476476 Sat Jan 05 14:41:16 -0800 2008 33 41 Cookware 0 3264738 Some time past, there was a thread about changing the china you use, depending upon the season. Hmm. I'm at the point where I can nearly change my dinnerware on a monthly basis, yet I find that I don't have anything suitable for the post-holiday period. I have a desire for some stoneware with a brown litho, like one of the Spode patterns. I need this like a need a hole in the head. What are Chowhounds - those with the dinnerware addiction - using during the bleak midwinter? Sat Jan 05 14:41:16 -0800 2008 12213 jillp 1 3264830 I can't identify with the china but I used to have the same problem with espresso cups and saucers. Sat Jan 05 15:11:44 -0800 2008 3264738 18981 Jimmy Buffet 1 3265091 I never really thought about this "issue" -- but it seems to me that if you find the mid-winter "bleak" that the last thing you need is brown dinnerware. I think this is a time to bring the color! Plus, it's a time to be less formal, after all the formal entertaining of the holiday season. I'd be inclined to experiment with mixing different patterns to create a colorful, playful atmosphere. Play with what you have! The other idea that appeals to me would be to get some really old-fashioned floral china that would create a cozy, homey atmosphere. Maybe go out to some thrift stores, auctions, etc. and pick up some vintage plates. Sat Jan 05 17:03:17 -0800 2008 3264738 10159 Ruth Lafler 1 3267934 I agree that brown Spode will be a bit depressing, unless you don't get that vibe from brown. Most of us do. How about a Valentine's theme? I just saw the cutest things in the Sur Le Table catalogue -- red and white polka dots, etc. Not china, but less formal and lots of fun. That should hold you over at least until late February. Sun Jan 06 17:38:41 -0800 2008 3264738 87837 RGC1982 1 3267960 I was just thinking about this addiction this afternoon as I made pathetic inroads into the Tibetan chest I use to store a lot of china! I've been using Alice by Gien lately - pansies, grape hyacinths and snow drops: http://www.tableideas.com/gien-alice.htm I agree with others that the brown is a bit depressing this time of year. I have a number of random pieces of Aesthetic brown transferware that I use in my kitchen to hold small utensils in etc., but I'm generally not a big fan of brown. Sun Jan 06 17:48:36 -0800 2008 3264738 10985 MMRuth 2 3268617 That's very pretty, and seasonally appropriate, I think. Sun Jan 06 22:45:43 -0800 2008 3267960 10159 Ruth Lafler 1 3269650 For some reason this time of year I gravitate to silver and white. Maybe it's a "can't beat 'em join 'em" thing with all the snow outside. I love how clean it all looks. Mon Jan 07 10:01:53 -0800 2008 3264738 85539 lupaglupa 1 3270261 my obsession is slightly different. I like everything to be all white all the time. there's something about a crisp white table. I'm the same way with sheets. White. Mon Jan 07 12:19:24 -0800 2008 3264738 12724 eLizard 2 3272660 Ditto on the white dinnerware. I gave up color years save the blue and white Spode I have that I never use! As for recommendations, how about Fiestaware? I know a few colors are on clearance now and it is durable china that is elegant and functional. Tue Jan 08 02:29:56 -0800 2008 3270261 138259 gabby29 1 3287633 I love china! Years ago I worked close to a department store which was the chains outlet for odds & ends of fine china. I checked it frequently during my lunch breaks & collected some wonderful pieces. Now I end up driving by Replacements several times a year & always stop to torture myself. (If you ever are near Replacements, stop in for their free tour. The inventory space is mind boggling and the museum section is very interesting.) Being able to select the plate or bowl to match my mood or morsel just adds extra joy for me. My dream is a vintage Craftsman home with a real butlers pantry off the dining room & the chance to fill it up with lovely patterns! A roomy kitchen would be included too... Sat Jan 12 01:13:49 -0800 2008 3264738 111267 meatn3 2 3306714 OMG I feel the exact same way about the butler's pantry. It will happen for you. Thu Jan 17 18:30:44 -0800 2008 3287633 158396 foreverspode 2 3307515 Wanna know a secret? You NEVER have enough cabinet space. I now have a kitchen with a 14 foot wall of floor to ceiling cabinets plus over and under counter cabinets for a total of thirty two(!) kitchen cupboards plus drawers and they're all stuffed to the brim full! <sigh> I am not a pack rat... I am *not* a pack rat... I am *NOT* a pack rat! Well, I guess I could get rid of a little bit, but