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denochow Jan 6, 2008 11:22 AM

Our fabulous city is noted as the mother to a great number of original foods such as Green Goddess Dressing, Crab Louis Salad, Irish Coffee and the Fortune Cookie. Do any chowhounds out there know of others? Maybe there are resources on them. I think it would be neat to have a list of these and maybe learn a little about the foods made famous by our city by the bay.

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  1. Lori SF RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 11:41 AM

    Chop suey in the mid 1900's due to the Chinese laborers working on the U.S. transcontinental railroad here or said to be because the Chinese ambassador Li Hung Chang’s cooks while he was visiting New York.

    The big overstuffed burrito?
    Sourdough bread?

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    1. re: Lori SF
      wolfe RE: Lori SF Jan 6, 2008 12:02 PM

      I'm sure you mean 1800's as the gold spike, joining the East and West, was pounded in 1869 at Promontory Utah. Part of the California connection was Leland Stanford the elder.

      1. re: wolfe
        Lori SF RE: wolfe Jan 6, 2008 07:35 PM

        maybe you are on to something ealier-
        this one reads 1849-

        It's interesting I did not know any of this- ggood post from the OP.

      2. re: Lori SF
        Eat_Nopal RE: Lori SF Jan 6, 2008 02:58 PM

        Unfortunately all of San Francisco's wonderful innovations (does Sourdough bread count?)... were undermined by the absolute ruining of the Burrito (aka Mulita) =)

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          ML8000 RE: Eat_Nopal Jan 6, 2008 03:09 PM

          Well the mulita was created by Mexicanos so at least it's an authentic mutation. Same goes for a lot of immigrant food like pizza, chop suey, etc.

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            Lori SF RE: Eat_Nopal Jan 6, 2008 07:37 PM

            ha ha funny I said Sourdough, what about it used a bowel to eat clam chowder out of and not the red kind?

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              Xiao Yang RE: Lori SF Jan 6, 2008 08:01 PM

              I don't think even Andrew Zimmern is up for eating clam chowder out of a bowel...

            2. re: Eat_Nopal
              pjack RE: Eat_Nopal Feb 2, 2011 10:37 PM

              Sour dough invented in SF? Ever heard of levain?

          2. Absonot RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 11:57 AM

            hangtown fry - I think it's a gold miner dish
            celery victor (a bit obscure, but delicious), from the chef at the St. Francis whose name was Victor.

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            1. re: Absonot
              wolfe RE: Absonot Jan 6, 2008 02:00 PM

              Hangtown fry
              You put down your poke (bag of gold) and take your chances on which version of the story you want to believe.

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              ML8000 RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 01:38 PM

              Crab Louie, the Martini and the Fortune Cookie. The martini is actually from Martinez. The fortune cookie was invented by a Japanese American for a tea ceremony in Golden Gate Park. Crab Louie is bit more contentious...some say Seattle, others SF.

              1. Carrie 218 RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 01:54 PM


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                1. re: Carrie 218
                  Lori SF RE: Carrie 218 Jan 6, 2008 07:39 PM

                  hum don't know I grew up thinking it was pismo beach?

                2. Xiao Yang RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 03:08 PM

                  A couple more, and some superlatives can be found here:


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                  1. re: Xiao Yang
                    rworange RE: Xiao Yang Jan 7, 2008 08:34 AM

                    Well, if the Mai Tai of Trader's Vic origin is going to be credited, don't forget crab rangoon also from the same place.

                    While It's It is definately San Franciscan, I never heard the popsicle was invented in the area.

                    While it is not a menu creation, sand dabs are very local ... found at Tadich's, Sam's and various Fisherman's Wharf restaurants.

                    Rice-a-Roni, crab Rangoon, fortune cookies, Mission burritos ... amazing that SF became a food city.

                    1. re: rworange
                      Nancy Berry RE: rworange Jan 7, 2008 10:30 AM

                      Info re the Popsicle and SF: http://www.associatedcontent.com/arti...

