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Do any commercial bakers know what "mineral yeast food" is?

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  • Dylan Jan 3, 2008 09:33 AM

A number of commercial bread recipes call for "mineral yeast food." It appears to help with a better bread rise. A google search doesn't turn up much information on what this is, where one would get it, or what difference it might make to bread. Here's an example of a commercial recipe calling for "mineral yeast food":

http://www.maltproducts.com/news.hear...

Are there any commercial bakers out there who know what it is, where to get it, and what substitutes might be effective? I'd certainly prefer to use natural things if possible, but I'm not beholden to them.

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  1. "Mineral yeast food was developed to stabilize water by adding mineral salts, which are essential in dough fermentation and conditioning. Mineral salts condition soft water, and acid salts neutralize the alkalinity of alkaline water which is harmful to yeast and gluten. Doughs made with mineral yeast foods are not sticky and are very soft. They go through machines with less trouble and will mold up free of air pockets. Following are some of the improved loaf characteristics resulting from the use of mineral yeast foods: Greater loaf volume and oven spring, improved texture and crumb color, better crust color, and greater uniformity."

    From, http://www.bakingandbakingscience.com/

    It sounds like it would harder water by removing the minerals that are taken out when water is processed by municipalities. You might try baking with commercial mineral waters. I know the NYC is famous for their city water, and may believe that this is the reason that bagels and pizza baked in NYC are so good.


    King Arthur sells Diastatic Malt Powder
    Item # 3413

    Ascorbic Acid (vit C.) is a commonly used yeast food, but most bread flours already have it added. King Arthur sells it if you want to add more. Item # 2290

    9 Replies
    1. re: Kelli2006

      It's interesting that I've seen recipes that have mineral yeast food in addition to the malt powder and the ascorbic acid! I'd still be curious if anyone knows where to buy actual mineral yeast food...

      1. re: Dylan

        Watson Inc sells MYF for commercial bakeries. You might try contacting them. 1.800.288.3481
        info@watson-inc.com

        King Arthur baking might be able to get it for you.

        1. re: Kelli2006

          Thanks, great lead! This is all in pursuit of the perfect hamburger bun, by the way. I found a recipe in a commercial book and plan to try it.

          1. re: Dylan

            I can tell you only that it is completely unneccesary. Ask any good baker if they use it in anything and I feel confident the answer will be no.

            1. re: LeroyT

              No doubt for something that tastes real. I'm after semi-processed, not rustic in this case.

              1. re: Dylan

                Next baker's will be striving to recreate Twinkies or Swiss Rolls exactly. Could be the next culinary trend! The "anti-homemade" trend. I like it!!

                1. re: scuzzo

                  Been there, done that:

                  http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2...

                  http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2...

                  http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2...

                  http://www.kingarthurflour.com/blog/2...

                2. re: Dylan

                  I baked professionally for a few years in college and after, so unless you are trying to recreate the taste and texture of Wonder bread. these additives are unnecessary.

                  A good burger roll is made from milk, butter and a medium strength flour.

        2. re: Kelli2006

          Having lived in NYC for 6 years and just outside NYC for the rest of my life, I pretty firmly believe that the whole NYC water thing is a myth. At least, presently it is. Maybe years ago, NYC water contributed something extra to pizza and bagels, but, right now, NYC water is pretty much the same hard chlorinated water you get in the tri state area and that's anything BUT ideal for bread (chlorine is bad for yeast). The reason why NY bagels and pizza are so good isn't the water, it's the knowledge and equipment behind the processes. Once you leave the tri state area, people don't understand bagels and pizza (and Indian food and, to an extent, Chinese food). They don't use the right flour, the right cheese, the right ovens. They mess with the sauce and adds herbs that don't belong and omit herbs that do. Outside of the tri state area, you say the term 'water bagel,' and you get blank stares.

          That's why the tri state aread rules the culinary roast for pizza and bagels (and Indian and Chinese food). Because they understand them.

        3. Yeast Food is used in larger production facilities when they have a sponge and dough set up. Most small time bakers will not understand this. I am not 100% sure about exactly what it dose but it has something to do with the ph levels of the water. Below is a data sheet from Saf Yeast. I hope it is informative

          http://lesaffreyeastcorp.com/userimag...