not a lot! Fri Jan 18 05:20:28 -0800 2008 3287633 112096 Caroline1 1 3307509 China is an addiction! But for me, sanity pushed its way through when I began running out of room! I'm not one to crawl up into the attic for one more salad plate because I mis-counted the first time. Sooo... I have now pared my way down to about four china patterns (if I don't scrutinize too closely) and I have one pattern that I've been using every day since my son was born. (He just turned forty.) That pattern is "Blue Danube". You can look it over here: http://www.bluedanube-direct.com/index.html The thing I love about it is the vast variety of pieces available. More than any other china pattern currently in production. Individual au gratin dishes, demitasse service, rice bowls, footed/lidded cream soup bowls, cereal bowls, soup plates, bone dishes... You name it and chances are they make it. When I chose this pattern, I debated a long time on whether to go with it or the Meisen "Blue Onion". They're fairly similar, and back then they were not that far apart in price. It was the vast variety of Blue Danube that won me over. And considering the price difference between it and Meisen today, I'm sooooo glad I did! The Meisen would no longer be "everyday" china! Blue Danube is true porcelain. The webpage I list above is in Aurstalia, they ship globally, and with their non-upgrade shipping charges they still beat any U.S. prices I've found except for deeply discounted occasional specials. And for the record, I replaced plain white porcelain with the Blue Danube. One night I fixed filet of sole muniere with parslied potatoes and califlower au gratin. What a pale ugly plate! I had to switch to another china pattern. Even garnishes didn't cheer up the white porcelain in my opinion. Not my cup of tea. Fri Jan 18 05:12:56 -0800 2008 3264738 112096 Caroline1 2 3315941 I've been thinking about this most of the day and finally ended up laughing at myself. I don't think I've really broken my china addiction. I've just sublimated it with a pattern that that offers about a gazillion different place and serving pieces! LOL! Sun Jan 20 23:22:01 -0800 2008 3307509 112096 Caroline1 2 3317610 Caroline, I hope you didn't mean that you discarded the white porcelain! I'm not sure how anyone lives without good quality white as a backbone for mixing and matching or as fallback when the other pattern/s just don't quite look right. As I read through these posts, I thought how overwhelming, even discouraging, they might seem to younger people just starting out, wondering how they will ever acquire the things they'd love to have, or to those who don't have the storage space for extensive collections of tableware. Some of us have far more than we need and the first thing they need to remember is that we have been collecting for decades!!! Some of us were fortunate enough to have gotten some of our things as wedding gifts when it was traditional to give fine things as gifts rather than pots and appliances. Lesson: if you're getting married, ask for china and silver, because you'll still be using them in forty years, long after the pots have gone to charity. Make sure you get them in the divorce. We have storage space now that we didn't when we lived in our first apartments but we didn't have this much stuff either. Lesson: Good stuff takes up no more room than cheap crap. Buy only top quality things now to start your collection. What you buy now might not be your finest china one day, but it will always be good quality. If you aren't sure of your taste or how your life will flow, buy good white porcelain in an open stock pattern. Both Sur La Table and Williams Sonoma stock classics from Apilco, Pilluvuyt and Revol, companies that have been making top quality tableware and serving pieces for close to 200 years. You will always be able to buy an extra plate or two when you have a few extra dollars. It's durable enough to use for everyday and elegant enough that it's used in four-star restaurants and fine homes. You can mix it with other fine china, cheap thrills from Pier 1, or garage sale finds. I've got pieces that I've had for decades, give pieces regularly to my daughters as gifts, and I'll add more this month while it's on sale at SLT. Then one day, you can indulge your fancy and have all the china you want like Caroline or Candy or me or all the others of us who would start a 12-step program except that we don't want to quit. Mon Jan 21 13:18:00 -0800 2008 3307509 32444 MakingSense 3 3317678 Excellent advice. jillp and I both have plain white bone china in our collections. Hers is Wedgwood and