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AOC or Upstairs 2?

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kay06 Jan 6, 2008 01:00 PM

I'm an out-of-towner in need of an LA restaurant to give a gift certificate to. The recipients are definite foodies and big-time wine lovers. "Hipness" definitely not a priority. They live in Venice but would happily travel for a great meal. Having done a preliminary search, it seems like AOC and Upstairs 2 might fit the bill. Any preferences between the 2? Or other suggestions? Thanks.

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    bubbles4me RE: kay06 Jan 6, 2008 01:02 PM

    No contest AOC.

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      ElJeffe RE: bubbles4me Jan 6, 2008 01:20 PM

      As you can from the thread below, there is plenty of reason not to heap praise upon the AOC. It was one of my most disappointing meals in LA, especially as I love both Lucques and Hungry Cat.

      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/68288

      AOC would probably feel like a more of a 'special' experience for a gift. But since you said 'hipness' was not a priority, either one could work well, and Upstairs 2 is certainly closer.

      Here's another thread for great wine-friendly experiences if you're looking for additional ideas...

      http://www.chowhound.com/topics/475624

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      pickygirl RE: kay06 Jan 6, 2008 01:05 PM

      agree w bubbles. no question-aoc

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        carter RE: kay06 Jan 6, 2008 01:36 PM

        AOC certainly wins this prize, hands down. Had friends in from Vermont and they still cannot stop talking about the AOC experience 18 months later. Not trying to denigrate Upstairs 2, yet it is not in the same category whatsoever.

        1. Emme RE: kay06 Jan 6, 2008 01:57 PM

          Not knowing where they've been already, it's a bit tougher to suggest other options, but I'd look at Bin 8945, Via Veneto, Joe's, Jiraffe, Il Pastaio, and Lou on Vine

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            vinosnob RE: Emme Jan 7, 2008 09:03 AM

            Without question, AOC; tell your friends to sit at the bar or "cheese" bar.

            I'd avoid Bin 8945; it's been sold and Haskell and Bryant will be opening a more casual place soon called Keg and Barrel.

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            la tache burger RE: kay06 Jan 7, 2008 09:21 AM

            The argument in favor of Upstairs 2, however, is that your friends have probably already been to AOC, and perhaps Upstairs 2 is not on their radar. Upstairs 2 has an extremely fun wine list with a lot of great selections at incredibly fair prices. Your friends could drink a great bottle, eat decent food as second fiddle to a special wine, it won't cost a fortune, and they'll feel like they're making a discovery as opposed to going to a place that everyone knows is hip and cool.

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              RicRios RE: la tache burger Jan 7, 2008 12:04 PM

              Or buy a bottle downstairs, and then pay another $10 for the privilege of popping the cork upstairs ... too.

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                nosh RE: RicRios Jan 7, 2008 12:16 PM

                Upstairs 2 really needs to rethink their corkage policy. I understand that EVEN when a customer is buying a bottle from the shop downstairs, there are costs in stemware and service. And certainly the customer is then NOT buying equivalent glasses or a bottle from the restaurant. So I understand the rationale.

                But it irks a patron to shop the wine store and then be hit with the corkage when one walks it up the stairs. Obviously a white would probably need to be chilled, so we are probably talking reds. I honestly don't know how this fits into the equation. The profit margin in a wine store is not nearly that of a restaurant, so there is a smaller mark-up. But considering all of this, wouldn't Upstairs 2 be better off with a more friendly cooperative policy?

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              slacker RE: kay06 Jan 7, 2008 03:02 PM

              Upstairs 2 has the better wine selection by far. I mean, there's the Wine House right there. In terms of food, I don't feel that AOC wins hands down. I thought the food at Upstairs 2 was excellent; there were probably some more creative dishes at AOC, but it wasn't a clear winner to me.

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                CharlotteMichele RE: kay06 Jan 7, 2008 04:27 PM

                How about Tasca on third? It is one block from AOC and really terrific food. Check out Irene Verbilla's review in the LA times

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                  RicRios RE: CharlotteMichele Jan 7, 2008 05:28 PM

                  Agreed, I'll choose Tasca any time over AOC.

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