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                        Xiao Yang RE: rworange Jan 7, 2008 10:51 AM

                        Just passing along a source, Krys -- don't shoot the messenger!

                        I'd add Crab Louis to your list of embarassments, as well. Why pour all that goop over perfectly good crab?

                        1. re: Xiao Yang
                          rworange RE: Xiao Yang Jan 7, 2008 11:38 AM

                          Whew, there's a real case of the tone being misunderstood in print. I went back to read if it could be construed as cranky. I was writing it in a bubbly sort of manner, I was surprised about popsicles and just thought some of the things we are famous for aren't something to especially be proud of. Has a San Franciscan ever eaten Rice-A-Roni regularily? Well, a Chowhound San Franciscan ... even a foodie San Franciscan.

                          Yeah, I'll probably get a million Rice-a-Roni love responses.

                          1. re: rworange
                            Melanie Wong RE: rworange Jan 7, 2008 11:52 AM

                            Apparently, Gavin Newsom.

                            1. re: rworange
                              pjack RE: rworange Feb 2, 2011 10:49 PM

                              Rice -a- roni is based on a very delicious Armenian recipe for rice pilaf with vermicelli. Like crab Louie it became famous because when made with fresh ingredients and love it can be a great dish.

                            2. re: Xiao Yang
                              Carrie 218 RE: Xiao Yang Jan 7, 2008 11:39 AM

                              Crab Louis's history from SF is debatable. While Helen Evans Brown, in her cookbook West Coast Cook Book, states the following on the history:

                              "Just which Louis invented this West Coast specialty I am not prepared to say, but only because I don't know. I do know, however, that it was served at Solari's, in San Francisco, in 1914, for Clarence Edwords gives their recipe for it in his epicure's guide, Bohemian San Francisco. However some credit the origin of Crab Louis Salad to the chef at Seattle’s Olympic Club in Washington. In 1904, when the Metropolitan Opera Company played in Seattle, Washington, Enrico Caruso (1873-1921), considered the world's greatest tenor, kept ordering the salad until none was left in the restaurant's kitchen."

                              And the reason for the "goop" is that 100 years ago, crab was peasant food. Meaning, only the poor would eat it plain while being rich meant you could have it dressed up.

                              1. re: Carrie 218
                                Ruth Lafler RE: Carrie 218 Jan 7, 2008 12:17 PM

                                Just like lobster was considered fit only for servants and prisoners in old New England!

                              2. re: Xiao Yang
                                pjack RE: Xiao Yang Feb 2, 2011 10:42 PM

                                a little bit of Louie dressing made with homemade ketchup and homemde mayonnaise (you nose in the air foodies would only use aioli I suppose), minced shallot and lemon juice can really enhance freshly picked dungeness crab meat

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                            Nancy Berry RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 06:00 PM

                            Joe's Special, recipe here: http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

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                            1. re: Nancy Berry
                              jlafler RE: Nancy Berry Jan 16, 2008 06:58 PM

                              My mom used to make it sometimes when I was a kid, but I haven't had it in ages.

                              Now i'm getting nostalgic....

                              1. re: Nancy Berry
                                pikawicca RE: Nancy Berry Feb 1, 2011 05:26 PM

                                I make it at least once a month.

                              2. Xiao Yang RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 06:18 PM

                                How can we forget Rice-a-Roni?

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                                1. re: Xiao Yang
                                  Lori SF RE: Xiao Yang Jan 6, 2008 07:38 PM

                                  Thanks to "The Streets of San Francisco"

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                                    Xiao Yang RE: Lori SF Jan 6, 2008 08:15 PM

                                    Actually, R-a-R goes back to 1958, so we get to celebrate its 50th this year.


                                  2. re: Xiao Yang
                                    pikawicca RE: Xiao Yang Feb 1, 2011 05:26 PM

                                    I assume you're kidding.

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                                    waldrons RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 06:59 PM

                                    Of course, the real trick is, where can one go to sample some of these more obscure dishes (if anywhere)?

