding young, cool, better looking places to eat. :-)
We've been to Double O a few times and like it because it's decent food in a decent atmosphere that's also kid friendly, when we're inclined to bring 'em along. We haven't been to Artists Palate yet, but thinking about going to a movie at the Bardavon some weekend and go there for a light bite afterward.
We *really* enjoyed Serevan, but it's a little out of the way for us. We like Maya Cafe, but really only in the summer. . .it just seems to be a better fit than a dos xx or margarita in january.
Any other suggestions you have along those lines, I'd love to hear them. We've lived in the area now for about 6 years and my understanding of dining in the area can be summed up by "Hudson's Fish & Ribs." The place seems to be packed all the time. It didn't really strike us as our kind of place, but an elderly neighbor got me a gift certificate for some work I did for her. We went, and really, the only way I can describe it is by uttering cliches. . ."early bird special". . . "blue hairs". . ."boston scrod with bread crumb topping". . ."I'll have the bud draft". . ..
But you are right, dutchess isn't a wasteland, as it may have sounded like I was implying. I guess I'm just always looking for new stuff and disappointed when something different closes.
we ate at serevan on saturday, liked it lots.
i'm in the minority on NOT liking artist's palate from last year...haymaker (pok) closed in december. love tonique. going to aroma osteria (wappingers, italian) for the first time this weekend. the would (highland). elephant wine bar in kingston has a lower east side cool vibe to it, though it's obviously way away from your area. twist in hyde park, but it's probably not worth the trip if you're in fishkill.
decent spanish @castillo espanol (poughkeepsie).
on a side note - popovich provisions makes some great homemade mozz. best i've had in the hudson valley, almost as good as the hoboken places (or the place in little italy). they are at the cold spring farmer's market when it reopens again.
I too am disappointed to see places close. I really was a lot of progress and I'm fearful that a possible recession could hit the area restaurants very hard.
Here's a few suggestions I have.
Maya is great, it works for me any time off the year.
Il Barilotto can compete with manhattan restaurants with their food and the atmosphere. It's also packed most nights.
Cathryn's Tuscan Grill in Cold Spring is very nice
Le Bouchon also in cold spring is owned by a chef formly of Les Halles in manhattan of Anthony Bourdin fame.
McKinney & Doyle Fine Foods Cafe in Pawling is fantastic
Saigon Café in POK has amazing Vietnamise but don't expect any atmosphere. It's a tiny hole in the wall with cheap prices but the food is worth it.
Aroma Osteria is good but I liked Il Barilotto better
Busy Bee in POK had the best lamb chops I've ever had.
Sapore was decent but a little pricey.
i didn't mention busy bee b/c i thought you wanted better atmosphere. didn't like saporo (steak) in fishkill....i'm actually preferring miss saigon more recently over saigon cafe.
popovich provisions is not a store, just joseph popovich. you can check out their website (same name) for more info. - they do some high end stuff....
re: bob gaj
Sapore has room for improvement for sure. All the ingredients are there but much like Via Nove I don't think they have it all pulled together. Their wine service for example was excellent. However they didn't have a hostess and when we first arrived we stood in the reception area for several minutes and then when we were finally greeted we were not offered to hang our coats on the rack. We noticed other tables had their coats in a small pile on the floor. It's the stuff like that which seperates a good restaurant for great. I don't mean to sound overly pickey but to me that is what some of these places should thrive for. The food at Sapore was decent. It wasn't fantastic but for a Fishkill steak house I think there is a place and need for it in our area.
I evaluate a place for where it is and what it's trying to be. I wouldn't compare Daniel on the same scale as Sapore for example.
I didn't think the atmosphere at Busy Bee was that bad but every thing I read people say the same thing. Did they remodel the place or something? My wife and I were looking for a quick, cheaper, casual dinner one night since we were on our way to Adams in POK. We thought the Busy Bee was going to be very casual. So we were shocked when we found that it was a full service restaurant complete with white linens. We didn't feel like we were dresses appropriately at all. It was a complete shock. So I don't really get why people are down on the atmoshpere. Sure it's not high end up I didn't have a problem with it. I guess we were expecting worse.
Thanks for the advice about popovich provisions
It's really a competitive market around here, I guess anyone with substandard service for the mid-price market just isn't going to make it.
One question: We have gift certificates for Via 9 Nove, any idea how to get them redeemed? I was thinking of mailing copies to Cosimo's business office if I can find an address.
For Italian (and a fun experience) I recommend going up to the Culinary Institute in Hyde Park. (One of the reasons the Mid Hudson has such a nice concentration of restaurants?) Their Italian restaurant, Catarina De Medici, is a beautiful restaurant, the food is very good and if you don't mind student wait staff you'll definitely enjoy it.
The waiters are a little clunky but so earnest and always fun to talk to, and there is a professional manager and wine steward to oversee the room.
Yeah, I'd check with Cosimo's. I'd image they would honor your gift certificate. I agree with your comment about it being a competitive market. I also think the market has educated consumers that recognize quality.
I really enjoyed Catarina de Medici, so again I agree with you. Personally I love the student wait staff. If you are really into food and cooking it is great to have a conversation with them and learn about their eductation, interests and future plans. We've always found that they are very willing to engage in conversation. You can't get that experience at any other restaurant. It's what makes dinning at the CIA special.
One time at American Bounty we even got a personal tour of the kitchen. Where else do you find that?