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Batali vs Oliver

Withnail42 Dec 31, 2007 05:33 AM

I might actually watch this Iron Chef.

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    hungry_pangolin Dec 31, 2007 06:45 AM

    When is this?!? That might be worthwhile.

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      cdog Dec 31, 2007 06:49 AM

      next sunday at 10pm. for as much as food network suchs these days, i am happy that jamie oliver is back in the mix. i enjoy him

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        pescatarian Jan 2, 2008 06:20 PM

        lol, ya I enjoy him too

    2. NYCkaren Dec 31, 2007 08:50 AM

      I'm so looking forward to it! Wonder what the secret ingredient will be.

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        Pete Oldtown Dec 31, 2007 11:13 AM

        My money's on the big guy, but that sure sounds like fun. Color me there.

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          bnemes3343 Dec 31, 2007 11:19 AM

          Isn't this kind of like watching the Patriots vs. the Jets?

          1. starlady Dec 31, 2007 04:45 PM

            For those Canadians who want to watch that show will be on Jan 20 Food Network Canada.

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              pescatarian Jan 2, 2008 06:21 PM

              this means I will have to avoid spoilers on here for about a week

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                sailrox Jan 6, 2008 04:28 PM

                Thank you!!

              2. goodhealthgourmet Jan 2, 2008 12:04 AM

                right on! thanks for the heads-up.

                btw, is it just me, or did alton seem really "off" on tonight's symon v. rubino battle?

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                  cmvan Jan 2, 2008 07:11 AM

                  He was uncharacteristically subdued. Perhaps some personal issues going on, a death in the family, who knows. I guess the thing is to see how he is in the Batali/Oliver battle this next weekend.

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                    goodhealthgourmet Jan 2, 2008 11:04 AM

                    subdued is the perfect adjective. i'm glad someone else noticed.

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                      Ralphie_in_Boston Jan 2, 2008 11:06 AM

                      Maybe he got a memo to tone down the use of "gosh darn it" and took it personal.

                      Just kidding Alton! I like the guy (and his commentary & knowledge of the ingredients) a LOT!

                2. Gio Jan 2, 2008 04:33 AM

                  Here are the various air times:

                  January 06, 2008 10:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 07, 2008 1:00 AM ET/PT
                  January 10, 2008 9:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 11, 2008 12:00 AM ET/PT
                  January 12, 2008 5:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 12, 2008 11:00 PM ET/PT
                  January 13, 2008 2:00 AM ET/PT

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                    LabRat Jan 2, 2008 10:48 AM

                    DARN! I really wanted to watch it on the 8th or the 9th. ;)

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                      Gio Jan 2, 2008 05:10 PM

                      Very funny LR. I don't believe a word of it.....LOL

                  2. stellamystar Jan 2, 2008 07:39 PM

                    I predict Batali will win and the ingredient will be tomato

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                      ChefJune Jan 3, 2008 09:10 AM

                      Oliver with Jerusalem Artichokes.........{;>)

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                        pescatarian Jan 3, 2008 09:23 AM

                        Wouldn't it be interesting if the secret ingredient were "pasta" with those two?

                    2. julietg Jan 3, 2008 09:13 AM

                      Batali always wins, no? Jamie will have to do a lot of charming the judges. For his sake, hope it's Cady Huffman, Katie Lee Joel, and Ted Allen.

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                        pescatarian Jan 3, 2008 09:23 AM


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                          cdog Jan 3, 2008 10:05 AM

                          i think SI will be a protien. i would love for it to be a mixture of different Offal parts

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                            morrigan Jan 5, 2008 05:36 AM

                            That would be brilliant to watch...and maybe get ideas from... But I suspect offal would favour Batali, as it's a specialty in Lazio, no?

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                          Morton the Mousse Jan 3, 2008 04:07 PM

                          Batali has the highest win:loss ration of any Iron Chef (excluding Symon, who is too new to really consider) but he has lost 4 battles:


                          Just noticed that Morimoto has lost more battles than he has won. Interesting...