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                                    1. re: waldrons
                                      Xiao Yang RE: waldrons Jan 6, 2008 07:25 PM

                                      For starters, the Flytrap has Hangtown Fry (for lunch) and Celery Victor (for dinner).


                                      John's Grill has both Hangtown Fry and Joe's Special


                                      1. re: Xiao Yang
                                        Sharuf RE: Xiao Yang Jan 6, 2008 09:29 PM

                                        The Flytrap also has Chicken Jerusalem(!) Haven't seen that in years. Don't know if it's an SF original, (it could be - it features artichoke bottoms). It used to be common in upscale restaurants.

                                        1. re: Xiao Yang
                                          Windy RE: Xiao Yang Jan 7, 2008 02:29 PM

                                          Brenda's makes a super Hangtown Fry.

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                                        trowbridge RE: denochow Jan 6, 2008 09:37 PM

                                        There is always controversy about the origin of cocktails, but the Lemon Drop was supposedly from here, too. I know people will contest this because it sounds French, but Creme Brulee also originated in SF. That's really true.

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                                        1. re: trowbridge
                                          Xiao Yang RE: trowbridge Jan 6, 2008 10:19 PM

                                          Also European-sounding, caffe latte originated across the Bay in Berkeley, invented by Leno Meiorin at the Caffe Mediterraneum.

                                          I bet Sharuf remembers "The Med."

                                          1. re: Xiao Yang
                                            Sharuf RE: Xiao Yang Jan 7, 2008 12:00 AM

                                            The Med -- big seedy-looking place full of boho-style slackers eager to sell you their poetry books. Is that the place? Is it no longer there? Haven't been to that end of Berkeley in a long time.

                                            1. re: Sharuf
                                              ML8000 RE: Sharuf Jan 7, 2008 01:43 AM

                                              Caffe Med is still there...although it has gotten run down. Still I like it for reasons unrelated to coffee. It was always open on weird holidays and was quite nice when no one was there. I remember having Xmas breakfast there one year during break.

                                              1. re: ML8000
                                                Xiao Yang RE: ML8000 Jan 7, 2008 07:02 AM

                                                What do you mean "Gotten Run Down?" That's probably the way I would have described it around 1962, when I first set foot inside. I think it was as Sharuf described the day it opened.

                                                1. re: Xiao Yang
                                                  ML8000 RE: Xiao Yang Jan 7, 2008 08:22 AM

                                                  I mean it's gotten worse. Age and time does that.

                                                  1. re: ML8000
                                                    zard RE: ML8000 Feb 1, 2011 12:43 PM

                                                    Cafe Med has been there since my parents were students at Berkeley in the 1940's. No wonder it looks run down! It used to be the only place to get espresso outside of North Beach.

                                                2. re: ML8000
                                                  Robert Lauriston RE: ML8000 Feb 1, 2011 12:49 PM

                                                  The Med's current owner has reportedly cleaned things up somewhat:


                                              2. re: Xiao Yang
                                                Eat_Nopal RE: Xiao Yang Jan 7, 2008 06:01 AM

                                                The Latte (Cafe con Leche) has been common in Latin America for at least 100 years (all the classic Cafes in Veracruz are about 100 years old) and I bet it has a much deeper history than that... perhaps Leno just invented the clever European sounding name?

                                                1. re: Eat_Nopal
                                                  jlafler RE: Eat_Nopal Jan 16, 2008 07:03 PM

                                                  There's some overlap in the terminology, I think. I believe Cafe con Leche is the same as Cafe au Lait, which is coffee and milk; somewhat different from Caffe Latte, which is made with espresso. I'd always assumed Caffe Latte originated in Italy, but who knows?

                                                  1. re: jlafler
                                                    Eat_Nopal RE: jlafler Jan 16, 2008 07:20 PM

                                                    I am not sure about elsewhere but I am 99% certain that in Cuba & Veracruz (both famous for their Cafe con Leche) they use espresso.

