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Batali vs Oliver

I might actually watch this Iron Chef.

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  1. When is this?!? That might be worthwhile.

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    1. re: hungry_pangolin

      next sunday at 10pm. for as much as food network suchs these days, i am happy that jamie oliver is back in the mix. i enjoy him

    2. I'm so looking forward to it! Wonder what the secret ingredient will be.

      1. My money's on the big guy, but that sure sounds like fun. Color me there.

        1. Isn't this kind of like watching the Patriots vs. the Jets?

          1. For those Canadians who want to watch that show will be on Jan 20 Food Network Canada.

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            1. re: starlady

              this means I will have to avoid spoilers on here for about a week

              1. right on! thanks for the heads-up.

                btw, is it just me, or did alton seem really "off" on tonight's symon v. rubino battle?

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                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                  He was uncharacteristically subdued. Perhaps some personal issues going on, a death in the family, who knows. I guess the thing is to see how he is in the Batali/Oliver battle this next weekend.

                  1. re: cmvan

                    subdued is the perfect adjective. i'm glad someone else noticed.

                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                      Maybe he got a memo to tone down the use of "gosh darn it" and took it personal.

                      Just kidding Alton! I like the guy (and his commentary & knowledge of the ingredients) a LOT!

                2. Here are the various air times:

                  January 06, 2008 10:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 07, 2008 1:00 AM ET/PT
                  January 10, 2008 9:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 11, 2008 12:00 AM ET/PT
                  January 12, 2008 5:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 12, 2008 11:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 13, 2008 2:00 AM ET/PT

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                  1. re: Gio

                    DARN! I really wanted to watch it on the 8th or the 9th. ;)

                    1. re: LabRat

                      Very funny LR. I don't believe a word of it.....LOL

                  2. I predict Batali will win and the ingredient will be tomato

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                    1. re: stellamystar

                      Oliver with Jerusalem Artichokes.........{;>)

                      1. re: ChefJune

                        Wouldn't it be interesting if the secret ingredient were "pasta" with those two?

                    2. Batali always wins, no? Jamie will have to do a lot of charming the judges. For his sake, hope it's Cady Huffman, Katie Lee Joel, and Ted Allen.

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                        1. re: pescatarian

                          i think SI will be a protien. i would love for it to be a mixture of different Offal parts

                          1. re: cdog

                            That would be brilliant to watch...and maybe get ideas from... But I suspect offal would favour Batali, as it's a specialty in Lazio, no?

                        2. re: julietg

                          Batali has the highest win:loss ration of any Iron Chef (excluding Symon, who is too new to really consider) but he has lost 4 battles:


                          Just noticed that Morimoto has lost more battles than he has won. Interesting...

                          1. re: Morton the Mousse

                            What's Morimoto's original IC record? Wasn't he sort of an enfant terrible in the Japanese show?

                            1. re: julietg

                              He was 16-7-1 on the original show.

                              1. re: LabRat

                                Weird that he doesn't translate.

                                Oh wait, that's right. They do the translation for him and overdub a la Kung Fu movies ;)

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                                  I think that his food doesn't translate because the Japanese palate (for both populist and judges) is so different from the American one. IMHO.

                          2. re: julietg

                            Besh beat Batali, but that's the only one I've seen
                            I think the tender young protein that is Jamie Oliver will himself be the secret ingredient...

                            1. re: pitu

                              Well thats' certainly a new approach to viewing the show.

                          3. For the first time with Iron Chef, I'm wondering if the "fix" might be in, what with Oliver's show starting up on FN and Batali apparently being demphasized on FN.

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                            1. re: Chimayo Joe

                              Oooohhh... hadn't considered that! I mean, I never considered IC a fair, honest competition, but what you suggest is a darker, darthvaderish narrative arc that is utterly convincing. Have Batali leave in disgrace. As Miss Marple might observe, "How clever. How wicked."

                              1. re: Chimayo Joe

                                I think this new "FN Generation" they are marketing probably arent' as familiar w/ Jamie Oliver. He wasn't on FN for the last 4 years or so - unless very late or at odd times. So, this is probably their way of bringing him into the "FN Fold."

                                I cannot wait.

                                1. re: stellamystar

                                  That might be true, but he's been on Food Network Canada consistently for several years.

                                  1. re: pescatarian

                                    Thanks goodness for Canada!!!
                                    I love that guy! (JO)

                              2. It sounded to me from the promors that this is a repeat of "epic" battles or something along those lines and is specifically to help refresh peoples' memories about Oliver before his new show starts up.

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                                  Both looked great but I honestly would have chosen Oliver over Batali. Mario's dishes all seemed to be a variation of the same thing over and over or seemed to be a bite of fish hiding amongst something else. e.g. That involutini got hidden between the chickpea fritters and the squash blossom.

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                                  1. re: Cat Chow

                                    so much for avoiding spoilers for us Canadians where it hasn't aired yet!

                                      1. re: pescatarian

                                        watch it anyway...i knew the outcome beforehand, and the knowledge didn't ruin it for me.

                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                          I will watch it anyways, but of course it changes the experience. Luckily I like both enough to watch just for the sake of watching. Normally this kind of information is started in a new thread that says "Spoiler Alert", or at least it should be!

                                    1. I didn't really get into it due to my unfamiliarity with the secret ingredient. Oliver said he'd never cooked it either - so I don't feel completely in the dark! On the one hand I can appreciate the show for introducing the masses to new things while also testing a chef's improv skills. On the flip side, the more esoteric the dish, the less involved are the avg. viewers. Does that make sense? I had absolutley no clue as to how to best cook the theme, so I couldn't appreciate their solutions.

                                      Given their backgrounds and helpers, it would have been more interesting to me to see them battle with lamb, poultry, pasta or even a veg.