mine is Doulton. They are almost identical and it is nice that we both have 12's and can borrow from each other when we need a few extra. I'd never give up my white. Mon Jan 21 13:37:16 -0800 2008 3317610 10285 Candy 3 3318085 I didn't "throw away" the white china, but I did give it away. '-) Well, I did keep a couple of pieces, most expressly the coffee service. A gorgeous "contemporary" cylinder that was very "mid-twentieth century modern" in flavor Oh wait! It WAS mid-twnetieth century modern! How could I forget that part? Your remarks are great encouragement to younger people just starting out. But the wonderful thing about today is that there are so very many inexpensive sets of dishes available, and as you so rightly point out, it can take a few years to figure out your "style." At times I have to wonder how many fine china patterns that are entered in a bride's registry today are the same patterns those brides will be using fifteen or twenty years down the road? Tastes change. I do have a small "collection" of a piece or two (I try to keep at least one cup and saucer) from every set of dishes I've ever had. Well, almost "every." Now and then I really enjoy a cup of tea in them. The Bavarian china I had in the late fifties is so sheer, it makes a cup of tea a joy. Two patterns of that, actually. But I don't think I'd enjoy a table full of either pattern today. Then there is the pink Longchamp ironstone from France, with the white "Eszterhaas" decoration that looks like the top of a Napoleon. God, I loved that pattern when I was in my early twenties, but today I'm so grateful the only piece I have left is a serving platter! Won't even mention the china service my maternal grandparents bought when they made a trip back to England when I was around 12, then put away and gave it to me as a wedding present. Left it with a girlfriend to send to me because I didn't want to risk the movers breaking it. She packed a cast iron skillet I had forgotten on top and turned it all into shards! Not one piece survived. I do still like my service for 12 "Versailles" pattern by Sango. Discontinuted, but still available through replacements.com. Bought it on the fly one Christmas when I realized I had 12 guests coming for dinner with an 8 place setting set of china. Didn't like that pattern (the white) well enough to go for four more place settings. Then I have a real love/hate relationship with the Cathy-Hardwick-for-Mikasa "Persian Red" bone china, also service for 12. Nice wide red band with narrow gold framing bands that really makes a holiday table pop, BUT!!! You MUST wear gloves when setting it out because the red picks up finger prints like an FBI forensics trainee gone wild! Don't know why it does that, but it's a real pain. I have to plan a menu so no one passes their plate to the carver, or it comes back looking like an FBI file. I do have a bunch of Wedgwood Jasper ware. Tea service and other pieces, including cigarette lighters and ashtrays from way back when "everybody" (including me) smoked. I initially started out with the intent of doing a dinner service with it in the early 60s, but lost interest, and I'm kind of glad I did. A table full of blue Jasper would just look too weird without full sterling service, including vermeilled salad forks. Hate to polish silver!. Used to have an English girlfriend who refused to drink tea out of it. Said touching the bisque finish gave her the heebie jeebies. Then a few heirlooms. One is a very elegant (in a minimalist sort of way) art deco tea set my grangmother brought from England. No company name on the bottom. Only "Hand painted bone china" and what is probably a pattern number hand painted in gold. Antiques Road Show is coming to Dallas, and I keep wondering if I'm curious enough about finding anything out about it to bother carting it down. Probably not. I love it because it was my grandmother's. It would be devestaing to find out it's worth thousands! Then there is a really lovely and very elegant Sango tea service with dessert plates that my Navy father bought for my mother at the Sango factory in Japan, when it was first starting up again only months after the end of World War II. Completely hand painted, and it turns a cup of tea into a sensuous pleasure! The white porcelain coffee pot was eventually broken, so I no longer have any remnants from that china service. But I can't say that bothers me much. It's still open stock. But as I said in another post, I do seem to sublimate my desire for china collecting with the Blue Danube. Five different kinds of coffee cups, from mugs to Viennese to Turkish. Jam