                                                    1. re: jlafler
                                                      Sharuf RE: jlafler Jan 16, 2008 09:45 PM

                                                      I first had cafe con leche in Mexico City in 1963. It was cafe au lait.

                                                  2. re: Xiao Yang
                                                    Robert Lauriston RE: Xiao Yang Feb 1, 2011 12:52 PM

                                                    Caffè latte might well have been invented here. Italians have something called a latte macchiato (a glass of steamed milk with a shot of espresso thrown in), but that's not the same thing.

                                                2. Carrie 218 RE: denochow Jan 7, 2008 08:48 AM

                                                  No one has mentioned It's It yet, have they???? The BEST ice cream treat in America!

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                                                  1. re: Carrie 218
                                                    Lori SF RE: Carrie 218 Jan 7, 2008 01:46 PM

                                                    its its??

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                                                      JasmineG RE: Lori SF Jan 12, 2008 08:43 PM

                                                      You've never heard of an It's It? You must be masquerading as a San Franciscan!

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                                                        artemis RE: JasmineG Jan 12, 2008 09:07 PM

                                                        what a tragedy lori! you're missing out. be sure to wave at the factory on your left as you drive down 101 after sfo. they were my snack of choice at the high school cafeteria, either coffee or mint. i wish they sold those cookies on their own too! that was the best part.

                                                        1. re: artemis
                                                          Xiao Yang RE: artemis Jan 12, 2008 09:38 PM

                                                          They'll never taste as good as they did at Playland-at-the-Beach, which at the time was the only place you could get them.

                                                          1. re: Xiao Yang
                                                            chipman RE: Xiao Yang Jan 13, 2008 07:58 AM

                                                            Remember the Hot House? The only Mexican restaurant that served french bread instead of tortilla's with your meal.

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                                                              Pendolino RE: chipman Jan 15, 2008 05:55 PM

                                                              I still crave the Hot House cup tamale. Especially after a few beers. The closest I have found to their sauce (remember it--orange brown with just the right amount of spiciness) is, believe it or don't, Safeway Select Enchilada Sauce.

                                                              1. re: Pendolino
                                                                suelarson RE: Pendolino Jan 30, 2011 05:56 PM

                                                                Re: the Hot House sauce. A friend told us to take a can of red chili sauce and mix with a can of campbell's cream of chicken soup - and it tastes great and very much like the Old Hot House sauce... try it.

                                                            2. re: Xiao Yang
                                                              sugartoof RE: Xiao Yang Jan 16, 2008 08:11 PM

                                                              It's true, they fresh dipped them there, but if you get a fresh batch at the store they're still the most incredible store bought ice cream treat in the country! Truly San Franciscan! So glad they got a mention.

                                                            3. re: artemis
                                                              ola RE: artemis Jan 31, 2011 03:45 PM

                                                              It's It has a factory outlet in Suisun City where you can get the pre-made ice cream bars for about $1 each and the cookie dough, pre formed and frozen, for $9 for 48 cookies. I have both chocolate chip and white chocolate chip with macademia nuts in my freezer.

                                                              1. re: ola
                                                                Nancy Berry RE: ola Feb 3, 2011 05:50 PM

                                                                It' Its are oatmeal cookies, NOT chocolate (or white chocolate) chip cookies, sandwiched around vanilla, coffee, chocolate, or mint ice cream and then covered with chocoate. Never heard of chocolate chip or macademia nut It's Its.

                                                                1. re: Nancy Berry
                                                                  wolfe RE: Nancy Berry Feb 3, 2011 06:43 PM

                                                                  It's not and It's It it's a Chips It.
                                                                  You Need Bill Clinton to define it in that sentence.

                                                                  1. re: Nancy Berry
                                                                    sugartoof RE: Nancy Berry Feb 3, 2011 10:11 PM

                                                                    The owners started a cookie dough company that specializes in wholesaling to cafeterias,/schools, etc. and they sell more variations to the It's-It Oatmeal cookie.

