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I've been wanting to try Ze Kitchen Galerie for some time but would like some comments on your experiences... what you enjoyed, is it worth visiting. We're popping over for just one night and would like something lovely and in the 6th this time.

Thanks.

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  1. hi we were there a few months ago, food was good, fish especially, however, immediately next door is les bouquinestes, imho much better than ze kitchen

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    1. re: intrepid

      I really disliked les bouquinetes when I was there last year.

      1. re: Missmoo

        i really like it a few months ago

        1. re: Missmoo

          Missmoo:
          Couldn't agree with you more. We found Les Bouquinistes to be an over priced tourist trap whose prices and cuisine are insulting to the discerning palate. This joint was all-show and no-go, with a foam happy chef who, if he could, I remain convinced, would use Wonder Bread foam on a pile of peanut butter and jelly and name it something special. Everything we tasted there, and I do mean everything, was the essence of mediocrity. Nothing was especially bad, but everything was instantly forgettable. Don't bother going. And if you do, don't say you weren't warned. Wanna know what I mean by 'all-show'? Les Bouquinistes uses Laguiole cutlery custom ordered to color match the decor. That sort of thing seems more important to them than the food. The cuisine there is to the original Guy Savoy cuisine as Emeril Lagase's sauces in jars are to his early restaurant dishes. Next!

          1. re: mmgpsych

            we went to ZK one night, LB the very next night, both were good, LB better, food at LB was better than LB cutlery lololol

            1. re: mmgpsych

              The place I liked when we were in Paris was Au Fils de Saison (I may be missing some s's) It's a small owner chef restaurant that my husband and I both enjoyed. No attitude, just good food. And while the only thing I remember about LB is the jarring pickled vegetables with the pork terrine and the very good lemon sorbet (oh and the waiter asking us to sponsor him in the states) my husband is still raving about the fois gras, the soup, the bread etc. at Au Fils.

        2. Thanks.. now | need a third opinion. :-) How do the prices compare between the two?

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          1. re: zuriga1

            we found it fairly similar les bouquinestes slightly more, but worth it imho, if you hava pet, there a great pet store next door to it

            1. re: zuriga1

              LB is 50 to 60 % higher. Take a look at the menus on the websites. Three course prix-fixe at ZKG is 35 euros. Average for 3 courses (there is no prix fixe dinner) at LB would be 55 to 60. You can do better than LB if you are willing to spend that much.

            2. Les Bouquinistes used to be a great value for excellent food. The food is still excellent but the prices are way beyond what they should be. No French customers last time we were there(2 years ago). On our last trip to Paris (3 months ago) we went to ZKG (the chef was formerly chef at LB) and it was every bit as good but prices were considerably lower, and it was full of locals. I just checked the current menu and it is completely changed from 3 months ago so I cannot recommend specific dishes, but we enjoyed everything we had.

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              1. re: rrems

                we were there in november 2007, prices were slightly higher than ZK, food was considerably better, most of the people we could hear speaking, were talking French.enjoy

              2. Thanks to all. Rrems.. I'll report back if we end up at ZKG. We have such good food now in the UK that eating in Paris isn't as important to me as it once was. This is probably my 10th visit to Paris and it's fun to explore new places.

                1. Before you chose this place please read John Whitting's review; he is a good friend of John Talbott's (ZKG's major booster) and a respected food critic. We had a great meal at Les Bouquinistes; ordered ala carte so it was pricey but not excessively. They do have an "American section" where the wait staff is fluent in English. Locals are seated near the front of the house.

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                  1. re: Oakglen

                    yes JT is, writer for Bonjour , we were also seated at front, at LB it was a great meal, and I considered it very good for the $$$ as well

                    1. re: Oakglen

                      I read John Whiting's review of ZKG before going there. The review was written 2 years before, and was the only truly negative one I found. Having dined there, I feel that review is either outdated or a lot of hogwash.

                      1. re: Oakglen

                        That just about clinches it for me. If there is an American section and locals are placed elsewhere, I will eat elsewhere. I'm an American who has lived in the UK for 4 years. I'm tired of anti-American sentiment here which is often very subtle. Seating Yanks with special wait staff is pathetic.. plus I speak French fluently and don't need their help. Aaargh.

