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Jan 10, 2008 10:09 AM

Oriental Manor 2.0?

According to my mother (who is Chinese), she heard from a friend who also heard from a friend that Oriental Manor's replacement is now open for business. Is this a rumor or has anyone confirmed this? Haven't had a chance to drive down to Ellicott City yet but I'm really interested in this latest development in the saga of Oriental Manor. If it is indeed open for business and someone has been there, can anyone comment on the quality of this the replacement?

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  1. Ooh! I hope it's true and I hope it's good. I am really craving some good Cantonese food that I don't have to cook myself. :)

    1. I drove by there tonight, hoping to be the first to report on the new regime, but they're still remodelling. The new lighted sign says
      Asian Court
      Dim Sum Noodles Sushi

      (or something close to that)

      One of the workman was out having a smoke, and though he had a very thick accent and didn't seem to be all that good with English, I think I understood him to say they are targetting opening on the 28th.

      Another potentially promising sign is that there were signs on the door, all in Chinese characters, rather than Korean, as best as I could tell. The only parts I noticed in English were "New Management" and a phone number. I don't read Chinese, so I'm not sure if the non-English portion of the signs on the doors were meant for the work crews, or for potential customers, but if it's the latter, they may be targeting a Chinese customer base, which could be good for those of us hoping for another "real" Chinese outpost in the Baltimore area.

      If anybody goes by there regularly, updates would be welcome as the end of the month approaches.

      4 Replies
      1. re: Warthog

        This is exciting news, indeed. And, nice to learn that they're dropping "Oriental" for "Asian." Signs of other great things to come, I hope. I look forward to the first reports, and thanks for this head's up.

        1. re: Warthog

          Warthog, thanks for the detailed info. Here's hoping that Asian Court is a winner! I'm a bit perplexed about the sushi though. Generally, non-sushi Asian restaurants and carryouts only serve sushi (and Americanized Chinese food) as an insurance plan. The reasoning is that if the authentic stuff doesn't doesn't sell, sushi is always a dependable product that generates business and pleases the masses. I wonder if they are either unconfident about their menu or if this is just a backup business strategy.

          1. re: tombradyqb

            My own guess is that they may be trying to cover the bases. If one were an investor looking at the Baltimore restaurant scene, one might conclude that there is not a sufficient customer base to focus on one cuisine, based on how many "cuisine specific" places have bitten the dust.

            A combo of dim sum, noodles, and sushi might have several advantages. Each is distinct yet focused enough that one could easily have prep and supply for each without breaking the bank, or requiring extravagant amounts of floor space or kitchen space. You can hit multiple customer groups - Chinese for dimsum and perhaps noodles, possibly Vietnamese, Japanese or Korean for noodles (depending on what sort of Asian noodles one is talking about), and Japanese for sushi. And of course, the rest of us might be tempted by all three.

            It might be a "saftey net" approach as you conjecture, in the hope that at least one of the three will catch on, but it may also be a very well thought out assessment of what is missing from the local market. There's no good dim sum in the Baltimore area any more, the noodle choices are mostly Korean or Vietnamse, and if you think about it, there's only two real competitors in the Route 40 corridor on the sushi front - the place in Normandy shopping center (I'm blanking on the name), and Fuji. So if the market doesn't quite support any one cuisine, a way to selectively target more than one might make sense.

            Combining the three *could* be a masterstroke, assuming the quality level on each is fairly decent. And even if one of them is effectively an afterthought as you suggest, it's not a major investment that would automatically take away from the rest.

            Time will tell, I guess.

            1. re: Warthog

              The one on Normandy is called Niko's Japanese Restaurant. As for the Vietnamese food, I have to say it is lacking which is an understatement. The only good Pho place is Pho Nam but the place is not very "pretty" so it turns people off.

              As for Oriental Manor/ Asian Court I have to drive there sometime to see if they're open yet to get some dim sum. I hope it is better than before. I will update if go.

        2. The Sun blog had an update a while back with the new owners predicting an opening today (5 February 2008). Anybody who live in the area able to confirm or deny?

          1. I went last night with two friends.

            Short summary: *Extensive* menu, some hits and some misses on the items we had, service will need to get the kinks out (both language/translation issues and actual performance), but overall, I'd put it down as strongly worth exploring further.

            For starters, two of us had hot and sour soup, and one of us ordered the vegetable soup.

            Hot and sour had neither the vinegar kick nor the black pepper tingle that should be present. Decent flavor, but sort of insipid compared to what hot and sour soup should be. One plus - it did not have the gloppy texture from overuse of cornstarch as a thickener, a trend that we were glad to see carried over to the sauces on all their dishes.

            The vegetable soup was a wonderful, flavorful borth filled with a bountiful selection of the sorts of vegetables one would expect in a Chinese restaurant. Definitely one of the high points of the meal. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) it's also the only soup on the menu that is not listed as "for one". I noticed this, but didn't say anything, because I assumed that when the waitress made no mention that she was just going to bring out a single-person portion for my friend. WRONG! The big "for sharing" bowl was delivered with a spoon. We later tried, with no success, to have a ladle brought, though they did bring a single portion soup bowl. My other friend and I helped out the cause by refilling our bowls tediously with our soup spoons. The soup was worth the effort, despite the service issues.

            For drinks, we had hot tea, along with glasses of water, and that one of the water glasses be brought with no ice for one of my friends. What showed up was the hot tea, and the one "no ice" glass, our repeated attempts at explanation of "Please bring one of the water glasses with no ice, and that one goes to her" having been taken to mean "One with no ice, the others don't want any". Another service battle lost in translation.

            For dinner, we had sauted eggplant in spicy garlic sauce, Chinese sausage with choice vegetable, Salt fish chicken with chive flower, and snowpeas/waterchestnut/mushroom stir fry.