                                                            4. re: Lori SF
                                                              jlafler RE: Lori SF Jan 16, 2008 06:54 PM

                                                              My husband works at Google, where they have custom-made Its its, using (I think) organic ingredients. They taste just the same, thank heaven!

                                                              For the uninitiated: Ice cream sandwiched between two oatmeal cookies, dipped in chocolate. Sigh.


                                                          2. denochow RE: denochow Jan 12, 2008 08:17 PM

                                                            A number of good replies...
                                                            Does Strawberries Romanoff count?

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                                                            1. re: denochow
                                                              wolfe RE: denochow Jan 13, 2008 06:25 AM

                                                              Perhaps not.

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                                                              sugartoof RE: denochow Jan 16, 2008 08:21 PM

                                                              Great thread! I'll add Joe's Special, Warm goat cheese salad, jelly bellys (unless you're rooting for Los Angeles), Green Goddess dressing, and a ton of other extinct specialties.

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                                                              1. re: sugartoof
                                                                mariacarmen RE: sugartoof Jan 30, 2011 09:30 PM

                                                                warm goat cheese salad invented here? I had that in France, not like 30 years ago or anything, but i'm pretty sure the French were doing that before it caught on here, don't you think? i'm just curious, not trying to argue...

                                                                1. re: mariacarmen
                                                                  sugartoof RE: mariacarmen Jan 31, 2011 01:26 AM

                                                                  It's credited to Alice Waters, and described as one of the most influential dishes of the 80's after NY Times published it. Her wiki page lists it under "culinary innovations", and the biography Alice Waters & Chez Panisse by Thomas Mcnamee describes it as "unprecedented", and classic California cuisine.

                                                                  It could very well be there are old French cook books with similar recipes, in which case it would be like the case of the Jelly Bean and the Jelly Belly.

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                                                                    mariacarmen RE: sugartoof Jan 31, 2011 06:09 AM

                                                                    ah, ok. i would have thought she'd first tried it on her life-changing trip to France, but maybe she was just inspired. thanks.

                                                                    1. re: sugartoof
                                                                      Paul H RE: sugartoof Jan 31, 2011 07:00 PM

                                                                      Do you know the date of the NYTs publication?

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                                                                        sugartoof RE: Paul H Jan 31, 2011 08:08 PM

                                                                        1983. It's available online.

                                                                        The recipe itself predates publication, of course.

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                                                                          Robert Lauriston RE: Paul H Jan 31, 2011 09:11 PM



                                                                        2. re: sugartoof
                                                                          zard RE: sugartoof Feb 1, 2011 12:48 PM

                                                                          Its my guess that the french were putting goat cheese on their salads long before the 1980's. There are some classics of french cooking that involve cheese on salad. Alice has long been fond of the french methode, and her wonderful cookbooks reflect that. Her innovation was retooling french recipes to use local ingredients instead of imported ones. For this, we owe her a debt of gratitude. We can thank her for the locavore movement too.

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                                                                            sugartoof RE: zard Feb 1, 2011 05:24 PM

                                                                            "Her innovation was retooling french recipes to use local ingredients instead of imported ones."

                                                                            Not exactly an innovation in food so much as an innovation in marketing, but she did usher in a popularized rebirth of a kind of California Cuisine that was much different from the mostly lost Barbary Coast version.

                                                                            1. re: sugartoof
                                                                              ikb RE: sugartoof Feb 1, 2011 06:56 PM

                                                                              exactly. as you pointed out, her wikipedia page lists this as a "culinary innovation." but it also lists "fruit bowls" as another culinary innovation. she clearly didn't invent that!

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                                                                                sugartoof RE: ikb Feb 1, 2011 07:53 PM

                                                                                well, to be fair, some have argued that she innovated the single uncut fruit on a plate. most cooks had felt obligated to cut up the fruit before her trailblazing simplicity.

                                                                                1. re: sugartoof
                                                                                  mariacarmen RE: sugartoof Feb 1, 2011 09:47 PM

                                                                                  AHAHAHAHAHA! don't get us started.