pots, egg cups, soup tureens, covered veggie, tea pots, coffee servers. When my kids were around 11 and 12, I overheard them arguing one morning about who would get it when I die. LOL! I didn't know they even noticed they weren't eating off paper plates! Things you learn by eavesdropping. I think the great advantage of being young today, and maybe not having the money to invest in "good" china is that it pushes you to use your imagination. Lots of fun stuff out there that you can buy service for four, eight, 16 or even 24 for the price of one "good" china place setting! Sometimes I walk through WalMart and see stacks of glass dishes in cobalt blue or clear glass and wish I had room for a dozen or so. Bought about a dozen a couple of Christmases ago and used them as gifts... With elegantly decorated chocolate cakes on them. Gained a few pounds licking the bowls that year! Mon Jan 21 15:33:18 -0800 2008 3317610 112096 Caroline1 1 3308211 I went on a tour of the Brown Mansion in Coffeyville, Kansas 10 years ago. Mrs. Brown had so many china patterns, she recorded which ones were served at each party and never served on the same one again to the same guests. This is my dream. Sadly, after her death, the mansion was looted. I use my cream with platinum edging china - but go for a bright tablecloth or decor. Julep cups, things to dress it up a bit. Fri Jan 18 08:55:50 -0800 2008 3264738 88683 stellamystar 1 3309901 Well, everybody in the family knows I am quite obsessed with china! And unlike some of you, I change it not according to a season, but rather for a specific use or a number of people I will serve. I have a 12, 8 and 6 persons sets. 2 with soup terrines and soup bowls, 1 with a gravy boat and a large platter (great for a turkey), 1 with a big salad bowl, 1 for asian dishes, 3 with dessert plates and tea/coffe pots and cups, 2 for a small gathering with only a couple of serving dishes. So, after coming up with a menu and the number of people, I decide which set fits the best (so I don't ever have to borrow pieces from other sets). Most of these pieces I brought from Europe in my carry on! (Rosenthal, Cmielow, Royal Daulton, Portmeirion and my grandmother's very old Bavaria). In the US I bought Lenox and a japanese set of dishes. My husband gives me dirty looks every time he sees me around a store that sells china..... Fri Jan 18 15:12:33 -0800 2008 3264738 147538 polish_girl 1 3311693 Christmas Tree Spode went into hibernation New Year's Day. Now it is time for the old Syracuse ware Lake Placid Club dishes until it is time for the Worcester Evesham. But of course you know that being a frequent visitor. Sat Jan 19 10:06:22 -0800 2008 3264738 10285 Candy 1 3313871 It seems that I can never have enough china as well. There are so many beautiful patterns out there. Many years ago, I took the advice of cookbook author Jane Freiman that it makes the most sense to collect dinner plates. They are easiest to stack and store and make the most impact. So I mix in my crystal or glass soup and salad plates and white or celadon cups and saucers. First courses and desserts are generally much nicer served on a dinner plate as well. This has worked really well for me, particularly in my tiny New York City apartment. Sun Jan 20 08:23:11 -0800 2008 3264738 23506 btnfood 2 3313923 By make the most impact - I'm curious - are you storing stacks of plates "on view" so to speak? Trying to get a visual as it sounds interesting and, well, not only do I have my ridiculous collections of china that I use, I have the antique plates that I collect for, well, collection purposes (not enough in the same sizes etc. to really use). And I agree that first course and dessert look better with a dinner place underneath as well - if that is what you mean. And - glad this thread got revived b/c I'm going to go dig out some other china to use for dinner tonight, which I probably woudn't have done otherwise. Sun Jan 20 08:42:03 -0800 2008 3313871 10985 MMRuth 3 3314069 At last count I have 11 sets of china, I cannot begin t tell you how much stemware, and am into my 3rd. set of sterling. The stuff is stashed everywhere. Luckily my DH "gets it" and indulges my desire to collect. I'd like to get a china cupboard where i can have some on view to change with seasons too. Right now most of it, except what i am using is closeted away. Oh darn, just like at the store, I just spotted another piece of Christmas that needs to be put away! Sun Jan 20 09:34:14 -0800 2008 3313923 10285 Candy 3 3319406 What I meant was that I prefer serving first courses and desserts, at least for more formal dinners