            My friends liked the eggplant best, though I would have rated it near the bottom of our list of four. It was not at all spicy, despite the "chili pepper" warning mark on the menu. I think if you like things spicy (whether spicy hot or spicy savory), you're going to have to be emphatic - the kitchen seemed to be in "Americans are wimps" mode. The other explanation would be that they are Cantonese, and don't really do spicy much, but the menu did not read like having a strong Cantonese base. Anyway, the dish had nice sauce, lots of garlic, and the Asian eggplants were well cooked (no undercooked/raw sections, which sometimes happens).

            Salt fish chicken with chive flower turned out to be shreds of chicken in a big pile of one inch sections of chives. I was expecting garlic chive (which are usually sold with the flower end on), but I couldn't tell if these were garlic chives or merely regular chives. I'm not sure where the salt fish was physically, but the flavor was very much present. A very nice dish.

            The snow pea, mushroom and waterchestnut medley was a solid example of a fairly common dish, but with a bit more water chestnut (diced, not sliced) than I would have expected, which made for a nice texture balance between the pea pods, the mushroom chunks, and the water chestnuts. The one surprise was that the mushrooms seemed to be plain old fresh button mushrooms (same size dice as the water chestnuts) rather than any of the Asian mushrooms one might expect. Still good, though.

            When my friend saw Chinese sausage on the menu, he really lit up. He said he hadn't had lop chong (hope I came close on the spelling ) in a long time. He described how he used to cook it at home, steaming a pile of bok choy with slices of the sausage on top, so that the fat from the sausage mingled with the greens below. As he ordered, he said "We'd like the Chinese sausage with choice vegetaqble - I think it would be really good with bok choy" The waitress agreed, and scribbled that part of the order down.

            As it turned out, the menu really did mean "choice vegetable" as in "these are really nice vegetables" rather than "choice of vegetable" as my friend assumed. I should also note that he was stumped by "head-on shrimp with <something>" until I suggested that it was probably mangled grammar for "shrimp with the heads on"
            the lop chong arrived mixed in with an array of large dice of red onion, celery, and bell pepper. Nice, but the bok choy would have been *much* better.

            On the whole, good (especially given the lack of competition in the area, but not outstanding. Still, it has potential, and I intend to go back and explore the menu further to find out where their strong suit lies. In a menu this large, with Japanese, sushi/sashimi, Chinese noodles, faux meat vegetarian Chinese, American Chinese, and more esoteric Chinese, one assumes that there are going to be some things that are just placeholders, and some things that are really their best genre. I think it's worth finding out where the strengths are, and one can always ignore the rest.

            I do hope the service and language issues get improved, but on opening night with a largely not-fluent-in-English staff, one expects such things. In time, one expects that the wait staff will get in the groove.

            I still wish I could just move China Star up here from NoVA!

            6 Replies
            1. re: Warthog

              Thanks for the comprehensive review, and being so bold as to go there on one of their opening nights. I will definitely check it out soon, and will be prepared to pantomime if needed to try to get what I want!

              1. re: baltoellen

                To their credit, even with the communications difficulties, there was absolutely none of the "You no like that, try this instead" attempts to steer us to the sorts of things that "Americans will like". That is definitely a plus in my view.

                1. re: Warthog

                  WOW!! Thank you for the extensive report. It does sound promising and I can't wait to get down there myself. Mmmm...just in time for Chinese New Year!

                1. re: Chownut

                  Nope, just the stuff I described in the post

                  1. re: Warthog

                    Thanks for the news and the extensive review. As you said, compared to the competition, this is VERY promising. There are really no decent (I'm not even talking good) Chinese places in the Catonsville/Ellicott City area. I live 10 minutes from OM and miss it so I am really excited and definitely plan to check out the new incarnation.

              2. OK, so I stopped there with Mrs. TomBradyqb tonight around 8pm and the place was well patronized by customers. Not very crowded but had MORE folks there than I've ever seen at Oriental Manor. The place has cleaned up nicely and the owner has put in a nice decor of blue and yellow theme. Service was okay. It was kind of hard to find a waiter or waitress at times. Nobody stopped by to help us top off our glasses with ice water and the staff seemed new to the menu and hesitated to make some suggestions. But this review is not about decor or service. It's about food!
                We ordered a steamed chicken dish with chopped ginger/scallions/garlic sauce, minced shrimp with tofu and stir fried clams (AKA typhoon shelter clams). The restaurant gave us a complimentary dish of sweet soup to top off the meal at the end. The steamed chicken was perhaps our favorite. Moist and plentiful, the flavor was nicely infused into the chicken and even the white meat parts were nice and tender. Mrs. Brady said that it didn't even need the condiments they provided. Although the chopped ginger and scallions are our favorite. The minced shrimp tofu was fried and topped with a nice lobster sauce that was probably not enough. We could barely taste the shrimp but there were some nice sized chunks of lobster in the sauce. Who would have ever heard of real actual lobster in lobster sauce anyway. But the portions again were generous. The dish was surrounded by a nice helping of chinese vegetables. The stir fried clams were on just about everyone's table so we figured it was the popular dish around. These clams are stir fried with lots of garlic and topped with minced pork in a brown sauce. It was spicy and the sauce was pretty flavorful. Went very well with our dish of white rice. Somehow the kitchen forgot to include the pork in this dish. Mrs. Brady caught this and we had it sent back. They apologized for the mistake and kindly fixed the issue. Overall, it was a good experience and we anticipate on returning for dim sum and HK wonton soup someday.

                *** I should also note that I called earlier in the day and asked if they had a menu available on their website but the person who answered the phone said that it wasn't up yet. They kindly faxed me a copy of the menu and when the whole fax didn't go through they faxed it again. IMO they went out of their way to do this and it really impressed me.