                                                                                  1. re: sugartoof
                                                                                    Robert Lauriston RE: sugartoof Feb 2, 2011 07:37 AM

                                                                                    The single nectarine on a plate story came from Zuni.

                                                                                    Back in the day, meals downstairs at Chez Panisse included European-style fruit service where they put a bowl on the table and you took what you liked.

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                                                                                      mariacarmen RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 2, 2011 10:44 PM

                                                                                      i had the lone peach on a pedestal platter at Chez Panisse, upstairs. My birthday dinner, stands out in my mind very distinctly. Probably 1998-1999.

                                                                                      Chez Panisse
                                                                                      1517 Shattuck Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94709

                                                                          2. re: mariacarmen
                                                                            Robert Lauriston RE: mariacarmen Jan 31, 2011 07:12 AM

                                                                            Thomas McNamee, who spent a lot of time researching his book, describes the warm goat cheese salad (still on the Cafe menu every day) as "apparently unprecedented." The French generally don't mess with their cheese the way Americans do.

                                                                            1. re: mariacarmen
                                                                              ikb RE: mariacarmen Jan 31, 2011 07:35 AM

                                                                              i think mariacarmen is right.

                                                                              alice waters didn't invent warm goat cheese salad - she just discovered an entirely different culture already eating it and popularized it here.

                                                                              1. re: ikb
                                                                                Robert Lauriston RE: ikb Jan 31, 2011 08:05 AM

                                                                                Most of the things that Chez Panisse introduced to the Bay Area were imports, but that's an original.

                                                                                The French wouldn't think to put salad and cheese on the same plate. Those are two different courses.

                                                                                1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                                                  mariacarmen RE: Robert Lauriston Jan 31, 2011 06:47 PM

                                                                                  that actually does make sense. But they DO do it now. I had it in Paris in 2000 - it was my first meal off the plane.

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                                                                                    ikb RE: Robert Lauriston Jan 31, 2011 09:10 PM

                                                                                    there is actually a new york times article about this. goat cheese wasn't even really produced in america in the 1970's. what alice waters did was commercialize the goat cheese created by a woman named laura chanel. by putting this on her menu she popularized goat cheese for americans.

                                                                                    but i think most people would agree salade au chevre chaud is french not american!

                                                                              2. re: sugartoof
                                                                                Robert Lauriston RE: sugartoof Jan 31, 2011 07:19 AM

                                                                                Jelly Belly is a brand name for jelly beans. They did come up with a lot of original flavors.

                                                                                Green Goddess dressing might have been near-extinct for a while, but it so has been enjoying a revival in recent years.

                                                                              3. Paul H RE: denochow Jan 19, 2008 11:27 AM

                                                                                "Fortune cookies are almost certainly originally from Japan."


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                                                                                  wellworld RE: denochow Jan 23, 2008 10:37 AM

                                                                                  The Junior Leage of San Francisco publishes cookbooks for fundraising purposes. San Francisco Flavors, published in 1999, offers tested recipes for lots of local favorites. Here is a link to purchase the cookbook from the jlsf.org website:

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                                                                                    Bodegadawg RE: denochow Jan 30, 2008 02:52 PM

                                                                                    Has anybody else had their families so devoted to Malfatti as us?
                                                                                    The story about Malfatti is that Mrs Armanino of The Depot Hotel, in Napa was in a hurry, having a bad day,had a storm blow over the tray of ravioli that she was making i, it's not really important. what is is that she couldn't make pasta that day. Seizing initiative, she mixed the ravioli stuffing, beef parmigiano, parsley, chard, bread crumbs, with the eggs and flour, mixed it well, and made little finger sized Malfatti. Malfatti in English is badly made. She boiled them , like ravioli, and then dresed them with her famous sugo, gave a bit of parmigiano, hence Malfatti.
                                                                                    I'm making Malfatti for a family gathering next week.
                                                                                    Thanks for listening.