                        1. re: zuriga1

                          i was there a few months ago ( LB) there was were no "sections", food was good, waitstaff, good friendly, place was good and friendly

                          1. re: zuriga1

                            The section allocated to "English speaking" guests is the slightly raised area to the left. By far the best seating, away from the front door and wind gusts. Good grief, lighten up! Without American tourists most of these restaurants would be out of business! And they know it! If you want mediocre food at high prices go to the UK; yuck plus 50%.

                            1. re: Oakglen

                              good post oaklglen,i agree!! yet i was seated up front by the front windows, with other friends, had a very good meal, with very good friendly service, and thoght the $$$ was fair for the food and service, I will definetly go back to LB ,a dnwould go back to ZK as well

                              1. re: Oakglen

                                I am not a heavy person. :-) And when is the last time you've eaten in London? To say it has mediocre food is not correct at all. Not surprisingly, the food scene has improved 100% in the past 10-15 years. It *is* expensive for Americans... it's the dollar that fell - not that the ££ has changed all that much.

                                1. re: zuriga1

                                  Ive not been to Les Bouquenistes, but my daughter and I very much enjoyed ZKG on a visit 18 months ago - as you know its asian fusion cuisine - I love the flavors of asian food, and fusion has always struck me as insipid, but on the evening of our visit this food was very fresh and creative, with sharp, interesting flavors, and the place a very pleasant place to dine and talk. Service was suave and welcoming for several groups of women dining together as well as mixed groups. What was most notable was the range of interesting combos for my vegetarian daughter (who commented on the varieties of green purees/foams the kitchen was capable of turning out) - as well as for an indian lady sitting next to us - they made dish after special dish for her and the kitchen did not falter (she shared samples of some items with us. Interesting as well as good food - limited wine list suited to the food.

                                  1. re: jen kalb

                                    Thanks for the input, jen. We have reservations on 13 February, and I'm sure we'll enjoy the meal.

                              2. re: zuriga1

                                Like you, zuriga, the last place I want to eat is somewhere that puts foreigners in some sort of special section. What an appalling thought.

                                If I visit France, I expect to be spoken to in French and to be able to make myself sufficiently understood in their langauge to be able to deal with the basics of a visit (directions, food, hotel). Over the years of visiting our neighbouring countries, I've now got sufficient command of French, Italian German and Spanish to at least read a menu and order food (and have a reasonable idea of what will arrive on the plate). But please dont ask me to do it in Dutch :-)

                                1. re: Harters

                                  I used to avoid being put in the tourist section by asking to go in the smoking section - it usually worked (I am a non-smoker). I wonder what it is like now they have the smoking ban?

                                  Zuriga - I don't think it is an "American Section" it is more of a tourist section, I suspect to coral all the very loud English speakers (English, Australian, Canadian etc.). The French tend to speak quite quietly and so loud voices can detract from a restaurants ambience. I think that is why I prefer the "local" section as well....!

                                  1. re: PhilD

                                    Phil, I will not miss sitting in the smoking zone! How the world is changing. As for loud English speakers, I know what you mean and sometimes wonder why exactly it works that way. But being an American, I guess my ears are used to it. Of course, my friends and I speak very softly. :-)

                                  2. re: Harters

                                    John, I guess I'm like you. Even though I spent most of my life in the States, I always liked to know what I was ordering when we travelled to Europe. I agree that Dutch is tough.. and we're going there on business again in April. Luckily, the Dutch speak very good English which is a real help. I've been polishing up my French for about 3 years, and it's fun being able to use it more often now.

                                    On my first trip to Paris, I was very jet-lagged and ordered ris de veau in raspberry sauce. I completely forgot what that was. :-) I survived.

                              3. ZKG has been one of my favorite place in Paris for a long time and i'd definitely recommend it.
                                LB... Went there once, noisy, speed service making you feel that people are waiting for your table... Don't remember anything of what I ate but I know I was quite disappointed...

                                Opposite to LB on Cité Island a new restaurant called Quai Quai has just opened. Francois Simon known for its harsh critics in Le Figaro liked it... so maybe worth a try and should be packed with locals.

                                here is the address
                                74, quai des Orfèvres 75000 Ier. Tél.:01 46 33 69 75. Ouvert du mardi au samedi, au déjeuner et au dîner.

                                Here is Francois Simon critic (video in French)
                                http://francoissimon.typepad.fr/simon...