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                            julietg Jan 4, 2008 05:34 AM

                            What's Morimoto's original IC record? Wasn't he sort of an enfant terrible in the Japanese show?

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                              LabRat Jan 4, 2008 06:32 AM

                              He was 16-7-1 on the original show.

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                                julietg Jan 4, 2008 10:16 AM

                                Weird that he doesn't translate.

                                Oh wait, that's right. They do the translation for him and overdub a la Kung Fu movies ;)

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                                  Claudette Jan 6, 2008 04:25 PM


                                  I think that his food doesn't translate because the Japanese palate (for both populist and judges) is so different from the American one. IMHO.

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                            pitu Jan 6, 2008 10:45 AM

                            Besh beat Batali, but that's the only one I've seen
                            I think the tender young protein that is Jamie Oliver will himself be the secret ingredient...

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                              Withnail42 Jan 6, 2008 12:26 PM

                              Well thats' certainly a new approach to viewing the show.

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                            Chimayo Joe Jan 3, 2008 12:18 PM

                            For the first time with Iron Chef, I'm wondering if the "fix" might be in, what with Oliver's show starting up on FN and Batali apparently being demphasized on FN.

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                              hungry_pangolin Jan 3, 2008 04:39 PM

                              Oooohhh... hadn't considered that! I mean, I never considered IC a fair, honest competition, but what you suggest is a darker, darthvaderish narrative arc that is utterly convincing. Have Batali leave in disgrace. As Miss Marple might observe, "How clever. How wicked."

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                                stellamystar Jan 4, 2008 08:59 AM

                                I think this new "FN Generation" they are marketing probably arent' as familiar w/ Jamie Oliver. He wasn't on FN for the last 4 years or so - unless very late or at odd times. So, this is probably their way of bringing him into the "FN Fold."

                                I cannot wait.

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                                  pescatarian Jan 4, 2008 09:00 AM

                                  That might be true, but he's been on Food Network Canada consistently for several years.

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                                    starlady Jan 4, 2008 04:42 PM

                                    Thanks goodness for Canada!!!
                                    I love that guy! (JO)

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                                emery_jc Jan 6, 2008 09:58 AM

                                It sounded to me from the promors that this is a repeat of "epic" battles or something along those lines and is specifically to help refresh peoples' memories about Oliver before his new show starts up.

                                1. Cat Chow Jan 7, 2008 09:00 AM


                                  Both looked great but I honestly would have chosen Oliver over Batali. Mario's dishes all seemed to be a variation of the same thing over and over or seemed to be a bite of fish hiding amongst something else. e.g. That involutini got hidden between the chickpea fritters and the squash blossom.

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                                    pescatarian Jan 7, 2008 09:27 AM

                                    so much for avoiding spoilers for us Canadians where it hasn't aired yet!

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                                      Cat Chow Jan 7, 2008 09:33 AM

                                      MY BAD!!! Sorry I'll add it

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                                        goodhealthgourmet Jan 7, 2008 09:40 AM

                                        watch it anyway...i knew the outcome beforehand, and the knowledge didn't ruin it for me.

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                                          pescatarian Jan 7, 2008 09:42 AM

                                          I will watch it anyways, but of course it changes the experience. Luckily I like both enough to watch just for the sake of watching. Normally this kind of information is started in a new thread that says "Spoiler Alert", or at least it should be!

                                    2. tastyjon Jan 7, 2008 11:01 PM

                                      I didn't really get into it due to my unfamiliarity with the secret ingredient. Oliver said he'd never cooked it either - so I don't feel completely in the dark! On the one hand I can appreciate the show for introducing the masses to new things while also testing a chef's improv skills. On the flip side, the more esoteric the dish, the less involved are the avg. viewers. Does that make sense? I had absolutley no clue as to how to best cook the theme, so I couldn't appreciate their solutions.

                                      Given their backgrounds and helpers, it would have been more interesting to me to see them battle with lamb, poultry, pasta or even a veg.

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