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                                                                                    1. re: Bodegadawg
                                                                                      Melanie Wong RE: Bodegadawg Jan 30, 2008 05:30 PM

                                                                                      You're not alone, judging from these malfatti comments,

                                                                                      1. re: Bodegadawg
                                                                                        Robert Lauriston RE: Bodegadawg Jan 31, 2008 09:51 AM

                                                                                        Italian immigrants brought recipes for malfatti with them from Italy, so I don't think that counts as a local specialty unless it's diverged significantly from the original (as cioppino has from cacciucco / ciuppin).

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                                                                                        UNCLE FUNK RE: denochow Jan 31, 2008 11:03 AM

                                                                                        IRISH COFFEE- Try the Yerba Buena Cafe, The inventors of the irish coffee 50 years old! Its all in the way the mix the cream. Next best- The Cliff House at the beach.As for Crab Louiis Salad- Try Westlake Joes, The Best dressing (NOT THAT CAN STUFF) You will leave satisfied, And Not Hungry!

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                                                                                          Robert Lauriston RE: UNCLE FUNK Jan 31, 2008 11:13 AM

                                                                                          Irish coffee was invented by Joe Sheridan at Shannon Airport in the 1940s, and the concept was brought to the Buena Vista by SF Chronicle columnist Stanton Delaplane in 1952.


                                                                                        2. steve h. RE: denochow Jan 30, 2011 06:35 PM

                                                                                          BBQ oysters are generally attributed to the Tomales Bay area.

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                                                                                            trowbridge RE: denochow Jan 31, 2011 03:36 PM

                                                                                            I believe creme brulee was invented by a chef in SF. Everyone thinks it's French and will argue with you on this.

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                                                                                            1. re: trowbridge
                                                                                              Robert Lauriston RE: trowbridge Jan 31, 2011 03:45 PM

                                                                                              The earliest known recipe appeared in a French cookbook published in 1691.


                                                                                              1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                                                                pauliface RE: Robert Lauriston Jan 31, 2011 04:08 PM

                                                                                                Yeah but I bet the Americans were the first to put Butterfingers or brownies in it.

                                                                                            2. rossheiney RE: denochow Feb 2, 2011 08:30 AM

                                                                                              Is it, or is it not true that Fior D'Italia in San Francisco's North Beach is home to America's oldest Italian restaurant? It relocated to Mason Street after a devastating fire at its original location on Washington Square that was home to the now-closed Joe Dimaggio's Italian Chophouse.

                                                                                              Fior D'Italia
                                                                                              2237 Mason St, San Francisco, CA 94133

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                                                                                              1. re: rossheiney
                                                                                                wolfe RE: rossheiney Feb 2, 2011 08:35 AM

                                                                                                It's on the internet so it must be true.

                                                                                                1. re: rossheiney
                                                                                                  Robert Lauriston RE: rossheiney Feb 2, 2011 08:52 AM

                                                                                                  Probably true that it's the oldest Italian restaurant in the US that's still in business at other than its original location. I don't think they've invented any dishes. The first Italian restaurant in SF was probably Bazzuro's.


                                                                                                  1. re: rossheiney
                                                                                                    sugartoof RE: rossheiney Feb 2, 2011 11:26 AM

                                                                                                    Fior is old, but that claim has always been suspect. It's unlikely it's even the oldest Italian place in SF, let alone the US.

                                                                                                    1. re: sugartoof
                                                                                                      ola RE: sugartoof Feb 2, 2011 11:47 AM

                                                                                                      Lupo's, now called Tomasso's, was the first brick oven pizza on the West Coast AND the site of my parents' first date.

                                                                                                      1. re: ola
                                                                                                        Robert Lauriston RE: ola Feb 2, 2011 11:58 AM

                                                                                                        Lupo's was the first pizzeria on the West Coast period.