where I care about presentation, on the larger dinner plates. There is a lot more "canvas" on which to create a nice presentation - that and the decorative border are what give the "impact". Then the dinner plate becomes much more versatile, so I feel less guilty about adding another stack :). Makes me feel less insane knowing that there are so many chowhounds that share this dinnerware obsession. Tue Jan 22 00:07:41 -0800 2008 3313923 23506 btnfood 1 3314145 12 place settings each plus serving pieces of: Lennox/Tuxedo, Noritake/Shenandoah, Stangl/Fruit & Flowers, Mary Alice Hadley/Bouquet, Johnson Bros./Blue Willow with antique pieces thrown in, Johnson Bros./Regency, Plus a brown and green pottery mother called Country Fair - But I find no reference for it on line. That's it....no more....I'm done collecting..... Sun Jan 20 09:59:17 -0800 2008 3264738 75332 Gio 2 3314210 Is this the "Country Fair" you're talking about? http://tinyurl.com/2x7h8h Sun Jan 20 10:25:31 -0800 2008 3314145 112096 Caroline1 3 3314234 It isn't that Caroline... but thank you for the link. That was very nice of you! The pottery I have is hand thrown, "heathery" muted green with a brown edge, really not a border. Mother purchased it in Boston in the 40's/50s. While it's rustic, it's perfect for use out of doors in the summer. She may have the wrong name. There are a few pieces which have a small bouquet of yellow flowers on the front. Huge coffee cups, mugs, simple bowls, 3 plate sizes, fab serving pieces....it's quite a collection. I've added some pieces over the years from flea markets and antique stores but have not seen it recently anywhere. I'd love to know the origin. Sun Jan 20 10:33:55 -0800 2008 3314210 75332 Gio 4 3314402 There are so many patterns from those decades that just aren't easy to come by, if at all. Good luck on finding the pieces you want. You just never know when you're going to stumble across things like that. Sun Jan 20 11:46:00 -0800 2008 3314234 112096 Caroline1 1 3315034 Like I mentioned before, I like white, and my "pattern" is urania and arcadia from KPM. Does anyone know of a reputable dealer in the states?? Sun Jan 20 16:01:51 -0800 2008 3264738 12724 eLizard 1 3315260 Well, *iI Afraid I can't help as I'm too busy dealing with my cookware addiction...LOL! It's nice to have another addiction to look forward to acquiring ;-). Sun Jan 20 17:34:49 -0800 2008 3264738 63331 blondelle 1 3318037 My weakness is quirky pottery pieces from the 60s and 70s, especially from some English potteries. Also love Italian pottery from Deruta. Luckily I have only gotten a mug, bowl or creamer here and there, since I live in a tiny apartment right now. Someday, though, I hope to have a few sets of pottery or china, plus make my own set! It sure is an addiction. Nice to know there are other Chowhounders who love "crockery". :-) Mon Jan 21 15:16:37 -0800 2008 3264738 117621 poptart 2 3318416 I have a few pieces of Deruta, poptart, inherited from my mother.. I marvel at the colors, designs, and skill. When watching Mario on his reincarnated Molto Show on one of the cable networks... I drool...not at his food but at the Deruta. Mon Jan 21 17:11:28 -0800 2008 3318037 75332 Gio 3 3319796 Gio, I also drool when Lidia dishes up her food on Deruta plates :-). THank you, MakingSense, for the encouraging words. They came on a good day for me to hear them. How exciting to design your own plates to be made in Deruta. That must have been an experience you remember everytime you enjoy your plates. There is a shop here in Boston which sells beautiful pieces from Deruta. So much fun to look at what they have there. Tue Jan 22 06:49:07 -0800 2008 3318416 117621 poptart 2 3319238 You can have what you love, poptart. Save your money and spend it on what you really dream of. A number of years ago, I wanted a set of Deruta dinner plates soooo much. I was traveling it Italy and went to the oldest factory there and persuaded them to let me work with one of their designers on my own set. We combined different plate shapes, borders and grounds so that each of the 12 plates is different but coordinated, all in the same colors. It took them almost six months to complete and ship the order but Oh! how we have enjoyed those plates. It's the only set of its kind. I had saved money here and there so that I had it set aside to buy just what I wanted when I went and I have never regretted it for a minute. My younger daughter was traveling with me for part of that summer and she covets that set, so she gets it when I break up housekeeping or die. Mon Jan 21 21:53:56 -0800 2008 3318037 32444 MakingSense