                                                                                                      2. re: sugartoof
                                                                                                        Robert Lauriston RE: sugartoof Feb 2, 2011 11:56 AM

                                                                                                        Fior d'Italia's claim is solid enough that the oldest Italian restaurant in Philadelphia admits that it's the second-oldest in the country (by 14 years):


                                                                                                        1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                                                                          sugartoof RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 2, 2011 03:03 PM

                                                                                                          How funny. I was going to say, I don't remember Fior's claim until the 80's. 1986...which conveniently made them 100 years old that year.

                                                                                                          Geographically speaking, it's a little unlikely the first or oldest Italian food establishment was on the West Coast, though of all the operational restaurants, nobody else appears to be making the claim.

                                                                                                          1. re: sugartoof
                                                                                                            Robert Lauriston RE: sugartoof Feb 2, 2011 03:51 PM

                                                                                                            Through 1890, there were more Italian immigrants on the West Coast than in New England. There were almost certainly earlier Italian restaurants in San Francisco (some sources date Bazzuro's to 1850), they just closed long since.

                                                                                                            1. re: Robert Lauriston
                                                                                                              sugartoof RE: Robert Lauriston Feb 2, 2011 10:10 PM

                                                                                                              Ellis Island really isn't nearby.

                                                                                                              San Francisco does have some of the oldest bars in the country, including The Little Shamrock, so it's possible.

                                                                                                              1. re: sugartoof
                                                                                                                bbulkow RE: sugartoof Feb 2, 2011 10:44 PM

                                                                                                                The Little Shamrock is 46 on this list.
                                                                                                                People put up poorly researched lists of all kinds, like this one covered in ads
                                                                                                                which might leave one to believe otherwise
                                                                                                                I have no knowledge about the oldest italian restaurants.

                                                                                                                1. re: bbulkow
                                                                                                                  sugartoof RE: bbulkow Feb 3, 2011 12:42 AM

                                                                                                                  Still the 3rd oldest on the entire West Coast, right after SF's own Saloon, and Oakland's Heinhold's.

                                                                                                                2. re: sugartoof
                                                                                                                  Robert Lauriston RE: sugartoof Feb 3, 2011 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                  Prior to 1890, immigration was handled by the individual states, not the federal government. The Ellis Island immigration station didn't open until 1892.

                                                                                                                  The oldest still-extant taverns in the US predate the founding of Mission Dolores.

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                                                                                                        JackieHindenBenson RE: denochow Jul 9, 2014 09:34 PM

                                                                                                        The Hot House restaurant on the boardwalk served the most delicious and fabulous enchaladis and tamales.

                                                                                                        On weekends you waited in long lines but no one complained...we knew what was awaiting us. Would pay to get the recipe for their sauce.

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                                                                                                          Robert Lauriston RE: JackieHindenBenson Jul 10, 2014 08:48 AM


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                                                                                                            Pendolino RE: JackieHindenBenson Jul 14, 2014 05:03 PM

                                                                                                            Here you go. Instead of a check, invite a few friends over, buy some extra beers with the money, and have a good time.

                                                                                                            The Hot House Enchilada Sauce
                                                                                                            Annaliese Keller

                                                                                                            This is a similar recipe for the enchilada sauce once served at The Hot House, a San Francisco landmark in the 1940s known for great enchiladas in the Richmond Ocean Beach neighborhood.

                                                                                                            1/2 cup butter
                                                                                                            1/2 cup oil
                                                                                                            3 15 ounce cans tomato sauce
                                                                                                            1 cup flour
                                                                                                            2 tablespoons chili powder
                                                                                                            3 tablespoons cumin
                                                                                                            2 tablespoons oregano
                                                                                                            1 6 ounce can tomato paste
                                                                                                            3 tomato paste cans full of water*
                                                                                                            1 28 ounce can Las Palmas chili sauce


                                                                                                            In a large saucepan, melt butter and oil in a large saucepan over medium heat. Whisk in flour, tomato sauce, chili powder, cumin and oregano and continue stirring until mixture is smooth. Stir in tomato paste, water and chili sauce and cook until thickened.

                                                                                                            *Chicken or beef broth may also be substituted, depending on your filling.

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